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How Steins;Gate 0 Ruined the Tone

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Trixie the Golden Witch

Trixie the Golden Witch

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@robertork2505
@robertork2505 Жыл бұрын
my favourite part about this show is when Okabe asks ChatGPT how to survive torture !
@HxH2011DRA
@HxH2011DRA 5 жыл бұрын
Damn I forgot how lit "hacking through the gate" was
@SeralyneYT
@SeralyneYT 5 жыл бұрын
Still the weakest song in the series.
@SeralyneYT
@SeralyneYT 5 жыл бұрын
F.D.D is weaker, Uchuu Engineer is on the level of HttG.
@fjbz3737
@fjbz3737 5 жыл бұрын
The Hunter x Hunter 2011 Dickriding Association I guess you're just a casual steins;gate fan
@nemanjastankovic7200
@nemanjastankovic7200 5 жыл бұрын
Funny but I though OP song would be great (as a song I think it's pretty good) for action oriented show but this was filler hint slice of life so song is SO not good choice.
@rajsaha1888
@rajsaha1888 5 жыл бұрын
ED was better
@austinhanna8328
@austinhanna8328 5 жыл бұрын
I get the feeling the next video is gonna be about the lack of Dr Pepper in 0
@Shrooblord
@Shrooblord 5 жыл бұрын
To be honest, that, truly, is by far the worst crime against the original. How very dare they.
@epiccpotato5902
@epiccpotato5902 5 жыл бұрын
@@Shrooblord excuse you. Its DK**** Pepper. DKKKK
@norman6825
@norman6825 4 жыл бұрын
No it is dk pepper
@iced_candy343
@iced_candy343 2 жыл бұрын
@@Shrooblord nah, I still think that replacing best girl with a smartphone is the worst crime.
@amirbutcher2147
@amirbutcher2147 5 жыл бұрын
To all the VN fans: Whatever the fuck the VN had DOES NOT MATTER. The faults in book-to-movie adaptations like the Harry Potter and Hunger Games movies are not suddenly nulled just because the source material did it better. The same goes for this anime. They must be judged as separate media.
@SeralyneYT
@SeralyneYT 5 жыл бұрын
Except this is not an adaptation per say. This is a separate story meant to accompany the VN, not the same story retold. Sure, a lot of the same events take place, but it's still meant as a separate thing.
@YGOkid8
@YGOkid8 5 жыл бұрын
If they meant it as an accompanying piece to the VN, it should be clear for anyone going into the S;G0 anime. Hell I didn't even know this, until I read through comments on Digibro's first S;G0 video. Hell I didn't even watch the original S;G, I played the VN and still had no idea.
@ThePreciseClimber
@ThePreciseClimber 5 жыл бұрын
@Amir Butcher Yes, the VN does matter. You're just completely misinterpreting people's motivations. If a person believes another version of this story is better, why NOT talk about it? Why NOT bring it up? It's not like most people are using the VN to defend the anime adaptation. No, in fact, they're using it to show its own merits which in turn actually make the anime look worse, not better.
@caswellweird
@caswellweird 5 жыл бұрын
@@ThePreciseClimber sorry man, you are the one misinterpreting motivations rn. The OP's comment is directed at the plethora of people disuading Digi's criticism on unexplained points by saying its in the VN. He's absolutely right that what happens in the VN doesnt matter if you are reviewing a show on its own merits.
@LilJbm1
@LilJbm1 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah but I think it comes to people wanting to defend the story. The story doesn't have plot holes, the anime does because it fails to properly adapt the story in a coherent way. The anime was shit, I don't think the VN doing it all better changes that. But the fact that the VN properly explains these things makes me not want to completely dismiss the added story.
@aleksandra5808
@aleksandra5808 5 жыл бұрын
the weirdest think about those emojis are the fact that kurisu has one too. and so in the visual novel you sometimes see okabe using the emoji of kurisu the woman he loved and killed and who gives him ptsd but he still has an emoji with her face and uses it regularly and no one ever questions it.
@dbh1cibai
@dbh1cibai 5 жыл бұрын
3:40 "Im almost certain thay there are fans of the original show wathing this video series without having seen anything of zero who are currently looking for a gun to shoot themselves" That's me
@supersonicgamerguru
@supersonicgamerguru 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I feel personally attacked
@fjbz3737
@fjbz3737 5 жыл бұрын
People say that 0 VN's was better, and in some ways I agree, but in other ways it's just as much to blame. For example, at first I was taken aback by how I thought they had added an extra fan-service scene halfway through the show. But then it felt even worse realizing this was in the VN too. The one thing I will say that the anime does worse is it specifically focuses on the most boring stories (like Kagari).
@factionalhitman
@factionalhitman 5 жыл бұрын
yeah, though, the VN route where Kagari has Kurisu's memories would be something actually interesting.
@deathfliez627
@deathfliez627 5 жыл бұрын
True. This was more than choices of a director, this story is fundamentally broken.
@Mir_Teiwaz
@Mir_Teiwaz 5 жыл бұрын
It may not have been *much* better, but it at least answered a number of the questions that Digi had for the anime. The anime just kinda glosses over way too much.
@aeowinh
@aeowinh 5 жыл бұрын
Kagari was a wasted time and character when I see her the idea that comes was that somehow the AI of Kurisu memories will be implanted into Kagari to "revive" her. Surprise Kagari end like a weapon send by some random dude to the past to make sure they can stole the time travel machine. But what disspoint me the most is the lack of develop of Kagari, I don't care about her at all. But to be honest Steains; Gate 0 make me don't care at all about any character and I love/ hate each one from the original series...
@triplesocks
@triplesocks 5 жыл бұрын
The VN sucks just as much IMO. Badly drawn CGs, new sprites that don't have the same art style as the original's, badly utilized OST, etc.
@GermansLikeBeer
@GermansLikeBeer 5 жыл бұрын
The worst part about AI-Kurisu's "sacrifice" is that the show beats you over the head with how she isn't real and is "just a computer program" (despite all evidence to the contrary) and then still expects you to care that she's going to die. The show clearly wants to have its cake and eat it too on this one, wringing cheap emotion out of its conflict while not having to explain anything about how it makes sense.
@avdx1017
@avdx1017 5 жыл бұрын
this whole show is a damn tsundere in itself
@temporaneo617
@temporaneo617 5 жыл бұрын
Funny.... I didn't care that amadeus was dying😅
@vandervapor3577
@vandervapor3577 5 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why amadeus had to be deleted by Maho. If they had sent the mail they would have been done with it, there was no need to delete her. I still don't get it, felt forced.
@SirMonday
@SirMonday 5 жыл бұрын
Late to the party, but I don't think that it's a "having cake and eating it too" moment, I think it's the show definitively coming in on one side of the debate/controversy. On the one hand you've got Maho (and note that it's really only Maho) who repeatedly emphasizes that it's just a program, and on the other you've got Leskinen, who wants to prove it's basically a human by getting the program to love, and by the end, the show says (by emphasizing that "sacrifice" and Okabe's unwillingness to go through with it) that yes, this AI is real, and Maho is wrong.
@naranciabestboi8498
@naranciabestboi8498 3 жыл бұрын
@@SirMonday SHES A GOOD CHARACTER AND THE SHOW MAKES YOU CARE ABOUT HER DESPITE THE FACT THAT SHES AN AI THAT'S PART OF HER PRESENCE IN THE SHOW
@XaviKun
@XaviKun 5 жыл бұрын
I find it disappointing that the original show, despite being a decade old, looks noticeably better then Stein's Gate 0. 0 has a bland, watered down visual aesthetic. Even tho the series was never about flashy fights the rooftop attacks were exceptionally underanimated and poorly thought out.
@ReitheOffbeatOtaku
@ReitheOffbeatOtaku 5 жыл бұрын
The worst part is that the alternate episode 23 of the original they made to tie into SG0 looks more like the original than the rest of the show, meaning that they could've preserved more of the original's style and that this watering down was partially an artistic choice.
@XaviKun
@XaviKun 5 жыл бұрын
@@ReitheOffbeatOtaku this hurts my soul
@nillynush4899
@nillynush4899 4 жыл бұрын
totally agree
@fjbz3737
@fjbz3737 5 жыл бұрын
The reason the music was so unfitting for the anime is because it wasn't intended to be used that way. Nearly all of the tracks, and I mean that used in the ost were note for note the same ones used in the visual novel. Steins;gate's original music worked so well because most of it was crafted specifically for the anime, separate from the VN, so that the scenes could be planned with music in mind. In 0, the music is like every other element of the show: a boring slog.
@dilflordsupreme9051
@dilflordsupreme9051 5 жыл бұрын
The OG Steins;Gate literally used songs from the visual novel too......
@fjbz3737
@fjbz3737 5 жыл бұрын
Japanese Shaman Girl That's true and something I should've added, but they were maybe 1/10th of the music used in the anime
@dharmdevil
@dharmdevil 5 жыл бұрын
that's a sorry excuse. fate stay night 2006 says hi.
@fjbz3737
@fjbz3737 5 жыл бұрын
dharmdevil Me or the other guy?
@dilflordsupreme9051
@dilflordsupreme9051 5 жыл бұрын
I'm just saying they both have music used from their original visual novels AND new ones
@derpedfox
@derpedfox 10 ай бұрын
watching Steins;gate 0 first before watching Steins;gate (because my dumbass watched it on tv) made the so called 'boring' earlier part of Steins;gate really really tense, knowing what will happen in the future there's a ton of foreshadowing that you would never notice in the first watch
@pallaschto1700
@pallaschto1700 5 жыл бұрын
I like how you describe Kagari as "just plain ass" while her chest moves into the camera. That was pretty kino
@fjbz3737
@fjbz3737 5 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate how you credit the show for being good in the beginning, because you were the first big youtuber I saw who didn't say 'it's good, even if it is slow in the first half'. For example, I mean people like glass reflection (and maybe mumkey, I can't remember).
@marnsdnfois7006
@marnsdnfois7006 5 жыл бұрын
I can't remember Mumkey either.
