3:16 It doesn't matter much, but Megadramon is not a mega level, which is kinda ironic

No question that Wargreymon is pretty awesome. Extremely powerful and just an iconic mega.

Wasn’t the reason why wargreymon was able to beat the dark masters because of his dramon killers? Which are essentially kryptonian to dramon Digimon

TL:DR - Digimon go hard

This was a really good video. Though I wish you went more into the structure of the digital world, as some people might still be confused on why wargreymon is complex multiversal. Essentially it comes down to there being 8 higher dimension in the digital world, and machinedramon threatened all of it, but was later one shot by wargreymon

I would love one of these for a member of the Royal Knights or Demon Lords but a secret wish of mine would be to scale ZeedMillenniummon or N.E.O from Digimon Next Digimon as a verse is so brokenly powerful yet it’s overlooked constantly, you earned a sub dude, loved this so much

Qinglongmon being equal to Megidramon is factual.The Four Great Dragons are put as a failsafe should Megidramon's Digital Hazard trigger and are meant to take him out. In Digimon Rearise,this happens and at first all battle him and knock him to Guilmon.He awakens a second time and threatens the Digital World again,and he is pushed back and nearly killed by Goddramon alone. And this is proven to be the Megidramon that eventually becomes the Royal Knight Dukemon. As for the Holy Beasts in Adventure they are actually infinitely multiversal. In 02 Hikari states how the Adventure server alone is multi-layered (layers=parallel/inner worlds of the Digital World).Tri also backs this up with Maki saying that all worlds were created in a multi-layered way. This is further proven by the fact that the Digimon cosmology by interviews with Hiroyuki Kakudo is set around neo-platonic emanationsm, aka the digital world is a refference to the world of forms in platonism, who states that Plato tought that there is a higher reality that transcends our own at all levels and in it,our souls manifest in a metaphysical way,as in the digital world is a higher dimensional and metaphysical reality that cannot be seen or touched by humans and the digimon are higher dimensional and metaphysical beings,the metaphysical manifestation of the souls of each and every single human.Hence humans and digimon being called partners aka SOUL PARTNERS and hence why when the children's soul grows stronger and they develop the digimon evolves. The Human World is stated to have been created as a shadow and imperfect emanation/copy of the Digital World by Demiurgos the soulless creator(this appears in the first minutes of the first episode of TRI).Before the creation of the net and computers, digimon existed beside humans in this higher reality in the form of spirits,deities,demons,shikigami and yokai bound sometimes by the ancient art of onmyodo.With the advent of the net(aka the human form of magic,information manipulation is magic for Digimon) we got to tap in a small portion of this higher reality and digimon became "digital monsters" as they change with our perception of reality. CS also upgrades both the DW and RW to an infinite number of infinite multi-layered multiverses with infinite timelines,infinite parallel dimensions and infinitely branching space time with the Digital Worlds again being higher and metaphysical reality and here the first mention of a world hierarchy is brought. Kyoko also states how when something happens in either the RW OR DW space-time branches out creating a timeline where the opposite of that event happens wich branches into another timeline where the opposite happens on and on. The Holy Beasts keep in place the fabric of space-time of both multiverses and worlds that are neither human nor digital(the network multi-layered and made from countless worlds,the dark ocean made from the dark toughts and hearts of people,the dark area wich exists in a different layer than the digital world and has 6 layers and was used in savers last mission by lucemon to devour both the real and digital world and the world that turns wishes to reality from the end of 02). The Holy Beasts keep the space-time continuum of all these worlds and live closest to the Kernel the top of the Digital World. Wich would make all the groups mentioned here and Wargreymon Infinitely Multiversal.

