Can we just talk about how sponge out of water was advertised as this big grand 3D movie, when in truth it was more like the last 20 minutes?

"2D animation became the scapegoat for bad storytelling" That just broke my fucking heart...

"2D animation became the scapegoat for bad storytelling" PREACH

I think another reason that Disney 2d animation slumped in the early 2000s is due to reeeeally bad marketing practices. Atlantis The Lost Empire came out the same year as Shrek yet it was barely pushed at all (save for the obligatory toys in Kids meals). Heck, Disney themselves pushed Pixar's Monster's Inc more than Atlantis, showing how little faith they had in it (yet they went through all the trouble of creating a new freaking language for Atlantis) And YET, the following year we had Lilo and Stitch and Treasure Planet. And how many of us remember those commercials where Stitch interupts OTHER Disney films? How much Stitch merchandise is there on toy shelves and in the parks, not to mention having its own attraction at the theme park? In the animation department, Lilo and Stitch was only beaten by Ice Age that year, yet ppl seriously thought that 2D was dying because Treasure Planet didn't do very well? Fun fact: Treasure Planet came out the week after the 2nd Harry Potter film, a franchise that Disney TURNED DOWN.

The worst offender has to be the Hey Arnold! movie : A made-for-TV movie released in cinema that bombed and caused the studio to end the show without the planned actual movie finale.

The Powerpuff Girls Movie is still probably one of the most underrated films of it's time. It's one of the best film adaptations of a show and one of my favorite animated movies.

I think one thing worth noting here is how the Disney direct-to-video ‘cheapquels’, from mid-90s and 00s, also played a huge contribution of killing off 2D for Disney and made the entire medium seem less serious for the public eye.

The SpongeBob movie is now shown on Nick. Cartoon Network puts Shrek on too. What a time to be alive.

Great video man. People who think Pixar killed traditional animation don't realize how integral it still is to Pixar's production process. I do hope for a return to 2D animation. As you said, now would be a great time since people are so nostalgic for their childhood films

I don't get why the live action Disney remakes are so popular. Like Pan says, good animation is astonishing while good CG is standard. Why not just watch the beautiful animated films Disney already made instead of remakes. Also, what makes Disney's remakes so good but when someone else makes a one it's "oh, another remake? Make something new, shit heads"?

"Nobody asked for a CG Winnie the Pooh movie." And then they made a live action adaptation, have it centered around Christopher Robin growing up and be a coming of age story, which did surprisingly okay. It was certainly better than those live action remakes we got this year! It's only a matter of time before people will get sick of them and hopefully stop putting money into seeing them, because it's getting ridiculous at this point.

Judi Dench was recently interviewed and asked about her role in Home on the Range. She couldn't remember which animal she voiced xD

Here's a fun fact for you. The song "All-Star" by Smash Mouth was actually in The Digimon Movie a year before it got popular from Shrek.

"When a Pixar movie was coming it was an event." ...not so much nowadays anymore.

“It’s a movie version of a cartoon you can see on TV for free.” Yes, totally. I can totally see the same cartoon through the cable box I may be paying a fee for absolutely free!

4:11 You made an error: Rugrats: Go Wild (2003) came AFTER Rugrats In Paris (2000)

It's weird how John Lasseter is decrying the state of how we view 2D animation and CG animation, and yet, he's the creative head of Disney now essentially so he totally has the power to do 2D animated films again, but they instead cut their 2d division AGAIN recently.

My Cousin actually worked for Disney. He was an inbetweener for Disney movies like Mulan, Emperors New Groove, Lilo & Stitch... He did lose his Job there because he did not want to change to CGI animation. He still complains about CGI on Facebook.

_"In Hollywood, no one knows anything."_

I believe 2D animation is far more appealing and is much more beautiful if it is done well. In the classic Disney movies, you can see all the care and love put into the films. They are all absolutely beautiful.

I heard that the PPG movie failed because of bad timing. It came out summer 2002, which was pretty shortly after 9/11. And considering all the city violence in the PPG movie, it probably scared concerned parents away.

Don Bluth is trying his best with a 2d movie of Dragon's Lair

2D done extremely well is still a thousand times more impressive than 3D in my opinion.

“Was anyone asking for a Teacher’s Pet movie?” ..... Yes. Yes, I actually was.