@Hotshot2k4
@Hotshot2k4 5 жыл бұрын
I've been looking for someone trustworthy to get seasonal anime recommendations from since DemolitionD stopped uploading anime-related stuff, and man glass reflections is not it. I'm no anime connoisseur, but that guy seems to just think almost everything is good and worth watching and his recommendations just feel completely empty. I have trouble understanding how he's gotten so many subscribers. Digi can't really provide this since he seems to hate everything (although often with good reasons). Eyepatch Wolf was a real breath of fresh air and I was checking out almost every single thing he was recommending early on, but this year his deep dives were either things I've already watched, or were other media which I wasn't interested in. Exclamation Point was my new guy, but he uploads so infrequently because his videos probably take a ton of work to make. I'm starving for good anime recommendations and nobody can help me! Almost everything sounds like trash from just looking at its MAL page.
@fjbz3737
@fjbz3737 5 жыл бұрын
Hotshot2k4 I don't know, maybe try bestguyever or thepedanticromantic
@fjbz3737
@fjbz3737 5 жыл бұрын
Hotshot2k4 What anime have you seen and enjoyed?
@aeowinh
@aeowinh 5 жыл бұрын
I think that problem about good anime channels is realted with the crisis of Anime stuck with generic series almost equal between them and with really low write and animation direction. Not all are like this but the few ones that are lost in the waves of meaningless series, making harder that someone watche it.
@JSPaul49
@JSPaul49 5 жыл бұрын
To me, the worst thing about Maho is her existence. Not that she shouldn't exist, but that her existence is much like Kagari in that it was retconned. A big part of Kurisu is that she worked in a older male-exclusive environment yet still showed them up, thus the lab is her closest thing to home. Maho existing breaks that. In non-defense of 'Lintalo', Moeka and Braun got the "I was just doing what the faceless baddy wanted" sin-wiping. The only real baddy was the one-note Kurisu dad. 'Lintalo' isn't worse, Steins;Gate just has a believable villain problem.
@yekna459
@yekna459 5 жыл бұрын
When did Kurisu say she worked in an old-male exclusive lab in the original?
@cardanawandra8402
@cardanawandra8402 5 жыл бұрын
she's celeb for the young scientist. but theres no "old male"
@HeroOfJusticeYT
@HeroOfJusticeYT 5 жыл бұрын
@@yekna459 she never says that, but in the original she did make it seem like she had no actual friends in at her old lab. Describing it as "cold" when compared to the Future Gadget Lab
@aleksandra5808
@aleksandra5808 5 жыл бұрын
@@yekna459 she said it in the visual novel (don't remember if it was in the anime) when okabe and kurisu went shopping, before they threw that party for suzuha i think. she didn't say the lab was male-exclusive but she did say that the older men complained when her thesis was chosen to represent the lab, and that it wasn't a friendly place. that was the reason why kurisu got attached to okabe's lab so quickly and developed such a tough personality. so the existence of this also young, also japanese, also female scientist, who was her friend but who Kurisu failed to ever mention, breaks her entire character.
@JSPaul49
@JSPaul49 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Raito. I didn't recall the exact placement of that exposition, and you fixed a detail I flubbed.
@factionalhitman
@factionalhitman 5 жыл бұрын
3:05 I feel like the ending songs were better than the opening. Last Game and World Line was hella nice.
@SeralyneYT
@SeralyneYT 5 жыл бұрын
World-Line is really only good when you realize how much it foreshadows Anonymous;Code, to be honest.
@rep1600
@rep1600 5 жыл бұрын
As if these plebeians know what other SciAdv titles there are.
@factionalhitman
@factionalhitman 5 жыл бұрын
@@rep1600 wait, haven't I seen you somewhere before? I've only known about Robotics;Notes, Chaos;Head, and, Chaos;Child. Is Anonymous;Code new? I think I've heard about it before. Is it the one where the color palette is kidna weird?
@factionalhitman
@factionalhitman 5 жыл бұрын
@@SeralyneYT oh shit! it was that thing. I was planning in binging this, but school started for me suddenly. Word line is good, for me, because I'm a sucker for these kinda songs.
@SeralyneYT
@SeralyneYT 5 жыл бұрын
Anonymous;Code isn't released yet, sadly. I'd recommend you take a look over on the r/SteinsGate Discord server. Both rep and I are over there.
@salokin3087
@salokin3087 5 жыл бұрын
These deep deconstruction series' is digi at his best besides the hentai reviews
@sebsthexeno9460
@sebsthexeno9460 5 жыл бұрын
Link to the hentai reviews please, I need more Digi bigbraining about sexuality as a concept set to the most obnoxious moans known to the living organism.
@korisnthere
@korisnthere 5 жыл бұрын
@@sebsthexeno9460 look up Hentai Samurai account on pornhub
@sebsthexeno9460
@sebsthexeno9460 5 жыл бұрын
Will do, thanks.
@VashdaCrash
@VashdaCrash 5 жыл бұрын
I just checked this and it's real! OMFG I'm making an account just for this, his video was great.
@Fouxjin
@Fouxjin 5 жыл бұрын
Wait, are we sure that hentai samurai is digi? Is this canon?
@Zethoro
@Zethoro 5 жыл бұрын
I've been watching this entire series as you've been posting it, and, while I wasn't planning on watching 0 from the beginning, that scene of Faris groping Moeka is just...why? Just some perfect icing on top of this terrible, terrible cake, I suppose. I'll stick to just remembering Stein's;Gate fondly as one of my favorite anime in the past decade, and treat this series like it never happened.
@SeralyneYT
@SeralyneYT 5 жыл бұрын
Until you realize that half of 0's story predates the original anime.
@Shrooblord
@Shrooblord 5 жыл бұрын
I'll definitely see them as separate entities, yes. I can enjoy *parts* of 0 for a couple of reasons, but the whole will never rise to take my #1 spot for the original S;G. I'm glad I got to hear the voice actors give some more of their performance, and to see some of my favourite characters on the screen again, but it went from sheer brilliance to mediocrity pretty hard between the two series.
@emmawakefield4364
@emmawakefield4364 5 жыл бұрын
I thought you’re delivery was especially excellent in this video Digi, it’s always top tier but it was really great here and I wanted to acknowledge that
@LucyPero
@LucyPero 5 жыл бұрын
He really killed it on this video. I think his choice to start off speaking well about the original and about the director was critical. It made the contrast between the two shows very clear, and IMO, Digibro's biggest strength is analyzing why something is _good_, as illustrated in this video
@nemanjastankovic7200
@nemanjastankovic7200 5 жыл бұрын
I agree.I just saw / heard bad but this really helped me understand why. Especially characters and how they replaced them with some others.
@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster
@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster 4 жыл бұрын
They ruined the whole love relationship I liked in the original in my opinion they should of done some goddamn OVA episodes and maybe a movie and called it a day. If they make some type of season 3 they should stay away from S;G 0 in my opinion it’s ok, watchable, but nothing like the original. I wanted to like this......
@evilmadness8052
@evilmadness8052 4 жыл бұрын
I liked that they “tried” the original opening theme song is fucking great I don’t think they could of touched it and the series itself gave everyone something to like 🤔. I think they tired to hard to get things to be different and still keep somethings from the original for example the romance is something I think people wanted in this, but they killed off an important character stopping that in this that I’ll not go into. It probably would of been better if they just made some OVA episodes, maybe 5 or so, and came up something for Season 2 based off of that 🤔. I would say the original was a good 8/10 while 0 is a 4.5/10 watchable, but not like the first 😔.
@theclawyaww3740
@theclawyaww3740 5 жыл бұрын
When I saw the cat girl and the trap fighting with guns in WW3 it went from bad to laughable
@Tamamo-no-Bae
@Tamamo-no-Bae 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah I don't know why they did that. In the VN it was implied that Faris kept her catgirl character to cope but wasn't wearing Cat ears or socks. pbs.twimg.com/media/CyzUPD4WQAEK_ZO.jpg It was far more believable.
@avdx1017
@avdx1017 5 жыл бұрын
and man, that death scene, with all the cheesy sad music and shit, I literally burst into laughter
@villadavid1997
@villadavid1997 5 жыл бұрын
@@Tamamo-no-Bae That's not that worldline. In PR (and in MWC too) she wears them, despite of the war...
@Tamamo-no-Bae
@Tamamo-no-Bae 5 жыл бұрын
@@villadavid1997 It's implied she dressed similar in the WW3 worldline. We didn't actually see what any of the future characters looked like in the VN, we only saw Luka from behind, Daru and Suzuha, all the others were just described.
@villadavid1997
@villadavid1997 5 жыл бұрын
@@Tamamo-no-Bae Maybe... I don't really remember. I just remember when she films Okabe when he speaking about Operation Skuld. And then, she wears the cat ears, but that's a war period too...
@CreeperOnYourHouse
@CreeperOnYourHouse 10 ай бұрын
I disagree with a few of your assessments around the middle of the video. I recognise how your examinations is mostly from a storytelling perspective, but a lot of the connections you're describing between people makes sense if you pay attention to the actual story and not how it's told within the specific set of episodes. It makes sense for Moeka to have the rubber suit, she's still a rounder. CERN is still trying to build a time machine, even if they fail. She was a journalist in the other world line as well, where she uses it as a cover for trying to find the IBN 5100. Admittedly, researching Kagari is a horrible excuse to bring her into the fold and she would've been better off making an appearance only near the end standoff. It makes sense for Faris to still be friends with Mayuri, they're not just coworkers they're friends, just as it makes sense for her to have a connection with Okarin, because he always used to visit Mayuri, where Fayris also befriended him and Daru (if you remember the way she's introduced, it clearly shows a familiarity, even if it's a misunderstanding of Chinubyou). They'd all formed that core group before even the events of the original series. Ruka works too, as a school friend of Mayuri. It makes sense they'd do the time machine experiments in the original lab, without moving, because they know that's where it worked the first time, so even if they don't understand it they might be able to recreate it by changing as little as possible. It is near impossible to recreate, as you say, and it'll only be harder if you start changing things. And it makes sense why Daru would keep trying, because he has Suzuha over his shoulder and he's a giant cuddly pushover who would do anything for a cute girl. As for why they'd gravitate there; well, Faris doesn't like showing off her house, Daru and Okrain and pretty much every other character lives with their parents, so an apartment where nobody has anything embarrassing and is meant to be a hangout spot works perfectly. Daru is also able to pay the rent, he's been shown to have a job. From a self contained story perspective, you're right, it's a mess. Steins;gate 0 is a mess in many ways, especially the visual novels, but the one thing that I believe (almost) works (except Moeka) is the interpersonal relationships and how they tie together.
