I feel Cluth claw gave us the best way a practical human being can get close to a Bigass monster which are always moving faster being bigger.. the Worse thing is wirebugs in Rise and monster riding.. Monster riding removed the ELEGANCE, the Attitude & personality of monster.. Like really ( Riding shagaru magala, Rajang, riding on wind lord Kushala itself fyck off )

@@SpadeApeiron No mechanic should directly affect damage numbers as the game becomes inevitably balanced around it and the mechanic is forced on you. The Clutch Claw should have only increased partbreak damages or been a reasonably powerful attack, which would have felt more of a reward for getting the opening. The Clutch Claw can shatter from the get-go Kulve Taroth's arms and chest gold armor and is the only way to safely punish Alatreon's floor is ice attack. The Clutch Claw should have been focused on stuff like that rather than tenderizing hitzones, which doesn't make sense as clutch claw attacks are average damage at best, why are your regular high damaging attacks not tenderizing too?

@@johan9428 Yea good point ~ Clutch claw mechanic should have had limited uses and when it used tactically it'd be like our SUPER move. in case of safijiva we have to use Clutch claw to partbreak. without clutchclaw Safijiva quest can never be completed..

How iceborne ruined this channel The expansion was enjoyable, one of the biggest expansions sold in gaming, millions of people love it, except a guy on here who felt like whining about a gimmic in a game where shotguns can be made from a hide of a monster

@@brianleal87 I disagree with Heavy Wings saying that the clutch claw ruined the entire game as I still like it a lot for everything else. But he is right when he says that the tenderizing mechanic is a neat negative which brings nothing good to the gameplay, only makes it more tedious for the sake of it. The tenderizing mechanic is viewed by most players as the worst thing to have ever been implemented in MH. I would personally be fine with the clutch claw without the tenderizing mechanic and all the balancing around it. But the tenderizing mechanic? I hope we never see it or something similar ever again in future games.

That is a good point. In four players, 1 clagger = 4 tenderized spots. As a solo player, you get one and it is notl like you will have access to this tenderized spot non-stop.

Probably, as a solo hunter, the few time I had one or more people helping made this almost imperceptibly.

The point is that the hunts in IB took too long without tenderizing with clutch claw. The game relied too heavily on clutch claw. Base game was fine.

Despite but not thanks to

I was elemental LBG main in worlds and unless u have some1 softening the right parts for ranged damage u will go 2-4 times per fight to camp to restock ammo or run around farming....

In a sense yeah, but even without the tenderising the claw is just weirdly implemented. The aiming not really working, only some weapons having integrated combos, being thrown off constantly etc. It was not a good idea to add it in the expansion.

@@HeavyWings Personally, I had little issue with the Claw. Sure it adds tenderizing but as a SnS player often unless I get more chances to do it, I'm better off just finding the other spots to whack a monster. Times I use the claw are -avoid an attack -tenderize specific monster spots over time to make certain stuff easier to do, such as Rajang legs in case I just wish to add damage in. -Extra damage on a fleeing monster -The Wallbang. I will say though the big swords should of gotten faster animations for their big tenderizers. I still prefer the clutch over Wirebugs though anyday. Personally find then very clunky and it wasn't until freaking Narwa that I figured out how they work. Even then, I don't get the shifts, I see people abuse it and get slapped to death, and it ain't my cup of tea. There's also nothing quite like Alatreon shredding through your mantle when you clutch his head and mercing you. That's a fun anti-claw thing and it naturally plays in with finding openings on the guy.

yeah wallbangs are fun to pull of but it like with Rise.. that can be integrated in the mounting bit.

@@Ramotttholl I actually don't like mounting in Rise either, and it ties into the general dislike of Wirebugs. I really enjoyed the actual strat of mounting the Monster for a good knockdown in World. Now it's just yeeting around and stuff Edit; should clarify its specifically the stamina contest. Alatreon and Fatalis are pretty fun to hop on but a mistake can potentially ruin the attempt. Those dashes are brutal.

and the real issue with tenderizing is that they make monsters with dogshit hitzones to balance it out, forcing you to use the clunk claw

I agree with this statement can't wait for rise to come to console next year on January 20th 2023

hmm after beaten velkhana 4 times, this was the first time I even heard about cluth claw. XD I'm so blind

@@Felix-dh9tl try beat AT Velkhana without clutch claw lol

@@famicom89 yeah sounds like pain… slamming monsters in the wall is pretty nice

Break horn -people who fight elders.

