Just be faster than the fire ig

Nah.. wooden fire escapes fit perfectly. Murica is all about profit maximizing for the rich

there are no wood fire escapes in NYC. Idk where that is coming from.

@@word42069 they literally said it in the video, did you even watch the video lmao

@@c1oi I live in NYC and am an architect. I don’t need an inaccurate video to tell me about buildings in my own city. Maybe in the 18th/19th century there were a handful of wooden fire escapes but they are not a thing anymore.

I believe that's why the fire escape was so overladen. It became the only escape instead of the alternative. The Triangle fire is cited a lot in history videos for both building safety and workplace safety codes.

Worker safety wasn't completely disregarded. The economics of the day was simply not what it is today, and safety wasn't a priority for workers of the day. When you're poor, accepting risk is a competitive advantage at your disposal.

@@IgorNV The key word is "complete."

@@grantcivyt, they had to literally break open locked doors to try escaping. The key word, ‘complete’, is accurate.

@@Vessekx If there were ANY safeguards for safety, that would be sufficient to dismiss the claim. Reports mention empty water buckets meant specifically for fires as well as fire escapes that collapsed under the weight of the many people fleeing. Workers always trade off safety for pay. It happens today in fishing vessels in frigid waters and offshore oil rigs with heavy machinery. It happened then in textile manufacturing. Better to understand how economies develop than to imagine simplistic stories of greed and malevolence.

Yup, in Friends too

There’s a few here in DC and Baltimore

Yeah, they really are something in a movie/show that says "You are in NYC"

I hate them, I always fear someone is gonna climb the fire scape and break in. And guess what, there have been dozen of actual cases like this in NYC.

Are you Chinese?

not really..

It's really not

@@word42069 it litteraly is, there is no aley ways in network which is why garbage gets pilled up on the side walks everywhere

@@johnm7611 not everywhere and only on trash days! If they had alleyways people would complain about the alleyways and alleyways used to mean crime... so to each their own. After the Five Points slum became so infamous alleyways became extremely unpopular in NYC and were essentially eradicated from the grid system. It also just allowed an even denser city.

That's why I love the history of Chicago architecture. It's basically: "let's fix all of New York's giant design flaws."

easy way round that is to make regulation that no windows on the building where fire escape is.

@@chatteyj That might work if the building was made with the fire escape in mind, but it seems that the fire escapes were appended to existing buildings, so they didn't have that luxury.

@@AfrinonM brick over the windows. Or just fight through the flames by tiptoeing around the edge away from the building. Perfect time to practice parkour climbing during a fire when life depends on it. Not just giving up bc the easy way is blocked.

@@TheAnantaSesa ... I think the windows are how you get out onto the fire escape..

@@TheAnantaSesa, you just suggested bricking over the entrances *to* the fire escape.

The building the Triangle Shirt Waist Company was in still exists. It's now a part of NYU's Washington Square Park campus.

@@ajkleipass so strange walking past it seeing chem experiments in the windows. such a tragic history in those classrooms

wow its like they put profit before people and regulation was what saved lives its so unamerican 🌝

And yet unions aren't still commonplace and are frowned upon by companies. Huh

@@tickytacky8078 because things like that don’t happen anymore lol

haha i do the same thing 😅

I've always wanted to do this! I hope to move to new york one day

I called them Brooklyn balconies lol we had half a dozen people out there once smoking. Now that was dangerous.. fun tho

You Sir, are New York itself..👍

I used to live in Manhattan, had one outside my living room and I used to make barbecues there

If a building is historic, record it, then let it be upgraded to modern code. If the city wants to preserve something 100% then they should buy it and make it a public asset. It's stupidity to keep people locked into old technology just because someone has a affection for historical styling.

@@cybertrk you sorta have a point there, but it is oftentimes sad to see an old landmark disappear. The old saying goes “You can't stop progress” it's true. 😢

Tax incentives? Just fine them millions of dollars if they don't comply. They are landlords in NYC. They can afford to make their building safe.

The landlords would find ways to scrimp on design. My city is full of historic iron railings, with some replaced with steal and they look TERRIBLE like a Disneyland version, a cheap copy

@@hunting4honeys of course they look different. All that old iron was done pouring molten iron into sand molds. Its extremely heavy and is solid iron. Steel is magnitudes stronger. To build all of that out of solid steel when it can be hollow steel bar would be ridiculous in cost and mass. And considering it is safer to sprinkler the building and tell people to stay in their apartment unless the fire is in their unit it's all unnecessary anyway.

1930s.

@@TheRealCaptainFreedom - You are mostly correct, in that the "devil's lettuce" became popular in NYC in the 1930's... but I don't think bongs were really a thing yet.

