How They Caught The Golden State Killer

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Your genetic code is probably already in a database, without you ever giving a sample or permission. This video is sponsored by Brilliant. The first 200 people to sign up via brilliant.org/veritasium get 20% off a yearly subscription.
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A huge thanks to Paul Holes, Billy Jensen, Brett Williams, Dr Connie Bormans and Dr Doc Edge for being part of this video. Thanks to Verogen and Family Tree DNA for giving me access to film.
Thanks to Sonya Pemberton, Joe Hanson, Raquel Nuno, CGP Grey, and numerous Patreon supporters for helpful feedback on an earlier version of this video.
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References:
Phillips, C. (2018). The Golden State Killer investigation and the nascent field of forensic genealogy. Forensic Science International: Genetics, 36, 186-188. -- ve42.co/Phillips2018
Guerrini, C. J., Robinson, J. O., Petersen, D., & McGuire, A. L. (2018). Should police have access to genetic genealogy databases? Capturing the Golden State Killer and other criminals using a controversial new forensic technique. PLoS biology, 16(10), e2006906. -- ve42.co/Guerrini
Ram, N., Guerrini, C. J., & McGuire, A. L. (2018). Genealogy databases and the future of criminal investigation. Science, 360(6393), 1078-1079. -- ve42.co/Ram2019
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Writer: Derek Muller
Animators: Ivy Tello, Another Angle 3D Visuals
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@_nemo 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, that DuckDuckGo ending really hits a certain ironic spot.

@gasun1274 2 жыл бұрын

she should've used startpage

@LukeSumIpsePatremTe 2 жыл бұрын

Where is the irony?

@wouterzonneveld2305 2 жыл бұрын

@@LukeSumIpsePatremTe how do you not see the irony in this lol

@superbbackhand180 2 жыл бұрын

@@LukeSumIpsePatremTe I agree. I fail to see the irony in someone maintaining a catalog of peoples DNA and being able to track them, without even use of the service nor consent being worried about their own privacy and not wanting to be cataloged in Googles database, even though they would give consent for it

@ezerish 2 жыл бұрын

And family pictures on the wall being blurred out for privacy

@pedroscoponi4905 2 жыл бұрын

The issue with me isn't so much whether my privacy outweighs the need to catch violent criminals, it's whether I can trust institutions to not abuse of the privacy we've given up. And you really, really can't - and as the video demonstrates, even if you distrust them to the point of not being willing to share information yourself, your privacy might still be intruded upon anyway. This is a really complex, kinda haunting thing to think about.

@vezokpiraka 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. If it's strictly used to catch violent criminals, I'm more than happy to help, but it's never going to stop there.

@connect2437 2 жыл бұрын

@@vezokpiraka I assume it would actually. At least in name. I am fearful thought that it could be used to setup anyone and in massive, massive numbers.

@TechyBen 2 жыл бұрын

What about DNA production? If someone "fakes" DNA at a crime scene? The world is getting more and more complicated. But this process in general seems to help track down more evidence, and that is a good thing.

@MBunn-uf1we 2 жыл бұрын

it's already out of peoples control now, innumerable corporations and public institutions make use of powerful algorithms to search databases like this all the time, examples include the risk assessment software used by insurance companies, credit scoring by finance, to the risk assessment software being used by courts.

@MrSpikegee 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the dude comparing a loss to someone’s privacy is totally missing the point. Probably on purpose. It’s a prelude to the stance politicians will take to have dangerous laws passed.

@CREEmusic Жыл бұрын

I love how the video ends on her not wanting her searches tracked while promoting everyone have their DNA tracked LOL. The problem has never been a system being used correctly, its always been its misuse.

@joelt7869 Жыл бұрын

It's a genius addition to the video. Hypocrite.

@frostfamily5321 Жыл бұрын

Isn't this problem there not being a law saying that health insurance companies are required to charge all of their customers the same price because that law prevents disability discrimination.

@Anon_571 11 ай бұрын

Yet liberals claim that governments and other orgs like the FBI, NSA, CIA, WHO, WEF, etc., couldn't possibly misuse their power or fall into corruption. Only a liberals' conspiracy theory can be taken seriously? Funny how that works.

@MADNESSCOMBAT10 11 ай бұрын

@@frostfamily5321the US is the only western country without universal healthcare. The Insurance lobby can do whatever they want in that country. It will 100% come to this.

@GR33TINGSEARTHL1NGS 11 ай бұрын

@@joelt7869 That isn't hypocritical. Hyprocisy is the practise of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case. You can simultaneously encourage people to do something seeing a greater collectively achieved good whilst also saying you don't want to do that thing yourself. There is no claim there of having a higher standard or a more noble belief. It's important not to get the micro confused with the macro. Often times two different standards are going to be totally justified when you're dealing with two totally different things. An extreme example to highlight the difference is, I might personally think that murder is wrong, and I might preach to others that they shouldn't murder, but I might also be completely open about the fact that I murder people regularly and I can't help myself because it feels so good. In that case, I'm not a hypocrite. I'm not pretending to have higher standards. I'm openly admitting that I'm doing a bad thing whilst preaching that others should do the opposite.

@kartik_adhia Жыл бұрын

Her using duck duck go was the best part of this video. Sorta summarizes how skewed people can be when it comes to them personally vs others.

@squid2754 Жыл бұрын

to be fair, we're talking about different types of information. duck duck go prevents you from online tracking, which can certainly lead to a myriad of different cyber-issues compared to sharing one's genetic information.

@fourierbird Жыл бұрын

What in the world are you on about? Did you even listen to her views on genetic privacy?

@GauravSingh-ky6qr Жыл бұрын

I was going to comment this! Take this duck 🦆

@poopingducks Жыл бұрын

Love that she was using it on Chrome lmao.

@mateobravo9212 Жыл бұрын

Well seen!

@incorporealnuance 2 жыл бұрын

"he did everything he could to leave no trace" he was a cop, wasn't he. "former police officer" LOL

@prabhatsingh9111 2 жыл бұрын

My hunch is loner type of a guy , well could be a cop as well, probably a small buisness owner, who could stalked the prey in his free time, and location of houses should have played a big role, probably wouldnt have attacked someone living in a busy street/apartment complex

@witticisms 2 жыл бұрын

@@prabhatsingh9111 it was a former cop according to the video.

@pestbarn 2 жыл бұрын

Yup! The Golden State Killer is Joseph DeAngelo, a former police officer who committed at least 13 murders, 50 rapes, and 120 burglaries across California between 1974 and 1986.

@johnestupido1418 2 жыл бұрын

@@pestbarn A man needs a hobby.

@David-rj1ru 2 жыл бұрын

@@prabhatsingh9111 BAAAAAAAD PRRRRROOOOOOOFFFIIIIIIIIILLLLLLEEEEE

@mehwhyausername1 2 жыл бұрын

"My biggest concern is health insurance. If you have someone's DNA profile, and that gets into the wrong hands, or laws enacted, resulting in health insurance companies having access to knowing that this person has a proclivity to Parkinson's, then rates could skyrocket. This is a massive privacy issue." there needs to be a full video about this and other downsides

@gatisfauss5400 2 жыл бұрын

It's a Twilight kind of scenario. But be sure any data if chance strikes will be abused. And reality show that seemingly minuscule data places gathered in large enough quantity grants thus possibility.

@chriskeel3096 2 жыл бұрын

they got your freaking dna and you major concern is insurance rates? stop worshipping the dollar, psychophant. they can clone you, and accuse you of what your clone did, thats not concerning?

@PapaWheelie1 2 жыл бұрын

@@chriskeel3096 - I can think of easier and cheaper ways of setting someone up

@archiemisc 2 жыл бұрын

@@chriskeel3096 They can't instantly clone an adult version of you. Stop reading those conspiracy theory blogs.

@drmadjdsadjadi 2 жыл бұрын

It is illegal for health insurance companies to use genetic information to determine rates or deny coverage. Go look up the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008. Life insurance companies, disability insurance companies, and long-term care insurance companies, on the other hand . . . .

@BM-jy6cb Жыл бұрын

In the UK, the RIPA act was introduced "to counter terrorism". It wasn't long before local councils were using it to snoop on people who were using relative's addresses to get their kids into a decent school or even those putting their bins it for collection on the wrong day. When the National DNA database was set up, it was supposed to be for convicted criminals to prevent further offending. When Tony Bliar was later asked what proportion of the UK population he'd like to see on the database, he replied "the maximum possible". The police asked the general public in Croydon for their help catching a serial rapist by giving a DNA sample "simply to eliminate them from the investigation". All their DNA was immediately put on the national DNA database and the police refused to remove it after the investigation was closed. When COVID struck, police were given unprecedented powers "to protect the public". Almost immediately, stories broke about police using drones to identify people walking their dog in the middle of the countryside and videos appeared with police officers threatening people with arrest for letting their kids play in their front gardens. Do I trust current governments and state institutions? No. Do I trust future governments and institutions? Absolutely not!

