How come so many of these small baseball channels literally create content that would be expected from huge and popular creators. Its so good and i love this guy

The common denominator between them and the Bulls is Jerry…

Teams are replicating the Braves when it comes to contracts, but they're not at all replicating the Braves when it comes to coaching and team management. Look at Travis D'Arnaud and Jesse Chavez, and now Jared Kelenic. Players get better when they join Atlanta. D'Arnoud cited a reunion with one of his formative coaches about a month ago, and Chavez's tendency to struggle everywhere except Atlanta is well documented. Manager Brian Snitker deserves praise as well. A good example was within the first 2 weeks of this season. The Braves got shafted with some obviously bad calls that prevented some early runs. Social media was abuzz, calling for Snitker to show more emotion, stand up for his guys and have it out with the umpire. Instead, Snitker stayed in the dugout. The Braves offense eventually exploded and the team won the game comfortably. That's not to say Snitker never stands up for his guys against bad officiating, but he picks his spots because he trusts his guys to overcome. His leadership as a manager is a big reason why the Braves have had the funniest-looking dugout in baseball over the last few years. In turn, many former Braves who only had a cup of coffee in Atlanta have made their love of the Braves organization well known.

Rick Renteria deserved to see out that rebuild. I swear they would only play for him.

It's not the fact that the Chisox tried the Braves strategy that caused their downfall, it was absolutely rotten execution. Tony La Russa is no Brian Snitker, Rick Hahn is most certainly no Alex Anthopolous, and most importantly, the Braves aren't saddled with a geriatric owner like Reinsdorf. A lot of people seem to take issue with the fact that the Braves are owned by Liberty Media since they themselves don't spend much on the Braves, but LM also doesn't really get tangled with team affairs. The ones in the organization with real power are Terry McGuirk and Alex Anthopolous, the baseball people. Alex in particular is an avid scouter, and knows exactly who he wants and when. Even when nobody else considers the moves he makes, he does his homework and gets the exact guy who will fit right in with the program. There's also Snitker and the coaching staff he's surrounded with. They're rock stars, and in Snitker's case, the players would do just about anything for him. He keeps the vibes immaculate and is a calm, stabilizing presence where La Russa was simply a lightning rod for controversy. Atlanta is known for having best in the business scouting, coaching, and a reputation for success. The Chisox don't come close in terms of approach. They may have attempted to emulate Atlanta's secret formula, but they simply don't have the right mindset as long as Reinsdorf is the one holding the reins of power.

The similarities between the 2020-2022 White Sox to this years Red Sox organization is chilling to say the least. Signing young players early into their careers, front office not building on a solid core, injuries and inconsistency wracking the team; this could spell another Sox disaster. Hopefully the front office will learn from the mistakes of Chicago (Garrett Cooper and Dom Smith are a good start) and pull themselves out of the free fall they’re in.

Somehow failed to mention the biggest culprit in this equation Jerry Reinsdorf

Great video but you also failed to mention the that the Braves had several all star level vets on the roster and almost every year bring in a vet for a year or so to help the team. The Braves clubhouse vibe/chemistry is immaculate. Keeping Jesse Chavez, and Charlie Morton shows out important good guys on the team is. The on the field performance is a plus.

The filter is highly distracting. It looks like all the games are being swarmed by bugs, and makes it harder to concentrate on the video.

Couple quick notes: Yermin was not a "star". After he unretired, he got a shot with the Giants and couldn't cut it even as a DH, let alone at catcher. Also, Vaughnie isn't an OF; he's a 1B. They stuck him in RF because they had no one else out there, and had Jose Abreu still at 1B.

Rebuilding them in mlb been tough

so it was Larussa's fault but they manage to win 93 games and then he left they do not win more than 70 and it 'was too late'. I think Tony is taking more heat than he should

Tony La Russa was an amazing manager, but those days ended before he arrived with the White Sox

I actually think if Hahn was allowed to be a full GM with complete operational control, he would’ve done great things. He did some very good things and had some great ideas. Unfortunately, numbnuts Kenny Williams was the President of the White Sox at that time and he still had control. Also, Reinsdorf if notoriously cheap and didn’t allow him to go out and get certain pieces he needed. The White Sox are a horribly run organization from top to bottom. Also, Tony La Russa gets a lot of crap, but he was the least of their problems. He was right about Yermin Mercedes, and Mercedes is an idiot. You don’t show up your opponents, because that team will eventually throw a 95mph baseball at your head.