@whoevencares123
@whoevencares123 5 ай бұрын
Seeing Moeka getting lewd'ed like this makes me physically uncomfortable, especially considering all the mental and psychological shit she goes through in the original.
@uselessspectator9427
@uselessspectator9427 5 жыл бұрын
I haven't watched Steins;Gate 0 but the comments on these videos are getting a little annoying. People keep saying 'in the visual novel it happened and therefore it's fine'. Mate, I don't care about the visual novel. I intend to watch the anime... I am currently watching videos about the anime. I will be judging it on those merits. Sure, it's interesting to talk about what aspects the anime left out and maybe how it could've been improved by following the visual novel more or less but that doesn't justify bad decisions.
@comicsans1689
@comicsans1689 5 жыл бұрын
You won't miss anything from not playing the VN. The VN is absolute rubbish, and only prolongs the suffering of having to endure a glorified fan fiction of Steins;Gate. The Okinawa scene was probably the best part, which the anime chose to ignore for some reason.
@simonO712
@simonO712 5 жыл бұрын
To show a contrary opinion, I personally *loved* the VN. As for the anime I stopped watching halfway for some reason I can't recall and haven't picked it back up yet, but I mostly enjoyed the episodes I did see (though I certainly agree with them glossing over the Okinawa part being a *terrible* decision). From what I've heard of the episodes I haven't seen though, there are certain decisions I'm pretty sceptical of.
@Rafael-rn6hn
@Rafael-rn6hn 5 жыл бұрын
It's apparent that no amount of variation found in the VN will absolve the fundamental flaws pervasive in this work.
@nemanjastankovic7200
@nemanjastankovic7200 5 жыл бұрын
More like they made TV anime for all to gain popularity for ongoing promotion of animated "elite" versions of visual novels :P
@nemanjastankovic7200
@nemanjastankovic7200 5 жыл бұрын
Tell that to your mum boy lol
@mikevignola4213
@mikevignola4213 5 жыл бұрын
A series for 0 was always going to be wierd from a narrative standpoint. The storytelling in the VN is not linear, it has branching pathways. The VN of 0 is actually pretty depressing 80% of the time. Like with the original S;G the moments of levity serve to keep it from being too depressing. The issues with the Time Leap machine are simple. Okabe is the only one in that timeline that knows how it works, and he's not talking, Daru and Maho etc. don't know that the CRT is the missing piece. Moeka is a rounder in both timelines, but she was allready fired from her cover job when Okabe meets her in S;G, in 0 she managed to stay employeed. It was sad to see Maho as a typical moe in the anime, it's not really her character, she's a really serious character. Kagari however was poorly handled in the VN as well, her character development just doesn't go anywhere.
@Cocamo1337
@Cocamo1337 3 жыл бұрын
Ok, that FLCL reference "It doesn't make sense, I'm going to overflowww" made me cackle out loud and was legitimately a great anime joke.
@EvanSlover-fk4dy
@EvanSlover-fk4dy 3 ай бұрын
"The Phone wave could only be made their because it has all the right conditions to build it and make it run properly without it taking a few decades, centuries, or genertatons." quote from orginal steins gate vn game's kerisu.
@adolfodef
@adolfodef 5 жыл бұрын
11:32 This is all Mayuri´s fault -> Her "Deja_vu" dreams are strong and clear enough for her to truly "miss" the feelings of those summer days full of people in the lab (so she is subsconciously pulling people to it for different reasons); even friends that were never "there" on the alpha worldlines. 11:38 Moeka is simply THE BEST at her job that Daru knows who lives nearby; also she is relatively "cheap" to hire since she still has her original job in "Arc Rewrite" to cover living expenses [technically speaking she "returned" to it after Okabe took her out of the "full time job" she had a Rounder (by basically maskerading himself as F.B. to "terminate" her IBN5100 searching task)]. 11:46 Farys involvement with the lab (in the WW3 beta worldline) makes PERFECT SENSE. Because Okabe & Suzuha DID NOT go back to the past a second time (like how it finally happened in the "Steins;Gate" Worldline); the Time Machine had to remain *for several months* on the roof Radio Kaikan. . While the FG-203 has a "cloaking device" to avoid getting detected by satelites or random drones; it is not perfect enough to "fool" a human standing on the roof and looking on its direction (exactly in front of the only access door); so they MUST had to ENSURE tgat nobody ever goes "up there" _for any reason_ by buying the 2 top floors of the building [something only a super-rich person like her can do]. -> There is a 2 minute scene between Suzuha & Farys explicitly addressing this issue [even if they never detail the events "leading" to the situation (like when & how they told Farys about the time machine)]. 12:11 Daru is the one paying for the lab [ with the money he gets from his "secret job" as a hacker and decrypter (like how Maho "hired" him to unlock Makise´s laptop) ]. . Alternatively: Farys is paying for EVERYTHING as long as Suzuha NEEDS to stay in this time period ( not just because "its her friend´s friends"; but also because she has an obvious interest on preventing WW3 from ruining her "turf" on Akihabara ). -> That was not "a random party"; but X-Mas/New Years (he was not even working on his shop those days, so any loud noises would NOT make any "customers" to run away). 13:40 All of this is "rant" about her does not even require the visual novel to be understood. Moeka´s status is a "sleeper cell"; as she ALWAYS was (and will always be) a Rounder for SERN/FRANCE [her backstory in the original Steins;Gate anime implies she was "recruited" sometime in 2008/2009, so this is "common" to all worldlines in both series]. . She is just currently not "under their influence" (tanks to the effects of d-mails from the alpha worldlines that "carried over" into this beta worldline releasing her from F.B. commands); so her new behavior as a normal "freelancer" (working for Daru, Fairys or Maho) makes sense [without ever "removing" any of her "secret badass" skills acquired previously to 2010]. -> In the few months since the original series (end of summer 2010 to early 2011); she had to "cope out" with her mental problems and "comunicational choices" in order to get back into "Arc ReWrite" [she "quit her job" to work fulltime for the Rounders, but later had to "bargain" with her ex-boss in order to return to her old journalist job]. 17:10 This "technology" is exactly the same it is REQUIRED for the "TimeLeap Machine" to work (you need a way to "copy & send" the whole mind of Okabe/Kurisu ). So it is as "fantasy" as the rest of both series it is not even "implausible"; just merely "advanced ... [unlike using cellphones for the "reverse process"].
@YBPaladin
@YBPaladin 5 жыл бұрын
I’m starting to think that Digi didn’t play the VN at all, because some of his criticism doesn’t make sense. I put off watch 0 til I was done playing 0’s VN (I only did the main ending) and the writing was on par for the first game.
@Bradley2002Utube
@Bradley2002Utube 5 жыл бұрын
i believe he said he didnt. For what its worth, I havent played it, but alot of the points he makes about stuff not making sense made sense to me
@caswellweird
@caswellweird 5 жыл бұрын
YBPaladin i think an adaptation kind of automatically fails if you have to read the source material to understand certain parts. because then what the fuck is the point of adapting it?
@brokenbox3170
@brokenbox3170 5 жыл бұрын
If I hear another person override criticism by saying "Well achcuuallyyyy in the source materiallll.." I'm gonna FLIP A TIT. Seriously any adaptation that cannot stand on its own 2 feet without its source material is shit. Digi says multiple times that he hasn't played the VN's because they don't appeal to him. He is talking about the merits of the shows in standalone. So if someone says that an adaptation is shit because something isn't explained, it does not matter if its source explained it, The adaptation should of accounted for it.
@iriya5598
@iriya5598 5 жыл бұрын
Are you interested in animation or story of steins;gate? If you was actually interested in the story, attached to characters there is no point in separating vn and adaptation so much. I myself like the first game and anime more ofc, but 0' VN is ok, and adaptation, though had its problems, was at least acceptable. A sort of separate story, mix of many many routes and scenes. And I'm not sure somebody is "overriding" criticism, it is a mainly subjective thing from the start so no point overriding that.
@factionalhitman
@factionalhitman 5 жыл бұрын
13:53 yeah, the VN actually made the relationship between Maho and Moeka deepen.
@Figgy5119
@Figgy5119 5 жыл бұрын
What could have been interesting is if Amadeus didn't have anything to do with Kurisu other than her voice (and maybe looking like her if you want). Okabe would still start to get attached to the program, not being able to separate it from Kurisu, but in the end he would break down when Amadeus fails to live up to "being" Kurisu. That would lead him to the realization that he needs to go back and save the real person, as she is irreplaceable.
@wolfywonder8480
@wolfywonder8480 5 жыл бұрын
"There's nothing more uncharacteristic for Stein Gate than someone walking in on another character naked while a goofy song plays" *immediately remembers the shower scene in the original show*
@pressfinchat
@pressfinchat 5 жыл бұрын
But I liked Steins;Gate, so the shower scene in there was totally *JUSTIFIED.* As opposed to Steins;Gate 0, which I don't like, so the shower scene is just some fan service bullshit.
@nutmalone5527
@nutmalone5527 4 жыл бұрын
@@pressfinchat people who complain about fan services, can fuck off
@randomduck8679
@randomduck8679 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Okabe really had a habit of accidentally sexually harassing girls
@pressfinchat
@pressfinchat 4 жыл бұрын
@justin why?., lol you're not getting the joke. I was *intimitating* the Digibro. Chill.
