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How Speedrunners Make It Look Easy
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5 жыл бұрынWhat do elite pianists, world record speedrunners, and Tiger Woods all have in common? Performing their craft is completely second nature to them. Zoning out and allowing muscle memory to take over helps them make incredible performances look easy. In this episode of Psych of Play, featuring interviews from Mario Odyssey speedrunner Nicroeda and Celeste runner Msushi, we'll take a deeper look at the psychological phenomena known as automaticity.
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Games Shown:
Super Mario Odyssey (2017) - Nintendo
Super Mario Brothers (1985) - Nintendo
Celese (2017) - Matt Makes Games
Portal 2 (2011) - Valve Corporation
Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door (2004) - Intelligent Systems, Nintendo
Need for Speed Payback (2017) - Ghost Games
Movies/TV shown
Your Lie in April (2015) - A-1 Pictures
Whiplash (2014) - Bold Films
Creed (2015) - Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures
Shine (1997) - South Australian Film Corporation
La La LAnd (2016) - Summit Entertainment
Good Will Hunting (1997) - Miramax Films
Music Sources:
Funk Drum Loop 80 BPM - Golden Guitarman
Funk Bass Tracking Track - Quist
Horse Riding Day - Breath of the Wild Soundtrack
Horse Riding Night - Breath of the Wild Soundtrack
A Robot Meets the tree of life - Ben Prunty
Voltaic Fluctuations - Ben Prunty
Dismantled - Ben Prunty
Research Sources:
scholar.harvard.edu/files/dwe...
www.frontiersin.org/articles/...
www.intropsych.com/ch07_cognit...
www.psych.utoronto.ca/users/pe...
Welcome to Daryl Talks Games
Hi! I’m Daryl, and on this channel I explore the intersection between video games, psychology, and real life.
I’ve talked about how Pokemon and the Generation Effect can make you a better student. I’ve made a video on why game developers really should understand functional fixedness. And I’ve interviewed some of the best speedrunners on Earth to find out how exactly they make setting world records look so easy.
Primacy and Recency, subconscious associations, classical conditioning, divergent thinking, amnesia (the disorder not the game), if its psychological concept that relates to games, I’ve probably talked about it before or will in the future. But to be clear, psychology isn’t all I talk about. Every now and then I’ll dabble in a little bit of game design and sometimes I’ll just talk about life and how games really can make it better... and for some people are the best way to relate to the world around us.
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#PsychofPlay
@user-gi1pk7xs3q 4 жыл бұрын
"If you only saw 3 don't worry" I saw 2
@originalname8541 4 жыл бұрын
I saw -8, but that might be because I'm blind
@LaPingvino 4 жыл бұрын
Me too xD
@luisvictor4914 4 жыл бұрын
me too lol
@elheber 4 жыл бұрын
Time to worry.
@Qbe_Root 4 жыл бұрын
The one in “scientific” took me longer than the other two to notice
@4Roman204 4 жыл бұрын
"If you only saw 3 don't worry" Joke's on you, I counted S's instead of F's
@myakun830 4 жыл бұрын
What's the difference?
@smobilson1359 4 жыл бұрын
I saw 2
@WaffleCake 4 жыл бұрын
Truly a rogue
@AccessusK 4 жыл бұрын
This dude deserves an S rank
@savitrinavada2987 4 жыл бұрын
We had to count F's???
@kyubeyz_7062 4 жыл бұрын
So basically pianists have ultra instinct.
@TheEnderLeader1 4 жыл бұрын
Am pianist, can confirm
@GeekInBelgium 4 жыл бұрын
Great analogy ^^
@mybeefgotroasted 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheEnderLeader1 this is true but, we can go farther
@fumeister0992 4 жыл бұрын
@@mybeefgotroasted even further beyond
@kenicity 4 жыл бұрын
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@konakami7066 4 жыл бұрын
"a good player practices until they can get it right. A great player practices until they are unable to get it wrong"
@coyraig8332 4 жыл бұрын
But they _can_ still get it wrong
@Felixr2 4 жыл бұрын
@@coyraig8332 That's why they don't stop practicing.
@drenn. 4 жыл бұрын
agagagaga
@lolin6379 4 жыл бұрын
A good player practices 40 hours a day
@ladymarcy7830 4 жыл бұрын
@@lolin6379 ...
@bgiv2010 4 жыл бұрын
"...when our minds want to just *read*, like we usually do..." ... I found all six Fs but now I suddenly feel illiterate.
