Jaime Loftus might be the funniest person ever. "How many utils to kiss with tongue?" had me in stitches.

crypto is not a currency it depends on the US dollar - it is basically just investing money in nothing - i remember when i told people crypto was a scam they attacked me viciously

Effective Altruism as practiced by these guys is literally what the saying - The Road to Hell is Paved with Good intentions' originated from. The proper full translation from French is more like : "Hell is full of good intentions. Heaven is full of good acts."

"Don't put bags over your heads kids" The truly life changing reporting of Robert Evans comes through again!

"maximizing his income on behalf of the poor" were do they think all this excess money comes from they gamble with?

The classic con - he portrayed himself exactly how the suckers think a techie genius must be and the worse he presented himself the more the suckers assumed it must be signs of his true genius. Also, he sucked at League of Legends. His rank was trash.

I don't think I've ever identified more with Robert, Jamie, and Sophie than in their incandescent loathing of Sam Bankman Fried (and Dickrider, of course.) Excellent work, all.

Too embarrassing to go to jail. I'm sure the same judge sentenced a man with a dark complexion to 20 years for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his family.

Dickrider’s article, with all its ‘war is impossible in 1914’ energy, is probably going to make it into the history books as a shorthand for the fuckery of our era.

I look for to the Well There's Your Problem episode on the Behind the Bastards Hyperloop

Any time it's a Jaime episode, I know I'm in for a good time. She's amazing

In the 'who's affected by this?' answer, I'd like to point out their name was everywhere by the end, and a lot of regular folk had jumped onto the bottom rungs of the pyramid for the ponzi scheme by the end. Even if they didn't, there were a lot of trusted caretakers of funds and portfolios who put money into FTX to boost their clients without their direct consent. Sure, the entire cypto space is a Greater Fool farm, but a lot of those fools are small time people you know, just trying to make a few bucks for their own survival.

Recent comments from Lewis show he definitely drank this kid's kool-aid. Real "I think he was trying to do good in spite of all the crimes" stuff.

32:50 Like, that's not even a good argument in the terms of "Effective Altruism", like it has nothing to do with EA and is, honestly, probably meant to be more justification for it. It's a loaded question which shows that they already believe that EA is good, which it is not. The fundamental problem with EA is that it still relies and you could argue even calls to optimize the fundamental exploitation on the system which is the CAUSE of all the problems that Effective Altruism claims to be trying to stop. It's nothing more than a bunch of VCs with guilty consciences trying to justify them having more money than they know what to do with while everyone else goes without. A better analogy would be "Is it ethical to take the money meant to keep an orphanage up and running if you believe you can multiply that money and promise that, if you do, you'll give all the orphans jobs in your company when they grow up?", but, when you lay it out plainly like that, suddenly it doesn't sound so good.

Getting crypto ads while listening to this is SO funny

Surprised you managed to say _'ThE AbOrTiOn DeBaTe'_ with a serious tone

man, poly can be ethical but it only ever gets in the news for crazy shit

“Howling Clownshit” is my new favorite saying 43:32

Lol OH MY GOD an ad for gold hahaha

I dress like shit and play video games all the time. Shame I actually have human empathy, I could make a killing if I could stop thinking of other people as people.

About the Selena Gomez Thing. It turns out that Selena Gomez's doctor contacted Selena when they fond out her friend was a match for Selena, Before the friend even knew she as a match. Then she goes back to drinking again after the Kidney transplant. The doctor breached the patient confidentiality agreement, i wonder if it made her feel more preasure to go through with it. I would be pissed if that happened.

Holmes will never serve 11 years.

I used to live next to an MIT frat. They would invite us to their parties so we never called the cops on them.

"I'm not going to go into details, this article spends a lot of time writing about how he figures this out" LMAO

I'm realising that all I really want anymore is an ASMR channel that just reads dickriding puff pieces about people who immediately fucked up everything in incredibly predictable fashion.

I don’t know everything about Shaq, but the things I’ve heard have all been good, like paid for everyone’s shit at Walmart and playing basketball with kids and shit.

