That sounds pretty accurate

Yep, if you’re gonna be sneaky you gotta go all the way. Never shoulda taken pictures and shoulda melted it down.

dude, it is not just "a shit ton of gold", pero did not even exist back then.. what the hell are oyu talking about...

Uh, all that gold + silver was mined by those who lived in the area at the cost of many lives who were enslaved. Beyond that, between epidemics + conquering they killed 90% of the population. Spain deserves none of it.

I think I'd just keep it's secret and slowly sell it into the black market.

I agree 100%. I would have taken 85% of the buckets full of gold and said the remaining 15% was all we extracted if I was feeling friendly.

thats a fact

Lmao

Any stories you can share cryptically? 😉

YES !-AND KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT !!

Damn

Uhhhh given the state of the country of spain in the last 300 years I dont think they could have afforded that. Spain can hardly keep herself in one piece.

Nobody asked them to come to our waters and take it out. Of course the government will sue if the treasure is being taken as property to a foreign country.

​@@helloMRdj1cope harder, third world ass country lmao

More like the lost relative gets you drunk and robs you while stiffing the wife (Portugal) and leaving the country with the girlfriend. There should be an automatic minimum bounty on the return of the treasure. The value of an "archeological site" that no one will ever visit is also pretty close to convenient nonsense.

What the fuck? Someone digs up your dead grandpa and steals the rings on his fingers, and get to keep them because the grandchildren didn't choose to do it first? Get fucked. The gold was fine where it was. If it was gonna go anywhere, it's not some fucking American graverobbers

Thanks, I really appreciate that

I second this, stumbled across the channel and I love listening to the stories told here!

finders keepers

Do I hear the spanish compensating all their victims through the inquisition ? Where is their strong sense or justice there ? They were happy to profit and continue to profit from their sins.

Not a one.

Lol "finders keepers" is a concept that belongs on the primary school playground, and nowhere else. In the real world, people are expected to act like actual mature adults and follow basic moral tenets, one example being to recognize that the act of losing a piece of property due to circumstances beyond the owner's control does NOT automatically strip ownership rights from that party. If you lost your wallet out in the world, wouldn't you shout and scream if someone just helped themselves to your cash, your credit, your identity? Or would you be okay with them taking all of those things because you weren't out looking hard enough for it, so therefore "finders keepers"? It's sad that this even needs to be explained, but then there is a shocking number of grown-ass people who mentally seem to have never left the primary school playground.... 🤦🏼‍♂️

​@pizzlerot2730 don't retrieve your shit for decades or hundreds of years? That's on you. Finders keepers makes sense here. An entire national government could easily do it, not doing it is their fault.

What you think happen with the titanic ? The theory is they sunk the twin ship (completely identical) for insurance claims. The actual titanic never actually wrecked (up for speculation) but yea bro. The titanic was one big insurance scam

@@kingscavenger4372 Yeah i heard that it may have been swapped with the sister ship, the Olympic. Very possible. Back then no one would know the difference

@@kingscavenger4372 People still haven't given up on this idiotic theory? If it was an insurance scam it was a pretty terrible one; the Titanic was very underinsured, the White Star Line lost a huge amount of money on the sinking, and that's not even counting that bad PR.

If insurance company pays out, they are considered the "owners" after that. Government ships were almost never privately insured.

Half a billion will do that to you.

Spoken like a true colonizer. @@waterlinestories

I'm South African. We were colonised. Not the coloniser.

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Salvage is one thing when its private. International Maritime laws are not even agreed by all countries. The more a I make these stories the more I realise that maritime expeditions are just not governed by the same rule as land. It really is the wild west and nobody or government agrees. Even when it seems clear that theres foul play, it almost never comes to any prosecution. Maritime Industry is an incredibly fascinating world.

As someone who lives in Spain, I would not be surprised if the undersea exploration company had their lawyers perform due diligence with the Spanish authorities and realised they wouldn't have a ghost of a chance of keeping anything they found. Ask yourselves how much of that wealth subsequently went into the pockets of certain Spanish government officials.

@@h5mind373 Considering the shear magnitude of the find, and the relative fiasco that IS STILL the Spanish Government's budget... for all the obvious profit margin, something's not getting where it should be... ...AND I'll leave it at that. ;o)

I have a deep suspicion a couple tons of gold coins disappeared here or there on the way to Florida :D

@@h5mind373 I would agree. Portugal got strong armed quite quickly... if they could do that to another government, why not take everything from the private salvage company.

😂 I definitely would have kept a bucket full

@@waterlinestories Or 2 or 3....