9:21 a Braves team without injured Acuna, and injured and short staffed starting pitching etc. part of the braves success has been the constant depth and ability to get production out of a new or couple young guys each season when needed

The Braves winning strategy is to be in a division with the Mets, Marlins and Phillies. The New England Patriots used a similar strategy for years.

Part of the problem is their core players like Kopech, Anderson, Moncada, Himenez, and Robert, could never stay healthy. On paper their batting lineup should have been a murders row. Instead, they’re all constantly injured and constantly missing games.

Not only are teams trying to mimmick the Braves strategy, but now everyone is trying to build a year long complex like they did..

Amazing video. So much work went into this & its incredible 🙌🏻

The difference was player development. The White Sox traded for their top farm they didn’t develop them. While the Braves and Dodgers both developed their talent. And because of that the Braves and Dodgers have had top farms for a 10 year stretch. One great batch of prospects isn’t enough to build what the Braves or Astros built, you need at least 2 and most likely 3 really good batches back to back to back

Can't devolep players while they're sitting in the trainers room with injury after injury. As someone who has watched the Sox for 30 years, they tend to always have one huge problem when it comes to prospects in the minors. They all play the same position, Sheets, Burger, and Vaughn are all 1B/DH players. They had this problem in the late 90's/early 2000's when every prospect was a corner outfielder, or the mid 2000's when everyone played 2nd or Short. And they're never able to correctly leverage that depth in trades, and end up trading from thin positions like trading 2nd baseman Nick Madrigal to the Cubs for Kimbrel when we already had signed Hendriks. (I know Madrigal was hurt at the time of the trade, so maybe not the best example.) I don't think the execution of extending players was bad either, 6yr/$43M for Eloy is not a ton of money. We were a team that was loaded with talent and had a lot of things going right. Unfortunately, our owner is Jerry Reinsdorf, who is extremely loyal to relics of the past and feels the need to hire his old friends for prominent positions. Yermin wasn't a "star player", but he was playing like a star for us, and he had his confidence shattered and was publicly called out and admonished by the person on the team whose job is to look out for his players and back his players. LaRussa was ill-fit to manage a team in the year 2021, and showed often that he didn't understand baseball or the players who played the game any more. The Sox as a franchise fumbled the bag a few times in this stretch, but it was all being fumbled away daily by the dinosaur owner and the dinosaur manager. Also somebody should go see if anyone on the Sox training staff has a medical license, because they gotta be doing something wrong with those players.

I like the video but the pollen filter is mentally messing with my algeries.

The white Sox have been signing their young talent before they hit their arb years for years. It's been a part or reinsdorf's repertoire for as long as I can remember...... because he's cheap. I'd say it's more like the Braves copied the White Sox plan..... but were actually successful in doing so.

You might as well be talking about the 2024 Toronto Blue Jays at this rate. The parallels are uncanny. Not necessarily in signing players but in terms of illogical management and running back the same team as last year and having the same problems but worse.

This is a good video but the Braves strategy didn’t ruin the White Sox at all. It was ownership and management (or mismanagement). Some guys who should’ve been good also just pooped the bed (some SP and offense) , and I mean that’s probably due to the coaching staff in place. So I mean I think that them signing all of those promising young players to 5,6 year extensions for nothing was a good idea… they just didn’t execute with coaching, which comes back to ownership because letting Hahn choose a coach probably would’ve been a lot better than what they did.

Seeing how bad the Sox are I've never been happier being a Cubs fan

The only thing I remember from the previous White Sox season was "Down goes Anderson" speaks to how almost nothing can be salvaged from that poor campaign. At this decadent pace of the White Sox, I wouldn't be surprised if they finish the same or worse than Oakland, and the latter is currently third in its division, something very surprising.

Rick Hahn actually started this strategy before AA. Dating back to Salle and Quintana

I love how Yankees fans are pointing out how backwards Tony LaRusso is.

Can you do a series on advanced metrics like war, FIP, ERA+ etc. it’s pros and cons and why they matter

It says so right in the quote. It’s poor sportsmanship to swing in a 3-0 count “when you have a comfortable lead” That’s important context, whether you agree with it or not.