Oh please my guy Wargreymon can beat Goku with no sweat

I’ve always seen wargreymon as the perfect example of a mega level he’s somewhere in the middle of power level for mega level digimon. Could fight any mega level digimon and could win in theory. Don’t forget wargreymon one shot both dark masters because his dramon killers

The royal knights solo a lot of stuff, alphamon could solo EVERYTHING

Wargreymon was able to one shot both machinedramon and metalseadramon because of his gauntlets (which are called dramon killers) which gives him an immense advantage advantage over any and all dragon digimon (he is basically the dragon slayer digimon)

I find the argument of X beats Y, Y beats Z therefore X>Z, to be utterly flawed on several levels and assuming each member of a particular group is equal in power and/or fighting ability involves a considerable amount of conjecture. Also, Wargreymon's weapons were repeatedly stated to be specifically designed to destroy dramon types. It always pissed me off that Wargreymon didn't just one-shot them on sight immediately, but the story needed to happen so meh.

About time we got epic digimon power scaling, please do more!

You should do more of these especially concerning the Royal Knights.

Metal-Greymon is canonically stated to have the power of a nuclear weapon and WarGreymon make Metal-Greymon look like a toddler.

Now measure VictoryGreymon and watch the numbers go brrr

Ryo being a link between Adventure and Tamers doesn't mean that the Adventure iterations of the sovereigns are the same strength as the Tamers sovereigns.. They're different dimensions. Ryo traveling from one dimension to another doesn't instantly make all mons of the same species the same power level between the two dimensions. Case in point, V-Tamer Taichi has met with both Ryo and Reboot Taichi, however this doesn't meet the Milliniummon from the reboot is the same strength as the one from the Ryo games.

I think you’re missing contexts as well most tamer digimon are naturally stronger than their average counterparts. Tais wargreymon is likely the strongest wargreymon you’ll ever see. The issue between megidramon and gallantmon as well. Megidramon was one that lost control so it’s going to use its power wildly while gallantmon was in control of a similar amount of power that megidramon and its also the result of a human digimon bond making it even stronger.

Now that I think of it. Is Demi Fiend can scale on top in Digimon? Because SMT's scaling is wierd as heck, and even one Demi Fiend's hax is literally "That doesn't affect me, because I said so."...

Really wish people would stop trying to make Goku look like the most powerful character ever made. Goku isn't even the most powerful character in his own show.

I have a bit of a problem here. You're assuming that either the two Azulongmon are the same, or equal in power to one another. The problem is the fact that as as we know, the Tamers Sovereigns are naturally evolved versions while the Adventure ones are former Partner Digimon which means they have less overall Battle experience. Same goes for Gallantmon in Tamers who is a less than one year old Digimon sharing the driver seat with a maybe teenager. We know more experienced Digimon have a natural advantage over less experienced ones and partner Digimon take time to grow into their levels although they do so faster than normal

Wargreymon has hacks against Dramon type Digimon, his claws are called "Dramon Killers", he is literally a Dragon Slayer, he one-shotted those 2 Digimon because they have "Dramon" in their names. Don't get me wrong, Wargreymon is literally my favorite Digimon of all, and that's exactly the reason why I know his hacks. But good video btw, keep up the good work!

One should keep in mind that these are all different members of these respective species though. These specific digimon had this power. There are others within those species without that level of power. Adventure WarGreymon is only so powerful because he's powered by Taichi, and the Crest of Courage. I'm pretty sure he's significantly weaker after Adventure, since the Chosen Children, including Taichi, gave up their crests powers. Still stronger than most of his species, because of Taichi though.

TBH Wargreymon and metal Garrumon also had a hand in piedmons death as well With The Help Of Magnaangemon Being the final part of that ones defeat So really he had enough power To at least challenge piedmon as well even Without those other 2 Fighting along side him as well

How strong is MetalGarurumon though? But I do wonder is the power Omegamon has more or less multiplicative or additive of Wargreymon and MetalGarurumon, given that Royal Knights seem to trend towards being some of the best (direct) combatants in Digimon, especially since when we see Alphamon (with the Ouryuken) and Omegamon clash, the force of their first blow in adventure(?) looks like it would level a city block or two from the sheer force alone (it would also probably have been fatal to any humans in the area in a more enclosed space since I'd imagine it'd be like having a bomb go off right beside you).