You also have a def boost and a resistance to being thrown off if you "counter grab" but i main lance and i will be honest it keep you from sharpening alots

Same with Dual Blades, clutch clawing mid combo meant you never had to stop attacking to aim and grapple on

The hammer combo is pretty cool too but all the other ones are weird or completely breaks the immersion

Insect glaive had a kinda similar system where you would be flying to reposition anyways, so instead of descending thrust you can descending clutch. Kinda still sucked because you need to tenderize twice

Clutching with the bow is too smooth to complain about and is perfect for dodging sweeping attacks.

Rise/sunbreak feels more like a God eater title than a mh one, prolly just me tho.

I prefer world's grounded combat and speed, but I really dislike the clutch claw. I have over 1300 hours in iceborne but you'll never see me defend the clutch claw. Sunbreak has its thing with being really fast paced and frontloading a lot of the weapons most powerful attacks to silkbinds, but as a whole I vastly prefer wirebugs over the clutch claw, even though for mh6 I hope they got rid of both. Mh6 should just have world's grounded combat with sunbreaks switch skills and I'll be happy

@@WisdomAkpan211 no, I agree, I didnt like that the clutch claw tenderize because it became mandatory. If it was just an optional damage boost mechanic that hunters can do, it would have been better. Wirebugs was implemented properly by being a core mechanic, however, it made the whole game to become a DPS fest instead. With almost every weapon having a counter, hunters didnt mind their positioning much anymore, in fact for some of the strongest weapons, they want the monster hit them so they can shortcut into their strongest attacks which to me was kinda backwards thinking. In older games we were rewarded for knowing proper positioning, knowing the monsters AOE but instead in Rise we press a button just before a monster hits and we get rewarded with even more damage. Overall, I have the same sentiments. Keep only the grounded stuff and bake them into the weapon movesets, remove the silkbind moves (especially the shortcuts which ignore the resource mechanics of weapns and the counters because not every weapon should have a counter IMO) and no clutch claw and claggers (slinger could stay or not, clutch claw could become its own weapon). Having switch skills (not switch skill swap) would expand the movesets too without making the controls too complicated and we can kinda make our own "Styles" but nothing to drastic from the core of the weapons themselves.

@forlogic53 I was looking for the best comment I could find so that I could respond. I agree with your comment in almost every way. But my agreement is primarily about how you articulated the way that IB 'feels' versus Rise. You are absolutely right about how wirebugs changed weapons AND the hunts themselves. Positioning, timing, knowledge of your weapons' capabilities, etc are what made world spectacular. Nothing is the same in rise. (Hell, any time you can pick up a SnS and it has more base raw than a hammer of the same rarity you have a problem). I only disagree with ppl who do think claw inhibits the flow. I started with the franchise in MHW so cluth claw has always been integrated into my playstyle. I just dislike its' inaccuracy.

I tend to agree, and to be honest, Rise’s combat just wasn’t for me. However, like the video said, it was like that from the beginning. No bait and switch.

@@Knights_of_the_Nine i think you played a different game if you think clutch claw auto stagger the monster. Not only they nerf some jewel so they can incorporate tenderizing to the skill, they also ruin the flow of combat by adding clagger to the monster. And no, I can't pretend the clutch claw is not there if my damage output got downscale because i don't tenderize the monster.

​@ilham adi gunawan The only way your damage is "downscaled" by the claw is the WEX nerf. Seeing it as a nerf if you don't use it (instead of a buff if you do) is a pessimistic attitude, which of course would lead you to hate it. And face it, WEX is OP and needed a nerf. Even if you don't use the claw at all, it's still the best skill in the game. And if you try to say that the nerfed hitzones are a way your damage was downscaled, nerfed monster hitzones to try and force the claw is really just... not a thing. I'm sorry, it's just not. To my knowledge, no base game monsters actually had their hitzones significantly changed going into Iceborne, at least not to the extent to make claw "required" (which it never was). What DID happen was that some monster SUBSPECIES like Coral Pukei-Pukei and Acidic Glavenus ended up with worse overall hitzones than their base species, but that usually happens with subspecies anyway. Plus, even then, those monsters still always had one or more hitzones that was able to get the first part of WEX that didn't require the claw, just like every other monster. This isn't even mentioning that World was the first game with single player scaling. Outside of base World, Iceborne at the time was literally the easiest MH game to solo, claw or not. And claggers REALLY don't happen that often at the endgame of Iceborne. Title Update monsters especially almost NEVER clagger, and Fatalis doesn't even have one at all. You're lucky if you get a single clagger to happen on a Rajang or Alatreon. I could go on, but unless you want to continue the discussion, I won't bother you with a longer comment lol. (EDIT: I have now actually seen proof that hitzone nerfs were indeed a thing in Iceborne and now feel dumb for claiming they weren't lol. I still maintain my opinion though that they weren't severe enough to make tenderizing "mandatory." The most severe nerfs from what I can tell were on already easy monsters like Pukei-Pukei and Tobi-Kadachi. But something like Rathalos and Rathian's heads were only nerfed by around 5, which isn't a huge difference on an already great hitzone.)