@harrywhittaker7563 Жыл бұрын

>Bliar I see what you did there lol

@barbthegreat586 Жыл бұрын

In what relation are the use of drones and DNA database?

@jimpim6454 Жыл бұрын

Tony Blair, vile creature who should be in the tower of London for demographically and culturally obliterating a once great country.

@WiltedGoldRoses Жыл бұрын

@@barbthegreat586 the point is that whether it’s through drones or DNA analysis, people in power are known to use technological advancements to violate our civil rights.

@xcurrentbreeze6626 Жыл бұрын

@@barbthegreat586 Both are powers being abused by the government. It's really not that hard to see the relation...

@SevenGC89 Жыл бұрын

I think the scariest part of the whole video was how he was involved with the taskforce actively working to catch him and I remember hearing the story of the guy in the group saying something to the effect of "If he ever came into my house I would kill him" or something to that effect and he was actually in the group listening to the whole thing and hit that dudes house shortly after. Pretty scary how you really never know what goes on behind closed doors of people you think you know.

@Asiandramas99 5 ай бұрын

When in the start of video those guys mentioned that the killer was not leaving any fingerprints… I immediately thought it could be someone from police or who work closely with fingerprints thing… I don’t know if investigators at that time thought about it

@TransistorBased 2 ай бұрын

Kira...

@TIOLIOfficial Ай бұрын

If that is true, I love that story. Too many quasi tough guys.

@nodruj8681 Ай бұрын

It's most likely a myth. nut the fact that you want a 'tough guy' to have his wife r a p e d or for him to be killed is such a loser thing to say, i can tell you have revenge fantasies against more popular folks@@TIOLIOfficial

@The_ZeroLine Ай бұрын

@@Asiandramas99It only takes not being an idiot to ensure not leaving prints. Luckily, most criminals ARE idiots and extremely reckless.

@GaltJohn2008 2 жыл бұрын

My biggest problem with this is the enormous amount of DNA tracking and testing to find a criminal is OK, but death row inmates who get exonerated have to petition the court for years for a DNA test on existing samples to prove their innocence.

@woutermollema 2 жыл бұрын

I expect law enforcement to be very selective who they spend their recources on weather it's to catch the bad guys or protect the innocent. Life is not particularly fair.

@JacobthePoshPotato 2 жыл бұрын

Pretty one sided isnt it.

@david-dj8or 2 жыл бұрын

Even if there is evidence to fully clear a suspect it can be withheld, the suspect is told to run along and forget about it and the cloud is left hanging over his head

@JacobthePoshPotato 2 жыл бұрын

@@david-dj8or not to meantion media has already told everyone that person knows and destroyed their reputation forever.

@KaitouKaiju 2 жыл бұрын

@@woutermollema easy enough to say that when you're not the one being imprisoned wrongfully. Meanwhile the actual criminal is running free

@theondono 2 жыл бұрын

It’s curious to see everyone in the video talking as if data breaches are not a thing. Dna like all biometrics is tricky because once it’s out, there’s no way to make it private again.

@Secret_Moon 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Give me flashback of that Apple backdoor key.

@banzaigerm 2 жыл бұрын

what is this insane technique by this commenter to clickbait their profile(s)???

@CoffeeD_1 2 жыл бұрын

You can’t change your DNA code after its breached. And I also really feel like we have another snowdon-esque scenario before us, just with DNA

@bigmango1376 2 жыл бұрын

@@banzaigerm report them, I did the same.

@david_junior 2 жыл бұрын

@@Secret_Moon 😳Could you please talk more about that

@thebigman8250 Ай бұрын

That moment where the scientist said she was paranoid about privacy really hits. Insanely human moment.

@expomarker Жыл бұрын

It was one day in 4th grade, it was just a regular school day for me and my brother. During recess we saw a few helicopters flying around our school, and we thought we were getting filmed, so of course we wave and said hi as all children would. A few years later we find out those helicopters weren't filming us, but instead the house of the Golden state killer. He lived in the same block as my house, my elementary school, and we never knew.

@joelt7869 Жыл бұрын

That's what you get for living in California

@tyranneous 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not worried about the DNA part, the bit I'm anxious about is the misuse of the police. It is _SO_ easy to put someone's DNA somewhere. It's so easy to implicate someone.

@Superduper666 2 жыл бұрын

True. Blow your nose and they have your DNA to smear around.

@thetalantonx 2 жыл бұрын

Right? They caught the guy from DNA on his car door and in his trash. You ever throw away any DNA samples? Ever have a cold or hayfever?

@nochance3914 2 жыл бұрын

Do you think CCTV footages have left job or retired or what? Infact I know a story of a guy from India who avoided serious charge against him just because he used an ATM 500 km away from the location of murder at the same time. Few people killed life of a girl and put the blame on the guy and said he ran away. Feminist media took this and he soon became a national criminal. Only one News Channel that has Wion from India helped and investigated for the boy and his life was saved.

@trumpetperson11 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. What if some murderer decides to steal some tissues from the trash and wipe them around whenever he goes to kill someone. DNA 'evidence' seems like a slippery slope. People seem to trust it implicitly because, well, it is very accurate. But this completely blinds them on the fact that there is no proof that the DNA found is even linked to the killer.

@zahirkhan778 2 жыл бұрын

You know what i hadnt thought about this.

@rikuown 2 жыл бұрын

Makes sense that he stopped when DNA testing came out being that he was a former police officer.

@coolfer2 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah and also how his crimes were done so cleanly

@jessiesargent7212 2 жыл бұрын

Which proves that he was always capable of controlling his behavior. He's not crazy

@adrianbundy3249 2 жыл бұрын

Apparently not a very good police officer though, not accounting for the big thing we know. He didn't even last the decade, and was fired in 1979 after trying to shoplift, and was sentenced to 6 months, and subsequently removed from public service. His employment history for the 1980s is mysterious, but from 1990 to when he was captured, a truck mechanic. He had a history of breaking the law, like not paying for gas, 1996, and threatening the police chief when he was fired. Lol. I get the picture he wasn't really liked by many of those in law enforcement decades before he was known for this. Him being an excop only speaks to that.

@naram07 2 жыл бұрын

I was just thinking that when in the video the news reel played

@adrianbundy3249 2 жыл бұрын

@@chiggsytube I'm not sure what you mean. Him, being an ex-officer, going around threatening current officers kind of voids whatever protection you would imagine being an excop would offer, don't you think?

@dizasteraz1691 Жыл бұрын

That fact about deangelo being a police officer when he was doing the dirties was really quickly glossed over and brushed away...

@3kodokushi 2 ай бұрын

I didnt even heard it. I just know it from the comments now

@masudsaleh5155 Ай бұрын

@@3kodokushi😮😮😮😮

@ivered6786 6 ай бұрын

For several years, they have been trying to convince me to submit my tests to find out about relatives around the world with the help of DNA. And I dragged this decision all the time. And watching this video today, I realized that I did the right thing, that I didn't want to share my analogies for so long. It was called the law on bypassing if necessary.

@ayviondenar3461 Ай бұрын

I feel like your decision won’t really matter as long as you have a relative who’s willing to share their genetic data.

@reflex9238 11 күн бұрын

@@ayviondenar3461 won't give the full picture luckily depending on how close the relatives are, perhaps we could see an entire clan of people who refuse to submit their data to these databases, aside from paternity.

@ErikUden 2 жыл бұрын

“Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.” - Edward Snowden

@ekkehard8 2 жыл бұрын

It's different, except in the level of ridiculousness

@ivanivanovic5857 2 жыл бұрын

I call the argument of "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" the greatest intellectual goatse of all time.

@lobsterbark 2 жыл бұрын

"Those who don't move don't notice their chains." is a much better quote that communicates the same idea.

@ErikUden 2 жыл бұрын

@@lobsterbark absolutely

@VaiskHD 2 жыл бұрын

@@ivanivanovic5857 seriously lmao. One is about constraining someone to speak because you disagree with them and the other is about constraining someone's liberty because they've got something to hide. Waaaay different levels

@manojkulkarni4692 2 жыл бұрын

The fact that it took two years (noticed the calendar) for you to collect the whole data shows the level of dedication and effort put into making a video informative. I like how you grew from making scientific explanation videos to making videos about how science actually helps the world.

@michaeld4861 2 жыл бұрын

Right! That's quite impressive. Wonder how many videos he has in the works right now.