@nutmalone5527
@nutmalone5527 4 жыл бұрын
@@pressfinchat and i was talking about digibro, i got you fam
@ShinobuSakurazaka
@ShinobuSakurazaka 5 жыл бұрын
I know this is a little off-topic BUT when Digibro mentioned how the time when everyone was enjoying themselves in the lab was fleeting and you don't realise it until it gone struck a chord with me as the last of my old housemates got married this summer so the "Vermont sisterhood" is officially over. I was just thinking about how I used to have fucking turf wars with my housemates over washing, cleaning, cooking etc. but those were probably some of the most enjoyable years of my life with us all rattling around in that dorm house half of which was rebuilt by my GF (now wife) because it was practically falling down. (H&S was pretty lax back in the 90's)
@Jbelnap510
@Jbelnap510 5 жыл бұрын
I actually felt like Amadeus wasn't a perfect simulation of Kirisu. Like, the characters wanted her to be, but she felt much more like an algorithm trying to simulate Kirisu then the real thing. I wasn't quite able to articulate that until the episode she came back and we could see the differences though.
@aeowinh
@aeowinh 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but a Amadeus was literally pointless in the series until almost the end. I feel is like the legal lolly, exist only to have sentimental moments with Okabe to remember the dead of Kurisu, thats it.
@Jbelnap510
@Jbelnap510 5 жыл бұрын
Having a character that he can talk to about Kirisu is important, not that I think they did it very well.
@chrono47minecraft
@chrono47minecraft 5 жыл бұрын
You're wrong. It actually explains why Kurisu needs to survive in the future. Amadeus existing is the reason SERN gets hold of the time machine schematics
@LilJbm1
@LilJbm1 5 жыл бұрын
Lol SERN doesn't get a hold of anything time travel related in the Beta worldline. I'm beginning to think SG;0 was a mistake considering the all over the place plot causes people to make such huge mistakes like this. SERN is irrelevant in the Beta worldline.
@nemanjastankovic7200
@nemanjastankovic7200 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah just questions and doubts without logic behind them.And if it talks like Kuristina (anime is 2D too) and tries to walk then yeah it's meant to it as means to fill gap.
@TheAudioInjection
@TheAudioInjection 5 жыл бұрын
The part about Amadeus that bothered me the most is that I remember Leskinen admitting that he doesnt even know how Amadeus works. THEY MAPPED A HUMAN BRAIN ONTO A PROGRAM AND THEY DONT EVEN KNOW HOW
@GustoBr
@GustoBr 4 жыл бұрын
Its kurisu's work
@factionalhitman
@factionalhitman 5 жыл бұрын
14:31 yeah, she _did_ have reading steiner.
@childsbrad7022
@childsbrad7022 5 жыл бұрын
It would’ve been cool if the main just got lost with the ai to the point where he loses touch with reality and that’s why he was inactive throughout the show maybe idk how much that would help this train wreck anyways
@aeowinh
@aeowinh 5 жыл бұрын
The idea of Amadeus is just so bizarre, because S;G 0 is literally the same year of the dead of Kurisu, somehow they create a sentient AI but can't stole the kurisu laptop to hack it and get the investigation about time travel before getting destroyed by a random comand of russian agents...
@childsbrad7022
@childsbrad7022 5 жыл бұрын
José Alvarado yeah it would be frustrating knowing that they couldn’t get into her computer after making a sentient ai of her and as digi said it’s just there to make her a part of the show even though the whole conceit of the plot of the show is that this is the time line where she died and that alone would’ve probably ruined the show for me
@nemanjastankovic7200
@nemanjastankovic7200 5 жыл бұрын
I really thought [Kurisu] in Amadeus will be main female lead and it would be a lot better show.Dropping plots and jumping to other things as main guy sits sipping coffee and trying to go NBA isn't what I wanted.
@davidsanchezparedes6884
@davidsanchezparedes6884 5 жыл бұрын
no gun was found in my drawer.
@Zesprit15
@Zesprit15 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I completely forgot about the bedroom lingerie scene (et al). That’s another point off my MAL score for it.
@Xylio979
@Xylio979 5 жыл бұрын
Kinda sad that you judge your enjoyment based on something that stupid...
@GustoBr
@GustoBr 4 жыл бұрын
@@Xylio979 agree with u
@VuldEdone
@VuldEdone 5 жыл бұрын
I think they introduced Amadeus on episode 1... I think. And when they did I thought "okay, this season will be about AIs, cool, bold move!" Then in episode 2 they did nothing with it. Then in episode 3 they did nothing with it. Then in episode 4... I do remember, around episodes 4-5, asking if they were seriously going somewhere. Man, in retrospect, what blind trust I had put in there. I also realize that I had never questioned Daru's red lights, or why people are still hanging at the lab', etc. Not because I thought it made sense, but because I didn't even bother asking. If I remember correctly, before watching episode 1 I had already read a synopsis explaining what timeline this was meant to be, but when watching episode 1 I kept wondering if this really was the case or if I had stumbled in a completely parallel universe. And I think that confusion made me not question anything. At all. I just decided that whatever would be the case would be the case and to leave it at that. Seriously, when it became apparent that Amadeus was getting nowhere, I decided that parallel universes was the new focus, and that episode with live-Kurisu and the confusing song-loop vindicated me in that regard. I thought we would go to kappa line and omicron line and whatever line or something. Anything. But my delusion at the time isn't what I mean. What I mean is that it's rather bad when a show encourages you not to think, not to care. And while Daru's lights are negligible, not caring about the characters themselves is a severe flaw. When your cast of characters becomes background noise, you know you're in trouble.
@weirdnoise11
@weirdnoise11 5 жыл бұрын
Oh, wow. I'm surprised you've seen that route where Kurisu's memories are overwritten in Kagari's head. I was actually waiting for the anime to reveal it but they didn't so I agree with your frustration here.
@pajamapantsjack5874
@pajamapantsjack5874 5 жыл бұрын
Why is he holding rick
@abnersquared5436
@abnersquared5436 5 жыл бұрын
dammit
@fennekinbraixen7424
@fennekinbraixen7424 5 жыл бұрын
The fact that the character development for Amadeus Kurisu was so weak I didn’t even bother feeling any emotions when she died later on in the series, it was so weak and rushed as hell.
@YBPaladin
@YBPaladin 5 жыл бұрын
Fennekin Braixen It was kinda like that in the VN too
@Filimaua13
@Filimaua13 5 жыл бұрын
I agree. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who was just like ehh when Amadeus was wiped out. I feel like I would've been more emotional about it, if we actually had more scenes focused on Maho and Amadeus talking together. Detailing deeper into her and Kurisu's past relationship and how Maho was dealing with this loss and her inferiority complex through her interactions with Amadeus. It may not have been in the VN idk haven't read them, but it would've made the overall show a lot better. It would've made Maho's character arc feel more complete and Amadeus' "death" actually heartbreaking.
@fennekinbraixen7424
@fennekinbraixen7424 5 жыл бұрын
I just feel like this series went really rushed, you can tell it was from episode 17 and forward, if only they didn’t spent to much time on Kagari.
@nemanjastankovic7200
@nemanjastankovic7200 5 жыл бұрын
Robots don't die.They malfunction or get broken.
@alexsmith3781
@alexsmith3781 5 жыл бұрын
The reason that they remade the phone microwave in the lab is because they actually had a direct line to sern because of Mr Braun being under them. I think this is explained in the anime too briefly.
@naterivers6107
@naterivers6107 5 жыл бұрын
The real question is how the hell to do clone someone as an A.I. and except them to stay the same? The idea behind a fully realized A.I. is that it's capable of not only thinking for itself, exercise full autonomy and interact with the world as a human would. Not only that, but you've taken a human that's use to being able to go and do whatever she wants, eat what she wants and see what she wants and suddenly taken all that away by stuffing it into a cellphone. It would go insane like that. Unless you formatted the A.I. of her to fit the mold of a A.I. born in a computer and have no concept of a body, which would fundamentally alter that persons perception of the world and thus it's not her, it's a approximation.
@ulisesavila2879
@ulisesavila2879 5 жыл бұрын
Something like this? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qLN3d5yCyL2mo5s.html
@klop4228
@klop4228 2 жыл бұрын
I'mma just quickly defend that action scene from the original S;G by saying that, no matter how many bullets are fired, nobody in the room can die there, because people's lives and deaths are convergence events that _cannot_ be changed without changing worldlines. ...speaking of which, that's almost the cardinal sin of Steins;Gate 0: the one moment where it kills Kagari in one timeline and not in another. It's worse in the original VN (several characters get killed in some routes and not in others), but it still happens. Why is this so bad? Because that's the entire freaking point of Steins;Gate, from a plot standpoint, at any rate. That, no matter what happens, Mayuri dies in the Alpha timeline. They're careful to keep this consistent between characters, too - Suzuha is always dead in the past, Moeka dies at the same time, Okabe is essentially invincible, etc. In the original VN, this even extends to Mr. Braun and Daru (the latter in one of the alternate endings). And, not only that, but it completely kills the entire premise of Steins;Gate 0, because if you could easily shuffle about the timeline like that, then Kurisu could easily have been saved and all this drama is for nothing. And it's so painful, because it's such an easy thing to fix. Just cut the death scene and it's done. It's so careless. I still like S;G 0, but that kind of carelessness is pretty indicative of how much thought the writing staff put into the story.