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I would have kept most and claims finding such amount and see what the greedy politics say. A metal melter should be on ship

Yup. Here in South America, we tend to joke about sPAIN giving back the gold that they "stole". (In the 16th century they suffered 5 cycles of inflation for that, hehe) 😂 Good vid m8

Yeah it’s one of the more interesting ones I think.

@@waterlinestories Most definitely. Brand new insight into something I knew absolutely nothing about. Brilliant.

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Thanks. It’s one of those stories that has so many interesting aspects. I really enjoyed researching it.

Because politicians aren't theives and they won't use ownership of the treasure to peddle influence to the highest bidder... the Obama admin tried to sell the owners out to hand deliver someone else's treasure to Spain if their Literal friend could get some painting in return. Remind me Who has destroyed the economies of their people over and over again... Socialists? (Soviet Union, Venezuela, Cuba, Franco's Spain, Nazi Germany). Which "billionaires" were involved here or in any major treasure hunting find? "Valuable heritage?" The site is at the bottom of the sea... there will be no tours. The intent Was to sell it to museums and collectors and give the country a cut. But certain countries have a reputation of just taking it all. What new wonders could be uncovered by a bunch of gold coins in the dark of the ocean in international waters... Spain going to sell tickets? What value if all salvage companies just take the gold and melt it down because they Know some politician will steal the treasure and sell it for influence.

Nothing real from that ship is being sold for $25. 🤦‍♂️

Yep. I mean inside waiting six years And having the distinct feeling another country will put a spanner in the works.

Yeah when I was researching ships and their cost I thought I’d love to have $10 mil lying around so I can go search for shipwrecks

Im in .just say when

Ok the crew is starting to take shape. Just need a ship

It's a fantastic dream. If I had money I would join up.

@@waterlinestories what about the calypso?

Oh its a massive problem, most pre-atomic WWII ships are at risk of being ripped apart by Chinese mega $$ salvages, entire war graves decimated (HMAS Perth for example, Im Aussie). Tbh i don't really know why older sailing ships (with treasure) aren't seen in the same light, they should be left alone if you ask me. Let them rest, poor souls. Profiting off their graves will just encourage profiteering, risk taking and these already incredibly wealthy rich men grabbing & destroying our graves. Who cares about treasure when men & women have drowned..?

Now Im thinking about Popcorn...

Because investors want return on their money? Why be an investor at all of you don't want a return? Do you understand how soialism and capitalism work? Check Wikipedia. Start with this: Getting nothing for something only works in the deluded minds of socialism.

No, in this case it had _nothing_ to do with the greed of the salvage company. It was simply bad faith greed on the part of the Spanish government, which is STILL little better than the Franco government.

I'm South African. We have, how shall I say, loose morals. I think off keep a treasure and not tell anyone. The trick would be to melt it down and sell it slowly to different people without attracting attention. An ounce here and an ounce there. Probably won't be easy to recover the tens of millions it takes to find it.

@@waterlinestories I got thinking about this last night actually. I’d do it one of two ways. First thing that I’d do after location is go to those who will try taking it away, (AKA the government) and say look, this is what I’ve found, and this is what I want to reveal the said location. Then tell them that if they don’t want to pay. Then I shall go to people on the black market side of things and offer them the same exact deal. But make sure that they are well aware that if I’m forced to go that route, they obviously won’t have any way to recover it down the road. Because that’s exactly what they’d do, melt it all down and enter it into circulation among their various types of ways.. It’s pretty simple. If I go through the trouble of actually tracking down said treasure, then I’m absolutely going to get paid for my time, equipment, knowledge and whatever else all that entails! But one way or another, im fixin to get that bag!! 🤷🏻‍♂️😁

@@waterlinestories Even if my actions mean that I must go to prison for however long.. Least I know that im set for life once I’m released.. That or my family would be at the very least! 🤷🏻‍♂️🙌🏼

The problem is, loose lips sink ships. You wouldn't be able to run an operation line this single handed so while you're in prison, sone other schmack is selling your secret. Nope I think you have to extract it abed smelt it down or sell it on the black market.

@@waterlinestories Well yeah, you’d obviously split it up amongst the crew. Then you’d take your cut and stash it away with the only person knowing your hiding spot being a family member. That way if I’m not getting out, they’d be able to retrieve it when they’d need it. But yeah melting it down would likely be the best way to get the most out of what’s been found tho!.

Right? I am sure the Spanish Empire acquired all that gold and silver entirely morally

plunder gold from another country?. At that point, it was spanish provices.. it was not "another country".. there wasnt even countries there back then.. what the hell are you talking about man?...It is funny, so americans stole another country of everything too?, or how many countries did they stole from? (appart from mexico of course, but that happened basically yesterday...).. tell me more about this logic you apply...