Not to be a ball buster here, but in Adventure 02 when Wargreymon is fighting BlackWarGreymon, they ascend into the sky along with Imperialdramon Fighter mode. Wargreymon explicitly states that because they're out of range of people, they can do whatever they want, and the collision of both Wargreymons' Gaia Forces, along with Imperialdramon's Positron Laser, makes an explosion that doesn't even look city level. This isn't to say that what you've done here is unfounded, just that it seems like it's tough to get consistent scaling out of Digimon.

It’s me from the tiktok comments waiting on that goku

Great video I learned a lot bout the GOAT 🤝

Personal idea to why megidramon was weaker then Zhuqiaomon: Megidramon was fighting on pure instinct and didn't have any control over it's power.

Loved the video! I don't mean to be disrespectful or anything, but I think it'd do your videos good if you had some music to play in the background. Could be digimon-related soundtrack for example, or remixes thereof in terms of copyright issues. It just helps with the aesthetic, I feel.

This also implies that since omnimon has the strength of metalgarurumon and wargreymon, he is beyond complex multiversal level

Is the thumbnail just for clickbait? Ultimate level digimon on average are uni + and always have more hax and resistances than Goku would and this is before mode changes and anything else bc out Dukemon crimson mode and he’s running through the dbs verse with ease. Put the royal knights in the universal tournament and they jump jiren and get 0 losses

I feel like a cosmology video so people can see how vast the Digimon Cosmology is would have greatly helped with the scale. I can provide the script and proof for it or you can use Trexalfa and Vicious info compiled in the "Where does multiversal Digimon come from" thread for it.

Another simpler, but more direct comparison that doesn't require linking to Tamers and potentially different levels of power there- Apocalymon's suicide attack would have destroyed existence itself. The Digital world, the human world, everything. The kids powers, their own innate power, was enough to contain and then negate an attack that would have wiped out everything. That's relevant because the Adventure Digimon, more so than any other, directly draw their power from their kids. That means that *all* of the Adventure Digimon of the 8 Chosen draw on 1/8th of that power, each. And can take command of all of it, as Angemon showed, though it would kill them. 1/8th All Of Existence is pretty fucking busted.

there are some good points but also several contradictions, a Digimon does not mean that it will necessarily be as strong as its counterpart, for example Mugendramon from Digimon World 1 does not mean that it will be as strong as Mugendramon from the Dark Masters, just as that Megidramon who turned into Guilmon doesn't necessarily mean that he will be as strong as Megidramon who belongs to the Four Great Dragons, now for WarGreymon it is true that Dragon killers gives him a big advantage against Digimon Dragons but no that doesn't mean his victory is going to be a foregone conclusion, now in the battle with MetalSeadramon and Mugendramon both times he was in a difficult position as without Whamon's intervention WarGreymon was on the verge of be killing, and in Mugendramon I got a momentary but powerful Power Boost from Hikari's light with which WarGreymon using all his might succeeded and surpassed Mugendramon. In conclusion, although undeniably strong Digimon is far from being one of the strongest

Tbh I never know wargreymon power scale overall is complex multiverse tbh I never know he was that powerful.

My only problem is that the gallantmon in tamers is weaker than the royal knight one because the sovereigns are topically shown as having a lower jurisdiction and most of the royal knights are not one of kind in their species but are in power

This is true facts bro! That proves the charizard fanboys wrong, the charizard fanboys wanking that charizard will melt metalgreymon which is cap, metalgreymon was able to defeat etemon, etemon creates black hole like portals thing (aka dark spirits)

jesmon GX beats all

I mean I love war greymon but these characters can be wanked to universal to boulder level tbh but yeah if they are to crossover it would be a normal fight just like Luffy vs Goku

In the 2020 version, Wargreymon is supposedly larger because he is stronger due to his new legendary status established in the revised lore, but he barely survived Machinedramon while og Wargreymon can one shot him with ease. I guess it goes to show that size does not matter...

