A nice parallel you’ve spotted there!

They are not serious people

Well..that's Logan's narcissistic move with his grown kids..

NOT SERIOUS PEOPLE!!

@@mariapassarelli219 super giant narc

most of the reminiscing, as it were, on the show is tied to repressed trauma, such as the ‘game’ with the dog cage

no nostalgia at all... you can see the proof of it when roman is asked somewhere in season 3 : "any past good memories with your father?" and roman just keeps on saying "next question"

​@@vaibhavchaturvedi9826and his good memory is with Connor and not with his dad

@@clarabp2613 true

Also in season 1 Logan is alone with kid Kendall but later all the kids are together showing that the succession is open for the taking and whoever can join

I actually figured it was foreshadowing that she'd end up mostly alone. And i just wrapped up the finale a few hours ago... Things weren't looking peachy for her

Don't forget that there is a scene of teenage Shiv was alone and Logan touched her shoulder from behind and her facial expression changed from looking sad to looking scared.

Right before that there is a cut with the same iconic picture of the siblings together expect Connor is farther apart from the rest of the siblings adding to the the theme of him always being left out

That is good point that I hadn’t realised, so your guess is as good as mine!

Wow so true! I'm always waiting for some type of flashback and it never happens!

I love the music! THINK ABOUT IT! I think that the facial expressions of the children change from anticipation of being with their dad and how special this can make them feel to puzzlement over why he is constantly walking away from them and leaving them behind. Even his wife has been conditioned to feel this way which leads to the break up of her marriage...she is not a child to be dismissed and overlooked... which was the same reason his second wife gave when they seperated. I particularly notice the stance of the children after their dad leaves them where two have clenched fist and two have their hands held behind their backs. The oldest and youngest are standing to attention with their hands behind their backs in response to their dad's authority and in strict obedience to stand up straight and wait to be spoken to, they believe their dad loves them. The middle children are clenching their fists as a reaction to their dad's tyranny and indifference to their need for his love and there is a growing resentment. It takes the oldest child such a long time to understand that he is not loved and it has devastating affect on his psyche and you can sense his wounded soul while the other three have formed a sibling bond that seems indifferent to their half brother's pain which is also unloving...and with which the three can depend on for support and camaraderie when they have experienced episodes of their brutal, ruthless father's tyranny. I can't wait to see how the three sibs deal with their young cousin who has grown up with his grandfather's self-righteous hypocrisy and undaunted claim to superiority over his young brother (demonstrating a long term animosity between two sons). The cousins grandfather is an elitist who embraced pure capitalist is also a philanthropist and who has money invested which builds upon itself and for which we know nothing of what his financial portfolio consists of...we know he is also a billionaire who doesn't work...what was his job before "retirement"? The cousins uncle is a "captain of industry" who embraced pure capitalism and whose decisions affect the economy of the country and the personal lives of his employees. The introduction hints to the devastating effects of the love of money over the love for his family and ingratitude towards his employees who make his wealth grow every day of their lives. There remains a disconnect in his personal relationships demonstrated with clarity when we see his daughter walking her pony the way you'd walk your dog instead of riding it because her dad finally got the pony years after she begged him for one and now she is too big to ride it and enjoy it. I thought their dad was an atheist until his second wife talked about a Catholic funeral. CHILLING TO THE CORE! Does he love his children? I know that the writers have wanted us to believe it to be so (greg-speak) but I am not convinced. His contemptuous attitude is backed up by his familial cannibalism and I suspect that their hapless to savvy cousin will succeed because he remains on the "outside" of his uncles dominance and control just enough that he can learn from this self-destructing family before it totally implodes. Quite frankly the introductions is missing old photos and ought to have included the occasion where "Greg the egg" was treated like the family "pet" and poked fun of by everyone else placing him on the receiving end of a family joke...it would be such a pleasure to watch this cousin reign supreme in the end. Can't wait! The music fills my heart with dread and makes me want to watch this tragedy unfold even though I hope for a miraculous saving grace to rescue them all. Thanks for reading all of my analysis. (4-25-2023). I love to hate this drama.

Sometimes there are flashbacks in conversation/dialog, like with the mother talking about their childhood or the divorce, or Conners mother being institutionalized and not seeing Logan for many years- and Roman in the dog pound. In any case, we get the idea there was a lot of loneliness for each of them and no sympathy for that bc they come from money.

​@@constanceaverman4364You asked if Logan loved his children. I'm not sure. I do think he very much enjoyed being the focus of their attention, and he enjoyed them competing for his attention & love. I was really surprised to see that he actually took action to go see them when they didn't come to his party. It hurt him when they stopped dancing attendance on him. But even then he couldn't truly be kind or loving, he pretty much just wanted them to come back and give him attention again, which they didn't seem happy to do anymore. Such a sad dysfunctional dynamic. Fun to watch though!

this is so random lol but seeing the iris pfp made me so happy

@@wonpomme omg thanks GAA is the best

@@hollowayraulie1422 i played both the original trilogy and the apollo justice one and i just purchased GAA a few days ago, but i keep seeing cute stuff about iris and sholmes so i can’t wait to finally play it!!

Wow nice spot! I had never even noticed that.

Did you grow in such environment?

Someone else made an interesting comment on the age of the children, and how it is all just a farce

Shiv and Kendall are a decade apart too

​@@mushy470 Nope, That's the difference between real-life actors and ofc in Succession, Siobhan n Ken are like havin five years of age gap

@@human_aka_manav where did you find out? I'm not saying you're wrong btw, I just read that it was around 30,35,40 in a few articles and just believed it but I'd love to know if the writers have out something official or if the ages are mentioned in the show

@@mushy470Well just like you've said, the writers haven't really mentioned the timeline of these characters but Kendall was like 39 and turning into his forties around season 3 and as he once mentioned that he did something bad to Roman when Rom was like four year old, that makes us think that he's around his mid-late 30's and as for Shivyyy, She's in her early 30's idk maybe 33 if I'd guess

Indeed, I found it a hard watch at first but I’m so glad I stuck with it!

what? That intro music is a masterpiece

@@Sk8forsocks Yes, I agree. That's why I said "I love it".