Any franchise that endured Charles Comiskey, Bill Veeck [twice], and Jerry Reinsdorf [who once said that he wanted to make MLB more like professional wrestling], has suffered a lot.

The White Sox have the most dysfunctional clubhouse culture this year too. They say the stretching and the BP as optional.

3:03: Olson and Murphy were not "young" and not from the Braves organizations. They were established players, acquired in trades and then chose to sign "extensions" with the Braves.. That is no different than with any other team.

Backing up your points which were excellent, I remember when Pittsburgh gave Bryan Reynolds a 9 figure deal, I was surprised to see that one of the three teams remaining that had never given a 9-figure deal was the White Sox. I hadn’t realized they were that frugal or arguably cheap and I think that is what led them to offering guys contracts super early. They wanted 3 massive discounts when the smarter move would’ve been to do what Atlanta did with Acuna. He played in 2018, the Braves had enough data to believe he would continue to be a great player and then paid him. Same with Ozzie Albies.

It’s very upsetting as a sox fan. We’re the forgotten team in the MLB and Jerry continues to fuck over the team. My biggest fear is them moving to Nashville, and after seeing what happened with the A’s, it makes me more scared than ever. If they leave, I might be straight up done with baseball

I remember thinking when they fired Renteria that it would be their undoing, I didn't actually think it would happen this badly though

As long as Jerry owns the team none of this will change.

Awesome vid brother

Great video! Very informative. I'm not sure why it seems like there are bugs in lots of the videos segments. Is that a content creator choice or something necessary for this video to be on KZfaq? Or are they just in my head?

This does bring a smile to my face. -a Cubs fan

7:55 LMFAO 💀

As a twins ran, it is sad watching this team every time we play them

Let's not forget that the White Sox put out a team that was a hack with the glove. Tim Anderson should never be playing Short, Andrew Vaughn and Gavin Sheets were athletic First baseman thrown in the outfield, Eloy Jiménez, and Yoan Moncada were DH's playing Left and Third. I know that with the prevolance of the 3 true outcome hitters in today's game that defense isn't as important, but it shouldn't be ignored either.

Just checked out Giolito’s stats, he’s not nearly as good as this video implies…

The white sox want a new stadium. When you want a new stadium and dont get it in mlb, You tank.

to sign a prospect with zero MLB at bats to a 43 million 6 year deal is basically the same as taking that $43 million to Vegas and betting it all on Red and hope for the best.

3-0 count… WITH AN 11 RUN LEAD… off of a position player pitching

Footnote: The 2020 MLB regular season was shortened because of the Covid restrictions. Meanwhile, the playoffs were expanded to 16 MLB teams (8 in each league). So that season, more MLB teams MADE the playoffs than those that MISSED. The LA Dodgers won the World Series that postseason, but many of their players consider that a "door prize" and want to win the league championship with a FULL season. Also, swinging on a 3-ball 0-strike count should always acceptable. Does the NFL have an "unwritten rule" stating that it's "poor sportsmanship" to run on fourth-and-one in front of their opponents' goal line. Would it be better sportsmanship if the QB passes the ball, so the opposing team could have a "fair chance?"

the biggest issue has always been injuries. It led to inconsistencies in development, growth, morale, and chemistry. Imagine what the Orioles would be if Henderson tore his hip flexor and was out till August, and then when he got back he started slow all while simultaneously Rutschman tore his pectoral muscle and was out till August. Then, ext season, imagine they BOTH again were gone every few weeks with leg issues and back issues? The all of a sudden Santander has a groin issue and is out for 2 months?

season not over ,record looks daunting , they will play like hell and win like hell.

I'm still early on so apologies if you mention this but signing Eloy to a 6 year deal before he's played any big league ball is exactly the sort of deal the braves would never make. All of their deals look to buy out at least a couple free agency years, basically rolling the 'extra' that they pay during what would be the remaining league minimum and arbitration years into added value by securing free agency. the really long length of the Braves' contracts are one of the biggest keys, because when you do have a success story like Ronald or Ozzie, it's easier to sit them down for an extension 6 years into a possibly 9 year contract after they've already proven themselves and would've been free agents at this point anyways.