It's not mandatory. You're just Long sword user and you're not given a good option with this system.

Or a bow gun user, or a hunting horn user, or a

@@Andrew-hz5zc firstly, i don't know ehat WEX is, sorry haha And for your other take, it's fair but the general gist I'm getting at is i still feel even though statistical and system wise it's a minor nerfs, it's still bugs me that everytime my TCS hit, there's a small amount of different in the damage number if i tenderize it or not. And everytime the monster got to clagger state, i always miss my hit because the state itself demands the player to at least cluch to the monster, either to wallbang it or to tenderize it (or to reset the clagger timer), not to mention how far the monster position are before and while in clagger state. It's aggravating at least for me, and i love my ooga booga big TCS number lol

As another lance main, i want this move in mh6 even though the clutch claw will be removed probably

I do mention that mod near the end of the video. I would download it but I want to beat Iceborne as it is at least one more time because the mod rebalances a lot of things.

I wish you could mod console games. That would help a lot in ps4 for me lol

Oh, that's cool!

@@chadderbug7587 same. I have 6k+ hours in World, and honestly, 4u is probably my favorite next to FU. I remember thinking a few hundred hours in, "I'm not enjoying this like the others," and that was _before_ the clutch claw. I find I liked MH more as a hunting sim-like. There are videos on how Hunting "lost" its roots that are great teachers of the old ways. I'm rare enough as a PSP solo player convert, but those even fewer I met as PS2 adopters from first and second gen... that would have been my paradise.

I wish I could use it, but reject their Longsword changes...

@@brownboy1468 if we don’t like it, we don’t like it. Simple as. It’s a fucking boring and annoying tool to use. And I don’t like having to stop what I’m doing to tenderize some part or else I’ll miss out on big damage. Don’t tell us to stop complaining over literal personal opinions.

@@brownboy1468 You aren't someone that likes to play with optimization which is fine but for those of us that do the cc is a dogshit addition

@@brownboy1468 Look, I don’t think cc is a huge deal most of the time either and for most monsters, I think it can be largely ignored. But…take a look at a monster like Safi’Jiiva, or Fatalis, these monsters have huge health pools and tiny time limits in comparison to the rest of the monsters. If you don’t use the cc for these monsters, which offer some of the best gear in the game, more likely than not you will NOT be winning and by proxy, not be able to acquire some of the best end game gear

​@@bonkusdonkus3743 skill issue

​@@setya4540 virgin

Finally, someone who gets it that isnt blinded by World being there first game and thinking its flawless

@@drxavier1870 World is also my first MH game and the moment I set foot in iceborne i said "this feels extremely poor, design wise". Had pretty pleasant experience in base world while iceborne felt so bad, still does. The large increase in HP, mandatory tenderizing, having to wallbang to get the damage in, the fact monsters are so fast that if you play slow weapon (I play CB) you have to wait for an opening which at times takes extremely long (which ties into poor design of massive HP and mandatory tenderizing) unless you create that opening with wallbang or do a 1 attack punish (at most 2) after you learn the moveset of the enemy. Now, learning moveset on your first attempt is not gonna happen, which is normal, so you aren't getting a lot of punishes, and the ones you do get result in very minimal damage overall (taking the entire HP into account, monster speed and their ability to stun you frequently since you don't know their moveset on your first attempt, and even few attempts after that). The amount of times I've said "Can I play the game please?" while going through iceborne is absurd. I don't think I've said that so many times in my 25 years of gaming, that's how poorly designed iceborne is in my opinion. As the good person above said, many might come and say "git gud" but that's just a phrase everyone throws nowadays. Played harder games than this, nothing wrong with not being good as a new player in the game, problem is when not being good in the game as a new player is tied to game being unfair with poor design (stunned into cart because on the same move that killed you, monster attacked after 2 seconds the first time, but second time it attacked after 4, since you decided to wait the full duration of getting up) and not your skill. The problem isn't getting gud, you get good by playing more and learning, problem is if gameplay itself isn't good/doesn't feel good, which is how iceborne feels. Apparently, to capcom, increasing the difficulty means this: Make monster extremely fast, give it large HP and make it attack non stop for 1-2 minutes. Again, you will find openings in those monsters after you have learned their moveset, but it's not a good design if only openings you find that aren't 1 attack punish for 50-100 damage on a 20k or more HP come after you have fought them enough to learn entire moveset. That's just poor design. They just made everything so fast/aggressive/relentless/tanky just because they screwed up and introduced new mechanics game didn't need in the first place (clutch claw/tenderizing). You can make the game harder without resorting to cheap and bad mechanics. So I am forced to wallbang a monster for big opening to do damage. Okay. I wallbang a monster, get my big damage in. Capcom's answer to this as a "balance" counterplay? Monster is now enraged for 45-60 seconds, where it's faster and more aggressive. That to me is the most lazy and uninspired design ever. Forcing me to use something that shouldn't have been in the game and I find not fun and good to use just because they didn't know how to make the game difficult in a proper way so they resorted to most bland option, make them extremely fast and tanky. Majority of iceborne monsters don't feel good to fight. They are just sponges that move at lightning speed and force you to use bad and unfun mechanics they added for god knows which reason. Anyway, base world was okay for the most part, iceborne is just a boring pushover with nothing really interesting in it.