I had the same initial reaction as well! The composer actually wanted it to be like that.

@@Sk8forsocks OMG, I agree. That music is best music ever used for television, except for maybe Barney Miller or Welcome Back Kotta, or MASH, but none of those are used throughout their shows. I can hum it in my head for 8 hours, and it just gets better every minute. It can be played at any speed, with any set of instruments. Just genius. I would put it in a category with Philip Glass because of its utility. It's not just "opening music". Thanks.

Seconded

The Sopranos still number 1

Exactly. The most disturbing part of that is how he steps back first after the photo is taken, as if he's disgusted by having to appear loving. As he walks off, Kendall looks after him longingly, with an expression that says "what is dad thinking?". It always seems like the kids concern is what dad is thinking. It's perfect.

Really interesting point! I had never thought of that but a good observation

Thissssss

Exactly, it’s definitely not the Roy kids or their family. I remember seeing someone say the writers say the intro was just meant to show a reflection of that affluent lifestyle. In my head I’ve always called it “the sad kid intro” because even though it’s not *our* sad kids, other sad kids are dealing with the same stuff. It gives me the same feeling the theme tune does, where it feels like what they’re going through will never end and play on a loop forever. There will be other kids dealing with a father figure like Logan with a life that *seems* opulent and picture perfect.

Yeah, you've perfectly articulated the thought that stirs somewhere in the back of my head as I watch the opening credits. It's like they used a cine film from a similar family they came across somewhere or other, and put it out as a 'close to', which no one would know whether it was a real one or not (hence Logan does not appear - the only one who'd be recognised). Like the way a news organisation could use a fake clip to illustrate a point, for which the watcher would be unable to judge its veracity.

I’ve always thought the same thing. Kids are not really his the characters because the ages and decades are so off.

Exactly, I immediately read it as metaphorical. One of the most striking scenes is the very last; a man is walking away, just out of frame. The four children looking in his direction. They are obsessed with knowing what he’s doing, and getting his attention.

Spot on!!! I just completed more or less the same with some added points. They tried to correct this for S2 with more 80s but it was a mistake to break away from the themes of S1s intro. Come the finale season I feel like they had somewhat corrected this but S1 just hit it home so well!

Roy kids would have been in adolescence in the 90s and early 2000s, (except Conner), but yes, agreed.

Thank you!

What are the other intros you have chosen? I'm curious

@@lucy-gq4nx Mainly a lot of older intros that make good use to music or have unforgettable songs. Highlander, The A-Team, Airwolf, DuckTales (the original series), Chip and Dale’s Rescue Rangers, The Walking Dead, Battlestar Galactica, Firefly. They may not all make the final cut, but I’m considering all those. I’m open to suggestions too!

How do you figure it is diegetic~? I've never heard it played inside any of the episodes. Diegetic refers to music that both we and the people in the scene hear at the same time, such as like when characters are in a bar.

Yep I did👍.

I’m glad someone agrees!

I would like to see her get her due but as Logan’s wife, maybe Marcia has a shot.

@@bernadettedevereaux8694 Marcia is barely involved though?

​@@user-something19At the intro, Logan was still marrying Caroline, the mother of Kendall, Roman and Siobhan / Shiv (Connor's mom was in asylum) . And yes, the red hair woman is Caroline in younger age so that's why Shiv has a red hair in her adulthood. Also, Logan married Marcia when his kids are in adulthood.

Looks like u were right lol

wtf

@@Sk8forsocks indeederino

But the timline doesn't make sense. These videos appear to be from the 50s/60s. The Logan children are millennials, so born and raised in the 80s & 90s (except Conner).

That would be interesting! But at the same time I kind of want succession to just be, succession

Can’t see anyone besides Brian cox playing Logan

Yes, and he was posing with young Kendall. How do I know that kid is Kendall? Because that kid looks so proud just like Kendall who's always proud of what he's doing.

Interesting observation. What is the name and channel of the video that had the lecture-style/stilted narration? I’d like to see it.

I think it is. Also, at least in the final few epizodes, I spot Jerry on the left.

Yeah, I think it's supposed to be deliberately misleading? Although I assume that Logan and Caroline lived with the kids in an English manor type house at some point, since it was established that Caroline was from a wealthy British family. Kendall, Roman and Shiv were all born in England. After the divorce, Logan won full custody of the children and took them to live in the U.S.

Thank you!

you could say that the intro is the gist of the whole show, how the focus is about the logan kids and the absence of their father

Yeah, I always thought that was an odd looking shot, like the children were on the gallows.

They are twins.

Thank you! Much appreciated.

No. As Rhea pointed out, correctly, Shiv"s not as smart as she thinks she is. And any time she's given a chance in the spotlight, she bumbles terribly.

@@cethomas324 hmm last episode ended with a lot of queetion marks in my head...

There shouldn't be hard comparisons between the two families especially since the liberties of fiction come into play. In any case the Roy's are seen as New Money from an American perspective as it appears Logan made his success when he got of the boat from Scotland.

Many events in the show are taken exactly from Rupert Murdoch's real life. there are lots of other moments that reference other extremely wealthy families, but the Murdoch's are the main inspiration. ATN is Fox News, obviously. Murdoch didn't exactly come from nothing, but he did actually build a small local news station into a media empire.