@adolfodef
@adolfodef 2 жыл бұрын
The only ones who are "inmortal" (not technically, but efectively) are the ones necesary for the construction of the Time Machine that "boostraps" itself into existence. The reason why Mayuri (and/or Kurisu) must DIE is because the ONLY person who can remember them in all worldlines (Okabe) has an obssesive LOVE for them that never allows him to STOP [leading to the eventual construction and use of time machines]. . Okabe is NOT NECESARY after 2025, this is why he CAN die from that point. The reason for this is that the life of Daru (the TRUE "maker" of the Time Machine) is 100% secured in his WW3 FORTRESS by 2025 [or in the case of the Alpha Worldlines, he manages to HIDE his identity & set up a de-centralized system for the construction of the parts of the (defective) time machine]. -> Notice that this also extends to his daughter (the "pilot" of the time machine); because Daru never allowed anyone else to learn how to find/use it [for the WW3 version it even has DNA blockers, so ONLY HER can physically pilot it]. The foregone conclusion is that in the "Steins;Gate" wordline (a sub_class of the "Beta" group), the start of WW3 has only being "delayed" to sometime AFTER 2037 [when another event coming FROM SPACE (inevitable) will render it moot]. -> The creation & use of Time Machines still happens (as seen in THE MOVIE); the reasons are different, but the final effect is still the same. The 0kabe that rescued Beta!Suzuha & the only Time_Traveler!Mayuri "escaped" from the Convergence simply by going far into the past ( they probably recharged Suzuha´s more advanced time machine & use it to travel to sometime AFTER WW2 ). -> Since all iterations of Suzuha died at the year 2001 ; then she could be 70+ years old this time. -> 0kabe & TT!Mayuri probably moved to USA to be able to copy & steal the earliest hard_drive version of Kurisu!Amadeus [before the Rine_DMail self_destruct virus developed by Maho & Daru destroys the "original" data remotely]; so the "promise" of her being "saved" could still be fullfilled.
@klop4228
@klop4228 2 жыл бұрын
@@adolfodef I see your point, and I think I might agree (especially since it explains Faris's dad being revived by a D-mail, something I'd forgotten about), but I do have a follow-up question: why do Moeka and Mr. Braun have to die in the Alpha Worldline? Neither of their deaths are relevant to the construction of the time machine in any real way, as far as I remember (their role is just to kill off Mayuri, and even then only in some worldlines), but they also consistently die in all the relevant worldlines.
@adolfodef
@adolfodef 2 жыл бұрын
@@klop4228 Their early deaths are REQUIRED to prevent any "further" involvement of other branches of the Rounders (other "goons" operating in a semi-independent way, still indirectly commanded by SERN/France/300_Comitee). . If Moeka & Brawn are not killed (or suicide themselves), they would be automatically considered traitors/rogue_agents. This is "standard procedure", since Rounders are supposed to be "eliminated" after a *sucessfull* "sensitive" operation precisely to remove _any witness_ that knows "too much" about their organization. -> Moeka is allowed to live in the Beta worldlines because her "mission" with the IBN5100 was just "suspended" indefinitely (she did not "failed", nor "succeeded"). Same goes for Brawn, who is just "waiting" for further instructions that will never arrive [because the "trace" of the IBN5100 has "gone cold" thanks to Dmail & hacker shenaningans]- Also: In all the Worldlines were Moeka & Brawn HAD to die, the "secret" of the Time Machine at the gadget lab was already "leaked out". In fact, SERN was already secretly installing high_speed internet cables for a parallel "exclusive VPN" between the lab & their particle accelerator. -> This is a vital "ingredient" for the "Time Leap Machine" that Okabe keeps using to go back 2 days. . SERN was trying to "spy" the files in the computer of Daru [this never happened, because Daru is an AWESOME hacker & they never managed to "crack" his firewall]. . SERN never realized that "mental time travel" was even posible (every time Okabe uses it, it is "the first time" for them... too late). -> They do not had hidden microphones installed on the lab (Mr. Brawn & Moeka may overhear some stuff, but they would not understand any of the "science stuff" from Kurisu enough to "report" it properly). About the "consistency" of rather "irrelevant" deaths in similar worldlines: -> This is an ARTIFACT of the "true nature" of the universe of Steins;Gate (a simulation running in a computer in the "Upper World_Layer" of the anime "Anonymous;Code" [still unreleased] ). "The Convergence" effect is what happens when a sentient (but not sapient) A.I. is tasked with the "mantainance of continuity" & removal of distorsions in the different "iterations" of simulations of similar universes. -> It uses KNOWN data (from other worldlines already procesed) to "fix" what it "thinks" are corruption of data caused by random events like cosmic rays hitting RAM modules [because it can not realize the "simulated people" is creating loops in the code by using "time travel" within the simulation, simply because it was never considered by the original "real life" coders].
@klop4228
@klop4228 2 жыл бұрын
@@adolfodef I understand why Mr. Braun and Moeka died in each of the worldlines where they did (because it's explicitly stated), but surely they could have ended up uninvolved despite still being alive, unlike Okabe and Daru (who can't stay involved when they're dead), and Mayuri/Kurisu (in whose case the death itself is the important bit) - in other words, their deaths, from a 'fate/destiny' point of view are still not exactly required, at least not in a way I understand. As for the Anonymous;Code stuff - first of all, that wasn't released when S;G or S;G 0 was released, so any changes in the canon are retcons and so not entirely relevant. And in any case, all it explains is why the S;G universe works with worldlines and why convergence happens in the first place. The specific rules still have to be consistent. So I don't understand how any of it is directly relevant either, basically.
@phobics9498
@phobics9498 Жыл бұрын
Tbh this felt very weird. It has been established that death of people is a convergence and that certain other events can be convergences but a character being alive is not an "event". It felt totally random to hear that a character cannot die until their convergence
@mctttes6855
@mctttes6855 5 жыл бұрын
The reason they have the stickers is because Daru made the RINE app. Also Moeka is still a Rounder on the Beta worldline
@LostTrigger
@LostTrigger 5 жыл бұрын
in the main timeline she was essentially a depressed neet who dedicated her sole life to them because they gave her purpose but was eventually discarded, what could have changed so much that she still joins, doesnt get thrown away, and becomes a journalist? Does kurisu dieing suddenly turn her into a strong independent woman who dont need no man? Who cant be thrown away by anybody yet still joins a crime group? While doing journalism on the side?
@mctttes6855
@mctttes6855 5 жыл бұрын
LostTrigger I'm not sure what you're trying to say
@LostTrigger
@LostTrigger 5 жыл бұрын
@@mctttes6855 it's stupid what they did with hey character, samething Digi said
@mctttes6855
@mctttes6855 5 жыл бұрын
LostTrigger her character is exactly how I expected it to be. She's basically the same except slightly less awkward.
@LostTrigger
@LostTrigger 5 жыл бұрын
@@mctttes6855 how did kurisu dieing change her dependency issue and stop her from being killed or killing herself? She was with the outsiders before kurisu died, and she was already a depressed wreck before she died, so what changes? What leads her to a healthier life but still the outsiders badass?
@cris931609
@cris931609 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, I had actually never thought how complimentary each half of the original show was to the other. The first is all about the setup, worldbuilding and characters, and the 2nd is about the plot and the incredible tension it brings along with the payoffs at the end.
@ingenjannik
@ingenjannik 5 жыл бұрын
Hey hey hey, don't insult the OVA. It's the type of happy ending that the show and the audience deserved. I don't know if its canon but to me it most definetely is because after 12 episodes of endless psycho horror we finally got the wholesome group dynamic back. You can call it fanservice but its the right kind of fanservice, as opposed to fanservice the like of Faris groping Moeka's boobs in lingerie.
@Goosfraba08
@Goosfraba08 5 жыл бұрын
It's a shame people say Amadeus is just a tool to bring back Kurisu. It's actually pretty logical that it exists. In the Original S;G Kurisu was able to figure out how to record memories and store it as data. Something that no one in the real world has figured out. Compress this through a blackhole (which btw makes no sense of how data compression works) and sends this back into time. She knows how to do this because this is what she studies back home. So it would make sense that her university has more knowledge of how to record and store memories or human consciousness. It makes sense that Kurisu is then involved in a program that creates a AI based on memory. The show also uses Amadeus as another form of Time travel. So in the Original S;G they explore three types of time travel. 1 Send a message back. 2 Send your memories/ consciousness back and 3 Send your whole physical being back. These three forms of timetravel all have their own mechanics and consequences. Which the show explores and philosophise about. And now they explore this exploit of how to travel through time after your death. Something that defies the laws of god. Something no human should be caple of doing. Same with time travel. Amadeus also makes sense to be made in 2011 once you realize that the one who is responsible for its creation. Is professor Leskinen, who in the future is one of the main figure roles that wants the time machine and is willing to fight a ww3 for it. Future Leshkinen sends a message, to his past self, through a physical being. In the form of Kagari. Kagari is also a exploit of form 1 & 3 combined. Showing Okabe other ways to manipulate time / send messages to yourself. (something only a mad scientist would do. but thats besides the point.) So Future Leskinen knows there is a time machine and knows Kurisu is the one that created the theory. He also knows that Kurisu dies and he knows the russians have the Time traveling papers of Kurisu, through her father. He needs to craft a plan so he can secure the knowledge of Kurisu in the past. So he sends Kagari with a brainwashing message, telling his past that he needs to focus on how to store human memory. So past Leskinen hears this around 2000, assuming he was already experienced working in the field of neuroscience, he then focussed 10 years on developing a way to store memory. And creating Amadeus. So Amadeus is pretty logical to happen through the events in the original S;G. I agree that Amadeus and Kagari were very confussing while watching the show. But this is the thing I love about Steins;Gate. At the end once you see the full picture and examine every detail. the whole story does make sense. Also Fatima was dope. I liked S;G 0 soundtrack
@VFG204
@VFG204 5 жыл бұрын
Stijn Groothuis Well said. 100% agree.
@Xylio979
@Xylio979 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I just think Digi is throwing a tantrum like he usually does when an anime doesn't pander to his exact tastes. Now I'm not saying SG 0 was an amazing anime, mediocre in my opinion, but he really knows how to exaggerate...
@Simonplaysgmaes
@Simonplaysgmaes 5 жыл бұрын
That seemingly ad-libbed breakdown got me laughing in my real life meat body. Cant wait for part 4!
@Shrooblord
@Shrooblord 5 жыл бұрын
My real life meat body also enjoyed this one even more than the rest. Part 4 hype!
@punintendedd
@punintendedd 5 жыл бұрын
They do explain the stickers in the VN - Daru made the app they're using
@vegeta353658
@vegeta353658 5 жыл бұрын
Holy crap, you made so many parts for this rant video! Also, I personally liked seeing Faris grope Moeka. >.>
@weirdnoise11
@weirdnoise11 5 жыл бұрын
It's her character trait. She also groped Kurisu in one of the routes and manga which is Kurisu's point of view. It's from 2010-2011.