@pencils7351 4 жыл бұрын
I was focused cuz I've been tricked by that before and found all 6 as a result, tho I did rewind it to read the sentence. I have a high reading level so I know it's just my brain wanting to be the best at random things, like my Morse code obsession last summer resulting in fluency
@bgiv2010 4 жыл бұрын
@@pencils7351 we are alike
@judgment5090 4 жыл бұрын
Dude, i read so often that my brain blacks out and i have to go back and reread something... i think i might have found the cause now
@sahiru7973 4 жыл бұрын
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@Chemdawg0360 4 жыл бұрын
F
@lynchie2073 4 жыл бұрын
this is exactly what happens with rhythm games, theres a commonly remarked upon phenomenon where you score well when you are totally zoned out, like your brain is empty. then as soon as you have a coherent or conscious thought, you stuff up and lose your place in the song
@anlumo1 5 жыл бұрын
I'm a programmer and I also have this kind of flow, but without any physical activity. When I code, I don't see the lines of text, I see the structure behind the code, and I think in abstractions. It's not just the physical typing that's automatic (many people have that, like book authors and secretaries). This makes it hard for me to teach people programming. I'm talking concepts while they're still stuck on forgetting to place a ; or ). However, I've impressed a lot of them in the past by looking at their whole page of code and pointing to their typing error in less than a second. It's like seeing a speck of dirt on a white wall for me.
@TheOobo 5 жыл бұрын
This is super cool! There's a crazy number of places you can apply this concept. I'm a competitive Smash player and a pianist, and this video made me realize I do the same overlearning-chunking-abstraction-thing in each despite the completely different actions I'm taking.
@DarylTalksGames 5 жыл бұрын
Holy crap that's fascinating. So you've chunked the actual text all the way to a higher conceptual level, which probably means even when are aren't at the keyboard you are stringing code together hypothetically in your mind huh?
@anlumo1 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, more than one idea was born while I was sitting on the toilet.
@corriedotdev 5 жыл бұрын
i am also a programmer, one of my best selling games was hypithesised on the toilet. I wrote all the code in my mind in about 10 minutes and structured it on pc... or wrote on pc and structured on toilet. For what its worth, this is the cool part of coding.
@KingSlendy 4 жыл бұрын
As another programmer myself I can relate
@GeekInBelgium 4 жыл бұрын
I have to admit, once you get over the feeling of frustration of failure and manage to enter the zone, it's one of the most wonderful feelings I've ever had, right on par with intimacy with someone you love. You don't exist anymore, only the game exists. This feeling is addictive though, and I can't really explain why quitting it by lack of time makes me so miserable. Support your speedrunners, it's important.
@Messilegend1000 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. Thats what it feels to love someone? I am a speedrunner on Hitman, and I obviously I never loved a girl. I would love to know what it feels like, if you explain.
@tessavergissmeinnicht5142 3 жыл бұрын
@@Messilegend1000 We will never know
@WaffleCake 4 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one that didn't actually read the sentence and just scanned for F's?
@DuskyPanther13 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I do the same thing with the "read the actual colour of the text" cards. Can't go wrong if I'm not reading your text bitch >:)
@Kryxx07 4 жыл бұрын
I also just scanned, but still only counted 3. =)
@nevreiha 4 жыл бұрын
i didn't process what the sentence said, hope it wasn't important
@ununun9995 4 жыл бұрын
selective attention. Did you see the gorilla though?
@MadDog7k 4 жыл бұрын
Scanned, took my time. Still got 3...
@Mickspad 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like this video also applies to Fighting games as well and how the actual actions top level players take will just be second nature, and the parts mainly occupying their conscious stream of thought is what their opponent is going to do rather than what they themselves are going to do during a match
@arnerademacker8548 4 жыл бұрын
Mickspad Can attest. You start thinking in moves and combos rather than individual button presses.
@Atlessa 4 жыл бұрын
It applies to gaming in general. You think 'jump'. You do *not* think 'I have to move my right thumb down a quarter inch and apply .2 pounds of force to the plastic that will then depress a contact to close a circuit in the controller so the game registers the press of the B button and then executes the [jump] action in the game's code.' .... and even that sentence can probably be subdivided even further.
@greyrifterrellik5837 6 ай бұрын
For soulcalibur 6, at least, I've found myself in a weird state when it comes to this, where I seem to develop in the wrong order entirely. I reach "think of it in terms of the action, not the inputs" after just a short while. But ANAPs are *rampant* when I play; knowing intuititively how to do the things, but struggling to ever recognize the CORRECT action for that moment. It's like someone who set up macros in an MMO but forgot to label them and so clicks the wrong one on a regular basis.
@Miterosan 4 жыл бұрын
osu! is 100% automatisimy. Everything described here is exactly the same as the experience playing osu!.
@axlesan4934 4 жыл бұрын
i cant agree more, i thoght i get to old to play osu! but the movments are still saved in the muscle memory. and i am @ a point where i dont think about the movment, just catch the fruit hyperdash and so on...
@gordonfreemanthesemendemon1805 4 жыл бұрын
osu is the type of game where you can only fc when thinking about a video you watched 4 hours ago
@Cublex 4 жыл бұрын
This isn't just osu!, it's all rhythm games. Low difficulties teach you the controls and mechanics, medium difficulties teach you the patterns, hard difficulties put that to the test.