Watching as a Mets fan: "I was born into the darkness, molded by it"

Tony La Russa failed as a manager on many levels, but if the manager tells you to take the pitch, you take the pitch. It has nothing to do with sportsmanship. Maybe that's why La Russa made the call, but why is irrelevant to the hitter.

I have no idea how that much talent didn’t easily win the central years in a row. It’s the worst division in baseball. Those players must have terrible character and they must have had terrible coaching. I think Hahn had the right idea, he was just forced to hire the wrong manager.

What happened to the White Sox could’ve happened to the Braves too. It’s sports, nothing is guaranteed but you have to take risks.

As a Sox fan, you cannot compare the Braves org and the Sox. I understand your saying their philosophy was similar, but the Sox have never even come close to doing what the Braves have done. From the top to the bottom their in a different class.

Good to know there’s another A’s out there💪

i haven’t followed baseball closely in a while. only last year di I learn about the dh in both leagues. Tony Larusa was hired as manager? that’s insane.

Yermin Mercedes is not and was not a star player

White sox never really spent in those offseasons either. They literally signed adam eaton over pederson and brantley in 2021 and signed harrison and andrus

Be blessed to have a team. Signed A fan from Oakland

The biggest difference between the Braves and White Sox in this period was that the Braves have known when something isn't working and where to pivot instead, and not entirely leaning on the homegrown guys to get them over the hump

I don't think they did anything inherently wrong, it just didn't work. Not sure how else to explain it. I feel like they hit on more guys than they missed, but things just spiraled out of control quickly.

Oddly, I saw 4 causes for the White Sux to be terrible: 1. Tony La Russa 2. Tony La Russa (yes, this is the same as cause 1, but i felt it beared repeating.) 3. DOWN GOES ANDERSON!!!! 4. DOWN GOES ANDERSON!!!!1!!

As a Cubs fan, listening to White Sox fans getting all giddy about this team and how we "gave them Eloy" for nothing (Quintana worked out pretty well for us). To watch once again Reisdorf drop a bomb on them by hiring LaRussa was just magical.

... At least they still have the best City Connect in MLB….?

The White Sox did this strategy first and it backfired. The Braves largely picked the correct people to extend in this case; Strider may end up being an expensive mistake, though he always can be converted to a closer since Anthopoulos likes to spend money in relievers for God knows whatever reason.

To me he should be in the HOF at some point, he was a staple for a team for over a decade and is top 15 in a lot of passing stats, much less an MVP that set records in yards per attempt in 2016. Vick might be considered “Mr. Falcon” but Ryan is the best falcons QB by a healthy margin.

This type of trying to imitate already successful teams has backfired for the Giants as well. Despite the fact that we have way more money, we are trying to build rosters on the cheap like the Tampa Bay Rays and despite the fact that our ballpark is so eschewed in favor of pitchers we try to build a balanced jack of all trades master of all like the Dodgers when they have the picture of an average Major League Stadium.

Jerry has been ruining the White Sox for years, even with their playoff seasons of 2020 and 2021.

The White Sox from after 2008 ( when they previously won a division title) to 2019 were nothing to shout about either

I admit to not following closely while LaRussa was in Detroit. ( Sorry Detroit ) but he did a good job for us in St. Louis. The thing is, that 3-0 swing was a personal statement. Everyone ( shit, everyone old )knows he’s a passionate defender and advocate of the old unwritten rules, and he apparently quit rather than change. That at bat was an opportunity to personally insult LaRussa, and he did that. Must have been really bad at the end, wish he’d had a better closeout but, there’s no crying in baseball.🤫

tell em the part about how we drafted Andrew Vaughn 3rd overall while cj Abrams and Corbin Carroll was still on the board

I mean the Braves strategy falls apart if they have to play the Phillies in the postseason…

Let's not forget the club gave the biggest contact in team history to Andrew Benitendi who has a negative WAR

Here’s what also hurts Having the worst owner in baseball

Even tho eloy and Luis Robert have been injury ridden they’re good enough players that buying out arb for those prices were good still good deals

Yermin Mercedes was the coolest shit I’ve ever seen, that dude was a first ballot hall of famer for a month straight.

