Wayne lad he is the best European fighter of all time

Best italian boxer from British shores...

I really can't think of anybody in any weight division, in any era, from any country that has a record and a resume like Joe's. Best of all time for me.

Iron Chin, Don't me laugh. He chose to stay with warren coz he kept him undefeated, Robin Reid fight should of been a draw. Sorry never call someone the greatest who never had a trilogy or a rematch. Fighting firemen ffs and fighters with no amateur record. Don't blame warren he could've left him years ago but wouldn't get his way in the US . Kessler, Reid were good fights .. sorry lacy was a bully but got hit by Joe with the palm of his gloves all night. Didn't buy the Jones fight coz I was sick of seeing a bankrupt legend being knocked out, oh wait..he mocked Jones all night, what was that all about??? Jones even put him on his arse, funny how he fought him then.

@@derekoshaughnessy9809 Sorry, you don't decide who is great and who isnt and that pile of utter mince isn't going to change my mind. All personal bias and inaccuracies. Away with your bitter jealousy.

@@urbanraida Never said I did, but I have an opinion and I'm an opinionated person who says how feels. Joe's a good fighter but could but wouldn't put his money where his mouth was. He was too proud to risk a loss and USA Wouldn't of let that style slide, look at Hatton v Floyd ended up lundging at Floyd and Ricky got check hooked. Had no business at welterweight, Louis Collazzo nearly stopped him before Floyd's fight.

@@derekoshaughnessy9809 You literally wrote (not said, as you wrote in your reply) "sorry never call someone the greatest who never had a trilogy". So, you are wrong again there. The rest is conjecture on your behalf. Your beloved Mayweather himself has referred to Calzaghe as a great fighter in the past. How many British fighters have been has high as Calzaghe in the P4p lists? Not many, which again shows how wrong you are, old button. How many fighters since WWII have won 3 consecutive ABA/National titles at 3 successive weights in 3 consecutive years? I believe he is the only one. You mug him off, but he was quality. I'm not even a fan of Calzaghe but I admire just how difficult it was to beat him.

It amazes me how uneducated some yanks are well it doesn't but how bitter they can be and so ignorant of pure historical facts . Go to any list for supermiddleweights and you see Joe tops most if not all and yes above Andre ward . I can think this bitterness stems from the fact he beat their beloved Jones Jr and Hopkins they cant stand it so use every excuse possible but then forget that Roy Jones was on a winning streak going into that fight with a win over Felix Trinidad and Hopkins would win a world title after losing to Joe not bad for a bunch of washed up fighters and let's also forget that calzagjes hand were shot and he was forced to retire after these bouts, let's forget that tho let's pretend Joe was in his prime eh😂

@@mickdomingo7276 I agree mate, there will always be unanswered questions though as there was some great fights that could of been made but that’s boxing and still happens today…. The best don’t always fights the best !!

BHop was an oddity who peaked in his 40s. Before Joe he'd just beaten Trinidad and Jermaine Taylor and a year after losing to Joe he beat the up coming Kelli Pavlick. And many years later at the age of 48 he won the WBA light middleweight title and I think it was the WBC title at 49. So it's arguable he did beat a prime Hopkins.

Spot on

Roy had put himself through so much more earning titles calzaghe could even dream of.

Age and prime aren’t mutually inclusive! The fact Roy Jones was older than Calzaghe is beside the point! Why did Calzaghe wait till 2008 to travel to the US for a big fight? I know our passport office was slow back then..but how long was his application delayed? Shall we look at all the fighters he could have fought?

@@its_rick_james_bich2575 So, why didn't Roy Jones travel to the UK ?? Why didn't Hopkins ? a fight at Cardiff against Calzaghe covered by ESPN & SKY would have been as big a fight (if not bigger) than in the US ....works both ways. Did RJJ even have a passport ?? Truth is (look it up, easy to find quotes & referances on google & TY) Roy Jones was offered the Calzaghe fight when Joe was SMW Champ, but Jones turned it down because he said the money offered for the fight it wasn't worth the risk fighting Calzaghe. Years later when Joe was undisputed & held all the belts, Jones Jr decided the risk was now worth it, for all the belts & obviously the money offered was a lot more as Calzaghe was now a much bigger name in the States. Hopkins was also offered the fight with Calzaghe , but asked for stupid money that no one was going to pay, priced himself out of the fight, wonder why ?? Again in time the money increased so like Jones, Hopkins finally took the risk & like Jones lost to Calzaghe. As for your last sentence, in boxing ....shall we look at all the fighters every fighter 'should' have fought ! Many obvious & desired fights are never made, for lots of reasons, it's just boxing.