@vince4503 2 жыл бұрын

yeah, Oct 2019. Almost 2 years now from the interview, holy.

@itsnotyasir 2 жыл бұрын

Wow... great catch.

@NWoutdoorsman 2 жыл бұрын

I noticed that as well

@pepelepew1227 2 жыл бұрын

it also means out of that 100 thousand cold cases with dna, only a few will get caught before the statute of limitations expire due to manpower constraints 😆

@martind.799 11 ай бұрын

The problem as briefly mentionned in the video is that it is NOT just about improving public safety tracking criminals. Same data can and will be used (if not already) by a whole lot of other corporations like banks/insurances to filter their customers. I wouldn't be surprised if those innocent looking CEOs aren't referenced in their own databases and not encouraging relatives to give their samples.

@SK-fq1by3977 Ай бұрын

Pelosi told members a few years back anyone working at Pentagon not to do Ancestry DNA. 🤔🤔🤔

@jimothysmithers9476 Жыл бұрын

My mom lived through this, her and my grandparents were terrified when he was in sacramento. The look on my mom's face when he was caught was like everything just came back to her.

@bartz0rt928 2 жыл бұрын

This is a pretty fundamental debate. The industry people are saying "it's just for solving murders and rapes, and who doesn't want that?" But that limitation is completely arbitrary. They could look for who attended a protest, or a union meeting, or a gathering of political opposition. It's just that, right now, these companies aren't being bribed or coerced into that kind of cooperation. So the things being balanced aren't privacy vs apprehending a murderer, they're apprehending a murderer vs "are you confident that this will never be used in ways you disagree with, even in 100 years?"

@gullintanni 2 жыл бұрын

Germany's nazi party would likely use this kind of information to find people they want to remove. They did similar things during the war.

@DarkDreth 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's pretty crazy that your own family members could violate your own privacy by using these services. Most people don't know or care, but the decisions of others could impact people that do care. If you want to use services that test DNA it should be for medical reasons and performed by a doctor that way it's protected by HIPPAA/other medical privacy laws.

@WorldKeepsSpinnin 2 жыл бұрын

This whole thing seems like a nice excuse to release this technology to the public's knowledge and then convince them to help create a big enough database, With shame tactics like what you said "privacy vs apprehending a murderer". For future uses like the negatives you stated.

@discodecepticon 2 жыл бұрын

An evil government doesn't need us to make a database today for them to do that crap tomorrow... they could just force people to give DNA.

@peter9477 2 жыл бұрын

@@discodecepticon Then it's in the open. The worse risk is that this could happen behind closed doors with a government that is supposedly not evil. If there even is such a thing... it's no longer clear. Basically all current governments appear to be evil, at least in some of their actions.

@ericpeterson6520 2 жыл бұрын

The fact that the serial killer they were looking for turned out to be a police officer really makes me feel more comfortable about giving the police as much power and access to private information as possible

@BjsCity 2 жыл бұрын

Ok, THIS comment is a good one

@peterkelley6344 2 жыл бұрын

I found it to be an interesting twist of events for the cycle of the case.

@singerofsongs468 2 жыл бұрын

I can’t believe this was glossed over the way it was. How can we trust our current law enforcement system if it has demonstrated time and time again its high potential for abuse?

@impguardwarhamer 2 жыл бұрын

this whole damn orwelian nightmare could have been avoided if they just decided to try and tackle police corruption instead of selling out their own people to centuries of future dictatorships to come

@theophanialily9186 2 жыл бұрын

@@singerofsongs468 This channel is pretty solidly pro-establishment power.

@suyashsngh250 9 ай бұрын

I rarely say this, but this is absolutely amazing! I am glad I saw this video. One of the few videos that blew my mind and expanded my way of thinking.

@shanayaranashetty 2 ай бұрын

FACINATING video. I love the way you put the information together. It’s inspiring to see people in the STEM influencer space communicate such important topics in a simple and engaging manner. Please keep doing what you are doing!!!

@SpareSomeChange8080 2 жыл бұрын

When this company has it's inevitable data breach, it's going to be really interesting.

@spraitukas 2 жыл бұрын

No one would tell the public

@truthboom 2 жыл бұрын

Cloning the DNA then framing people lol

@niXta123 2 жыл бұрын

”When”…

@SpareSomeChange8080 2 жыл бұрын

@@niXta123 I say "when" rather than "if" due to the fact that about 63% of all breaches come from an insider attack rather than an external attack; and the data they're holding is incredibly valuable. An employee who is: pissed off with the company, being blackmailed, being bribed, a member of a unethical competitor, or hacker group destined to commit some form of industrial espionage, is the biggest threat they can face. No firewall or antivirus will stop this, they need to police their employees extremely carefully.

@virtuerse 2 жыл бұрын

Not only will that happen but they will place innocent ppl in jail with their faulty technology. Not impressed by this at all.

@Kingsleyrulz 2 жыл бұрын

The potential for abuse of this in the hands of the state is insane.

@pbp6741 2 жыл бұрын

Chinese Communist Party has entered the conversation.

@Razor-gx2dq 2 жыл бұрын

Tyranny has entered the conversation.

@gasun1274 2 жыл бұрын

the death of a million is a statistic, the death of one is a tragedy. - Stalin this is why we should avoid ourselves getting too emotional based on single cases. ultimately more evil will follow causing suffering for more people for longer if we make uninformed decisions.

@IceSpoon 2 жыл бұрын

I don't even worry about the state, but private companies. Health, food, everything can be tracked down so they offer the best/most profitable products to particular people. The Parkinson example was on point there.

@jlight7346 2 жыл бұрын

Well yeah, but everyone knows that the state has never done anything wrong and never will. /s

@djjf94 Жыл бұрын

KZfaqs algorithm has been pushing your videos so hard for so long that I am only realizing now that I was not subscribed and I swear that I have been watching your videos for atleast the past year.

@LovingLioness Жыл бұрын

Great video. Thank you so much. This is the best video on this topic that I have seen. Great job!

@ignemuton5500 2 жыл бұрын

i'm honestly more scared about private companies lobbying governmental institutes to let access this information easily, the thought that a company like microsoft, or google or AT&T or whatever could have access to your DNA is truly terrifying.

@sevoftalpha 2 жыл бұрын

Indeed, during the video I kept looking at Derek and wondering "When is the video gonna address that?" And unfortunately that has barely been mentioned. What companies have done with personal data again and again has been already a scandal and this... oh boy, I don't know, I'd say that 'truly terrifying' sums it nicely

@maskettaman1488 2 жыл бұрын

That's nonsense! Now please enable fingerprint scanning and facial recognition on your phone and laptop. Thanks

@Lyf4rMusic 2 жыл бұрын

@@maskettaman1488 haha they'll give ALL the access to their personal identity info in the name of 'High-tech security' who claim they 'don't store such info on their clouds', but the reality hits like a brick with so many leaks !

@sevoftalpha 2 жыл бұрын

@@maskettaman1488 Hehe, I mean, yeah, indeed. I'm sure in many cases people seem to use two measures and hold contrasting views without paying attention to it. That's not always true, nor does that make some worries less valid, I think.

@Grizabeebles 2 жыл бұрын

What has me concerned is vigilantes uploading other people's raw data without consent and parents uploading their childrens' DNA profiles. Once its out there, you can't get it back.

@Adam-cs2qm 2 жыл бұрын

In the hands of a theoretical, benevolent government that is able to keep this information from private corporations, this is wonderful. In the real world, with government corruption, private companies lobbying officials, widespread government employees using confidential information for personal use, this is terrifying.

@MrDarren690 2 жыл бұрын

Very true. Good idea but we still have too much rust and rot that abuse is concern :(

@Muskar2 2 жыл бұрын

@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 Communism is not authoritarian by definition. There's variations from libertarian to authoritarian. To be fair, libertarian ideologies are rarely realized so we are always left with the authoritarian examples in history. But libertarianism originally stems from Marxism/Communism, so I think it's a highly interpretative and politically loaded example. The OP is specifically concerned with centralized power (i.e. authoritarian), and I think it's important to be very specific when dealing with political topics. E.g. your point could be made with dictatorships just as well.

@sjorsangevare 2 жыл бұрын

@King Pistachion The drawback is if the definition of "crime" or "criminal" changes in the future

@__goat__ 2 жыл бұрын

@King Pistachion There was this guy named Hitler, I'm pretty sure you don't want to be in a DNA database when he is in charge, do you?