@java9757 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen people play that and always wondered how
@jager2754 3 жыл бұрын
@@java9757 we Just Develop ultra instinct
@pokelolmc6826 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve studied Japanese for six years and I am like this with reading sentences with familiar kanji. Kanji (Chinese characters) are used in Japanese sentences, and you start learning them after you learn the Japanese phonetic “alphabet” (hiragana/katakana), which is used alongside kanji in individual sentences. As a beginner, you’ll read a sentence with kanji words written in hiragana readings (no kanji at all), then you learn sentences with the word written in kanji instead of hiragana, and the readings in hiragana are written above/below the kanji to remind you what the word/reading is (called “furigana”). Eventually, I just get used to reading the kanji so much (with or without furigana) that seeing or reading another sentence with the same kanji word written totally in hiragana becomes confusing and jarring for me. Japanese doesn’t normally use spaces in between words (when it does, it’s because it was picked up from foreign, probably Western, languages), so strings of constant hiragana don’t have any breaks to help you identify individual words. Kanji are not only distinctive in appearance from hiragana, but each individual character has a meaning on its own and can represent entire words (or, can do so in compound combinations with only a few other kanji) - a word that takes four or more characters worth of space in hiragana could only take up one or two in kanji. So, in a sentence, kanji serve a role of chunking up a string of characters in a sentence by breaking up the garble of endless hiragana and katakana visually into sections, as well as helping you identify individual words more easily. With familiar kanji I’m used to, even complex compounds, I just understand them automatically as I read over them in a flow state...but read it over with nothing but hiragana and I’m suddenly disoriented and consciously slowing down to break up the sea of letters into familiar words. It suddenly feels long and unnecessarily convoluted.
@kurichan142 4 жыл бұрын
I myself haven't been studying for nearly as long, but that same thing happens to me! I'll see a sentence written by someone just starting off and my brain will go through the whole process of deciphering what could've possibly been written down, but if you replace whatever you can with kanji, it's second nature to read ^^;
@sachitechless 4 жыл бұрын
I wish someone had told me this sort of thing in school, the practice makes perfect motto never quite cuts this deep into the solutions, you just kinda assume cause you can recall the actions that you will get them right. It also explains say in a musical performance if you often make a wrong note you will subconciously make that same mistake over and over again. As my old music teacher would say, practice makes permanent.
@GameScoreFanfare 5 жыл бұрын
This is fantastic, great job with this one! Super well researched and kept my interest the entire time. Also that thumbnail work is *chefs kiss*
@DarylTalksGames 5 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated Mat! Glad you enjoyed! And THANK YOU, no one ever compliments the thumbnail, but I think you understand the struggle of trying to get them "just right" haha
@capture1567 4 жыл бұрын
Daryl Talks Games Just found this video, incredible job Daryl!
@AnimeFanFTW25 5 жыл бұрын
As a beginner speedrunner, this stuff is so fascinating. I never realised that thinking of segments would be better then thinking of each input. Will definitely have to remember that in the future. Great video~
@BoogieBunny 5 жыл бұрын
A cool realisation I got while watching was how hard it is to actually learn speedruns from input / button displays. Rarely do you gain more knowledge of the game by seeing what buttons are being hit as a speedrunner plays, but more from learning each term and trick by name and looks. Also, I think the road to getting to the "overlearned" level of gameplay is a very unique experience as well, I think the time it took me to learn every corner and ladder in Captain Toad Treasure Tracker will be a more memorable and challening experience than putting it all together. Phenomenal video as always! ♥
@DarylTalksGames 5 жыл бұрын
It is a unique experience isn't it? Its like your mind just starts doing things on its own and making shortcuts without you realizing it haha. Thanks so much for watching :)
@alltheclawshots4450 5 жыл бұрын
These are all really cool. Keep doing that thing with interactive activities at the beginning of each little section of your video, it really helps to understand what you're talking about if I'm consciously thinking of how it applies to me. This is a really good strategy, and I haven't seen many people do it, and even fewer people do it well, like you.
@DarylTalksGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the feedback! That's actually really comforting to hear. I've been trying to make a conscious effort to write those activities into videos, so it's great to hear that they work. Thanks for watching :)
@Nino244 4 жыл бұрын
i sometimes completely forget a period of time while cycling. I cycle the same route to school and back every day and sometimes i realise i can't remember a certain part, usually a few hunderd metres. i know i've been there, but in my head i was somewhere else entirely.
@Coty_Lee 4 жыл бұрын
I'm no virtuoso but I understand a bit of this as a guitarist. I often find myself having to replay entire sections to remember how a specific part later on went
@kurichan142 4 жыл бұрын
That happens to me *so much* when I play piano. I completely suck at reading sheet music, so I figure things out from guessing notes and chords and then hoping my brain remembers. Even with some of my best songs, I'll sing or hum along in my head to get the section right, and if I mess up too badly, I might forget what I had *just* played and have to restart from the previous checkpoint (the chorus, the intro, etc). It's still pretty fun to play quickly though~
@tpWeavile 5 жыл бұрын
im in this as a fail clip bahahaha
@DarylTalksGames 5 жыл бұрын
Hahaha hey the road to success is paved with failure, it's supposed to happen :) thanks for watching!