You also forgot to mention that War Greymon's armor gives him an advantage against Dragon Digimon, hence why he beat MetalSeadramon and Mugendramon

Wargreymon would shred Goku into Swiss cheese!!!

Which Dragon Ball Super though? The anime or the Manga? Because the manga have different feats and scaling from the anime.

There are a few circle arguments than make no sense at all: 1. Megidramon as part of the same group being as strong as Quinlonmon but loosing agains Behlzemon who loses Galantmon who loses against Zhuqhuimon, but is they are stoped be Quinlongmon who is as powerful as Zhuquimon? Q=M , M

If Goku was a dragon, I'd say yes. No that I think about it, wargreymon could probably beat omega shenron easily

The dra mon killers on his armed helped a lot in his battles

WarGreymon is actually really really strong mega Digimon but for stupid plot reasons was always nerfed in his appearances either for a episodic plot (like Taichi and Yamato making up) or to let main character and his Digimon to shine. 2020 reboot didn't nerf him, he just fucked shit up. And funniest part is it made stupid fanboys of overrated Digimon really salty.

Can’t really scale anime and manga versions of Digimon because they aren’t really the same. The power differences are extremely different.

I dont think any pokemon (Besides eternatus) Can even defend a champion level digimon so seeing the facts you put here that means WarGreymon can solo the entire pokemon verse

Next round onmimon x vs saitama

Which Dragon Ball Super though? The anime or the Manga?

Toei : INVINCIBLE !

Azulongmon stop Blackwargreymon, whos relative to this Wargreymon. Narratively the 4 beasts have to be stronger.

Goku would give him the business. Wargreymon is too slow

So, is Tai's wargreymon stronger than Cybersleuth Omnimon?

Terra Force is a quick charging Spirit Bomb... just saying...

Knowing this, now I want to see a vs debate about IDW's Optimus Prime vs Wargreymon in a battle or in a stiry when they fight because of a missunderstanding.

i dont think you should put too much credit towards that pokedex level assessment of machinedramons power lol

Digimon is kind of a weird franchise. The Digimon themshelves are supposed to be crazy powerful, like world-universe destroying levels yet ordinary children can somehow be fighting right next to or even on them and somehow survive massive explosions and other crazy attacks and it doesn't look like the kids are really protected by anything during the fights

I dont know if Galantmon/Dukemon is stronger then his dragom form but I think he's more focused instead of chaotic

Uh I can't get passed 3 min as there's already several things wrong with this. Firstly Wargreymon did NOT one-shot MetalSeadramon and in fact he almost LOST if not for outside interference. Secondly you left out that wargreymon has the Dra-Killers, which are his claws that are specifically designed to kill any digimon from the Dramon lineage. This combined with using all of his energy was how he defeated Machinedramon and even with that huge advantage he still almost died to MetalSeadramon. Yes he's strong but also he can't beat most digimons and even MagnaAngemon can defeat him solo seeing as he defeated BlackWargreymon his more powerful counterpart. Also he lost against Piedmon with help very easily.

Bearmon beats krillin

I loved the details on this video I love Digimon I still have a photo of me when I was little with my black wargreymon toy I went everywhere with me

It's crazy cause I feel like WarGreymon is nothing compared to Shoutmon X7. He's literally every Digimon in the digital world fused together.

better question why did they make a pallet swap of him into a recurring villain

Idk about metalseadramon, but Wargreymon only 1 shot Machinedtamon because of the dramon killers. It zooms into the claws and they glow right before Wargreymon attacks, then he immediately reverts to baby level. The obvious implication from thr glowing snd reversion is that he channeled everything into the dramon killers. He has a cheat code against any dragon digimon

From this video i wonder where would you scale Examon and alternatively the Rk X-antibodies Examon being the emperor of all dramon ((aka the strongest))

So WarGreymon beats Dragonball Super? That’s insane ngl. It’ll piss of a ton of people, but the information checks out. Gonna show this to my dbs debater friends and see what they think.

Yes he can wargreymon is multiverse

I am a bit confused ... None of Dark Masters seemed to me to be on the level of a royal knight or are they just stronger than othersvof their kind?