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Hey Vince. Oh yeah I had plenty of great research to stue on. And way too much time in South Africa to mull over it. How are you getting on?

@@waterlinestories Right on. Things much better than last time! Groceries, good tires and tons of snow these days and waiting for spring planting. Doubt I'd come BACK if I could walk thru to South Africa via Stargate. Hell, maybe NORTH A by this point! Cheers.

Yeah I'm back in Germany and counting the days to spring. But at least we don't have much snow right now where I am. If it weren't for my German wife I think I'd just stay in South Africa. I'll just keep working on that Stargate😳 Glad all is well your end

Thanks I appreciate that

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Yep

Oh, forgot a "Sinking ship" means one that has been in the bottom of the ocean for 200 years

Actually no. The ship has to be abandoned or you have no right to salvage... and of course, good luck with the country abiding by anything legal or fair.

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Especially if I put millions down and years into it. Only to have all these governments who never cared and I never entered the country… I’d rather drop it back into the ocean or give it to Mexico who they stole from. Like if you wanna play stolen property game I’m ready for bankruptcy and giving laundering it by giving all away coin by coin

Peru was part of Spain at the time. They emancipated later. When you leave your parents' house you don't get to take away their possessions.

​@RobertoGarcia-hf6bs and how did Peru become "part" of Spain?

@@Ob1sdarkside there was an alliance between the Spanish and the indigenous tribes who were being subjugated by the Incas. This is how Pizarro conquered the Inca empire. Cortes did the same with the Aztecs. Parts of the Incan nobility were maintained in their positions of privilege, just changing allegiance towards a new king and a new god but being part of the ruling elite in the new power structure. Why change allegiance to a new king? The troops sent by this new king had horses, more powerful weapons and tactics. Why change religion? For the same reason that christianity spread across Europe: it was much more humane than the religions they had and people were easily sold on it. Peru did not exist as a state before the Spanish conquest. The Peruvians of today are the heirs to the new culture that was created by mixing the Spanish and indigenous contributions, genetically and culturally. The way Peru became part of Spain is several light years more civilized than the way North America became part of England and then the US. The indigenous peoples were recognised as members of the Spanish crown, with the obligations of being treated humanely, by decree of queen Isabella, going back to the late 1400s, right after the discoveries of Columbus. Like Rome made Spaniards members of their empire, so did Spain with the people of the Americas. By contrast, in North America, 99% of the indigenous peoples were exterminated and the rest put in reserves. And if anyone is to blame for anything that happened in Peru between then and today, it is not the Spaniards of today, but the ancestors of the PEruvians of today. Having said that, most of the gold and silver of Peru stayed in Peru. It was used to build cathedrals and churches, towns, hospitals, universities (take a look at the old part of their cities, they are still there). Only a fifth was sent back to Spain (this was written in the law, and it had a name, the Quinto Real). The Spanish Americas were always richer, more stable and peaceful than Iberian Spain as they benefited from the imperial trade exchanges that reached as far as the Philipines without having to fight the European wars. It was after the independence that all the current troubles started. After their liberators, all members of the masonry and working for England, decomposed the empire in several small powerless republics. It was these republics that did the damage to the indigenous peoples in the 19th and 20th centuries. But they use hatred of Spain as a way to legitimise their own claim to power.

@RobertoGarcia-hf6bs Yeah, you see this happened in Ireland. The point is, Spain didn't belong in Peru and they took wealth from South America. It's called colonisation

@@Ob1sdarkside well, did Rome belong in Spain? Honestly, I am not sure I really understand the meaning of that question. What I would say is that the Roman empire fell but Rome remains in Spain, through the language, culture, laws, institutions, … Spaniards do not see the Romans as thieves and we do not consider ourselves as thieves with regards to the gold of the Americas… As for the term colonisation: in the sense that it is widely used nowadays, it tends to describe the Anglo Saxon colonisation, which is not in the Roman tradition of conquering and building, but in the tradition of mere pillaging and exploiting, with racial extermination rather than admixture. Sorry, there is a difference between what the English did and what the Spanish crown did. While it was not all perfect, the result is so much more positive. And again, whatever was done in Peru, was done by the grand grand parents of those who now accuse us Spaniards of being criminals and thieves. My ancestors did not move from Europe.

I think he was probably excited to talk about it and as oo as he opened his mouth he remembered his boss telling him to say nothing. Funny exchange.