@tpWeavile 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks great video :)
@ahuman6083 3 жыл бұрын
F
@BobbiCodes 4 жыл бұрын
When I was studying violin I learned about "ghost playing" - a practice technique designed to break you out of relying on your muscle memory. Why? To prevent memory slips that happen to even the best players during performance, when stress and unfamiliarity tend to disrupt your unconscious flow. The practice involves going through the motions with your instrument but not actually making any sound, which forces you to actually think about what you are doing.
@justinhamilton8647 4 жыл бұрын
That’s fascinating! I’ve been playing guitar for 14 years but never learned anything like this during lessons
@han-huo 4 жыл бұрын
Yo, I need to learn this with piano, there are simple mistakes I make, so it would be amazing if I could do things like that.
@theaninova 4 жыл бұрын
Some times in Beat Saber on ultra fast Expert+ I have these moments where I find myself more in a 3rd person kind of observing standpoint rather than playing the game myself. It’s a really weird feeling.
@envycollar 4 жыл бұрын
oddly the case for most rhythm games
@johnfrancis89 4 жыл бұрын
@@envycollar I love those moments when you think "Woah, I'm doing really well. How the fuck am I doing this?"
@samwilson8067 4 жыл бұрын
It also applies to speedcubing! (If you don’t know, that’s competitive Rubik’s cube solving) Speedcubers don’t think in individual rotations, they think in sections they need to solve, and because they practice so much they can solve those sections in an instant with almost minimal effort. If you have the time go watch a video or two on speedcubing and then try it yourself. It’s harder than it looks
@Starwarp02 4 жыл бұрын
“speddrunning is semi automatic” glad it won’t get banned then
@hayleyscomet3447 4 жыл бұрын
I'm fucking dead
@Devyn_LV 4 жыл бұрын
Had a full auto Uzi for 4 years. Was fun but I'd waste so much ammo when I went shooting in the desert, ended up selling the parts of it until it was no more and bought myself a Mosin, Zastava and Mossberg. Either way it is not viable to use a full auto anyway and when I was in the military I was always on semi or burst fire on very rare occasions when I was carrying the M4.
@pwnagetacos 4 жыл бұрын
honestly
@x_Xith_x 4 жыл бұрын
Whoa looking cool joker
@daedreaming6267 4 жыл бұрын
@@Devyn_LV It's more the fact that you had nothing as a brace for the recoil in the Uzi. Those things even in burst fire are horrid to shoot (just a quick trigger pull instead of holding down, I've yet to see one with an actual burst-fire switch). I've shot a few fully-auto ak's and those were far better in terms of accuracy. Over all though I do recommend semi/burst for practicality and fully auto for just balls-to-the-wall fun.
@goju09alt9 4 жыл бұрын
I was to busy looking for Double "of"s
@themlgenius124_2 4 жыл бұрын
*too
@banksy7376 4 жыл бұрын
"so....this is the power of ultra instinct"
@hellohowareyou9745 4 жыл бұрын
"If you only saw 3 don't worry" I saw 3... but my brain said "4" because reasons.
@xrefed 4 жыл бұрын
Your bad luck dude
@han-huo 4 жыл бұрын
Same!! What coincidence, so far this KZfaq comment section seems to have been built for me.
@milktea3710 4 жыл бұрын
your last bit about creativity totally applies to creating drawings and writings too. sometimes it frustrates me trying to write dialogue in one sitting, or sometimes im trying to sleep and suddenly i thought of a whole scene that could make my whole writing. it’s like... the shower thoughts.
@orngjce223 4 жыл бұрын
So, I'm a classically trained pianist. Classically trained means that from the age of 5 to the age of 13, I learned and memorized how to play increasingly complex pieces of music. I was learning to read sheet music at the same time I was learning to read words. I am actually several years out of practice now - being able to sightread, and to automatically ask my hands to do scales and arpeggios, isn't there anymore - but what I _have_ kept is the higher level music theory instinct. I can name every single note with perfect pitch, and instinctually recognize intervals and key signatures; my sense of rhythm remains stellar, even to the point where I can still vaguely tell the bpm of a song from just hearing it; and my ability to harmonize given only a single line of melody and no other information regularly impresses people. This is because all these skills can be practiced by actively listening to and picking apart music, which I can do without any equipment or preparation. I often describe this ability to instinctually understand the deep structure of music as being almost like seeing colors and shapes in a painting: there are some colorblind people who can't do colors, and I seem to have an absurdly good ear for "music colors" where I can take two or three tubes of paint and know exactly how much of them to mix to get the color I want. This is especially interesting when I try to discuss things like chord progressions and harmonies. I have an instinctual understanding of the way harmonies are "supposed" to be. When someone's cover or remix of a song has a different chord progression, it's as obvious as if someone painted a tree in the wrong color. I am apparently fine with the melody being different, but the harmony being different is just... _wrong_.
@D4n21 4 жыл бұрын
This channel is SO UNDER RATED!! Your content here is stellar. Just the right length and so interesting!