@Jaguarboy11 2 жыл бұрын

@@Muskar2 You're correct about the existence of social libertarian examples of communism (anarcho-communes, etc), but libertarianism precedes Marxist theory by a good bit, being mostly an offshoot of classical liberalism from the Enlightenment period (Locke, Rousseau, etc)

@SimonSozzi7258 Жыл бұрын

26:00 The IRONY! 🤣🤦‍♂️ She used Duck Duck Go because she's paranoid about being tracked.

@lexinicole4317 Жыл бұрын

I love the lady taking you on the tour of the facility. She smiles so wide when you get excited about the topic

@DoorThief 2 жыл бұрын

Title yesterday: "your DNA is already in a database" *Sees title today* I'm glad I watched the other video where you test out different titles and thumbnails to see which is more effective

@SomeRandomDevOpsGuy 2 жыл бұрын

This is the 3rd or 4th name change. I don't think this video is doing as well as he wanted.

@natalie5947 2 жыл бұрын

I definitely agree with Derek's assertion that he is "bad at making video titles". I liked today's title and thumbnail and clicked it, but I skipped it yesterday. I think overall it's a net benefit since he does, in fact, create valuable content that's worth watching.

@haraldessert 2 жыл бұрын

My new fun time activity is to wait and open the video only in a title/thumbnail I want Derek to think is more "effective".

@teakettle7021 2 жыл бұрын

Thought i was crazy for a minute

@nathanberrigan9839 2 жыл бұрын

It's trippy, though, when you start watching it with one title, have to pause, then come back a few hours later and the name is different.

@Herbie_Cucumber 2 жыл бұрын

I would have appreciated more time spent actually examining the potential abuses that can arise down the line from the normalization of these practices, as the video is very one-sided in given views (all LEOs and DNA companies cooperating with them). There was only one brief mention of something like health insurance companies using it to determine coverage, and I'm sure that's only the tip of the iceberg regarding bad actors, public and private, who'd like to know more about you.

@consciouscode8150 2 жыл бұрын

I don't personally see that much potential for abuse, at our level and for the next 100 years at least this DNA information won't be useful for much more than kinship queries or analyzing health risk factors. The fact that it isn't even really your data to keep private I think is what makes this not really a moral grey area, you share your DNA with your family of course they're not going to keep it private. I do wish they addressed the privacy concerns a lot more though because people in the comments are running wild with "if"s because the video left a big gaping hole there. At least cover immediate concerns like "they could determine your likes and preferences!" and debunk them

@DMitsukirules 2 жыл бұрын

I personally feel that the entire spiel by them is exactly the best arguments against the entire thing. I can't imagine somebody walking away from this thinking how great it is...but then again, hey, who knows.

@turdferguson3400 2 жыл бұрын

@@consciouscode8150 there's definitely tons of room for abuses here.

@TheTim466 2 жыл бұрын

@@turdferguson3400 Care to give some more than the health insurance one? Haven't seen much else in the comments so far.

@ravirajyaguru5905 2 жыл бұрын

Humans are masters of exploiting any given information for personal gain/benefits. So yeah, potential negatives must be discussed first, before discussing any positives.

@IsuruKusumal Жыл бұрын

I really like this format of videos - perhaps you should also do one on the Zodiak killer

@mersontony 8 ай бұрын

This is one of my top favorite videos of yours. It was incredibly interesting from beginning to end.... I feel the good that cones out of this so called new tool for law inforecment EXTREMELY out wieghs the bad

@mackblack5153 2 жыл бұрын

Derek is a genius for including that last bit about DuckDuckGo. It was very subtle of him to not blatantly point out the irony, but bold enough for the audience to understand exactly why he did it. Working from within.

@tobiramasenju6290 2 жыл бұрын

Wait I don't get it?

@gyftedwon3209 2 жыл бұрын

@@tobiramasenju6290 Duck Duck Go as a search Engine is designed to stop companies from viewing and tracking data as much, since on things like google or bing they sell private data for business. The irony was that she was using a search engine based on privacy right after advocating that you should put everything about your biological makeup into a database.

@memyselfandi6364 2 жыл бұрын

She said she was paranoid at the beginning

@rutgerottens6064 2 жыл бұрын

@@tobiramasenju6290 0

@USPInx 2 жыл бұрын

I think the scientist caught that right away, her expression turned a bit on the stern side when she realized what was going on^^

@brixiu5 2 жыл бұрын

I'm kinda bummed there is no expert that seems to specialize in critiquing genetic databases in this video. Seems like everyone presented has biases toward supporting the process.

@usser1138 2 жыл бұрын

I mean most people have a bias against it anyways. This video shouldn’t change their mind

@richmelchr 2 жыл бұрын

the technology makes their job easier.

@mikelisputnieks6307 2 жыл бұрын

One of them was against at the end though

@sevoftalpha 2 жыл бұрын

@@usser1138 I suppose so, but still it's part of the topic, and in this case it's not really just 'a' concern, it's THE concern people have over seeing information abused time and time again, private companies have shown very little reason to be trusted with personal data and discussing this aspect while discussing the pros, would have been pretty meaningful. Lost chance, it's but one video, still Veritasium had better standards when coverin other topics

@mattthelearner2797 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it is very, very scary and It's bound to get worse. Just remember what the UN's 2030 agenda says: "you will own nothing and you will be happy". The scariest thing is that a lot, if not most people with significant influence in the science community, support this agenda blindly and enthusiastically and don't want you to even question these things (which is extremely unscientific). If you believe It's just a conspiracy theory, just go visit the top universities...

@CoffeeKnife 9 ай бұрын

If anyone here is interested in the stuff about DNA possibly being used to discrimate, I strongly suggest watching the movie Gattaca because that idea is a core part of it's premise and it is an extremely inspiring story as well.

@mfsperring 5 ай бұрын

Im glad you did this I've had questions for awhile. My concerns about privacy is more what governments and businesses can do with that information. The life or health insurance mentioned is one example but history has shown us that technology can be used in oppressive ways. Think deciding on who can get an education or if someone is likely to be a criminal. Scary stuff. The other questions I have is about the technique they use to get DNA from crime scenes. I've heard terms like partial DNA or reconstructed DNA and can't quite get my head around them. Maybe that could be a future video. Thanks for another well done video.

@besmart 2 жыл бұрын

CSI: GATTACA

@Treppe85 2 жыл бұрын

I was looking for someone else to have noticed that.

@nicholaskarig952 2 жыл бұрын

@@ramchandravarshney4149 there is a movie called GATTACA that is based on a world where your socio-economic status in society is based on your genetics

@lystic9392 2 жыл бұрын

@@ramchandravarshney4149 GATTACA is a movie that explores... authoritarianism based on genetics.

@PierreAugusteLambelet 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, you just made me understand GATTACA, I'm so dumb...

@Zantam70 2 жыл бұрын

4head

@RyanShiels 2 жыл бұрын

That duckduckgo at the end was just beautiful. It was like the end of a black mirror episode! All this talk of how dna is great to be used for law enforcement, and then opening up a privacy based search engine.

@98Zai 2 жыл бұрын

It might as well be a black mirror episode.

@holdenrobbins852 2 жыл бұрын

Something tells me her own DNA isn't in that database.

@Si74l0rd 2 жыл бұрын

@@holdenrobbins852 I was thinking exactly that.

@geodarian1361 2 жыл бұрын

there is some kind of strong irony that she would use ducduckgo

@aliasrehbar9693 2 жыл бұрын

Precisely lmao

@signready Жыл бұрын

Very informative and entertaining video. I had no idea how vast the DNA map would span or the ways that it can help as well as concern. Thanks!

@cary_domiii 7 ай бұрын

That deck of cards is SO INTUITIVE!! I'm so jealous that I did not thought of that before...

@JL1009 2 жыл бұрын

"Detective! We found a pool of the killer's blood!" "Gross. Mop that up. Now back to my hunch"

@asmunddahlin1603 2 жыл бұрын

They DRESS UP for the bank robbery!

@skyzu9558 2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking about that the whole video

@tobiramasenju6290 2 жыл бұрын

John Mulany(misspelled)

@JL1009 2 жыл бұрын

@@tobiramasenju6290 why didn’t u just spell it right then lol

@ravingsofa...6 2 жыл бұрын

We’ve already seen this exact story a million times, a technology/law is promised to be used in strict and certain ways but slowly gets expanded out over time.

@jackfrost-lr3tq 2 жыл бұрын

Just this once we promise. Oh damn that was really useful. Maybe once more wouldn't hurt. DNA databases are a gateway drug.

@ericgulseth74 2 жыл бұрын

Like Apple scanning users phones for CP. Easy to get behind as the initial reasons is highly altruistic, but it becomes a slippery slope.