The 2 dark masters the Wargreymon killed were both dragon Digimon and Wargreymon's claws are stated to designed to kill dragon type Digimon, so he had an unfair advantage hunting those two. He was designed to kill them so while he is powerful, he is not necessary as powerful as the Dark Masters.

He didn't beat zeed though it was sealed in cyberdramon from what I came across

goku out here getting blitzed by a lizard

I’d say wargreymon scales to both magnadramon and goldramon who fought and beat millenniummon and Wargreymon even knocked that monster off his feet!

ok 1st.the dark masters were lucky to steal the azulong and the others 2nd.what is agumon's top speed to wargreymon's speed? 3rd.what is agumon's strength how much can he lift to wargreymon's strength

Many people would say that because of dramon killers, wargreymon was able to defeat metalseadramon and machinedramon but we should not forget that metalseadramon is has data attribute which means that he had an advantage over wargreymon who has vaccine attribute so in theory, that attribute advantage negs the dramon killer advantage, so wargreymon had no advantage over metalseadramon.( I think so )

I'm fine with Digimon being stronger than DB, but I'm not sure complex multiversal is enough given modern understanding of sources like the Daizenshu 7. The living universe in Dragon Ball is stated to be composed of infinite galaxies, making the universe itself actually infinite. Each Macrocosm in Dragonball is composed of many infinite realms, some of which are stated higher dimensional, such as the afterlife. This means that each 'universe' in DB is a hyperspace composed of multiple infinities, some of which are larger infinities. At the beginning of Super, Goku and Beerus' clash was reverberating across this higher dimensional macrocosm instantaneously in the manga, and within seconds in the anime. In both cases the macrocosm was going to be destroyed. Goku showcases infinite to immeasurable speed when he counters Hit's timeskip with pure speed, moves around freely in a timeless, spaceless void at the end of the Trunks arc in the manga, and when he surpasses Jiren, who was capable of overpowering Hit's timecage, which in and of itself is a timeloop. Lowballing, Goku is like 5-6D, and he literally gets millions of times stronger over the course of the series. Again, idc if Wargreymon beats Goku, it just seems like you didn't argue high enough. Multiple, or even infinite universe-sized realms is actually fodder in Dragonball right now.

id have to debunk mugendramon being onshot sure he did do it but only because he weilds the dramon killers being desinged to combat dramon type digimon but if he didnt have them then he would have lost said fight

I agree...at least jf goku high diff him.

but in Tamers that would mean the holy beasts are stronger than the Mega Digimon Beelzebumon defeated before Dukemon appeared? And the Azulongmon in that universe may be stronger than the one in Adventure. (or weaker but doesn't matter) btw, reminder that Azulongmon managed to push back BlackWarGreymon from fighting him. Yes, the enemy was weakened but Azulongmon was portrayed to be on a different level. And BlackWarGreymon is stronger than WarGreymon. He also won against MetalSeadramon thanks to Whamon and against Machinedramon thanks to the power of light combined with his Dramon Killers that give him an advantage against these Digimon who are also Virus Attribute who are weak to Vaccine Attribute Digimon. Lastly there is another issue which is that the Dark Masters aren't all equal in strength as Piemon can beat both WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon with ease despite being Virus Attribute. So the scaling is not linear to justify such a feat.

Is digimon tri's wargreymon still as strong and if so, how strong is the omegamon that fought alphamon?

Er... Sorry to pop your bubble... But Wargreymon is nowhere NEAR Holy Beast levels... Adventure completly exaggerated the power of the Dark Masters. Also, Wargreymon oneshotting MetalSeadramon and Mugendramon was only possible because of the Dramon Killers, they literally are made to eliminate dragon type digimon. Also, the Dukemon of Tamers is *NOT* a Royal Knight, just an average Dukemon. Is stated that not all the "Royal Knight" type digimon that appeared towards the franchise are the actual Royal Knights that are under Iggdrasil command, that's the reason why the Omegamon gets anhililated by Armaggedomon on the movie. And in fact, Wargreymon is not even the most powerfull "Greymon family" mega level...