@@BleedingMem0ry ok i disagree on the fight part theres some really fun monsters in World but yeah Clutch Claw is stupid because its forced but also meta. Agitator LvL is bassically manditory because the Monster is always enraged or on the floor. Im glad you see the issues though, most people just say Skill Issue or treat Iceborne like its the second coming of Jesus and perfection

And most people shit on Wirebugs in Rise despite the Clutch Claw being way more centralizing and punishing NOT to use

@@drxavier1870 Yeah, there were a few fun fights. Problem is if there are 200 monsters in the game but only 5 of them are fun and the remaining 195 are dull, boring and annoying because they are practically the same, and the only difference between them is their size. Nothing is flawless in this world, if people treat this expansion as flawless they actually need to play more games instead of only playing this one. This is among most flawed games ever made, so I find it funny really that people call it flawless, I guess they don't know better and never played a game with really good design choices. Yeah, going in without agitator is just losing damage because of reasons you mentioned, absolutely correct. It's forced on the player, much like the poor design choice that is the clutch claw. Nice to see someone understands things and can point out the horrible decisions capcom made with iceborne.

Oh Shit. 😨

While it does add some deliberateness to the game, it does so in an extremely contrived way that feels divorced from the combat itself. It's deliberate in the way doing the QTE finishing move to kill the trash mobs is deliberate in other games.

If you are talking about optimal damage, let’s also remember that hunters don’t use powders and seeds or even traps all the time so saying you need clutch claw for optimal damage is kind of hypocritical. In that regard you aren’t forced to use it because there are other ways to increase damage that hunters actively ignore because it’s too much hassle.

yep same it didnt bother me too much

Clutch claw to me overly centralized combat around wallbangs. A free knockdown alongside ridiculously high damage for basically nothing isn't fun or interesting, you just do it because it's easy and rewarding. With silkbinds, which somewhat achieve the same function, it becomes a lot harder to perform after the first one, so it becomes a big reward everyone is working towards.

@@SethAbercromby hmmm I don’t know about that, I mean in one fight you can ride 2 other monsters and punish the target causing massive damage plus a long down, then ride the target, yeet it into a wall 3-4 times (if you have a 3rd wirebug) then get a down. They seem pretty comparable to me. Oh and we all know monsters always wander to you so you can ride them.

I went through the same process, except i went from Xbox to ps4. I also remember struggeling in a long drawn out battle with Beotodus the first go. The second go round was smooth. Though I honestly don't believe it was from the clutch claw. When I first fought Beo, I was not only new to the monster. But also new to the damage, speed and health it had. I struggled to recognize openings because I wasn't used to the snow. I struggled in all aspects. The second time we met, I was fully comfortable with every element of that fight. Whether i used the clutch claw or not, it was going to go smoothly because I was at a COMPLETELY different skill level then I was the first time. I came into that fight better prepared mentally and also better equipped.

i can agree but most fights were generally 20mins. so if it didn't exist you be forced into a 20 min hunt. it just makes it easier. also to me it never felt needed hell i rarely even noticed the difference

Absolutely, I really dislike both of those mechanics. It's also one of the reasons why I didn't really connect with Rise. In Rise you feel more like some superhero/demigod than a Hunter.