That Rugrats Burger King ad at the end totally foreshadowed Tommy wanting to be a filmmaker in All Grown Up.

In fairness to Winnie-The-Pooh, it likely would done better if Disney picked almost any other date to release it. When you decide to release your film against a giant film franchise's series finale (Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2), you're engaging in self-sabotage.

No Iron Giant? It still is my favorite marriage of 2D and CG animation.

Hollywood logic: “This movie failed, it must mean that nobody likes the genre!” “What if it’s just that the movie sucked?” “Nah! That can’t be it”

Someday you should talk about VeggieTales. It was actually revolutionary for it's time (1993) for four or five people in a shed to be pumping out these 3d animated videos

That Winnie the Pooh movie came out the SAME EXACT DAY AS HARRY POTTER AND THE SOMETHING OR OTHER WHY DO YOU THINK IT DIDN'T STAND A CHANCE?!?!

I love the videos where Pan focuses more on dissecting the industry as a whole. His knowledge and analysis is really what sets him apart from most of the other internet animation "reviewers" (aside from Saberspark and the like).

I saw The Lion King in IMAX when I was a kid... I was blown away, you could actually see all of the sketch marks on all of the characters when they were animated. Made me have more appreciation for that talent that goes into something like that.

If you view sponge bob 2 as an bizzarre acid trip like, absurdist comedy, it's fucking awesome.

Home on the Range didn't need any help being a failure. What the fuck were they thinking with that concept?

Mary Poppins Returns had an 2D animated segment... it made me miss 2D animated movies from them again ;_;

14:07 This may surprise you, but changing the title of an animated Disney film to make it seem more marketable to a certain or wider audience that caused an uproar isn't new. When The Great Mouse Detective was in production, it was originally going to be named "Basil of Baker Street" like the source material, but executives thought it would be too British-sounding for American audiences, so they insisted it to have its name changed to The Great Mouse Detective. Of course, the animators were the ones who were not at all happy with that decision, as they thought it ruined their artistic integrity behind that project. As a result, one member of that particular staff, Ed Gombert, decided to respond by writing a satirical inter-office memo claiming that the Disney animated classics up until that point would be re-titled, though there was one that strangely remained untouched: photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4081/2333/1600/WDPNewTitles_large.1.jpg

The Spongebob Movie still holds up. Easily the best Spongebob related thing ever.

I'd watch a 2D animated movie sequel to Alice in Wonderland. Imagine a Alice Through the Looking Glass movie.

I genuinely did not know Teacher's Pet started out as a cartoon first. I thought it was some B-list Disney original movie that spawned its own cartoon later on. I only knew that name from a Pokemon DVD I had.

"nostalgia is huge so why not bank on it again?" well we all saw those live action remakes and we all know how well they did...

Moana was supposed to be 2D but the shareholders said no, and it had to be made in CGI instead

Fun fact: Aqua Teen Hunger Force Colon Movie for Theaters and The Simpsons Movie were the only American cartoons who got feature length theatrical movies between the two SpongeBob movies

This is why my dream and whole reason I'm pursuing animation at all is to create 2D hand drawn films or series utilizing the wacom digital technology but emphasizing STORY. I also want to push the medium further than it's ever gone before. Is it crazy for me to want to push 2d animation beyond where it's ever gone, even more than Disney? Possibly but crazy is the only way anything ever changes so I'm sticking with it.

You can tell the Nickelodeon movies were serious because they used extra shading

This was the most genuine Rebeltaxi video ever

This is honestly one of your best videos in a long time. I never would've thought about Rugrats lending a hand in killing 2D Disney animation on the big screen, but after you explained everything so well, it makes so much sense to me now. Disney should totally try to bring back 2D animation too. Not only is now the perfect time to do it with all the reasons you brought up, but I think it's also worth mentioning how well-received 2D animation is in video games right now. Games like Rayman Origins, Rayman Legends, Dust An Elysian Tail, and Cuphead all have extremely well received art-styles thanks to their usage of 2D animation and hand-drawn sprites. Even though games are a different medium, I think the there's a lot of audience overlap between games and film these days.

"No offence to all 3 fans of Teacher's Pet" None taken

Pan, Rugrats in Paris was the SECOND Rugrats movie, Go Wild was the third

Next time a Digimon S1 review. until then here's this.