@@BatCaveOz In Asia they were.

@@BatCaveOz it depends if you count hookas or not

NOICE!

lol

Kids don’t give AF about safety 😅🤷🏼‍♂️

Exactly. The corrosion of structural steel is an electrochemical process that requires the simultaneous presence of moisture and oxygen. Essentially, the iron in the steel is oxidized to produce rust, which occupies approximately six times the volume of the original material. The rate at which the corrosion process progresses depends on a number of factors, but principally the 'micro-climate' immediately surrounding the structure. Having said that, I seriously doubt all but a few are regularly maintained. Lending most to be anything but "very strong". Especially considering the structure they are anchored to,.

@: discussed from 6:38.

Wait what was the point of this comment when it was literally the subject of the video? Lol

@@arizonarangershat3831 He reads KZfaq titles as challenges. Doesn't watch the video, just gives his insight and off to the next challenge.

But once the temps go 500 upwards, steel loses its strenght drastically

These days, you can have only one means of egress if you have fire sprinklers and enough fire resistant construction. That's what's been normal in the UK for a long time. It works great (except when it doesn't, like everything). Edit: the changes to the code are fairly new. Parts of the US adopted the strictest construction codes in the world for fire after the Chicago fire, but they didn't really update them with technological advances for a loooong time. The fire codes are one small brick in the absolutely monumental disaster of high rise public housing, too. That doesn't change that is entire video is a disaster by a team that must be willfully stupid to get so much wrong.

@@toomanymarys7355 Cheddar videos are always heavy on opinions and light on facts. You didn't make the mistake of expecting accuracy and integrity from a Cheddar video, did you?

@@toomanymarys7355 Yup

I think they should just install giant fireman poles on the sides of tall buildings they would be cheap and relatively easy to install and would stand the test of time better than exterior stairways.

@@chatteyj until someone uses it an falls ten stories to there death. A slick metal pole from top to bottom how smart lol. Sorry I couldnt resist. But seriously I believe a tax break for landowners to install new steel fire escapes that are built with spirals instead of zig zag to help from any fires below that could stop them from runing across each window where fire and heat could be coming out of. Is better than just letting them build half ass same design fire escapes

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Sitting on one in the bronx today. Nice day out!

They're pretty great i could slither out a window in half a wink and have a nice view of the verrazano

@@MsMassiel11 Im sorry for you bro

They are damn ugly

I love my cheaper rent in cities with zero fire escapes.

I love loosening the bolts on old fire escapes year round.

I love not living in a city in the summer

@Brad Barr NYC fucking stinks during the summer

@@wentoneisendon6502 i liver in new york and it gets so hot in summer, still love it though

Why? There are millions of other examples where many more men died and im sure your heart doesnt care about them

@@rronaldreagan That's not a nice thing to assume.

@@rronaldreagan did you just "all lives matter" the triangle shirtwaist factory fire?

It was 110 years ago.

Thanks for speaking up, it's always good to hear from the experts. Just to be clear though, are you really against getting rid of these particular fire escapes or are you against getting rid of them before a safer version is built (like the internal staircase)? Or would you rather buildings have multiple fire escapes at the same time, keeping these as well as having something on the inside? You've got a really cool job, hope you're doing well!

Yeah, they always seems like a major security issue to me... Then again, NYC itself is a major security risk...

That sounds about right, I think some still do that today! Can't imagine myself trying it with these ancient fire escapes, but I think we've all experienced those really sweltering nights where any relief is better than none. Thanks for sharing!

Not really they're kind of strong

It must be a refreshing dose of normaility o be able to talk to people like that. Everyone is so creepy these days, just staring at their phone. It's just depressing.

They almost always work just fine. There are just newer, even better ways of providing fire safety that have made them obsolete--but new buildings in NYC now only have ONE required exit because the fire department is supposed to be able to rescue you before you need it with the new technological solutions. I'm a bit paranoid, so however irrational, I'd be happier with the escape. :) This video is full of it.

Better than nothing, also the woman that got roasted should have just lowered herself and fell the 2 stories that didn’t have stares. Like really what was going on in her head as the fire got hotter and she just stood there and waited to burn, smh.

Nothing really changed except your own perception.

@@wolfengod8277 She was probably suffering from panic, smoke inhalation and heat exhaustion...I doubt very many people could make rational decisions under those conditions.

Why? Simple stairs and ladders are a pretty foolproof concept and will work perfectly most of the time. It would be extremely bad luck if yours were to structurally fail on the one day that you actually need it to flee to safety.