@immabeabitinactiveonthisac6700 2 жыл бұрын

No but this time it’s actually dif- hey we could use this to invade privacy and use terrorsim as an excuse

@meclazine Жыл бұрын

One of the best genetic genealogy videos in terms of a scientific explanation.

@user-xp8bq2sf2b 10 ай бұрын

8:34 The playing cards example was amazing. Thanks for that.

@OXXOI77777 2 жыл бұрын

The guy who was talking about how health insurance companies will try take advantage of DNA profiling is on-point

@ze_rubenator 2 жыл бұрын

That only applies in the USA, though.

@jmojma 2 жыл бұрын

@@ze_rubenator Yes, in India only about 40 percent are medically insured...and they are not really worth it and don't cover much of the expenses.

@piyh3962 2 жыл бұрын

We say this is privacy vs murderers, but it includes all future application of DNA that are currently unimaginable today. Imagine I get all movie actors to sign away streaming rights in 1999. I'd be stealing billions from them. We're signing away our biometrics for eternity.

@notname4414 2 жыл бұрын

And that, is just one example of many other uses this database could provide.

@jmojma 2 жыл бұрын

@@notname4414 what is the other example?

@MooreDoing 2 жыл бұрын

The title of this video has changed 4 times. He's definitely putting into practice the tactics outlined in a previous video on the subject. Seems to be working. The view count continues to increase.

@78tag 2 жыл бұрын

You can only hope that with the continued viewing, more and more people will get Veritas's unintended message. The propaganda put forward in this report is an insult to humanity at this point.

@user-mj7qw6xo1u 2 жыл бұрын

@Kadir Garip look at the cuts

@user-mj7qw6xo1u 2 жыл бұрын

Well it’s not gonna decrease…

@Machiflores 2 жыл бұрын

The count gets larger, but is the changing names whats drives it? or is another mechanism? Its kind of hard If you switch names, to see if one name is more interesting. Maybe the best is to have the same video with all the names published at start.

@mnnptl 2 жыл бұрын

Changed it again now

@cedwardgalli 2 ай бұрын

I was born and raised in Citrus Heights. Still live there. It’s crazy to know he was living here for so long. My mother was a teenager when he was commenting his crimes in the Rancho area. Growing up, we never left windows open, we always locked our doors and windows all because this guy. My mom always knew he was still out there and never caught. Crazy to know he lived so close for a lot of that time

@masudsaleh5155 Ай бұрын

Lmao 🤣 🤣 Windows 🪟 in the western houses don't have metals protection

@cedwardgalli Ай бұрын

That’s true. We didn’t have any kind of protection on the windows. Just a mesh screen

@_Longwinded Жыл бұрын

One of the best medical science video I’ve ever seen in the world of YT.

@parkerbarnes7726 2 жыл бұрын

"Trust the police with your DNA!" "The Golden State Killer was a cop btw..."

@angelicagomez3082 2 жыл бұрын

Haha good one

@sorinstroe6156 2 жыл бұрын

maybe cops shouldn't have that much privacy that they can do all that murder and rape

@pvic6959 2 жыл бұрын

that would explain how he knew how to stay hidden for so long. he knew what the cops looked for and could prepare for it. thats scary

@LovesGrilling 2 жыл бұрын

Oof, that's a sick burn.

@LightSourceTemple 2 жыл бұрын

If I wanted to kill people I'd definitely become a cop

@Xitoshi 2 жыл бұрын

In this video: "Trust the Police with your DNA" Also in this video: "Former Police Officer was a serial killer"

@fasihmuhammadkhan5248 2 жыл бұрын

Joseph James was a good guy until he wasnt

@iceybrice 2 жыл бұрын

These aren't just police officers finding these killers. This is possible for literally anyone to use. We used this to find my moms biological parents. It's available to everyone.

@jesperengelbredt 2 жыл бұрын

Make it mandatory for all law enforcement personel to be registered with their DNA. That should cut down dramatically the number of criminal police officers.

@78tag 2 жыл бұрын

Not many people understood the significance of that little tidbit.

@78tag 2 жыл бұрын

@@iceybrice You have no idea what a simple little convenience like that has done to the whole world , do you?

@MadMaxMovieReactions Ай бұрын

Bro this genetic explaining stuff is so interesting ty fr

@Redbikemaster 9 ай бұрын

"I believe in X right, but..." A dangerous phrase indeed.

@Scott-ly3ch 2 жыл бұрын

"Is duck duck go, is that good?" Brilliantly baited.

@bridgebum826 2 жыл бұрын

"Brilliant"-ly. I see what you did there.

@nikulkumar1907 2 жыл бұрын

111 likes!!! not gonna ruin it 😅

@Shimeih 2 жыл бұрын

@@nikulkumar1907 143 now

@ActionAdam 2 жыл бұрын

Wait what does DuckDuckGo do?

@SGprooo 2 жыл бұрын

@@ActionAdam it double ducks the go

@Alhoshka 2 жыл бұрын

"That scale [between murder and privacy] is way the hell like this." Yeah... until murder is no longer a requirement for DNA data mining. Did everybody just forget about Prism and Snowden!?

@oksowhat 2 жыл бұрын

in the 1000 page terms and condition there will be a small clause giving companies free hand to sell data,

@Charlemagne_III 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, they did forget about it.

@professorfukyu744 2 жыл бұрын

This video is made to reassure you that nothing can possibly go wrong. All hail the new world order!

@Charlemagne_III 2 жыл бұрын

@@professorfukyu744 I got the opposite message.

@blest5132 2 жыл бұрын

yes, yes they did, and tomorrow they will forget anything they learned today.

@noamanm3523 3 күн бұрын

Another phenomenal video by Mr. Derek! My absolute salute to you, sir.

@PloutosPlays Жыл бұрын

"We don't work with law enforcement" Literally 5 minutes later, "We'll only work with law enforcement IF". No thanks..

@tomisabum 2 жыл бұрын

Kinda just breezed past the whole 'Former Police Officer Was The Killer' aspect to this story, didn't we. Someone who, if the tech existed, would have had access to such a system.

@XanderBlade 2 жыл бұрын

Hey, excellent point. Your comment should go topside STAT!

@yoted 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, imagine if the guy used it to stalk a victim. For instance, he sees the victim at a coffee shop, grabs their used cup/tissue/whatever from the trash, then sequences it and searches it (possibly with the plausible excuse of looking for evidence from another crime). Now they know who the person is without having to follow them.

@moahhabiib 2 жыл бұрын

What amaze me , they don't have all police officer in the DNA data base under fbi ?

@JohnBender1313 2 жыл бұрын

This is gonna be part of the Dexter reboot. Lol

@salvarious 2 жыл бұрын

Explains why they didn't get caught for so long.

@0sac 2 жыл бұрын

Despite GEDmatch's opt-in policy, in fall 2019, it was served with a warrant by law-enforcement in Florida, demanding access to all of its DNA profiles, including those of the vast majority of users who had not opted in to allow law enforcement access (at that time, approximately 185,000 of 1.3 million users had opted in).[94] GEDmatch complied with this warrant. From Wikipedia

@wnsjimbo2863 2 жыл бұрын

Florida did something good , funny

@cowboyflipflopped 2 жыл бұрын

If you got a warrant, I guess you're gonna come in.

@KostyaT 2 жыл бұрын

wow, i did not know that. i had my data on it but did not opt-in when they changed the terms.

@sergheiadrian 2 жыл бұрын

And that is exactly why I am reluctant to take a 23andme or ancestry DNA test.

@dandutton7077 2 жыл бұрын

Yup! No privacy

@DanRichter 2 ай бұрын

The amount of work that goes into these videos... the calendar behind the woman at 18:40 says October 2019, yet the video wasn't uploaded until nearly two years later.

@masudsaleh5155 Ай бұрын

Yes

@martingo2680 7 ай бұрын

There's a ton of videos on KZfaq of how people are getting caught now throughout the process of genealogy. It's crazy!..

@rubberonasphalt 2 жыл бұрын

The fact that the DNA lady was paranoid enough to make her search habits hidden with Duck Duck Go, says a lot about where her head is at, knowing what she knows

@mikecampbell8777 2 жыл бұрын

Sadly though, she's using it in Chrome. So.... Is it really tracking her less?

@thelastxgamer 2 жыл бұрын

@@mikecampbell8777 It's probably a company computer, so that might come with limitations on what you can download and run. Even then, it *is* tracking you a bit less, I think.