@robinmattheussen2395 I know, monsters are punching bags most of the time, and barely any preparation before the quest, no bombs, no meat, traps, flash bombs, just beat it until it dies.

well if you're okay seeing white damage numbers and bouncing back every so often lol, some monsters were designed with pretty terrible base hitzones just to force the use of the claw, which was actually the main complaint most people had

@@hua.. The short answer is Get better weapons

@@hua.., bruh you need a better weapon with better sharpness 🤣 I barely get white numbers or bounce offs with a white sharpness insect glaive. Not too mention the glaives combo straight into the clutch claw so it feels seamless to me whenever I see an opportunity

Previously if you didn't want to ride, you would have to not attack the monster for like 7 seconds, massive pace breaker. They added a setting that makes it so attacking doesn't trigger the ride, so you can keep wacking on the monster and they'll return to normal. You can also set Followers to ride for you if you don't want to.

@@HeavyWings that's good news! I play with my trusted hunting group, and I already made clear I don't want to ride. That option is super sweet, thanks

So true. I loved the pets and just got addicted to trying to get all the crowns. Lol. But tenderizing is definitely a chore. Especially on Safi’jiiva. Good grief is that fight just overly tedious.

Tenderizing is a chore yeah, but you don't have to wall bang if you don't want to dude

​@@Slepepeit's was? All I can remember is people failing the mission cause they choose to put tenderizing above their own future. Ain't that the reason it gets mad and well... attacks you without chill? So you can't depend on it and actually play the game with the damage you get without tenderizing

@@Cataclysm999 I played the entire game and 100% it without the claw I maybe used it a hand full of times at the very start of the game in the test area, hell I still don't know how to tenderize to this day nor wall bang you can act like it doesn't exist and still be able to do all the content like no joke I've been able to do the hardest hunts in the game solo without ever using the claw the only use I found from it was shooting stuff out of it to keep the monster from fleeing and shooting a environment piece like the huge rock falling.

I only use the claw to hitch a ride on the monster when he is running away then I hop off when low stam. CB user here and I don't need to tenderize shiiiiiet.

Adamant charge wirebug skill

@@Tomix4k byeah

That's what wirebugs are in rise.

People hate the necessity of clutch claw in world but in rise where not using a wirebug counter or wirebug skill is a DPS loss they like it

@@Alatyreon Wirbugs aren't just a dps loss. They are kinda your main defence for specific weapons that can't block.

Swax

Also it gave us less reasons to have self preservation

That's because you're a fanatic. XD

Yeah the Lance counter is a lot of fun!

I for some reason like the sns roll/claw move too, is even useful to doge some attacks

I didn't ay many weapons in World, but I liked that you could combo into a clutch grab with the hammer pretty easily. Then there's IG. I hated and always avoided the claw. It was horribly difficult to aim from the air, so it didn't matter that you could use it airborne lol. I never got the muscle memory down of clicking the stick to swap to clutch claw, so I'd end up sheathing first. It wasn't til endgame of Iceborne that I felt really forced to tenderize

Honestly I only ever use clutch claw to wall bang. I'm not one to tenderize. It just means my hunts take a bit longer

Yeah some of the attacks are pretty cool to use, big fan of how it's integrated into the hammer for instance. Just wish it was well implemented.

@@HeavyWings that’s another weird thing abt it - it’s barely integrated with the moveset on weapons like greatsword. severely hurts the viability of those weapons in comparison to other ones

@@StellarRetribution Exactly, I find myself unable to switch off of Duel Blades because of their ability to tenderize easily after one of their combos. Now if I switch to any other weapon I am severely handicapped without that ability

because it is fun to use? xd maybe?

You gain way to much from using it more damage easier part breaks more monster down time Btw they nerfed so many hitzones on monsters in icebourne even further making ppl relay o. The clutch claw

I believe that only a certain weapon or two have that ability. Probably the SS. Play with other weapons and see for yourself.

@@kukukachu will do. I played mostly LS and HBG, there this was an option.

@@pascal2666 All weapons can use slinger and claw while unsheathed. However, Insect Glaive, Lance, and the ranged weapons need to click in the right circle pad (on Console) to swap between normal aim mode (or in the case of lance, claw counter mode) to slinger/claw aim mode.