They aren’t bad just ppl didn’t make them well to be cheap more then half the time

this was super hard to read

Yes! A drug addict was climbing the fire escape on my building in downtown L.A. The "balcony" part of it fronts the apt. right next to mine. The trespasser leaned over and knocked on my window! I told the manager that she needed to install burglar bars on the rooms with the fire escape. She disagreed!!! The woman on the floor above said she was not home, but she'd left the windows open. The man chose not to enter her room, but he pushed the blinds to the side. She moved to a different room without the fire escape.

@@myoldvhstapes That's terrifying! The building owner should really take care of the safety of the tenants. Glad you're safe. I don't live in the US so it makes me curious how people feel about this type of fire exits for apartments and the lack of gates and perimeter fences for houses.

@@myoldvhstapes doesn't even have to be strangers, could be your own neighbors from any other floor that catch windows open

Same, bro

I'm guessing Cheddar is based in NYC, so they probably have that whole mentality that NYC is the only city that matters, other cities live in the shadows of NYC etc.

@@mickanvonfootscraymarket5520 why do people always assume that it's because someone only cares about the area they live in, vs. having easy access to knowledge, stories and trivia from the area you're based in? They probably get a lot of their video ideas from museums and historical sites nearby.

@@mickanvonfootscraymarket5520 Why are you watching this channel if you don't like NYC? Suck it.

@@mickanvonfootscraymarket5520 Let's be real, New York is just an interesting city.

@@SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand lol fuck off, why are you assuming I don't like NYC? I was just making a point. Besides Melbourne, NYC is my second favourite city and my second home. So much my second home that I own an apartment In Flatbush.

Sure you did.

@@prime_optimus alright, john, you want a prize for not believing what someone says? you're a real cool guy

damn bro thats crazy

​@@pelikojootti2862 Yeah! It was on an administrative building in an area of campus where students don't usually wander. There was basically a hill with a wall blocking off the hill so that there could be a path do a lower doorway. The fire escape ladder came down that side of the building and happened to face the wall such that one could leap from the wall and grab the ladder. I was walking with a girl at the time that I discovered it, so we did the whole, "Hey, let's climb up here together" thing.

Or you could use an umbrella with hooked handle to pull the ladder down. Easy.

A nice visit down the Chambers St subway station will make it clear to anyone.

Or the rat infested subways where people get pushed into trains by unstable people...

I can say that for entire North America.

@Integrated Hate SpreaderLMAOOO

Infant male circumcision needs to go outta style in NYC.

*20 - 30 feet. It was 2 floors up. But yes some people choose to jump anyway, unless something else is preventing them. It may not have been possible for her for one reason or another.

@@nathanlonghair New Yorkers were all 3 ft tall in those days so floors could be shorter.

It's called freezing in the moment. Many deaths are the result of not taking action.

They have

The hostel which I stayed in North Beach had one. Using the retractable ladder, you could get down to the sidewalk right on Columbus St. below.

Train good. Car bad. Fire escapes...?

Who knew it was a documentary?

You'll get over that fear when that's the only way out

The joys of stock footage.

Do you recognize the footage, the girl, the building or the trees?

It's not a flimsy fire escape, anyway.

It's just an example. They were talking about the use of fire escapes. Not the city

@@nobrang5146 and the example is a lovely balcony, doubtfully a fire escape, and certainly not flimsy. Barcelona seems as plausible as any European city. Nothing immediately says NYC, imo, but maybe.

Yes it's the whole New York/New Jersey metropolitan area, not just NYC proper, that's full of them.

Fuck your terrace. Pedestrians shouldn’t be scared of a fire escape landing on them because you like your memories of a fake balcony. Most of these things are flimsy and and useless otherwise

The fire escape scenes in "West Side Story" were all sets on soundstages in Hollywood, not actual buildings.

@@hebneh ah, makes sense. Still, you can see them on old buildings in LA

i live in a brownstone with a backyard view fire escape too!

Research “baby cages” if you’ve never heard of them. Such a trip!

What a beautiful story.

Of all the people to see in this channel.

Plus I find them so ugly

I feel like time will take the action no one probably wants to spend the money on because that is a bullshit reason

I noticed that. Same thing with Airplanes except they’re done right. You can have a dangerous thing like this be an effective and safe fire escape if it’s well maintained ie painted and checked every few years for corrosion and replaced once it’s dangerous. However, all the ones I’ve seen always are coated brown and orange with rust/corrosion and I wouldn’t trust them with more than 2 people at a time. They’re accidents waiting to happen downtown. On the other hand, some airplanes have been flying so long, three generations of mechanics and pilots have worked with them. Not because they’re perfect or impervious to time, but because they’re well maintained and checked annually and every 100 hours in service. This seems to be a problem with many things in the US, but cheap is hard to beat, and unfortunately some safety regulations are written in blood. It usually takes a tragedy to cause changes.