@elijahtorres9111
@elijahtorres9111 5 жыл бұрын
I feel you dude this show was literally beyond sad. 0 is trash and it's an embarrassment to the original show.
@SeralyneYT
@SeralyneYT 5 жыл бұрын
Technically, the original show is an embarrassment to this, since half of 0's story was made before the original anime.
@Gonzaly99
@Gonzaly99 5 жыл бұрын
Fuck you
@blazed987
@blazed987 5 жыл бұрын
@@SeralyneYT What? what does SG 0's VN being made earlier have anything to do with the quality and presentation they gave to us in the anime?
@SeralyneYT
@SeralyneYT 5 жыл бұрын
@@blazed987 Digibro has complained majorly about Operation Arc-light and Mayuri and Okabe's characterization related to it. The thing is, this part (but not all of 0's story) predates the original anime, which either highlights a flaw in Digi's understanding of the characters or the show's portrayal of the characters. And as a person that watched the original Arc-light Drama CD before reading the original VN, I'd be much more inclined to believe the former is at fault. The reason this has to do with the anime is that we literally got a 1:1 adaptation of this.
@blazed987
@blazed987 5 жыл бұрын
@@SeralyneYT Im not very familiar with the steins;gate franchise and the timelines and whatever outside the anime. However, I do know that Steins;gate 0 is an alternate timeline from the original but at the same time tries to tie in some events from the original series and tries to explain things from the original. The thing is, it really doesn't need one. It unneccesarily makes things more complex and ruins the characters that we have grown attached to in the original by characterizing them completely opposite to the original. It also takes the coherent plot from the original and threw it into the mixer and messed it up. The plot got overly complex and messy thats its difficult to even get whats happening anymore. (At least in the animated TV shows) What me, digibro and other anime viewers got was the original steins;gate first. The characters started from there, Zero served as an alternate timeline while trying to explain parts from the original and tried to tie it into the main story but failed. Thus, the actions that occured in Zero does not neccesasrily predate those of the original narrative wise. As their characterization happened in an alternate timeline where Okabe didn't prevent Makise's death. In the original, Okabe was stuck in a time loop and his characterization stems from there. Zero couldn't have predated his characterization as it occurs after the loop. Zero tried to be a prequel, sequel and an alternate reality story but failed completely. It should've stayed as an alternate timeline. It raises overcomplicates the previously established rules and plot points that make it difficult to understand that would ruin my experience of watching the original again. Honestly, I feel like the creator of the steins;gate VN should never have tried to do what he did with zero. In all honesty, if he had just it a sequel where Okabe tries to regain the relationships that he lost in the loop would be an infinitely more engaging viewing experience that what zero gave us. If they want to make things clear and linear to us anime viewers, then they should've adapted and portrayed the characters differently that would be linear and make narrative sense with the original series they gave us as they should know our understanding of the characters came from the original. However, I'm guessing that the anime can't do much about these as it is a problem with the source material. And if that is true, then its better if they didn't adapt zero at all.
@shinsua_
@shinsua_ 5 жыл бұрын
Has Digibro watched Chaos;Child yet? Steins;Gate seems to be the only well put together thing the studio has ever produced.
@cyntical410
@cyntical410 5 жыл бұрын
Re:zero was really well produced and was done by the same studio.
@matthewto7406
@matthewto7406 5 жыл бұрын
@@cyntical410 I think he was referring to the studio that produced the vn, not the anime
@cyntical410
@cyntical410 5 жыл бұрын
@@matthewto7406 Ah okay
@ToaOfGallifrey
@ToaOfGallifrey 5 жыл бұрын
I like the Chaos;Head VN, but its adaptation and Child are garbo
@shinsua_
@shinsua_ 5 жыл бұрын
@@matthewto7406 Sorry, yeah, the VN. Thank you. I've heard good thing about Chaos;Head, but haven't played it. Chaos;Child is god awful in all regards, to what I know.
@SquidwardAF
@SquidwardAF 5 жыл бұрын
so much iconic imagery, who directed this, JJ Abrams?
@vvpenny1109
@vvpenny1109 5 жыл бұрын
They really FUCKED up the designs with those generic double d's on every single character .
@neel4062
@neel4062 5 жыл бұрын
0 has its flaws, but the underlying message is what got me. Steins;Gate had an ending too good to be true- both waifus are saved AND a world war is avoided. But 0 tells us that life wasn’t all fun for Okabe in the beta timeline and some suffering had to happen in the background, like atonement for Okabe’s sins- fucking with time. That’s why the Okabe in 0 died alone, sacrificing his attempt at life for the Okabe going to the Steins;Gate world line.
@nguyennhatkhanh4408
@nguyennhatkhanh4408 2 жыл бұрын
Well, I enjoy 0 as much as the original. Maybe it can be better but for me, it's already good more than enough to end the series I enjoy most on a high note.
@DuxAKADuke
@DuxAKADuke 7 ай бұрын
Thank God I'm not the only one
@icecubemaker4002
@icecubemaker4002 5 жыл бұрын
It makes sense, that they didn't improve on the time leaps design in the future. I don't think it's easy to find those things in the war.
@sebsthexeno9460
@sebsthexeno9460 5 жыл бұрын
The Amadeus rant was the most cathartic moment i've experienced in any of your videos since The Asterisk War Sucks, good shit.
@SeralyneYT
@SeralyneYT 5 жыл бұрын
2:16 - That feeling when Hacking to the Gate is probably the weakest song Steins;Gate has to offer, maybe Fatima aside. 2:48 - In defense of Fatima, those clock noises could be interpreted more as time, heck even entire iterations passing by without success. I'd also say this is highlighted by the first few lines (translated by myself, although ItsRigs' translation may be more accurate.) "This world is full of the unreal, It's a normal occurance, ingrained on our retinas The values at the Point at Infinity are now being overwritten by a mundane universe. A haughty God, unseen by our eyes continues to rule at the speed of light, and given this I... and Only I... am fine with being that miraculous, that lethal minority!" The world's unreality, yet that being a regular occurrence is a nod back to the original, that worldline shifts are essentially normal at this point. The values at the Point at Infinity being overwritten can then be seen as the struggle needed to actually reach the Point at Infinity, that Milly-way Crossing and how it just seems to drift further and further away, as the outlook to that Milky-way Crossing begins to fade away and is instead replaced with the mundane. 3:42 - Chiyomaru has always written with his dick, you've just been too dense to see the signs. 4:31 - That scene was handled rather poorly in the anime. There is a better excuse in the VN, why it wasn't adapted as it was is beyond me, as it should have been able to. 4:50 - Because White Fox were essentially double booked making the steaming pile of garbage that is known as Steins;Gate Elite. 6:18 - The stickers predates the LINE stickers. We could make an excuse that RINE is made by Daru, therefore some (but not all, namely the Kagari and Maho ones) RINE stickers are justified as something Daru put in. 7:12 - She always was. She's just not busy with her rounder job as much in the Beta Attractor Field. Her journalist side was mentioned in the original. 8:02 - Convergence, Plot Armor manifested. They literally cannot die due to the future already being established. If you claim to be an intelligent viewer that didn't think "This is Rick & Morty: Anime Edition" when you saw the original, then you should also understand the basic mechanics the show makes use of. 11:28 - Which may not even be canon. I guess we'll find out about Okabe and Kurisu's relationship in Robotics;Notes DaSH. 12:22 - His problems were caused because of Okabe's chuunibyou and general annoying attitude. Braun essentially wanted to see Okabe grow the fuck up. 12:45 - Luka you're largely right about. He doesn't really do anything outside of housing Kagari and that 2025 scene. Faris, eh. I don't agree, but a good part of that was lost in adaptation. 13:46 - She still is. It should be obvious, but isn't explicitly stated in the anime. The VN explicitly states this, but it should still be obvious from the anime. 14:12 - Kaede does jackshit apart from introducing Köchel numbers, Fubuki is used a bit more in the VN. They should have adapted a bit more about Fubuki and just have cut Kaede for most of it imo. Wouldn't be the first time they cut characters. 14:55 - Which is understandable. She's brainwashed. I guess future Leskinen ordered her to have the illusion of normalcy, but never growing up as a normal person, I'd guess she simply doesn't know how. Adding her whole Kurisu subplot on top of this wouldn't have done good for the anime, as there wouldn't be time to adapt it. 15:47 - This was actually toned down. So was the fanservice. 19:18 - Touching upon the deletion. That route had removed the tester privileges quite a bit before in the VN. The deletion moment in the anime was a nod to a route where Okabe basically wasn't present and shit hit the fan. Maho and Moeka were the ones deleting it this time around. 19:27 - You're taking that statement too literally. She naturally means the world she currently inhabits. 19:46 - Aaand there is the elephant in the room and a point you've brought up yourself about the show multiple times, that seems fitting to be able to use against you: If you aren't gonna try watching the show seriously, why even bother in the first place?
@rep1600
@rep1600 5 жыл бұрын
Mic drop. Seriously Digi, before you create a series about why something sucks, do some fucking research before you cry real hard about why 0 doesn't represent your daddy Okarin as well as you wanted it to.
@ThePreciseClimber
@ThePreciseClimber 5 жыл бұрын
> Chiyomaru has always written with his dick, you've just been too dense to see the signs. Like, seriously. There was so much awkward sexual tension in the first season/visual novel. It's almost a bloody dating sim. It does come with the visual novel territory so it's not like he's a deviant in that regard. :P > Convergence, Plot Armor manifested. They literally cannot die due to the future already being established. You know, I never really got that. Especially now with Kagari. How come she can exist in a world line where she was never adopted? Shouldn't convergence make it impossible for Leskinen to reveal his plans on the roof? Convergence should dictate that he's left undiscovered so he could experiment on Kagari in the future.
@Turahk
@Turahk 5 жыл бұрын
Hacking to the Gate is the weakest song in SG? Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no, bye.