I'm not trying to disprove your video. I'm just wonder if it's possible that the four Holy beasts from Tamer could have different power levels than Adventure.

I wouldn't put Wargreymon over the dark marsters. He was injured when fighting Machindramon and mostly overpowered against Piedmon and Puppetmon, whom straight up defeated him in one way or another. It makes sense if you consider that Wargreymon was able to overcome only those two darkmasters due to his natural advantage agaisnt dragons. Wargreymon and Metalgarurumon could not beat Piedmon by themselves in any realistic way and needed to rely on Magnaangemon's special abilities, this is due to (as commented by Piedmon himself) inexperience with his form. Only a fully experienced Wargreymon could rival Piedmon's strenghth and, even then, he would have difficulties overcoming his tricks without his friends.

He's like planetary maybe star level stop the madness.

This is a nice analysis but I don't completely agree with this scale. When Megidramon was defeated by Beelzmon, it was consumed by rage and going on a rampage to destroy everything, while Beelzemon was collected and fighting using more than just raw power. That implies that a tamed Megidramon or ChaosGallantmon (which is the "rational" version of Megidramon) would be able to do way better in that fight. And looking the other way around, neither Beelzemon or any of the Sovereigns would be able to output enough power to wipe the world like Megidramon does, as the only comparison to that that I am aware of would be Milleniumon or maybe Arcadimon. That would probably place Megidramon at Lucemon's level at the very least - again, measuring raw power instead of combat ability. Also, I wouldn't put the Sovereigns so below the Dark Masters either, as the Dark Masters used some underhanded methods to seal them instead of a direct confrontation. And there's an argument to be made that holding the Digital World together does consume some of the Digimon's power, meaning the Sovereigns were not at their full potential when they were sealed, neither were the Dark Masters when WarGreymon defeated them, but that's hypothetical.

But what if Mori Dan fought War Greymon next 🤔

Have you seen the death battle discussion video about ash and pikachu vs Tai and wargreymon? They were basically saying Pikachu is universal and could beat wargreymon

If the first series said Metalseadramon and Machinedramon are dragon type digimon, then Wargreymon one-shot them because of that reason. Even if they are officially not, it is said there so the writers went with it.

You are kind of forgetting that War Greymon is an anti-Dragon killer. His signature weapons are the Dramon Killers, after all. Of course, he would be well equipped to kill the dark masters that are also dragons. He could be punching above his own weight class.

2020 really made me sick of Wargreymon... -_-

nice analysis and good points.... but Gaia Force is basically just Super Genkidama. I believe that counting Digi Multiverses equal to normal Universes is too much. A digital universe could as well be something like a minecraft universe or something....Simply said, a digital universe is less complex. Well I just hope someone gets my point cause I don't wanna write an essay in the YT Comments.

Tbh imo Imperialdramon and the Sovereign are pretty weak as megas. But that might just be me.

Yes.

I think you’re confusing brute force feats with conceptual feats. Just because someone can destroy Dr. Manhattan’s body doesn’t mean they can also blow up a universe. Just because war greymon can one shot mugendramon who’s anchoring a part of spiral mountain doesn’t mean war greymon can destroy a universe. Btw: war greymon immediately reverted to koromon after that clash implying they’re actually evenly matched. And that’s ignoring how war greymon is a part of omnimon a member of the royal knights alongside galantmon implying war greymon is significantly weaker than galantmon rendering all that sovereign scaling moot.

Dbs scalers can get goku to hyperversal to outerversal Via koyama statements If u exclude koyama statements its atleast low complex multi to high complex multi Goku would probably stomp Wargreymon

If I recall right on WHY Wargreymon took down Machiendramon and MetalSeadramon; it was because of his DramonSlayers. His metal clawed gauntlets. Its that or I'm misremembering something...

Magedramon alone solos DBS while in time out. Wargreymon is not fair

Who's stronger alphamon from tri or manga alphamon