I hope that big animation studios come to this realization, It would be very refreshing to see a good 2D film in theaters again.

The “be right back” before an actual ad was such a clean transition

The end of Recess School's Out has made me cry every single time I've watched it since I was a kid I have no idea why I am a baby

Still waiting for you to talk about weird Jimmy Neutron episodes

with sponge out of water, YES it felt like an episode. but goddamn it, it felt like an older episode. and we needed that. modern spongebob is shit, so it was refreshing

America's dismissal of 2D animation & games in exchange for 3D is like saying "The pig isn't the problem. It's just wearing the wrong makeup."

One of the best 2D animation movies is Treasure Planet. That art style is still one of the best art styles in animation

Fuck I love highly detailed 2d animation so much... I don't know why but 2d animation feels so much more real to me, it might be how much more control you have with 2d but it's just so nice to look at when well done.

"I'm sure general audiences were demanding a CG Winnie-the-pooh movie" *Christopher Robin is a 2018 American fantasy comedy-drama film directed by Marc Forster and written by Alex Ross Perry, Tom McCarthy, and Allison Schroeder, from a story by Greg Brooker and Mark Steven Johnson. The film is inspired by A. A. Milne and E. H. Shepard's book Winnie-the-Pooh[6] and is a live-action/CGI adaptation of the Disney franchise of the same name. The film stars Ewan McGregor as the title character alongside Hayley Atwell and the voices of Jim Cummings, Brad Garrett, Nick Mohammed, Peter Capaldi, Sophie Okonedo, Sara Sheen, and Toby Jones. The story follows an adult Christopher Robin as he has lost his sense of imagination, only to be reunited with his old stuffed bear friend, Winnie-the-Pooh. Plans of a live-action Winnie the Pooh adaptation were announced in April 2015, and Forster was confirmed as director in November 2016. McGregor signed on as Christopher Robin in April 2017 and principal photography began in August of that year in the United Kingdom, lasting until November. Christopher Robin had its premiere in Burbank, California on July 30, 2018.[7] Released in the United States on August 3, 2018, by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures, the film grossed over $197 million worldwide and received mostly positive reviews from critics, with praise for McGregor and Cummings's performances, musical score, and visual effects.[8]*

I remember when Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods came out and the entire movie theatre was packed, it’s almost like people still cared about 2D animated films even back in 2013

Everytime there's a new review, it feels like forever since the last.

Can I just say how great this video was? Well researched, filled with interesting content an ideas, and very informative while still being entertaining. I know the comment sections on this channel are usually for silly jokes and edgy opinions, but damn, I just just wanted to say that I thoroughly enjoyed watching this video. Good job!

2019 comment btw "Cash in Nostalgia!" Disney: makes live action remakes "Wait not that!"

I went to see the My Little Pony Movie with my kid and while it’s a pretty standard story, it was nice to see a major 2D western release movie on the big screen.

Movies Like Captain Underpants And The Peanuts Movie Being Back Some 2D Animation

Well considering we're kind of in a Nostalgia craze and Disney obviously knows this (just LOOK at the force awakens and tell me it isn't banking on nostalgia) so there's probably a strong chance of a 2D Disney movie again by the 2020s.

It's not just 2D that needs to come back it's hand-drawn and coloured 2D animation. Good video.

You don't know how much I appreciate how you use KZfaq advertisments to your advantage!

I have to admit that while I do think 3D animation can look nice 2D has always been my thing. And as for your point about Your Name in Japan it seems as if 3D hasn't really progressed to our extent to mainstream use. And with that I mean it looking as polished normally, because if Berserk 2017 can tell us anything some of it can come out pretty awful. Anyway, I remember seeing one of the Rugrats films in theaters and probably saw this one as well as a kid. I had forgotten all about it.

2D Films adapted from popular TV shows = 💰 2D Films that have an original story, characters, ideas, etc; = 💣

Don't know about anyone else, but that part when Tommy tries to pour the baby food over Dil literally makes me tear up. It always has. It was that emotional for me. Come at me.

2D girls > 3D girls

I swear if you insult The Spongebob Movie...