@StewartMillarTheManCave 5 жыл бұрын
Really interesting and well put-together video, deserves a bigger audience
@FBracht 5 жыл бұрын
I love your stuff, man. Your videos are always interesting and entertaining, and your delivery... delivers. You have in me a subscriber for as long as you’re making videos!
@DarylTalksGames 5 жыл бұрын
I can't tell you how much I appreciate that my man, thank you so much for the support!
@quillllly 4 жыл бұрын
I've watched two of your videos and I already feel better at everything. These always have some really useful lesson in them.
@spencer1531 4 жыл бұрын
This was fantastic, and all the interview quotes were especially interesting.
@naenoart 5 жыл бұрын
Such a great video! I love that you even talked to speedrunners! I have so much respect for them, their dedication is incredible. Just like your dedication to making interesting, insightful and entertaining content! You're one of my fav gaming related youtubers, your videos are a treat~!
@DarylTalksGames 5 жыл бұрын
Oh me too! Its amazing what they do, and I feel like they don't get the attention or recognition they deserve. Thanks for the kind words as always :)
@a-aron3847 4 жыл бұрын
As a Pianist/percussionist/light speedrunner, I can say that automaticity is super useful for all of my hobbies. "Getting into the zone" is exactly what happens for all of these where I stop thinking and just do the thing I'm trying to do. Super cool to be able to describe this with this video, thanks for making it!
@lucariojet 3 жыл бұрын
11:20 - I love how you can literally see the moment he realizes he doesn't remember he hit the shot
@cbakehorn 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love your videos. This content is the kind of stuff I've always wanted to read more about in gaming magazines and on websites...just the psychological and subconscious aspects of gaming.
@MyLittleWalrus 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! I have been wanting Mark Brown (my favorite game design youtube channel) to make a video about speedrunning for a long time, but you just hit it out of the park. I can totally relate to what you and the quotes from the featured speedrunners said about automaticity and things becoming second nature. I am currently second place in New Super Mario Bros., and previously held the world record for two years. There have been times where I'm focusing on talking to my Twitch chat more than I am on playing the game, and suddenly I'm in World 8 ahead of my personal best. And I have said multiple times something like "I don't know if I'll be gaining or losing time here; I wasn't really paying attention". I can also relate to automaticity because I played music for 11 years of my life from 1st grade to senior year of high school. I remember being in the All-State Band auditions about to play the audition piece I had been practicing for the past couple months and just... letting go. Not focusing on every note played, and letting the music flow. I found it best to not concentrate 100%; to let muscle memory take over. Anyway, this video was great. Looking at the other videos on your channel, I think a great topic for a Forging the Level video would be how to design a game with speedrunning in mind. Whether it be simple things like skipping cutscenes and having a dedicated speedrun mode like Celeste, or more general things like having interesting movement mechanics. Snoman Gaming made a video on the subject ( kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d8uTg8SHmq2meZ8.html ), but I think you could do a better job. If you need help researching for a video like that, I know of a lot of people who could give you tips on what makes a good game for speedrunning.
@DarylTalksGames 5 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks so much! I'm happy to hear this resonated with you, and I can tell that you certainly understand what automaticity feels like haha. Thats a really fun idea, I might have to do a little more research and see if that's a video I could pull off. It definitely sounds interesting, so thank you for the idea and kind words!
@egggyweggy3112 4 жыл бұрын
Wow! This is so interesting. The zoning out/gaps in my memory happen all the time when I play softball. I'll sometimes forget a hit or making a play. Especially the specific instance of catching/hitting the ball. This video and the few others I've watched are excellent, you've certainly earned yourself a sub. Keep it up!
@odde_617 4 жыл бұрын
As a novice speedrunner, I get these aoutopilot-moments. I am not normally really fast. I often do little hickups and small fails every 10 seconds, but sometimes I just get these aoutopilot-moments where I just do everything perfectly,but I only remember seing the gold split or looking at the timer and realising that I did the segment super fast. ( Sorry for bad english)
@u53rnam38 4 жыл бұрын
No need to say sorry, your English is really good!
@crude-dude 4 жыл бұрын
I was familiar with the topic and thought I wasn’t going to enjoy this video. Awesome watch, you really broke into the topic and broadened the discussion to a degree I wasn’t expecting.
@D0ubleRadiation 5 жыл бұрын
Currently watching your videos in order and I must say, you make some amazing stuff with a really great insight on each and every subject you touch. It is fascinating. Thank you for the amazing content. I have now more than Mark Brown to anticipate each month!
@DarylTalksGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for that! I'm a huge GMTK fan as well, so I know how you feel haha. It's hard to come across channels at that level of quality, so thanks so much for even comparing my stuff to his :)
@D0ubleRadiation 5 жыл бұрын
@@DarylTalksGames Well, I can feel the influence of his work in yours. But indeed I wouldn't compare you both if there was nothing similar ahah. But seriously, I like how, like him, you go deep into the less known aspects of game design and really make them easy to understand with a very in-depth analysis on the subject. Very few channels have such interesting and unique content.