@SeralyneYT
@SeralyneYT 5 жыл бұрын
Have you listened to any of the others? (Skyclad Observer, GATE OF STEINER (vocal (and vocal acoustic)), Prophecy ~Gate of Steiner~, Farfalla of Fate, Annie's Ring and COSMIC LOOPER especially)
@iloveanimoos787
@iloveanimoos787 5 жыл бұрын
rep ITS EXPLAINED IN THE VISUAL NOVEL
@Minodrec
@Minodrec 5 жыл бұрын
I was almost bored at 15 min then the whole Amadeus rant happened. I like how your voice actor your text. And your editor did a good job on that part too. I wish you made this part rhyme. Could we have an "abused AI" rap ?
@bestiacomun4536
@bestiacomun4536 5 жыл бұрын
I agree with this, but I think that almost nobody had problems with the sequel. Lot of people loved it and I can't believe it.
@KureruElric
@KureruElric 5 жыл бұрын
digi i'm dying this is one of the BEST videos you've ever made i love the passionate rambling about this show it's great
@temporaneo617
@temporaneo617 5 жыл бұрын
As a stupid person who thought sg0 was going to be good, I expected amadeus to become evil. I don't know, I just think that having okabe litterally fight against evil digital kurisu would have been a way better idea, and it would have also explained why kagari looked like kurisu: maybe she was created by amadeus itself on its own image (and that would have explained "I hear god's voice" I think)
@reyemile7562
@reyemile7562 5 жыл бұрын
I'd appreciate it if you'd refrain from using the word "retarded" as a slur--it's a word that's very hurtful to a lot of people suffering from mental disabilities.
@factionalhitman
@factionalhitman 5 жыл бұрын
18:27 Yes. She actually *lives* in a black fucking void. It's kinda like in that one episode where Okabe and all the other characters are inside the lab. The real reason why Amadeus was deleted was because she is suffering from the endless bullshit of being just the stored memories of the real person, experiencing the same thing over and over again until someone turns her on. Promised Rinascimento and Milky Way Crossing, the two routes in the VN, were mixed into one to form the Steins;Gate 0 ending. I gotta say, Milky Way Crossing in the anime is better because it actually arrives at the scene where Okabe saves Mayuri and Suzuha. I still wish that they had just stuck with the Kagari having Kurisu's memory plot, though. Vega and Altair, the plot where Suzuha and Mayuri would travel back to the past to make past Mayuri slap Okabe, can still happen along with that plot. This would've been an 8/10 for me if they did that.
@johnelkoury6808
@johnelkoury6808 5 жыл бұрын
I completelu agree. On the subject of Hiroshi Hamasaki, would you ever consider making a video.on the masterful directing of Texhnolyze?
@fjbz3737
@fjbz3737 5 жыл бұрын
John El Koury I think he's made some videos on texhnolyze
@ReitheOffbeatOtaku
@ReitheOffbeatOtaku 5 жыл бұрын
He probably talked about it in the video "The Crushing, Nihilistic Agony of Texhnolyze"
@mkall
@mkall 5 жыл бұрын
thank you for making these series and opening my eyes. i am definitely not watching this garbage. steins gate is one of my favorite animes and it is really sad to see it become this diarrhoea of a show. in the beginning i was thinking about it just out of curiosity but now i know that i will just be punching myself from rage for every scene that I watch.
@nemanjastankovic7200
@nemanjastankovic7200 5 жыл бұрын
It really is horrible though ...
@nhagan001
@nhagan001 5 жыл бұрын
I honestly can't tell you HOW you could make an anime out of this one distinction. I mean the only thing that makes Zero work is that is has to show Okabe of the future finally gain the strength to change the timeline again (he has to leave the message to his past self to give himself the motivation to do it)... If you aren't progressing to that in an appropriate fashion... it's all fluff. The Deja Vu movie is appropriate for that approach: you get the objective stated, the journey to that objective, and then the action that completes stated objective and restores the timeline. Zero just doesn't work because it adds.... unnecessarity. You are given all this nothing and it is somehow supposed to ADD to the story. One of the things that gave me that sense of "OMG" is at the end of Deja Vu and you see what gave Okabe his "mad scientist" personality was in part.... himself. Through the actions he took to be a "mad scientist" he drew people in, discovered time travel, reconciled the consequences of time travel, and was forever molded by it: Okabe saves Kurisu, and she in turns "creates" him. I am satisfied knowing this and Zero doesn't add any OMG moments, and I don't think it can when you stack it up to the methodical plot of the series as a whole.
@jonahheins8998
@jonahheins8998 5 жыл бұрын
I agree. I think this nails what I hated about the show especially since I was under the impression that the focus would be Okabe leaving the motivational message. (or at least build up to it with that in mind) All the fluff did was to make the plot super convoluted.
@nhagan001
@nhagan001 5 жыл бұрын
I have to look at it as a series that Star Wars'd itself: so far up its own ass it thought it could get away with anything.
@animewatcher102
@animewatcher102 5 жыл бұрын
Daru and Maho were making the time leap machine there because they have no idea why it worked in the first place since Okabe didn't tell them the details. Changing the location would change a major variable in the experiment. They already were held back due to not having as much expertise as Kurisu. The time leap machine also worked because they were in the Lab which was directly connected to the Large Hadron Collider because Braun works for SERN.
@LucyPero
@LucyPero 5 жыл бұрын
This was the best video in the series by far. I love how you started off by talking about why the original is good. It made the contrast between the two shows look incredibly obvious. Everything in SG0 looks flat, boring and uninspired in comparison, and you can tell simply by looking at it.
@vbarreiro
@vbarreiro 5 жыл бұрын
In defense of the stickers: I'm pretty sure there was a throwaway line about Daru creating RINE for the exclusive use of his friends. It stands to reason he'd have made emojis.
@SeralyneYT
@SeralyneYT 5 жыл бұрын
That feeling when it, by 2015 has spread far beyond that lol.
@erikbetts9479
@erikbetts9479 5 жыл бұрын
I find the possibility of ai in 2011 a lot more believable than any form of time travel being discovered
@DeadPig325
@DeadPig325 5 жыл бұрын
that's dumb and here's why: -time travel discovery in S;G is a joke. It runs on a tv, a cell phone, and a computer jacked into a microwave.
@technoch1ef
@technoch1ef 5 жыл бұрын
Here's one point Dr. Lenkenstein could of get info on how to build AI from future self, through Kagari
@vrnvorona
@vrnvorona 5 жыл бұрын
No, paradoxes are not happening in S;G universe.
@catharinrin
@catharinrin 5 жыл бұрын
hacking to the gate... roselia's cover is so good
@augustoch.7341
@augustoch.7341 5 жыл бұрын
I was starting to hate your videos, not because I disagree with your points but because you sound overly jaded, but then you brought up my favorite Star Trek NG episode and Mass Effect plotline and now all it's ok.
@caswellweird
@caswellweird 5 жыл бұрын
hahaha i clapped when i saw the thing i like!
@vrnvorona
@vrnvorona 5 жыл бұрын
I can agree with anything except OST. It's awesome. Did you hear brainwashing/tactics/reading steiner? How are those bad? They rearranged VN's ost in good way, and added some new ones, like suzuha impatience, which is hella good.
@LegionMakz
@LegionMakz 6 ай бұрын
It doesn't matter how much she acts like a human, Amadeus doesn't have a soul so she remains just a machine.
@maximlewandowski9257
@maximlewandowski9257 5 жыл бұрын
I don't think Amadeus is equal to Kurisu. What Digi didn't take into consideration is that Steins;Gate supports the concept of a soul, you can see that in the way time-travel works: What is moved back in time isn't any physical part of Okabe, it is his soul, or mind, or consciousness, it doesn't matter what you call it, but Amadeus does not have it. So when Okabe jumps through time, everyone elses soul (or whatever) get's moved into the exact scenario he moves to making it the 'active' world-line. It's a part of ones existence in S;G that everyone has different vessels (that are there bodys) on the different world-lines between which their 'elan vital' can move when the world-line changes, but Amadeus doesn't have an 'elan vital', Amadeus is an emulation of Kurisu, they could both exist at the same time and be completely independent from each other. Maho is right in the assumption that the thought of Amadeus being an emulation will be problematic when Okabe gets too attached to it, he wouldn't be happy with it, he would live an illusion that would crack at times.
@nemanjastankovic7200
@nemanjastankovic7200 5 жыл бұрын
It runs on "memories" of Kurisu but brain has more than memories.You need to think (so she uses AI) , react , understand , SEE , hear so it's very far fetched that only memories made it human.Okabe just got his memories in his brain that has all these things yet they make it look same for some reason.
@M1SF0RTUNE
@M1SF0RTUNE 5 жыл бұрын
If I might chime in a different VN perspective... I played the VN of the original SG and found it superb, even getting a lot of intrigue and internal dialogue from Okabe not done in the still-excellent anime adaptation (which cut down a lot of the lengthy pseudo-science that went on way too long at times). So I loved both incarnations of SG original. Plus the use of Okabe’s phone in the game made it feel very fresh and interesting to play. That said, the SG 0 VN was a noticeable slog by comparison and I’m not surprised in the slightest at Digi’s explanations about the anime adaptation (meaning I also didn’t watch the anime of SG0, and I probably never will). It had one core conceit that should’ve been easy: exploring how Okabe got to sending the message to himself to open the Steins;gate. How he copes with the guilt of killing Kurisu and how he recovers and ultimately retakes his persona to save her..... and somehow SG0 decided to tell it in the most inefficient manner possible. The VN for SG0 would go on at length about how characters feel, over-explaining pseudo-science, included insanely repetitive dialogue (see Digi’s Salieri section) and way too many scenes detached from Okabe that go absolutely nowhere. The focus was on all of the most uninteresting things about the core concept for the majority of the run and absolutely half-bakes all of the WW3 scenes that had an astronomical amount of potential to see the trials and tribulations that got Okabe to re-adopt his persona and achieve the goal of rescuing Kurisu. Every character got mishandled in the sloppiest way, the comedy was fleeting and always cheapened because of Okabe’s deflated worldview and shallow, amateur humor, and I absolutely hated Kagari. She was a huge symptom of the “red herring” mentality SG 0 kept going nuts with along with underdeveloped ideas like visiting Kurisu in the Alpha world line. So yeah, Digi’s points about the anime absolutely apply to the VN and in some ways I’d prefer an anime to shortcut all of the dull monotony most of the story drudged around with. It only had two things going for it: The continuation of the cool phone mechanic that made SG original’s VN so fresh and interesting being utilized in marginally interesting ways, and the VN’d story path being built as a literal 0-shaped loop to get to the true ending (making for a neat graph). The rest of it was a chore and frustrating at how it left what could’ve been an interesting story to sit in a closet while they threw in so much wanton filler until they finally remembered there were WW3 things to talk about. Also I hate the Faris costume. But hey, at least the VN’s “Amadeus” intro was cool. ...That’s all I got. :x
@Tamamo-no-Bae
@Tamamo-no-Bae 5 жыл бұрын
Actually the Anime did fill in some of the blanks from the VN. It's as if you have to watch/read both to get the full experience of S;G 0.