Maybe that's why Pixar's not all that impressive anymore, or why their films are just not as profitable. The amazing CGI is what we expect at this point from Pixar. But that alone cannot sell a film. Look at The Good Dinosaur; godly amazing realistic water effects, but the story was shit. And development hell definitely shows its mark on the story. Pixar used to tell good stories, although it has gotten very samey and predictable in plot structure (the "heroes are suddenly far from home because of a reason, and now must find their way home and/or while learning to get along with each other and their differences" in particular is overdone at this point).

okay but “you don’t need a license to drive a sandwich” is iconic

that is clearly banana baby food that he tries to dump on Dill theres a banana on the label

Something else I think you neglected to mention when it came to the financial failure of Winnie the Pooh: It came out the same weekend as DEATHLY HOLLOWS, PT 2. Of course no one was going to go see an earnest 2D animated Winnie the Pooh film when the decades long Harry Potter film franchise was coming to an end that same weekend. I'm certain Disney picked that release date on purpose as the final nail in the coffin to axe their 2D department.

not only Japan focus on 2D animation, Irish Cartoon Saloon is making a very good efort for bringing back 2D

Honestly I think Treasure Planet is one of Disney's greatest movies.

Man I love this channel. How come it hasn't gotten that much attention?? Pan has been around for years and the quality of his videos are amazing.

90s "Yo boi! Let's play Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 on my Dreamcast! Drink Sunny D! & skateboard in the skatepark afterwards to hip hop music!" Early 2000s "Yo dude! Let's play Tony Hawk Underground on my XBOX! Drink Caprisun! & skateboard afterwards to Nu Metal & Pop Punk!"

The original spongebob movie is a comedic masterpiece

"That's my favorite Kanye song" oh my god.

Make a review about Mighty B

Rugrats Go Wild came out last

"Slightly above average" *Proceeds to show The Spongebob Movie* You WHAT

HEY! I liked Teacher's Pet...

You missed on something else, RebelTaxi, and that was Hey Arnold! The Movie. Originally it was meant to be on television, but a focus group apparently convinced Nickelodeon to throw it on theaters to add to the trend of throwing movies based on TV shows in theaters! Despite having a $3 million budget, it bombed with $15 million (pretty much chump change) and has a 29% Rotten rating on Rotten Tomatoes, obviously thanks to the generic "Save insert place here" story and it's ridiculously faster-than-a-speeding-bullet pacing. Oh, but that was just the tip of the iceberg. Nick pretty much knee jerked and canceled the show because Craig Bartlett had a show on Cartoon Network and couldn't even do what was gonna be the true series finale: the Hey Arnold Jungle TV movie that was finally gonna solve the mystery regarding Arnold's parents! ...but it's coming back in November of this year so there is some hope in this world...as long as it's good and worth waiting for 13 goddamn years! Other than that, very informative video Rebel! I miss 2D Animation

You know, that's not actually a bad speculation, Pan. I think you're right on the money. The market just got over saturated, and with how many animation studios nowadays are making CG films, it's only a matter of time before theatrical animation might take another big turn.

As someone who got the tapes straight from Japan I already knew who that green squirrel thing was but I do remember my friends being completely flabbegarsted by what they were seeing.

Interestingly enough, the 2011 Winnie the Pooh ended up coming straight to dvd here in Australia. It never made it to cinemas here.

can't believe Pan forgot the Bevis and Butt head movie

So basically it came down to. 1. follow the Leader 2. kept making barely above tv quality movies of their tv brands. 3. A HORRIBLE release date in Princess and the Frog's case (Those fuckers went up against James Cameron? Seriously?) 4. I forgot what the 4th thing was, but there was a 4th thing. Basically it was all incompetence on their part.

But I loved 2011's Winnie the Pooh. Such a wonderful film. I was heartbroken to hear it failed in theatres. :(

I'm going to be blunt, Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh weren't influenced by Rugrats to make movies, claiming they are is dishonest.

Thank your for actually deconstructing the problems with 2D and 3D animation industry instead of being a 2D purist who thinks they know everything about an artform they detest.

Such a shame Treasure Planet bombed

A minor note I wanted to make: Hey Arnold's pilot episode actually STARTED in the Cinema. It was only ever "aired" as a featurette before the film Harriet The Spy.

Pan:"No offense to all 3 fans of teachers pet" Me:"None taken I guess "

I'm not sure if anyone remembers this but when I saw Rugrats movie in theaters they gave out scratch and sniffs along with the movie. I remember smelling them and the one labeled feet overpowerd all the other smells so I didn't use it during the movie.

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