@DutchDread 4 жыл бұрын
Recognize this from playing stepmania (dance dance revolution), at first, I needed full attention to be my best, then eventually, as I got to such a level where people really started being in disbelief over it, it started to slowly change to where I could only perform while not really thinking about it, by letting the entire stream of arrows just enter my mind and let my body react accordingly, as soon as I snapped out of that and actually tried to understand what I was doing I'd suddenly no longer be able to keep up.
@MooMooStrats 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I enjoyed the attention you brought to how someone gets skilled at a complicated action they themselves cannot always explain to others.
@misterj752 5 жыл бұрын
Daryl kills it again with another great video. I truly love your content man!
@DarylTalksGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks a ton Jesse!
@nosumako 4 жыл бұрын
This video really made me think about me, and a lot of other rhythm game players. Because sometimes while playing you don't even feel like you are playing. You just do it, and a lot of times I wonder how did I play what I just played. Very great video!
@smk7500 4 жыл бұрын
This is a great vid, I hope to see this get more popular. I find it so interesting how we automatically make shortcuts in our heads for everything we do. While typing this I don’t even have to think which letters I have to type, I just automatically think of them as words and type them out without hesitation. Not anything like “move your left finger to the bottom row on the keyboard and press x” to jump.
@CurtisJensenGames 5 жыл бұрын
Makes me want to speedrun something! Good video man!
@billy120745 3 жыл бұрын
Hey DTG, I just found your channel and I love your content. I’m a classically trained musician who still performs occasionally, but also a high level engineer and have got into speed running Celeste (badly) over the past year and your breakdown is 100% on point. In my case the brain works really well on routinizing for task efficiency (I was waiting for you to discuss chunking), which helps with playing music, games, and analysis. My work is such that the downfalls of automaticity in low-chance-high-repetition errors are exacerbated so I’ve got insight on both ends of the spectrum. Work even presents the same sentence as an example of that pitfall! So the phenomena you describe is intuitively correct per my experience and the way you pose your hypothesis is very well rounded and coherent argument. Top notch work, this is S tier content, something I don’t say lightly. Keep up the amazing work! TL;DR this kinda content makes my brain feel good hahaha
@TheRageng 4 жыл бұрын
I love the way you write. You make a dull topic sound so much more interesting!
@arikonfire 4 жыл бұрын
I like how you used the movie and anime clips with near perfect context.
@takemetoyonk 4 жыл бұрын
Playing up to the middle of Celeste's DLC made me realise my human potential lol. It was very inviting to do the extreme
@deltonulrich2476 4 жыл бұрын
Really enjoying this series, keep up the great work!
@theenemy333 4 жыл бұрын
That section by section instead of keystroke by keystroke analogy applies perfectly to playing rhythm games at a high level. It's crazy to see things I've noticed from playing rhythm games finally being explained discreetly.
@wolfowow 4 жыл бұрын
i've heard a lot of drummers use the terms "hard focus" vs "soft focus," where hard focus is when they're consciously thinking about playing the drums and keeping the beat steady, and soft focus is letting themselves space out and just play. everyone seems to agree that it's much easier to play when you stay in soft focus, and hard focus is when most drummers mess up. it's interesting to see how that same concept ties into video games
@Quazey 5 жыл бұрын
I consciously notice this whenever I boot up Osu!. Letting my mind wander off and allowing my eyes and hands work the song out on their own often leads to better results, or at the very least to less stressful gameplay. This video was intriguing, that F's example caught me off guard! I really did only count 3. I also love seeing any mention of Celeste, beautiful game for both casual play and well designed for speedrunning and minmaxing play
@DarylTalksGames 5 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear this resonated with you! Also pumped that the "F" example worked, when I'm editing and seeing it over and over it starts to feel obvious hahaha, so thanks for the feedback :)
@TomtiTycoon 4 жыл бұрын
This is super great information! Thank-you!!! It will help me better prep my dance students for their first competitions!
@LeonIsLate 5 жыл бұрын
I love these kinds of videos and you do it really well
@DarylTalksGames 5 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks K K! Much appreciated :)
@diegocastillo6470 4 жыл бұрын
I've seen just two of your videos and they're absolute gold!!
@danielsjohnson 4 жыл бұрын
This is similar to the feeling of flow I get in when I'm playing a music rhythm game. If I get into the zone then decide to take conscious control while in the middle of a difficult song on expert I will be more likely to mess up.
@stonii8385 4 жыл бұрын
"if you only solved 3 don't worry that's perfectly normal" What about me? I only solved 2.
@Kaiwala 4 жыл бұрын
Consider yourself special :D
@clashcrafter 4 жыл бұрын
Same...
@mpsSalvadorian 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry son, we are enrolling you in special education classes.
@MisterAppleEsq 4 жыл бұрын
I got 4, I saw one of the ofs but not the other 2 lol.
@graemedouglas4279 5 жыл бұрын
Great content dude. Channel deserves more attention!
@DarylTalksGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@ThoolooExpress 4 жыл бұрын
So glad to hear I'm not the only one that will randomly forget his keybindings in the middle of a match once in a while
@galileacarmona6254 4 жыл бұрын
"If u only saw 3 dont worry" Blind: *ah yes perfect vision*
@Mayrink. 5 жыл бұрын
Just marathoned all your videos, you deserve more subs! Good editing, tight script, smooth voice, interesting topics, well researched, just great stuff overall. Shoutouts to r/speedrunning for introducing me to you. Set up a patreon, yo!
@DarylTalksGames 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! Potentially a Patreon on the way :)
@funbrand5215 4 жыл бұрын
That actually makes a lot of sense. When I was in band in middle school, my director explained that we were great musicians and that when we played a hard piece, we can get through the hard parts perfectly some of the times. However he explained that in order to be really good and to be at the level he wanted us to, instead of being able to play it perfectly 1/10 of the time, he needed us at 11/10, meaning we can play it perfectly every time without fail and know that the next time we can replicate it. It gave me perspective on where I needed to take my practice further
@marxtheenigma873 2 жыл бұрын
Oh boy I've got a story. Played the original Spyro games. The speedway levels in them. Looking back now, I probably could have changed this in the settings, but pushing up on the control stick made Spyro fly down and vice versa. So I got this drone and tried to fly it. Crashed immediately because even so many years later my muscle memory still remembered Spyro Speedways.
@tinyninja7716 4 жыл бұрын
This is very well put together
@cubiccalico5019 4 жыл бұрын
man why am i gonna be the only one who got the Ofs but missed the f in Scientific
@coffin7904 4 жыл бұрын
Thats a great way to think!
@Atlessa 4 жыл бұрын
I missed the Ofs AND the f in scientific... Meaning I counted 2. xD
@mollysandera991 4 жыл бұрын
I only missed the first of. Damnit!
@underdrow5572 4 жыл бұрын
You're not the only one who got the ones in "of" but not in "scientific", because that's exactly what I got/missed too
@heyblasty8614 4 жыл бұрын
Glad I found this video, as a no-hit runner I can certainly relate to this, in my experience I've used automaticity to bring consistency in certain areas of a run that if I focused or put thought into the situation would lead to a hit and so letting my subconscious take control could yield the best results and then there are those moments where I would have to consciously take control in areas where I would have to assess the situations and improvise in which I call "Improv encounters", since there are many possibilities a situation could end up the focus is needed for those moments. The challenge is when doing boss fights, to prevent myself from being in a tough spot I switch between automaticity and focus and I even use them in tandem constantly, that is because there are moments where I need to be aware of positioning and planning out my next move while I'm subconsciously evading attacks and so relying on automaticity to take a lot of tasks of my shoulders while I deal with bigger issues which is really good, the problem I found is when I'm in the "wondering state" which for me is the furthest state from being focus. Automaticity is actually in between these 2 states for me and so when I start wondering it affects my automaticity greatly. In a boss fight, I have to consciously be aware of what state I'm in so if I ever start wondering I could bring myself back to automaticity which to be honest is pretty hard to do sometimes, I regularly check to prevent myself from wondering or even getting focused and the reason is that there are attacks that I can't consciously react in time but subconsciously I can due to hours of repetition and practice...... if I see the move my hands just react accordingly.
@TheGreatBackUpVIDEOS 4 жыл бұрын
I find this quite interesting as a speedrunner since I can't recall ever "zoning out" at any point, I admit the games I run are a LOT shorter so the mental exhaustion doesn't ruin the run (Although it ruins my ability to think for the rest of the day.) but even though I know all the tricks I don't just black out and find myself at the next part. I've actively thought "Okay, I need to jump at this angle thennnn GLIDE!" or "I need to drop kick one guy with the gun (Trying to spot the 2 with guns) then use the item on the other gunman before I start punching the first, then press O when the melee guy runs at me." Sure it's following a routine but I'm still actively thinking about the actions I'm taking ...Since I know nobody is going to know the game by that description it's Batman Begins, I'm the WR holder (on PS2, emu runs) if you go to Speedrun. com. (Easy and Normal difficulty.) TL;DR: I've never had a moment where it just happened, as nice as it'd be to not have to think about certain parts.
@legrandliseurtri7495 4 жыл бұрын
I think I somehow got a world record for one level for time attack mode in Donkey kong country returns.
@showler1132 4 жыл бұрын
I love your videos man, keep it up
@yqafree 4 жыл бұрын
This is great! Nice video!
@BaileyP2SR 5 жыл бұрын
Oh man I remember talking to msushi after his interview and being super excited to watch this video but I forgot all about it until now! Really interesting stuff and something I’ve noticed when speedrunning now. My last 3 PBs actually were done while I was also singing and kinda half focusing on the game. Anyways, great work with this video was very well done and it’s nice to put a name to that experience
@DarylTalksGames 5 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching :)
@heretichazel 4 жыл бұрын
4:26 that's very true, I'm definitely no elite pianist but that's how my mind splits up the songs I play, and it's also much easier for me to start at the beginning of one of those sections rather than in the middle of one
@crossbow170 4 жыл бұрын
You pointed something out that I never knew that I did in a lot of activities. I am a musician and when you said "Pianists group clumps of notes together" My initial reaction was, "Well, duh.", but then I really started to thin about it and I never realized how many other things I do just like that. Even down to just typing words in this comment there are some words that you just instinctively know how to type and don't even think about it. It's pretty neat.