@@Andrew-hz5zc yea that is what I remember. I played enough Worldborn that I can't tell what actions to press, I just do it without thinking :( but I felt like sheathing is something I rarely do before clawing. Anyhow, playing some hours Worldborn and then Risebreak gave me some conclusions Heavy was pointing out. Even though I like the claw combat wise, I don't like it being mandatory to progress in a decent pace. In contrast, I started learning Lance today in Risebreak and immediately liked the switchskills and their integration. A difference in feel like day and night.

Great point. Slag ruined bl2 for me.

wow almost like end game requires a certain build. Dont play end game content then.

​@@sutnack7537division 2 does not require any specific build. There are hundreds of them to be made. Not sure wtf you talking about

That's because you're a fanatic, so no; what you say doesn't count. XD

@@IncognitoActivado how does that make sense? XD

@@BlackStrey Because fanaticism is bad, obviously. ;)

@@IncognitoActivado it's more how im a fanatic. But I take that^^

@@BlackStrey I'm glad to know that you accept the truth of why your opinions will never matter; It's a big step you're taking. :)

The ire against the clutch claw is directed at the tenderizing mechanic. The game is inevitably balanced around it, thus you have to use it as much as possible to deal normal damages instead of when you want it. If Capcom removed the tenderizing effect, brought back the old hitzone values/made the tenderized hitzone values the default while keeping the wallbang and the clutch attacks (which you would use for example against a flying monster, an out of reach part or to punish an otherwise unpunishable attack like Alatreon's floor is ice), all of a sudden, no one would complain anymore about the clutch claw as it would be an additional tool you use on the side of the normal gameplay when you find it convenient rather than a necessary maintenance you need to do regularly. What is annoying is that it would require little work, yet Iceborne director never addressed the issue despite the community hating the tenderizing mechanic from the get-go (the most vocal being the speedrunners). He only did the barest minimum (Shaver jewel? All light weapons should tenderize in one hit period, no costly lv3 decoration needed and 3 minutes is still too short for the tenderized hitzones to last without having to overuse the clutch claw) at the very end, probably at the request of Ryozo since he seemed to be the "my way or the highway" kind of guy.

I hear ICE also does things like make the Fatalis gear not so overpowered. Just a massive rebalance of the entire game.

ICE is good but it doesn't fix any of the problems I had with the game pre-Iceborne. Like how bad the stun effects are and other monsters constantly interrupting your hunts. It got really old really fast and it often feels like I'm spectating instead of playing.

happiness through misery of others.

Bro, for me iceborne made me quit gunlance and switch to hammer for a bit before giving up on the game altogether. Ended up playing gunlance in generations ultimate instead.

@@BobbyMcRosso Playing gu gunlance is hilarious because that one is the objectively worst

I measured how long it would take to reposition myself after the clagger animation is activated. It literally takes 2.4 seconds. Stop crying about the pace.

The thing is, you don’t have to use the clutch claw. When people say you are forced to use it or they are being disingenuous because let’s be real, most hunters don’t even use powders, seeds, or traps to increase their damage. Those are all different ways to increase damage output and you don’t have to use them and they aren’t forced, so why is clutch claw different and you have to use it? I see clutch claw as anything else in the game, a tool that I can choose to use that make hunts easier.

@@chi7818 it's a high damage tool. I personally also denied the cape things. I forgot the name as I havent played in years. Evasion heavy invincibility fire resistance etc. I will admit the only one I did use was the fire resistance because Lunastra was an annoying b and it saver me from using fire resistant slots for more damage stones.

@@semekiizuio yeah I agree, but just because it’s a high damage tool doesn’t mean it’s mandatory. That’s what I don’t get, why is this one high damage tool mandatory but so many others aren’t? That’s like saying you have to use bow or hbg or LS because their damage is so much higher than let’s say lance. No one says traps are mandatory but the amount of damage you can pump out in a single trap is ridiculous. No one says mega demondrugs, demon powders, and might seeds are mandatory even though they give a lot of attack. That’s all I’m saying, they are being disingenuous and overreacting by saying clutch claw ruins the game because you have to tenderize for damage because they don’t even try to optimize damage in other ways.

@@chi7818 because they put half of Weakness Exploit into the clutch claw. They nerfed WE from its 30% iirc the percentage, cut it to 10% and put the 20% on tendering. On top of that they buffer up monsters HP in Iceborne because the game wants you, forces you to use tenderize unless suffer the consequences of weak damage/long kill time. You can make up the damage by using other crap like str, power surge, and other strong slot gems. But they literally took away a healthy damage mechanic and put it somewhere else splitting the damage. That's what a Nerf is except it wasnt broken.