Dude was full of sh*t... I've catered a quite a bit through treasure hunters. They ARE a secretive bunch, but in idle chat, it's WAY TOO EASY as a "pick-up tool" for girls to keep their mouths 100% shut... SO when you ask "Yeah? Whereabouts?" Then the correct answer is something more like "Oh... right now we're in the Mediterranean"... or "El Caribe... The Spanish Main... You know, Pirates and Buccaneers and tropical breezes off the Florida coast..."... and the like... Maybe the Arctic, or North Atlantic... etc... They won't get more specific OBVIOUSLY... AND will even caution you. "Look, if you're thinkin' of gettin' into the business, you gotta learn that loose lips sink ships, and forfeit gold you ain't found yet. SO we got us a theory about a few possible sites in the area. This is gonna detail a few things we can check against for a better shot at registering the right papers the first time. Nothing like a paperwork f*ck-up to put the whole operation in the sh*tter... so you want to have your eye's dotted and your tee's crossed before you get lawyers involved." AND then they'll probably change the subject... something about gear, or adventurous explorations... something anecdotal about diving with noob's or fishing to pass time... who knows... Life at sea is full of crazy sh*t! BUT just as the story in the vid' proved, the international "rules" aren't even really rules, because governments get into disagreements all the time, even MORE confounding anytime words like "Gold" or "Silver" or "Treasure" are involved. Wars have been started over less... accounting for thousands of lives destroyed. If you think your rinky-dinky little life is worth more for some reason, get over yourself. It's very easy to go broke for finding a VERY large amount of precious metal. ;o)

Thanks for saying so I really appreciate that

That's what it's there for. Thanks for watching

So if the descendant of the Neanderthal Ug of tribe Izzu claims rights to South Dakota... cool and fair... after the 93 other tribes that "claimed" ownership in the interim. There needs to be a time limit or it might become a feeding frenzy for lawyers and treasure hunters that destroy the artifacts for metal value as certain countries have a reputation of laying claim and taking all the proceeds.

Did you say a bucket or two?

That’s great, thanks for saying so. It took me a while to put together. I had fun doing it

Ha ha. Thanks. I really do appreciate that. Im still learning. Ive had some videos pop and this one, I worked on for almost two months, has not. I think this one is different from the topics Ive covered before and so it hasnt found its audience. Maybe my thumbnails arent attracting attention. Who knows. I was also away for over a month visiting family in South Africa and didnt publish so I lost some momentum. I think in the end the channel will get there.

@@waterlinestories Well for whatever it’s worth, you make good content at least! It’s gotta be slightly discouraging to put 2 months into anything and not see some kinda return on it in some way.. But hang in there. Hopefully it’ll pick up more soon for ya!.. 🤞🏼🤞🏼 It’s certainly not for a lack of effort anyways and it shows too!! 🫡

Thanks. Yeah, I just take it as 'I have stuff to learn'. It sucks sometimes but I know Im on the right track when I get comments like this. Over time things will fall into place. I think there is about to be an explosion of terrible AI generated content and so people will naturally gravitate to quality content. Ill just keep trying to improve and things will fall into place. Thanks for watching.

@@waterlinestories Yessir! We’ll keep up the great work man! I’ll definitely keep watching!! 🙌🏼👍🏼

Might as well be

I would have. 😇

Lol yeah mate it wouldn't be surprising would it.

I am the same, I actually feel these guys should of made some profit as nobody cared until they put millions of dollars and years into searching.. it’s some dead kings money lost in war in another country ….. dude YOUR SPAIN YOU STOLE SO MUCH you shouldn’t wanna play “” stolen property”” with countries

Not if you're a married man, you own nothing even your childhood teddy bear as many men simply went home and barred from entering and become homeless and cash or cardless in one swoop by the divorce judges.

Well, that seems that’s exactly what they did, they secured the treasure then their lawyers lost and they had to give up the treasure.

The US Gov would have sided with the Spanish, and after identity was made of the wreck, refusal to pay would have resulted in your company being fined the alleged value of the the treasure or risk arrest and forceful seizure of the value. The US & Spain have an extradition treaty as well.

Yes they did. Took it to the US Supreme Court, but they refused to hear it.

You lost 500$ in your sofa. I come to your house, find it and take it. Now I claim its mine.

and that is why south america is full of native people, with all kinds of native languages, have universities that are even older tha USA itself... because they butchered them right... that is why USA has the natives in human zoos called reserves while south american countries have millions and millions of natives... Do you even use your braincells before talking? lmao.. that logic...

🤣 Thanks. Good to see a Saffa watching.

Once something is written off as a total loss, it should be "finders keepers." Ownership should have a statute of limitations on it, yes.

@@snuurferalangur4357 Name a museum that does NOT claim lost things from around the world.