@TheSteveSteele 2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately Chrome installs Agents that constantly send out usage, location, software and hardware data along with any Cookies that are installed and it’s a persistent app that’s sneaky for the average person to remove, (last time I checked). Your search engine is a big part of your fingerprint, no doubt, but only a part of the overall picture. It’s ironic that a data collecting agency is using software that is itself a data collector. However, (or hopefully) this person’s computer probably isn’t a data critical workstation, and hopefully, again, the sensitive workstations are isolated on a protected network, etc… Maybe there’s a reason she’s using Chrome. She seems aware of the liability though.

@Alex-bw6yd 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that got a chuckle and a sigh out of me.

@peanut3438 2 жыл бұрын

But is Duck Duck Go open source or proprietary? If it’s proprietary then it’s not trustworthy

@louisg.2640 2 жыл бұрын

That card deck analogy explaining the presence of identical sequences of DNA in parents and offsprings might be the best analogy I've ever seen

@PinkyMinions 2 жыл бұрын

Ikr, robbing that for my genetics class

@veritasium 2 жыл бұрын

And I suck at cards so that one scene was a two hour shoot.

@vicente8749 2 жыл бұрын

It’s a great explanation of haplotypes!

@Olon97 2 жыл бұрын

It obscures some of the nuance of the coin flip in Meiosis 1, but on the upside could easily be converted into a whole classroom activity if you can find enough different colored card decks. I’m fascinated by the edge case where you can end up with a nearly 0% SNP match with a great grandparent if there is a streak of ending up with getting the other grandparents chromosomes.

@sandhanitizer15 2 жыл бұрын

@@veritasium worth the two hours lol

@GI_Jimbo Ай бұрын

That guy was so concerned about privacy that he goes by the name "Dr. Doc Edge" like pff come on that cannot be your real name

@TheBnzr 5 ай бұрын

I taught forensic science and during our unit on DNA evidence, I gave my students this question: Do you think we should have genetic privacy? We had a class discussion (called Socratic Seminar) at the end to wrestle with this question. Many of them hit on exactly the issue of privacy vs public safety.

@Desertneo 2 жыл бұрын

Not sure why, but letting you know that what lured me to this video was the name change. Not because of the actual name (the previous one was also good), but because I remembered your other videos about video names :D

@phoenixfoster-smith8585 2 жыл бұрын

same lol

@tejasas7046 2 жыл бұрын

I guess previous name was 'Your DNA is a database or storage' something like that

@cumanhiburanML 2 жыл бұрын

And the thumbnail too

@RealCoolGuy 2 жыл бұрын

The previous name drew me... I probably would not have clicked on this title

@jcrjr383 2 жыл бұрын

Same

@davieb8216 2 жыл бұрын

This reminds me of how an anti terror unit in Australian is being used against comedians/journalist's. Only took a couple years for it to be abused.

@jskratnyarlathotep8411 2 жыл бұрын

we can see that the issue is not in another privacy violation. The issue is that people don't care about the government and allow it to do whatever they want

@bhanuvaishnavi7538 2 жыл бұрын

okay now I can't sleep fun.......these technologies didn't reach third world countries where everything gets abused even if it can't be.....so something like this is going to be veryyyyy much abused

@superneenjaa718 2 жыл бұрын

@@jskratnyarlathotep8411 don't put responsibility on someone who have little to no power to prevent this. How would you not allow them to do this? By voting the opposition? What if opposition does the same when they come to power?

@lindsaytang1017 2 жыл бұрын

Mostly unrelated but gladys has resigned

@mouseii88 2 жыл бұрын

@@jskratnyarlathotep8411 come out with a solution that have the government do nothing to stop criminals and criminals are being stopped. Then we talk about people not caring about letting the government do whatever they want. Throwing it to a for profit security firm is no difference than not caring what the security firm do to keep you safe.

@ZMacZ 11 ай бұрын

They can add the start and ending non-same sequence into the database as well. That would make each repeat even more unique, but also provide better part DNA distinction. So for each repeat, they'd add the one before the repeat and the one ending the repeats string. Then with even partial DNA a search may come up correct.

@ZMacZ 11 ай бұрын

The Verogen method can also lead to sibling or parential or even familial indirect identification. It makes sense that now that storage is like multi petabyte at low cost, that storing more detailed DNA patterns is also an option. Storing 10 million frames on each DNA pattern would make the whole of the nation recordable for a mere less than 1024 terabytes, or 1 peta, with enough leftover for 150 million more Americans. 128 x 8 TB drives spread over 16 small servers, needing less than 2m3 physical space, and through the spread allow for fast searches. Once laboratorial splitting of DNA goes out of the loop, and where instead the DNA is being read whole, with a fast chip descerning which is relevant, from sample to DNA search would need less than 5 minutes, with the search itself included.

@michellebwilson2610 Жыл бұрын

Great animation on the diagrams. Kudos.

@mouwersor 2 жыл бұрын

Something nobody seems to mention: Giving the government more control is only desirable assuming the government will always act in your best interest. It doesn't, that would be absurd and ahistorical.

@yuridhjeeyn9034 2 жыл бұрын

copied from another comment up above: (by Parker Barnes) "Trust the police with your DNA!" "The Golden State Killer was a cop btw..."

@Serjo777 2 жыл бұрын

@King Pistachion And of course I can just leave my DNA at home or just break it and throw it in the trash like my phone...

@petterjy5047 2 жыл бұрын

@King Pistachion thats different in so many ways.

@satellitecannon9463 2 жыл бұрын

@King Pistachion It's the genetic information the main concern

@karl7428 2 жыл бұрын

also, it goes beyond just your local law inforcement/government. if the govt. has your data, you may as well assume its publicly available to foreign governments, hackers, criminals, multinational businesses ect. leaks happen all the time with personal data

@MattsAwesomeStuff 2 жыл бұрын

Most people don't know this, but once upon a time (maybe still?), I think I read about it 15 years ago, several major printer brands would print out, on each printed page, a tiny, nearly-invisible grid of nearly-white dots in indistinguishable pale yellow ink. Single pixels. *The positions of these dots identified via a simple code the specific serial number of the printer that printed them.* Every page you printed had these on them, and you couldn't tell they were there with a naked eye, so, of course none of us ever noticed them. So, what's the problem with that? Well, suppose you're a murder, and you printed a page and left it at the scene. Law enforcement could eventually identify that your printed printed that page. Or your office printer, or whatever they seized with a warrant or perhaps whatever they could find in a warranty database. So far so good. *But what about someone who printed pamphlets exposing for example government corruption?* Someone trying to rally against a politician's opponent, or even just someone pushing for the power of police unions to be reduced? Now it's possible, with abuse, to to prevent corruption from being safe to expose. Genetic databases are the same. It's great to catch killers, rapists, and child abductors. But there is a massive potential to suppress dissent, and to make dissent too risky to consider.

@3nertia 2 жыл бұрын

All part of the plan ...

@cfromnowhere 2 жыл бұрын

This sounded like a conspiracy theory and I searched it in doubt, and damned it is real! It's called Machine Identification Code. There's a Wikipedia article about it.

@oxybrightdark8765 2 жыл бұрын

is this why my printer won't print in black and white without colour ink?

@MattsAwesomeStuff 2 жыл бұрын

@@oxybrightdark8765 that's probably as much marketing as anything, but, perhaps.

@neondemon5137 2 жыл бұрын

All the smart serial killers use Kinko's.

@sergiocervantes9870 6 ай бұрын

This is such a delicate subject mate. I guess we have to hope for the best. We are giving up our privacy by using social media, ai don't see why not give it up for something that can do some good to someone else.

@JulieDodgshon Жыл бұрын

Also fascinating and well done Doc Dude!

@internetazzhole7592 2 жыл бұрын

"If you don't do crimes then you don't have anything to worry about." "I trust people with a lot of power not to screw me over."

@theodoreharvey4814 2 жыл бұрын

have you read animal farm or 1984 by chance?

@stevem815 2 жыл бұрын

Or you trust them not to make the things you want to do it into crimes.

@user-zt3dv5cl4b 2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha, indeed...

@Avighna 2 жыл бұрын

@@theodoreharvey4814 yes, animal farm. history is going to repeat itself isn't it?

@TheGhostOfFredZeppelin 2 жыл бұрын

Whenever they say it's "for the greater good" you absolutely need to be skeptical. Nothing good has ever come from that sort of reasoning.

@allieante503 2 жыл бұрын

"You're giving away something that you don't know what it can do." *gulps*

@VolkColopatrion 2 жыл бұрын

We give away what is precious and we give it away without a fight

@michalsniadala1667 11 ай бұрын

21:16 noce use of different audio clips to say something

@McCarthyMomEater 9 ай бұрын

What a video. I was so confused why there was a shot edited in of him holding a camera pointed at the verogen guy early in the video. It made a lot more sense by the end of the video. 😂😂

@GryphonBrokewing 2 жыл бұрын

"Gattaca" is a nice reference when it comes to these sorts of things. Liked that thumbnail. Yes, certainly a powerful tool for catching criminals. Also powerful for abuse.