@@semekiizuio considering might seed is 5% attack for 3 minutes, mega demon drug is 3.3% attack until you cart, and demon powder is 5% attack for 3 minutes, you are missing out on 13.3% attack by not using these items. Why isn’t this necessary but 20% crit is? Let’s also not forget they made crit eye 7 give 10% more crit, and agitator secret gave 10% more crit meaning you could make up for the missing 20% by not tenderizing. Don’t get me wrong, clutch claw is a powerful tool but like you said, it’s a tool, it’s not mandatory.

Yeah the only thing I dislike about insta block is that you have to be neutral for it, but it's still pretty good to pull off, and Sunbreak's damage buffs did it justice.

The closest you can get to doing the Insta-Block mid-combo is with Shield Tackle, as it allows you to neutral block pretty quickly. But yes, Claw Counter is absolutely addictive.

You didn’t really need tenderize if you have affinity and mind’s eye build. People just screaming because they can’t get maximum result from attack jewel and critical eyes without tenderizing.

^Delusional

​@@arapaimagold8088actual idiot

bro didnt watch the video

@@19.99USD i did watch but he only complain of the game been hard

@@reddragon4416 like I said, you just didn't watch the video. Not with any semblance of literacy at least

@@19.99USD soo the entirer video if you didnt like i told what he was complaining about is on you the fact is he complain about the grapling was 2 hard my point is he was expecting it to be next level easy instead of using small oportunitis on using it

@@reddragon4416 except he wasn't. He was complaining about it being unresponsive with respect to all visual indications in the game. Also that was just one point among the many in the in the video. Yes, it being unresponsive makes it difficult to use, but it's difficulty is the fundental ire of the complaint. Like i said, no literacy

Yeah it's a bit like the Barioth tail example, they really needed to design the game around something like this from the start to avoid issues like that.

It's fine in World, once u get to iceborne in becomes much worse as the entire game is made around it, it in a way makes it feel mandatory.

Played Worlds across PS4 and PC with a combined 1400 hours. Clutch claw is 100% forced in Master/G rank and let me tell you, it's not fun at all trying to find the only window in a middle of a fight that breaks the fight cycle. Ie) you dodge and weave through attacks of a Zinogre and hit him once on an off hit and then he staggers mid combo and it goes from a game of fighting optimally to "oh I need to clutch claw now". And then if you fight Alatreon and Fatalis without tenderizing their heads, GOOD LUCK winning that fight is all I have to aay

@@leekyonion LOL, Alatreon and Fatalis are the monsters where tenderizing is literally, FACTUALLY the LEAST useful, especially their heads. Alatreon's head is an 85 hitzone. The tenderize multiplier formula is to times by 0.75, then add 25 and take off the decimal. That means the higher the hitzone the less useful tenderizing actually is. For Alatreon's 85 hitzone head, that goes up to 88, a difference of 3. Hardly anything at all. Fatalis' head is a hitzone of 75. Oh, not as high as Alatreon's, so it's more useful right? WRONG, Fatalis is special in that a negative 5 "bonus" is applied after the tenderizing formula on tenderized parts. That means that tenderizing his head literally only improves the hitzone by ONE. He also doesn't need a tenderized head in order to get a partbreak bonus on wallbangs, meaning tenderizing the head is practically worthless for Melee weapons. Saying tenderizing is required for Ala and Fatty is one of the most ignorant statements ever, the bonus you get from it is extremely tiny on them specifically. They honestly punish you more if you DO use the claw because they each have multiple moves that pin or just straight up kill you if you are clutched on, even with a mantle. It's almost like people hear that tenderizing is required and just immediately believe it without doing any research or even trying it out themselves.

He says that in the video, it doesn’t affect the base game because it didn’t exist at the time.

@@chandlerh2408 I'm not just talking about the base game, I'm a good way into master rank and I still don't use it as I had stated in my comment

monster always needed certain elements tho

Yeah some walls don't actually count as walls and the monster slides off. It's one of those things that happens infrequently but enough to be really annoying, and it still happens in Rise too.

@@HeavyWings at least in Rise some walls are more clear than the ones from MHW.

I always thought wall bangs felt better than the mounting mechanic. Quicker and requires paying attention to your surroundings and some careful planning. It was a little wonky at times, but if they didn't have tenderizing I bet they could make wall bangs feel more consistent.