I feel the same way Farron feels about sasquatches, but with Aliens! For sure alien life exists outside of Earth, but I dont think we've encountered any. I also really really want it to be true, but pretty sure these UFO videos are just birds... 😔

Great episode. Very humorous.

14:25 I usually agree with you on matters like this, but the first video game was made at Stanford

Utilitarianism sounds like how sociopaths navigate the world.

37:55 Well. Turns out we were in for some kind of "treat," just not the kind anyone could have predicted.

20:39 Wait, who *didn't* weigh arguments around the abortion debate at age 12? That was a formative moment in my childhood, and I grew up solidly middle class.

52:40 Ah, I remember doing this in Fable 1 but just buying and selling the same stock back to him forever lol

hell yes DBZ mention

1:22:00 Michael. There's always money in banana stand.

Look into the financials of most college ACM clubs and I bet you'll see the same faulty accounting and egregious spending habits that SBF and his buddies have. Trust me my chapter never fundraised and somehow still managed to order 10-15 dominos pizzas every meeting.

Crypto isn't anything other than a purely speculative asset made of nothing but hype. It's like MLMs, a "bigger fool" scam. It's not currency.

I was not expecting Harry Potter House *racial caste system* when viewing this episode on Scam Banking Fraud.

Sam is guilty on all counts

Robert might be interested in the similar gambling advice that James Stephanie Sterling gives, a strategy called "crabby granny drinky winky" where they go to a casino in I think at the time Mississippi with a free crab buffet and sit at the slots with all the old ladies eating free crab and drinking free drinks as they press the slots buttons Very Slowly lmfao

it does effect the real economy

Lol lol, I love the Dragon Ball analogy even though I think it's a dumb cartoon. However, if Ben Affleck's Divorce power is over 9000, Elon is Cell.

Me when you started talking about his girl friend's polyamory views: Come on Robert, do we really have to attack someone for their sexuality like that? Poly might be fringe, but we deserve a lot better attention than we usually get... *5 Seconds later* Wtf? Okay, nvm she has extremely fucked up views on relationships! I swear... this whole episode is about why SBF shares most of my interests but then takes most of them to fucked up places... Dear god.

As someone who still plays LoL. Objectively bad game made of spaghetti string and balanced to sell you a new character every few months

Bahhahhaaa I got a ron paul gold commercial. Washington state parol, don't be jealous.

Jean Renoir

40:10 did that hack just try to explain Year 7 probability _mid sentence?_

Guys the most ethical thing is to give me all of the money.

I for one refer to Robert as the jesus christ of podcasting

Shaq Fu!!!

beanie babies was ONE PERSON?

This was not as good as others have purported it to be. You might want to make an updated one now that there's more info regarding plenty of background on him and his family.

Video actually starts at 6:30. Everything before that is completely unrelated.

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I agree with everything in this except the specific american brand of anti intellectualism. French people watch french movies

"Tom Brady (Super Saiyan Divorced) Has Hit the World Trade Center" New nonsense grindcore band

if only the man wouldn't interrupt and talk over the woman all the time..I've given up

About 13 minutes in, you can hear Robert Evans' frustration at being interrupted by his guest as he tries to push through. Just don't have guests, man, if your format is to talk at them and not have even the visual element of their reaction. I'm new to your podcasts, and have binged hours of them in the last few days, and been impressed by the willingness of everyone to self-reflect, to not speak thoughtlessly, to consider and research and acknowledge bias without being afraid to pick a side. But man, it's old already listening to you talk over the women on your show because they're less unwilling to give up the sentence they've embarked upon than the men you host, whom you seem to concede to quicker and with less irritation. That's my consistent impression, at least. And I don't think the gender difference is intentional, but I do think it's happening. In fairness, the most stark difference is between your co-host ("they say I just giggle in the background" is the audience targeting her, and not you, which isn't very fair) and the guests you've got clear pre-established friendships with (like the duo in the Kissinger episode), where you're just having a great time and a bit more willing to listen to their bits. Having someone to bounce off of is the format, but it's an odd one. "Journalist reads his articles at people who aren't necessarily informed enough to add to the conversation because that isn't the point" can be a frustrating format to listen to sometimes.