@AdumbroDeus 2 жыл бұрын

And the killer they talk about was an officer.

@scienceinc.9453 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly ;)

@hwykng82 2 жыл бұрын

we watched that in my science class at school back in the 90s

@liptoncheetos 2 жыл бұрын

@@hwykng82 we watched it in my high school bio class in 2018.

@dhoyda 2 жыл бұрын

If a person (or group) possesses the level of understanding necessary as well as the level of general intelligence needed to "abuse" this data for something malicious, then they probably can do many other terrible things without needing DNA to accomplish their goal.

@UselessDuckCompany 2 жыл бұрын

This is scary stuff. What is used today for violent crime can be abused by those in power against those who threaten that power. That DuckDuckGo part was the loudest part of this video.

@17hmr243 2 жыл бұрын

to late every c19 test u wait for. was ur consent to dna and ur name

@BernhardKohli 2 жыл бұрын

Scary? This is the best way to prevent violent crime. you can regulate against potential data abuses but not against violent crime

@Tony-il8ly 2 жыл бұрын

@@BernhardKohli just wait till patriot act #2 comes out allowing the government to use this to "search for terrorists"

@ripno2672 2 жыл бұрын

@@Tony-il8ly I think the US government might consider doing this, and considering how much power most people would give a responsible government, our (irresponsible) government really shouldn't be allowed to do a lot of what it does.

@__Mr.White__ 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. And why are they storing 2 million samples? Weren't they already evaluated? Why keep them? 18:16

@McBeth62 Жыл бұрын

I noticed you didn't mention the Parabon Company and it's work and contributions. Any reason why?

@Streetlight37 Ай бұрын

You can really tell how excited she is and how much she loves her job

@peterpike 2 жыл бұрын

The problem with technology that strips away privacy has never been about catching criminals. No one is concerned that murderers get captured because of it. The problem is that that's NEVER the end result of what it's used for, merely the excuse given to justify the eventual overreach. And once given up, it's impossible to get back.

@cheesecakedoublepeanutbutt6511 2 жыл бұрын

People in power using safety as an excuse to invade people's privacy more and more, and most people are like "oh yeah, get the bad dudes, sounds good." and did not think deeper into what all those is about--it's always about control and power. Sure more criminal can be caught this way, but at the same time it is just laughable to believe such system will not be abused. Sure Apple will scan your phone for child abuse photos, but it'll never try to figure out your preferences on products and sell your data to Ad agencies, and/or try to figure out your political opinions and give that info to FBI. --it sounds ridiculous when I say it out loud, but unfortunately most people won't give a second thought on that otherwise.

@piratatazmania 2 жыл бұрын

I sort of agree with your point, but also the reality is that people have used the exact same arguments against seatbelts! And in today's case, against masks and vaccines.

@savagebuck 2 жыл бұрын

Just imagine how a totalitarian state could use these against dissidents.

@chaosjoerg9811 2 жыл бұрын

@@piratatazmania You're conflating very different scenarios. Privacy protection is about others not being able to harass, blackmail or even murder you through the information they gained because it was available to them. More specifically corrupt cops and politicians don't get even more power. It is not about freedom of choice to do whatever you want. In the EU there is a debate going on to not view personal information like a personal posession but rather to treat it legally more like an assault on the body. The argument for the seat belt is mostly self protection, which is a very poor argument. But it is still weaker than the argument for protection of privacy. For vaccination is argued with herd immunity. That is a strong argument. Because the vaccination makes you sick, its justification to force it also needs to be strong. All these three topics follow completely different argumentative angles and have very different justifications.

@monhi64 2 жыл бұрын

Give me one example of lost privacy that isn’t either to sell you something, advance research or for a crime. Why are y’all so suspect, nothing is going to change we lost privacy 40 years ago and that is a drop in the metaphorical ocean of our current problems today. I’ll never understand why people obsess about that bring up the fictional 1984 while ignoring literally everything else.

@Sleepygrinder 2 жыл бұрын

This is incredibly troubling. Privacy is so misunderstood, people think : "I've done nothing wrong, this doesn't apply to me, they can use my information." But it's not about you, it never was. It's about those who have access to it, what they can do with it, and what they could become in the future. And it's that last point that's critical. There's no way to know if and when your own government can take a turn for the worse. It's happened countless times throughout history and it's happening right now in several countries like China, Russia, Belarus, Afghanistan, to name a few. With such a tool to their arsenal, a government can dictate what is right or wrong and have the means to have absolute control. "It doesn't apply to me" you say? Think again.

@ashtar3876 2 жыл бұрын

That's the thing. This would only work if the government had the exact same opinions and morals as you do, which often they won't.

@monhi64 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah you guys have been saying that this is gonna happen since the 1970s when we really started to lose privacy. Privacy is never gonna exist it’s a utopian idea in any advanced society.

@JosephHenryDrawing 2 жыл бұрын

this is so true, thanks for saying that!

@hi__im_zack4890 2 жыл бұрын

In this case, the government doesn't even own the data, but your argument still applies. What if the corporations realized they could make more profit selling your data (I don't know what the terms of services are, but that has never stopped big corporations before). They could sell your DNA to health insurance companies to prevent you from getting coverage. They could sell your data to employers. I heard of a case where companies took life insurance policies out on their "at-risk" employees to make a profit without telling them. When the employee dies, none of the life insurance money made its way to the families. This is far from the only bad thing corporations have done and could do with this data that people are willingly giving them. This isn't to say that the government can't get access to the data. What if one day the government decided to cease the data from the DNA companies, or the companies decided to give your data to the government, as was mentioned in the video.

@furb246 2 жыл бұрын

What can they do with your information that they can't do without it? Think about it. Do you think the government not knowing that you prefer apple pie over cherry pie will stop them from arresting you on trumped up charges if that's what they want to do? If they ALREADY have evil intent, they don't need any more information about you to act on that intent. Cops are killing people in the street for no reason, right now, today, and y'all think they need to know your DNA sequence to oppress you?

@JosephH 7 күн бұрын

So cool to see Pam got a new job after the office!

@jrichardj09 11 ай бұрын

You mention at 11:25 that law enforcement is not allowed to search the database of 23andme and ancestry, but a quick search of both of their transparency reports show that law enforcement have been given access to data, with a warrant

@RatedVideos 2 жыл бұрын

At the end of it all, somehow, someone, whether it’s a government, company or person - this will be a abused. The war on data in these ages is far from the interest of peoples privacy. The possibilities of abuse on how it could be turned against you gives me nightmares.

@pluto8404 2 жыл бұрын

2nd ammendment coupled with a strong sense of community is what we need. The government elitists have been trying to destabilize the communities by getting police to kill minorities so they inevitably can strip our guns and the rest of our rights. They have also abused executive power during the "public health emergency" to imprison us in quarantines, next they will say guns are public health crisis to take your right to self defense from the tyrannical crooks.

@archiemisc 2 жыл бұрын

@@pluto8404 You're delusional if you think your guns will protect you from the world's most advanced military.

@deanc91 2 жыл бұрын

@@archiemisc Haha afghanistan

@Miguel.L 2 жыл бұрын

@@pluto8404 Matthew 26:51, 52 says: 51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest’s, and smote off his ear. 52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

@deanc91 2 жыл бұрын

@@Miguel.L "Totally fine." Yet once they have their hands on a good emergency (really not that big of a deal) and they impose the most draconian laws they can think. Australia has gone full authoritarian and the people are revolting. Similarly France. Canada has a state run media now and are using it to impose all kinds of draconian restrictions as well. Many from these countries are seeking to flee to the US and are now dropping the warning why the 2nd amendment is so important. Jan 6th was a big nothing burger. A bunch of unarmed people wandered into the capitol building (something that seems to happen every year) but gets politicized to be some sort of insanely violent insurrection that could have resulted in the destruction of the US. It's absolutely ridiculous. After half a year of national investigations, they still cannot find a single person to charge with insurrection, just misdemeanor trespass.

@runawaydp 2 жыл бұрын

Imagine being so worried about privacy that you won't use Google but you work at a DNA sequencing company 😂😂😂

@pvic6959 2 жыл бұрын

lol and I personally know how much restriction google has. ESPECIALLY in the health world and health data

@HesderOleh 2 жыл бұрын

Most people who work with private data are extra paranoid about their data. It makes perfect sense.