@@princetchalla2441 yeah, that's pretty on point

Yikes.

@@janohare916 probably the only appropriate use of "yikes" I've seen in the past 4 years

😂

Yes they are. Cheddar is very good at giving partially correct information in their videos but then getting certain facts wrong or simply omitting them... all for the sake of brevity and whatever criticism they’re trying to make about a given topic. They should really have actual architects in NYC talk about these topics because a lot of their most recent architectural videos are extremely misleading because of poor research and/or wording. I can’t blame them too much because NYC building code is about the most dense, comprehensive, and confusing (with overlap and iterations) in the world... (with people from other cities across the world coming here to study it) ...but that doesn’t excuse making seemingly educational videos with bad information. They also know that they get more views and comments when their video spark controversy or questions. Sincerely, a NYC architect.

@@word42069 bro you are taking this way too seriously. Btw New York is like that girl who looks beautiful but then you realize what she's hiding under a pound of makeup. I always thought New York was like a modern metropolis, then i went and was hella disappointed. Everything is old and dirty besides the financial district and midtown, i felt as if the subway tunnels or the infrastructure in general is like a decade away from collapsing. They need to revamp the city badly 😭

@@pabl0sauced0 your comment only served to reinforce that you know very little about NYC. Sorry my comment triggered you(?). Should NYC look like a city primarily built hundreds of years after it was actually built? Go to Dubai, you’ll be happy there... just don’t complain about the sand.

@@word42069 Older buildings less than six stories are not required to install sprinkler systems unless Certificates of Occupancy are changed...... Usually so you can make the change (add units / change use). I would know since i deal with this all the time.

@@Lamepants91 As for sprinkler systems, yes that is the case in some circumstances. Developers may employ certain tactics and get creative to avoid CofO changes but generally if you are doing things by the book and your structure falls into sprinkler territory there is no avoiding it. Sprinkler systems are not the only fire safety feature/measure though and there is plenty of lower density housing stock throughout the city that does not have sprinklers. We’re talking many thousands of townhouses built before and after the civil war and well into the turn of the 20th century. There are even a decent number of earlier wood-framed townhouses scattered about the city. NYC was fortunate to not loose too many swaths of the city to fire because NYC was an early adopter of good plumbing and basic fire-blocking around the perimeters of and between buildings.

lol

As if hanging out their laundry on the fire escapes doesn't make it already rather "uglified"... :) But NYC is not the only 3rd World area that does that... I've seen it in a lot of places in Asia also... Not necessarily on fire escapes (since they didn't have them), but on the balconies outside all the apartments...

Those security _"scissor"_ gates on escape windows made since the 1980's are very easy to open from inside in case of fire, just flip the latch, they're very hard to open from outside, they have a tighter design. The old ones needed to be locked with padlocks a looser bad design. Inside fire stairwells get full of smoke in worse cases become fire traps if the wrong paint is painted on the walls. NYCHA had to eliminate some type of paint that caught on fire back in the 90's-early 2000's. I'm not sure if they did that with all the Projects.

Lol I have done that before

Some idiot tries selling ones that did not work in demonstrations after 9/11.

That’s what I was thinking. 4 floors maybe idk my mind in the situation. But 2 floors is a no brainer. I’m going back in to get some of my stuff real quick

I agree. I'd pick breaking my legs over being burned alive anyday

She probably thought she would be far enough from the fire being outside to wait for help to arrive. She was probably panicked and not thinking "whats the worst that can happen? I break my legs!? Yep, best not to wait for the fire department. time to give Jesus the wheel and jump"

It stopped at the third floor. The narrator misspoke, buy yes she did

@@AshK457 yet people in the world trade center jumped out knowing they would 100% die.

where?

@@word42069 nyc

@@yearight6294 i meant where in NYC. Anyway, your building might just be an extensive renovation? Also if i’m not mistaking, you can still build fire escapes technically... they just don’t count as a means of egress. My old apartment had a completely rebuilt fire escape because the townhouse went through an extensive renovation.

@@word42069 well that specific one built after 68 is in staten island , odd for the time cuz there wasn’t as much building going on compared to late in the 70s . i jus took it as they stopped using them all together after 68 as i noticed newer buildings never have them

@@yearight6294 how many stories is the building?

Nah they're pretty unique and make me York stand apart

@@azulaquaza4916 Stand apart like a Sore thumb

@@bmp456 Still better than the glass trash every city in the world produces now

@@azulaquaza4916 that’s a fair point

@@azulaquaza4916 the glass trash? Like buildings that basically have windows for walls kind of architecture?