bad episode because robert does reading voice instead of explaining voice and it's hard to follow or care about a lot of it

Almost every single person who supports effective altruism support taxing the rich more, idk why he keeps implying this is not true. He does it like 5 times. Just not accurate

Love the part where Jaime describes the concept of your podcast as you uncomfortably cornering her at a party where she is totally disinterested and can’t escape! Perfectly describes her incessantly interrupting contribution. She really needs to understand that there is an audience for YOUR PODCAST not for her to constantly complain while making no contribution. Please let Robert tell the story Jesus she sounds the same as every sardonic incessant woman on earth

that jk Rowling comment there at the end was unnecessary, please one bad person at a time.

This weird bullshit does not represent utilitarians or utilitarian ethics. I'm pretty sure SBF doesn't actually understand it either. Someone just told him about the basic concept that you could try to do math with ethics to try to maximize utility, but didn't explain any of the concepts that actually bestow value, like bodily autonomy, or anything in Mazlow's Hierarchy of Needs for that matter. You mock the use of utiles as a concept, but one of the points it was used to make early on is that things that bring people joy are valuable because of that joy, not because of their associated class status. E.G: Poor people drinking beer isn't innately morally inferior to rich people drinking wine. Using expected value as his primary metric also doesn't make sense for most ethical applications. Expected value for a risk only really makes sense with volume. You can't make up for the unreliability of betting your life's savings on risky bets by doing it again and again until the wins out pay your losses. This is especially bad when the outcome has ethical value, because the consequences for failure are more dire. We usually strive to avoid the worst outcome when lives are on the line, and the availability of reliably safe options makes risky ones kinda pointless. Getting $50 is obviously better than a 50% chance at $100 if you're starving. The utility of the first one is that you do not starve to death. The utility of the second one is that you might not starve to death, and if you don't, you'll be a bit richer too. One clearly outweighs the other. The fact that the expected (monetary) values are the same does not mean that the outcomes are ethically equivalent or even similar. It's like saying we should be happy that capitalism creates so much value for shareholders because the average wealth is increasing, even if 99% of us experience none of that growth. Going back to the starving person, this actually gets worse with volume. With 2 people, option A is still 100% chance everyone lives, but option B has only a 25% chance that everyone lives, a 50% chance that only 1 person lives, and a 25% chance that both people starve. As a policy, option B is obviously worse. The fact that 25% of the time everyone lives and each has an extra $50 has nothing on the 75% chance that at least 1 person dies. It's also especially weird for someone who believes what he specifically does about abortion, that potential lives aren't the same as living people, to then conclude that his best ethical option is to do whatever is necessary to become rich enough to change the world in some way that will somehow help people that aren't born yet rather than help people who are alive right now (and incidentally improve the chances of their offspring living well anyway). Even taking his own supposed beliefs at face value, maximizing his personal wealth/power is not the best way to achieve his stated goal. He would have to think that 1] Humanity is fucking doomed if someone doesn't become fantastically wealthy, and 2] that it has to be him specifically to save us all. Otherwise it would be better to just make sure the maximum number of people grow up with the best living conditions and educations possible in hopes that someone smarter or a generation of smarter people figure out how to save our asses. Way better chances of that succeeding that just gambling until you take over the world and inevitably just make everything worse, or fail and achieve nothing.

It just gets worse and worse, im 30 minutes in and youre just blabbing on without talking about sbf at all

I'm normally a fan of BTB, but this whole episode is just "we don't understand the field of Ethics, so let's mock it". (This is not a defense of Effective Altruism, which is a bullshit misuse of philosophy)

Robert was super annoying this episode, regularly interrupting Jamie to say some of the blandest shit ever about the issue.

The lady just interrupting throughout the podcast with irrelevant jokes was pretty irritating.

Derr-rid-uh 😐