He would def have provided Canelo a totally different proposition!

Really?

@@DavidTaylor-CCC yes

this is bull, carl was up and coming, and joe decided to fight his last 2 fights against 2 big names, frank warren is full of sh1t, joe even said this himself, he wanted 2 big names before ge retired, joe vacated

@@pb954618c lol

Sugar Ray, go back in the archives and see what a fighting man he was !!!!

@@terryduckworth5105 which one Sugar Ray Leonard or Robinson, (both legends) but I ask because if its Leonard you mean ,then I know a even though a lot of the US boxing people cuss or at least did cuss and discount Calzaghe (a lot of them have admitted a bit more that he was actually good, now as time goes on), But they would never admit it for years but did you know though that from the first time he saw Joe fight ,Sugar Ray was actually one of Calzaghes biggest fans amongst boxers, analysts and other people in the business , and defended Joe against a lot of people who didn't like or understand Calzaghes style, saying he would have had a problem fighting him, because he recognised in him some of what he had once in himself, (Now maybe he was just being nice but he was very complimentary about Calzaghes especially when compared to other people who have been given g.o.a.t status for doing less 🙄💨 Ward Because if you aren't American then some people still won't believe or admit some things 🤷 🤔 , I have seen Sugar Ray numerous times praising Joe Calzaghe, and likewise the other way around I have seen Joe say a lot of times that one of his favourite boxers is Sugar Ray Leonard as well you are right as well he was one of the baddest men ever and came out on top of one of , if not the greatest triangles in boxing history between himself, Marvin Hagler and Tommy Hearns💯😎✌👊

@@davidwatkins8395 I was talking about Robinson 🤷‍♂️

@@davidwatkins8395 I don't think the American pundits liked Joes slapping style . But if he had broken his hands repeatedly then it just makes Joe even more special that he managed to win with both his hands damaged which are a fighters weapons

Joe wasn't in his prime, his hands had been broken and mangled 3 or 4 times. He admitted himself he couldn't punch anymore!

Why?

Yawn he fought him when he fought him and you, I and nobody can say for certain who would've won so will it ever be anything but conjecture? Try focus your energy on future fights vs. improvable fantasy

@@sjay7292 it was pretty clear after Jones lost to Tarver the first time, he wasn't the same fighter. Jones was getting KO a lot and by the time he fought Calzaghe he was shot. However, Calzaghe's fite with Hopkins was better and close. But greatest boxer or British boxer ever? Nah. Not even close.

@@wo7925 that's true and agree. I agree he was passed his best. I have no way of agreeing or otherwise he would've beaten Joe earlier (in the same way we don't know if Jones in Calzaghes era would've trained the same, boxed the same or even ended up in the boxing gym at all. It's a meaningless chat - you can only measure up a past boxer against who they fought. Maybe if Xerox launched the first graphical user interface PC they designed (that Apple copied) Xerox would've been world's largest company now. They didn't, so does anyone care? Not me

@@sjay7292 Prime RJJ would run through prime Calzaghe

@@TimmyTurner421 I'll leave you to debate it ad infinitum - enjoy!

Yet got 46.0 sure your not Carl frochs cousin?

Your the only person I have ever heard say he was boring to watch

In your opinion.

Is this Froch's burner account

All facts though my friend. Eubank even had to drop a weight division to fight ordinary Joe as he was scheduled to box at light heavyweight.

Calzaghe was 36 only four years 😂 going on like 20 years difference

4 years for Jones & 7 years for Hopkins. I’m not debating the age difference (which can still make a difference) but wins against a 40 year old Jones & 43 year old Hopkins doesn’t hold the weight it would beating s 30 year old Jones or a 33 year old Hopkins & it feels like Calzaghe is judged on beating prime Jones & Hopkins. Jones was probably shot in his early 30s & Hopkins lost it a little later at 40 when he lost twice to Jermaine T however wasn’t as shot at 43 as Jones was at 40 (probably due to styles/life style)

Who knows calzaghe done to roy what roy did to others . Swear to god Carl the crotch froch must have 11teen KZfaq accounts 😂