@pvic6959 2 жыл бұрын

@@HesderOleh I work with private data and all that ive seen is how much care is taken to keep that data private. the system my team has built has millions of people going through it every day. you cant identify even one of them. they are all anonymized in fact, its soo anonymized that I had a problem once and I couldnt debug it because I couldnt trace it since the id number would change multiple times to keep you from knowing whos info is what tldr: im less paranoid because I have seen how it is and how many laws and regulations there are. That said, everyone has the right to be as careful as they please

@HesderOleh 2 жыл бұрын

@@pvic6959 I know how well data was protected at places I have worked at, but I also follow the news about data analysis, and I know that not everybody does a good job at anonymizing data and there are many cases of researchers deanonymizing data. I know that in the current irritation of the Australian digital health record there is no tracking of who is accessing your record besides that it is being accessed in a hospital system. I don't care personally because i am open about my health issues and an not famous, but it is a real problem.

@pvic6959 2 жыл бұрын

@@HesderOleh yeah thats true. my employer is an international company. it has many many eyes on them so it better do a good job lol. but you're right. not everyone will do a good job and thats not great. I totally agree. us normal every day people will rarely be a real target. no one is actively trying to get MY info. im a useless nobody. Now if I was a big CEO, a country leader, a well known actor, etc then I would be wayyyy more careful because people my want to get my stuff

@philipbuckley759 2 ай бұрын

DeAngelo became the first public arrest obtained through genetic genealogy, a new technique that takes the DNA of an unknown suspect left behind at a crime scene and identifies him or her by tracing a family tree through his or her family members, who voluntarily submit their DNA to public genealogy databases.

@kcsvantasticvoyages9729 8 ай бұрын

Glad that DNA is going to catch a lot of these murderers!

@Simrasil_ 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not a big fan of private organizations having a catalog of personal information that they can use to identify and track people without their consent. The anecdotal success of "hey we caught this one really bad guy" does not justify the violation of privacy of literally everyone else imo..

@themonsterunderyourbed9408 2 жыл бұрын

You are 100% correct.

@newfiejiggs 2 жыл бұрын

@King Pistachion doesn't mean we should just give up the rest of our privacy. I can turn off my phone, i cant change my DNA

@malbacato91 2 жыл бұрын

@@newfiejiggs I can turn off my phone, and I can jump of a cliff. neither of them I want to, but on different scales

@koho 2 жыл бұрын

It's not your personal information. You share it with relatives, and you don't control what they do. That genetic interconnectedness is what makes it a tricky privacy issue.

@oksowhat 2 жыл бұрын

what are you saying, they will have like a thousand page terms and condition, and in one like they will put that they are free to sell your dna data to advertisers, privacy is a myth my friend, moreover i belive at one point there will be enough data that the agency will only contact the criminal not the person whose dna was matched since they can make the family tree without contacting that guy, so you will never know so no worries

@Junon15 2 жыл бұрын

As a Doctor doing residency training in genetics, the questions about consent for when a family member gets tested for disease risk, and how safe we are from discrimination in health insurance and healthcare are some of the questions that keep me up at night. Thanks for putting together such an incredible video on three topic!

@emko333 2 жыл бұрын

it really shouldn't, is this a American thing? no government refuses healthcare

@eliteempireproductions4320 2 жыл бұрын

My DNA is most definitely in a data base how do you trace it back to Africa

@michelleyb.9709 2 жыл бұрын

@@eliteempireproductions4320 why stop there? DNA should be able to trace human evolution back to our emergence from the ocean

@acctsys 2 жыл бұрын

Free market and law enforcement on privacy and fraud can keep it together. My thinking goes there are a lot of things to help yourself be healthy. If you do those, it should help you financially as well. If others waste their health, let them bear their burden. Charity is the reasonable plug to the gap.

@guminb6216 2 жыл бұрын

@@acctsys You may take care of yourself but there are also genetic predispositions. No all is up to your control...

@valeriewarkins3704 2 ай бұрын

Theres also a use case for large-scale genomic analysis to study diseases. Having a public database with some basic demographic data attached could be really huge for public health and safety.

@Asd-tk2if Ай бұрын

Not for safety. Most likely not for health either.

@OR-hl5lc 7 ай бұрын

The cop on the right reminds me so much of that Rockstar FBI dude from Dexter. The one who was hunting the Trinity Killer, can't remember his name. I wonder if he was the inspiration in a way.

@jemangerrit1747 2 жыл бұрын

I live in the netherlands. The Netherlands used to have a very good and detailed record of everyones information and bloodlines in the 20th century. Very well organized and all in one place. When it became clear that the Netherlands would be occupied by nazi Germany somoene tried to burn down this archieve but sadly the fire didnt destroy that much. The Nazis used this archieve to very affectivly identify everyone that was jewish in some way (including Anne Frank ofcourse), sometimes people that didnt even know jewish was in their blood line. This is what frankly irritates me about this video. The guy says its a mother vs somoene whos just umcomfortable. Its not, its a mother finding her child vs organized genocide. Morally it doenst matter that much what its used for now, what matters is how incredibly easy it would be for an evil government to use it for true horror. You cannot account for the government of the future

@harrison805 2 жыл бұрын

It seems that people are now so comfortable with giving up their rights without ever thinking of the potential consequences. It was only ten years ago when people were outraged about the Snowden revelations, but nobody seems to care now.

@zacharyjordan399 2 жыл бұрын

This is an excellent point, thank you for sharing.

@MarcSpctr 2 жыл бұрын

just a quote from Capt. America "THESE ORGANISATIONS ARE RUN BY PEOPLE WITH AGENDAS AND AGENDAS CHANGE."

@Rimpelmans 2 жыл бұрын

If such a filesystem was as evil as it is claimed here, surely modern goverments wouldn't implement one after WW2 right? Yet with modern databases it is now much easier to search for someones ancestry than it was in the 1940s, even with the Dutch filing system. I can't help but wonder if most people protesting on grounds of privacy are actually more protesting because DNA is relatively new than because of anything else. For instance, if you are really worried about your privacy you should definitely not use a mobile phone but I don't think many people seem to appreciate that or maybe they just don't care as much about privacy as you'd think.

@fishlordusername891 2 жыл бұрын

@@Rimpelmans personally it's a complicated situation, because mobile phones are becoming more and more necessary over time as well - it's a point of contact when you're looking for work, it's a way to access the news, it's often the most convinient way of gaining information, communicating with others, sometimes even get work done. As the internet becomes more important, so does the mobile phone. But as the internet becomes more commercialized, a lot more data and privacy is given away as well, and while you can definitely use a special adblock to get rid of some of it, it's impossible not to get tracked completely. A lot of people DO worry about the internet, phones, and the way all that affects privacy, and not taking your phones to protests is something that I've seen talked about a lot during the summer. I feel like you're also putting too much faith into the government. A government is inherently neutral, and it's going to do what benefits it most - whatever that may mean. DNA databases do, legitimately, help solve crimes - so it's easy to just say "well, WE'RE not evil, so we should get to use it". It is a risk that they're willing to take, because in their minds, the present good it gives outweighs the potential future risk. That doesn't necessarily mean that risk doesn't exist though. I don't think we should be deciding "it's not risky" just because it's what we're currently doing.

@yangvolcanos 2 жыл бұрын

as a kid i always thought the government had a data base of everyone's DNA sequence with names and family tree attached for crime investigation purposes

@shadowninja6689 2 жыл бұрын

When I was a kid the government was spending billions of dollars mapping out all the different human genes. We've come a long way since then.

@bruhbrooo6428 2 жыл бұрын

Couple years early bud wait another couple

@ANDYTAKANYAN96 2 жыл бұрын

If I recall correctly, Japan sort of has a form of that. They track the names of everybody who is related in some giant national family tree. Their nation's government is more centralized compared to the United States though I'm sure we'll eventually have a system in place too (for better and worse). I thought that too, like our society would be more advanced than it actually is. -How I idealized it rather than the actuality.

@mj6463 2 жыл бұрын

@@ANDYTAKANYAN96 Japan by the way, has a 99% conviction rate. If you are accused of a crime you almost certainly get convicted, the idea of wrongful conviction is not a powerful force in Japan. I think that has great relevance to this discussion about privacy and trusting the fed with this power.

@user-zs2jh8ym9j 2 жыл бұрын

I've been told that all the swabs used to get mucus samples for Covid testing are sent to Israel for DNA sequencing so they effectively have a full DNA sequence of everyone who's every had a Covid test.

@RFGSwiss Жыл бұрын

that ending with the searchengine takes the cake!

@michaelinglis567 6 ай бұрын

Statistically you'd think there must be at least one or more serial killers who saw this video and are sweating it out wondering if something they did 30 years ago is about to catch up with them. Crazy to think about.