@soggybaguette8457 4 жыл бұрын
As a pianist, I totally get this. This is such a cool concept, and I never thought of connecting it to my piano practice. I really like way you connected this to everything in life.
@coyote2733 4 жыл бұрын
The fun part of ANAPs are being in the middle of a performance, just blank out, and when that happens and you’re too far into the autonomy that you just sit on stage for 3 and a half minutes before you can remember what note to play
@yeezkneezz6861 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome channel man
@kappamiye 4 жыл бұрын
This video is great ! The section by section thing is also very common in fighting games. You always learn combos in chunks because you have to react quickly and automatically to a human opponent. Learning combos is pretty much impossible if you think about input, chunks are very important.
@redwarrior2963 4 жыл бұрын
Your channel is underrated. You deserve more views imo.
@niftytalks 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video!
@meister5870 4 жыл бұрын
One of the most underrated chanels on KZfaq.
@Kryxx07 4 жыл бұрын
Phenomenal video! Instant sub.
@shadowdragoon5 3 жыл бұрын
This was very cool stuff!
@sweetegg 5 жыл бұрын
Found you on reddit, your video's are of really good quality. Your voice is nice to listen to, I subscribed.
@DarylTalksGames 5 жыл бұрын
Glad to have you on board! Thank you so much :)
@candarudriemor2260 4 жыл бұрын
This would explain why taking a walk or doing another rote activity is so effective in breaking down a writer's block!
@enemdisk6628 4 жыл бұрын
I really liked how you made the comparison to performing music.
@lennaerthondelink9135 3 жыл бұрын
That stuff about ideas just suddenly coming to people Most times I have that is when whatever I'm thinking about is not fully unrelated to what the idea is about nor is it when thinking about the thing the idea is about, but rather when it's just barely connected to it, just that one connection that allows the idea to pop into my mind
@MrBlinglord 5 жыл бұрын
Dude, your voice is so perfect I’m subbing right now
@DarylTalksGames 5 жыл бұрын
Glad to have you on board!
@Dabestbro. 5 жыл бұрын
This is really good content! love it :)
@smileyjojo4913 4 жыл бұрын
Also its awesome how having skills in video games is actually recognized and praised by people now. Its amazing that we can make a legitimate career out of a passion that used to be so niche and looked down upon.
@davidliimatta3684 4 жыл бұрын
I've noticed stuff like this all the time in melee. It's really cool to see it explained in a vid like this.
@MattMcT Жыл бұрын
Dude your content should be in every school. Thank you for your work. And also, you should check out the winter Olympic sliding sports - especially luge. It may be the penultimate automaticity activity, as at a high level, world champs are famous for finding the balance of extreme focus/precision/zone mentally speaking, but coupled with a necessary physiological dead weight / hyper-relaxed state physiologically speaking. To go fast without a motor on ice, your mind needs to think about physics, momentum and spherical geometry, while your body works as a sort of shock absorber to keep the steels on the ice and minimize any non-forward movement. And lastly, in the unique case of doubles luge, the back person has to do all of that without being able to see anything. So bottom doubles athletes are unusually strong in an automaticity sense. HMU if you want to know more! Oh snap - quick edit here after seeing the end with tiger…. In luge you cannot forget what you just did. Like if you do, the athlete is referred to as a “dopey” slider, which is an advantage on so-called “glider tracks”. But the top career athletes, can basically hit the zone on command, detach the body (and sometimes the mind), and then recall with millimeter precision what they just did going down the hill. In my experience, the better the recall, the more medals that athlete wins. Perfect recall turns 1 run into dozens of runs, which matters for medals because practice runs are strictly limited to only a handful of runs in a World Cup race.
@gLiTcHminusone 4 жыл бұрын
God damn this channel is amazing and how did I only find this now
@JohnnoNonno 4 жыл бұрын
As a pianist i feel this deeply. Sideways made a video about this, and explained an important process too: unconscious competence it's what makes something semi-automatic, but it's very dangerous because when you "exit the flow zone" you stumble into unconscious incompetence, i.e. you don't know what you're doing wrong. Watch it if you're interested in this, it's very well written, as your videos are.
@harofax7726 4 жыл бұрын
Just discovered your channel. Love this series.
@jackyhii5655 4 жыл бұрын
The fricking music sounded so familiar and i realised it was the fricking horse riding soundtrack from zelda haha. Anywyas great video!!!!
@chocobro3198 8 ай бұрын
I defo have this when I play rhythm games. I often have no idea how in the world I perfectly play through dense rapid sections of difficult songs as I didn't really consciously register going through the motions cognitively, but my fingers just did it as if possessed, moving on their own. I often actually find myself messing up wherever I try to focus on the actual 'notes.' It's like it actually disturbs the flow. Very interesting to learn more about how it works.
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