@M1SF0RTUNE
@M1SF0RTUNE 5 жыл бұрын
Tamamo I’m not sure S;G 0 is something I want “The full experience” of. .-.
@Tamamo-no-Bae
@Tamamo-no-Bae 5 жыл бұрын
@@M1SF0RTUNE It's part of the canon and it does answer some things and help setup others for the future series taking place in the Steins;Gate worldline. I guarantee we'll see Maho again for instance. She's been very well received in Japan.
@maxzig8536
@maxzig8536 5 жыл бұрын
On the topic of Amadeus AI, if I recall correctly, at some point in the VN it's even implied that she kinda shares consciousness with Kurisu from other timelines, as in, the story (or at least one of the routes) treats her as if she is literally just Kurisu's incarnation in this timeline and not her own character.
@bigpappasmoggie
@bigpappasmoggie 5 жыл бұрын
You know, i'm not super big into the whole anime scene, but i do consider myself a critical analyst of the media i appreciate. So when a digibro video casually helps me reflect on my own life and helps me absolutely shatter my own concepts of my insecurities and fears, make me really feel blessed to have stumbled upon this channel. Thanks digi
@kablstr1451
@kablstr1451 5 жыл бұрын
*“God tier writing”*
@marysued2130
@marysued2130 5 жыл бұрын
Delyc Heruta we have met again 🤯
@MoxxiZ517
@MoxxiZ517 5 жыл бұрын
19:37 notice that broken Engrish spelling of Salieri. Wouldnt usually be that big of a deal but my god they bring it up so much then spell the fucking name wrong
@SeralyneYT
@SeralyneYT 5 жыл бұрын
This was fixed in the BD release.
@nemanjastankovic7200
@nemanjastankovic7200 5 жыл бұрын
ROFL
@AnacondaHL
@AnacondaHL 5 жыл бұрын
It's crazy to me that you can describe so aptly why the original Steins;Gate was so good, yet sing praises to Log Horizon. Like hearing someone say they simultaneously enjoy watching Breaking Bad and Sesame Street.
@caswellweird
@caswellweird 5 жыл бұрын
Man its almost like Breaking Bad and Sesame Street arent similar at all and have different merits that someone could find appealing and enjoyable. Its a good thing humans arent multifaceted creatures who have tastes that vary from media to media, otherwise that analogy might look kinda dumb.
@edhenshuusha4666
@edhenshuusha4666 5 жыл бұрын
I share a lot of your opinion on this one as well but, as for the stickers, Daru made the app, so he probably made them too.
@Dirandra1506
@Dirandra1506 4 жыл бұрын
to be fair, the anime doesn't really explain what is D-rine until far at the end of anime, and it's like he just told them about it.
@mataznuiz
@mataznuiz 5 жыл бұрын
I agree 100%. Too many sequels after years seem to do this shit of copying iconic moments and things
@deedelta9263
@deedelta9263 5 жыл бұрын
"IT'S JUST AN EXPERIMENT, DAWG!" -Stein's Gate Fanfiction by Digibro
@jcs6387
@jcs6387 5 жыл бұрын
5:41 I believe that's called breaking the 3.5th wall
@Ponina7
@Ponina7 5 жыл бұрын
OK I agree, with everything you say even tho I dont think the original was especially great or anything I watched 0 thinking that the original was still way better. What annoys me about this season is that it seemed that all the reddit comments on its episodes were all positive but once the show was over people saw that there were youtubers and some mal reviewers shitting on the show it started to go down the ranks. Cant people formulate opinions without 3rd party influences?
@Eterrath
@Eterrath 2 жыл бұрын
Lol your outburst in this one was the best. You're always able to put my feelings about an anime into words. I watched S;G 0 when it came out but all I remember is feeling terribly uncomfortable throughout the show and not getting anything out of it to the point where unlike S;G, I didn't feel any desire to rewatch it. Years later I just finished the original visual novel in 50 hours and was wondering whether I should play or watch a playthrough of 0. I had to make a decision because even though I don't mind more S;G content, there is nothing in the original VN that compelled me to go through another 40-50 hours of text. Heck, from what I've seen, even the sprites and CGs look way worse. I was searching for a playthrough when I encountered your series of videos on the anime and knowing how most of the blame about the anime falls on the visual novel itself, I have absolutely no desire to sit through it myself. I still might watch some videos but S;G is kinda dead to me beyond the original VN. It's saddening for me because I was so invested in the original and was happy to see so much material still left to experience, but S;G Elite gets boring after a while, 0 is a severe downgrade, I'm not romantically invested in any of the S;G characters to play the dating games and completely uninterested in any of the other Science Adventure games like Chaos;Child etc. I guess replaying and rewatching the original is my best bet.
@lunidk
@lunidk 2 жыл бұрын
my guy, you're missing out on chaos child (vn, the anime was horrible) imo c;c exceeds steins gate in terms of story.
@JustcallmeLorde
@JustcallmeLorde 5 жыл бұрын
etika's being weird but digibro uploaded I'm highly conflicted.
@IkaMusume813
@IkaMusume813 5 жыл бұрын
Rip Etika. F for respect. Edit: fucking phone.
@soulsick410
@soulsick410 5 жыл бұрын
F
@uthredraganrson5467
@uthredraganrson5467 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah feel digibro should just die
@victory1014
@victory1014 5 жыл бұрын
WTF is happening with him?
@YightLagami
@YightLagami 5 жыл бұрын
The real news
@jjrfd7076
@jjrfd7076 3 ай бұрын
Steins gate onlies thinking they know steins gate (they don’t)
@ChristianWS.
@ChristianWS. 5 жыл бұрын
Ok, so I hope you eventually talk about how 0 basically breaks a few rules of time travel that are established in S;G The whole thing with Mayuri and Suzuha dying makes no fucking sense using the pre established rules, that would cause a paradox or a change in world line. Mayuri dying would make the entire thing with Kagari non-existent, and that is an event that can't be fucking explained by Attractor Field Convergence, the first time the Time Machine exploded I was expecting for the world line to change or to 0kabe to realize they probably time traveled to a couple hours in the future or someshit
@mulsimin__
@mulsimin__ 5 жыл бұрын
My train of thought for this show shut off as soon as I was told that I had to “read the novels” to understand the story. I will never take this type of entertainment seriously. Just give it to me in the anime!!!!
@Bradley2002Utube
@Bradley2002Utube 5 жыл бұрын
i understood it well enough without the VN
@Tamamo-no-Bae
@Tamamo-no-Bae 5 жыл бұрын
Sadly the problem is that anime have limited run time and limited space. The Original S;G anime cut out a lot of important stuff from the VN, stuff that actually helps explain a lot of what's going on here. It's hard to adapt 50 hours of material into a 20 min x 23 timeslot.
@mulsimin__
@mulsimin__ 5 жыл бұрын
Then simplify it as good as you can...Movies do that all the time, some come out great.
@Tamamo-no-Bae
@Tamamo-no-Bae 5 жыл бұрын
They tried... The thing is if you simplify a complicated concept too much it doesn't make much sense anymore. Don't get me wrong, 0 does have plotholes, but most of these aren't plotholes, just stuff they didn't have time to delve into in the anime.
@nemanjastankovic7200
@nemanjastankovic7200 5 жыл бұрын
They didn't try , every route was put into it by force and I mean every.When Amadeus Kurisu says goodbye it's actually real Kurisu that got there by Amadeus reading steiner (!) (Twin Automata route). And funniest thing is that some routes exclude each other like PR and true end.Candidate for worst anime to beat Umineko.
@weirdnoise11
@weirdnoise11 5 жыл бұрын
"It's just a program" lol you really don't understand how broken Okabe is. Okabe needs her and is obsessed with her in an unhealthy way because he is...not well.
@D12garth
@D12garth 5 жыл бұрын
About the microwave... sern could trace the dmails, which is what the microwave was initially used for in the series and is the method to change world lines. However, they had no way of tracing the time leap machine as that was an actual and viable form of time travel. They can notice the texts that go back, but not the data that contains the mind, at least that’s what I think
@nemanjastankovic7200
@nemanjastankovic7200 5 жыл бұрын
True enough but I think they would notice their black hole ice cram maker making black holes so original switched perspective each time before SERN can act and avoided the issue (sometimes changed worldline too).Funny thing is that SERN got technology from Kurisu and Kurisu made it because of Okabe so if show didn't divert attention to strong main plot god knows how would it end up rated.I think it was one of rare times when I recognized role good director can have.
@Vge21x
@Vge21x 5 жыл бұрын
My biggest problem with Amadeus, and the show in general, is that everybody seems to treat Amadeus like she's a splitting image of Kurisu. She's introduced as nice, polite, helpful, and Okabe's like 'YOU'RE EXACTLY HER!'. Fucking what? The Kurisu I remember was an annoying, insufferable, extremely basic tsundere that made me drop Steins;Gate for weeks before I got myself drunk enough to push through it.
@toaletpapir6837
@toaletpapir6837 5 жыл бұрын
12:46 oh god her legs
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