The alatreon fight sucks, I and my friends would miss almost every wall bang, may be a skill issue but it's still frustrating seeing him running into the wall for 5 seconds and doesn't count it as wallbang

yes ruined. MH games are so good because all weapons are viable, nobody is forced to play a certain way they don't feel like. Clutch claw goes completely against this, everyone is forced to use it if you want to be efficient. I as a LBG user find it pretty stupid to be forced onto the monster and meele attack it. I want to shoot and dodge, not climb onto the monster and tickle its nuts.

You're just bad lmao

@@MrTweedle fair enough lmao

bro accepted it lmao ye i also didnt like it at first but after i got the hang of it its super fun im not sure how good u are at clutch clawing but it gets pretty fun when u understand it fully@@sylnz97

I do really agree with the point you and a lot of others have made: that it needs to be more involved with a wider spectrum of the weapons. Part of why I like the claw so much is probably because the weapons I've played the most use it alongside DB and HH getting some level of innate Mind's Eye.

haha let me TLDR that... old hunter quit bitching and just go back to your emulators.

For me, it's how the combat in Rise is structured, and there's several layers as to why. Wyvern riding is far more broken and crazy than mounting ever was at just a base level. Just straight up nothing I like about it apart from "oo monster shinies". You can output thousands of damage to a monster with proper wyvern riding. Even with Rise's inflated monster healthpools (to compensate for power creep) you get some amazing damage on a monster, a basically guaranteed KO/down and in multi-monster hunters you essentially can cut down both your targets HP by a 1/3 just by riding and attacking them with each other. Then you look at the weapon movesets. Rise weapons all have counters or "oh fuck get me out" buttons, or just straight up moveset-enhancements (Counter Morph Slash for Charge Blade straight up gives you a GP at the start of the axe-sword move so it straight up removes one of the weapons weakpoints). HBG for god sakes as a ranged weapon now has a counter. Even though combat was sped up and altered to adjust to the hunters new tools, we've been power creeped such that we get way more options and have less reliance on timing and positioning now, it's more about how unga bunga you can go and use counters to cover your ass. The only way to make shit hard was to tune Sunbreaks monsters starting at mid-late game to do 1 shots, and that's really _only_ if you're not collecting any of those stupid spiribirds, and even that isn't enough sometimes unless it's a truly unblockable attack (hence why so many attacks have become multi-hit to punish shield weapons and the counter skills). Then there's obviously wirefall which means you're recovering faster and staying in actual combat longer instead of being fully punished and having to choose when to get up for i-frames. Read the monster wrong and ate shit? Welp I'll just wirefall and heal up quickly. There's a million other things I could go on about but don't want to bother doing for a single youtube comment. What I will say though is I can't take anyone seriously that considers Rise/SB combat harder than any previous game in the series. That's harsh, but just all the new shiny tools that hunters were given in Rise/SB absolute catapulted them into OP territory. It doesn't mean the game can't be hard in it's own way or that people aren't allowed to cart or have trouble. But trying to be objective, it's the easiest MH.

Sunbreak monsters get more chances to pull off their moves because they got more health and don't spend 60% of the fight stunned. Its easier to avoid getting hit because Sunbreak hunters also have the best mobility and defensive options ever, but it's still fairer to the monsters than Iceborne was. It harks back to FU's balance by bilateral absurdity times.

@@Tempestuu rise turned great wraggi into a wmd

@@Tempestuu tbf, most of base mhw is basic af

the clutch claw is what probably made it easier

Except part of the combat philosophy is also figuring out which direction to attack from and the distance you need to put yourself at, which the clutch claw almost completely ignores, which in turn makes the game more centralized on focusing on your timing above all else, which World already shifted towards to begin with.

Exactly, it is to nerf WEX so other skills can be utilized. It's almost every build in World have to use WEX, there's already less diversity of gameplay and builds. Pre-iceborne hunters already find the game repetitive and cannot really enjoy theorycrafting their builds since attaining max damage is so easy with WEX in World, so why bother getting Agitator, Max Might, Heroics, Resentment, etc. I also like the idea of clutch claw working differently between light and heavy weapons. Sure light weapons needs to tenderize parts TWICE for WEX to take effect, but they get slinger pods out of it so they can easily prep for flinch shot, while Heavy Weapons has easy access to WEX, but takes effort to manage slinger pods for flinch shots or special attacks that uses the pods. For me, Rise is more on the Flow, World is more on prepping, timing and positioning. If not because of clutch claw, I think there will be a different video created with the title how Weakness Exploit ruined the game, how WEX made the game easy/boring, or how special tools ruined the game. What I like about MH Franchise is they add different twists on different titles.