Amazing how many people watch this video.... and comment on their team. Sox fan here, and the Tony LaRussa hire can, at best, be described as 'interesting'. Took a chance, had possibilities, but completely unrealized. It was Reinsdorf. Not going to crap on him like most fair-weather/internet fans. All you internet heroes can scrape together your 1 billion dollars and lay it on the line- start making real decisions. Baseball is a tough racket.

I may be wrong and negative in saying this, but who are some top prospects, who signed an extension before making their major league debut, have panned out and been successful?

A lot of the Braves success has to be credited to Alex Anthopolous. He's not only the best GM in baseball, but probably the best GM in all of professional sports! His moves are questionable, and many didn't get them, then the player is outstanding! AA has the ability to figure out what the team needs and then go find that need, then trade for him, and no one quite often understands why he would trade for him, and then the player ends up being awesome! He's a baseball Guru! He's done it time and time again. Fans wonder what he sees in this player, and then the player RAKES! AA HAS A GIFT THAT CAN'T JUST BE COPIED! 😎🤘 Fans now trust AA and understand that if he brings that player in, it's for a good reason that we fans just don't get. Then, that player is superb, and AA again earns our trust. If he brings in a player, there's a great reason for it, and we just go with it! "In AA we trust!" 😁💯

“Nickel and diming” players isn’t really an accurate way to describe the arbitration process. Superstar players will generally make more (if healthy) going through arbitration than signing the kind of extensions the Braves have given out, because those extensions always buy out free agency year(s).

Bro forgot "DOWN GOES ANDERSON!!! DOWN GOES ANDERSON"🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥

Braves nickel and dime their players into extensions. It's resulted in some pissed off players like Acuna who threatened to hold out and was apparently almost traded to the Yankees this past off season.

Sportsmanship is NOT why the 3-0 unwritten rule exists. The theory behind not swinging 3-0 is that your chances of drawing a walk are so high it would be ruining an easy chance to be on base if you hit into an out. The fact that it has become perceived as disrespectful to swing at a pitch thrown by a major league pitcher is insane

2:07: I don't know if this list says the Braves "strategy" is a valid answer. Acuna, a once in a generational talent, and Riley bailed them out. Of the rest, none are still in Atlanta, and only Kyle Wright, of a short period, had any impact on the team in light of positive performance. The rest are either out of MLB altogether or fringe players on other teams. Chicago's list, if you eliminate Acuna from the equation, has more players still in MLB and are serviceable players. The answer to the question is really something different and it starts with luck, as in good and bad and the strength of the people in the organization.

Can you do a video about how Shapiro and Atkins are completely gutting the blue jays?

Your framing of the 2021 season is really weird, we won 91 games. To do that with all the stars injured for huge chunks of time was really impressive. Also you neglected to mention that we failed to sign any of the big time, future HoF free agents that were available in the late 2010s

Really confused why you would show Corey Seager as a player who was nickel and dimed, where the Dodger’s saved money in arbitration and he left early in the season. Surely there are better examples than a shortstop from a team that throws money everywhere. The well documented fact that Seager is a Boras client and the Dodgers despise working with Boras shoots a hole in that.

Calling Yermin Mercedes a star player is soemthing.

im not saying this to defend tony, but idk why everyone always leaves out tht it was off a position player. thts why he said it was disrespectful

If the Sox anagement wanted a nostalgia pick for a manager they should have gone with Ozzie Guillen. Guillen is Mr. White Sox the way Ernie Banks was Mr. Cub despite not being a hall of Famer. He got the Sox their only World Series victory in the contemporary era. But they really should have kept Rick Renteria.

Great vid! Subbed!

My favorite thing about this whole thing is that a lot of tigers fans are blaming it on karma for the black sox scandal which is over a century old at this point! Baseball is awesome

he wasn’t punished for swinging in a 3-0 count, it was the fact it was a 3-0 count and the score was 15-4 and he hit a bomb off of a position player

As a Mariner fan whos front office has the GOAL of being a 54% winning team, hearing another front office be upset about being a .500 team makes me jealous. 😆 Also, #BlameLaRussa 😆

you also have to counter in payroll aswell

This is a classic case of a great GM not being able to overcome lousy ownership.

White Sox having a Marlins type firesale, except when the Marlins do it, they've won the World Series the year prior.