U forgot that its also in a pay Wall both swsh and sv

I could have sworn there was a move called counter… i think it should really make a comeback to survive this…

Off topic but I think unseen fist should be change to have a 50% chance to hit throw protect and if it dose it will do a quarter or half the damage.

If I was a game freak dev, I’d make a move called “slip” it’d be a ghost type move that would make all moves have a 75% chance to miss, except for OHKO moves, where doubles the accuracy on them landing when used.

So. Could sableye be a strong counter to tornatist? Because from what it looks like, there kit is EXTREMELY versatile. Especially the fact it's a dark type with prankster and taunt. Or if your a clown disable or switcheroo. Prankster disable is really funny what can I say. I know they won't disable the Kung fu bear but they so have a fairly deadly kit of strong support and control moves. Hell it even has quash, which isn't amazing but still really strong. Yes grimsnarl also has a good kit and is dark type, but doesn't have immunity to fake out.

If Gen 10 removes terastalization, they can just bring back Shedinja :P

@@chosone2shedninja is weak to urshifu dark

Crits ignore abilities I think Edit: Okay they *definitely* don't that's one hell of a comment chain on my stupidity!

@@Fritz_Haarmann you think wrong

@@Fritz_Haarmann where’d you get that idea from 💀

He goes through the screen protector :(

It goes through protection too 💀

@C0NSuWuMa It’s so annoying when it does that! This the third time this week!

OH NO! HE'S GOTTEN IN MY PANTRY! OH SWEET ARCEUS HE'S WICKED BLOWING ALL THE HONEY POTS!

I got punched by urshifu through the screen and I'm currently in the hospital now

This comment cracked me up 😂

wait so when you tryna rank in on9 battle we can't take it seriously?

Monopoly with Real Money

How the holy fuck do you have 6M sub im 99.99% sure you bought thr channel or subs are bots

well, if there was real money involved in monopoly i'm sure they all would play like this...

It could also lead to an interesting buff for the ability Keen Eye, which allows the user to bypass detect. Since a lot of the zero miss moves are terrible.

this is an awesome idea

thats a fire buff, i love that

Urshifu learns Detect T.T

I like This. And would be an interesting counter to high damage moves like high jump kick

i thought it was my own fist from the pain of meeting kungfu panda, but yes i like this better

It hits through SCREENS?!!! Jesus Christ this makes so much sense

Honestly urshifu is waaaaay more managable now than it was at the start

Unseen Fist needs giving the Gale Wings treatment

@@michaeltrinidad5825 Technically not Unseen Fist itself but their signature move Surging Strike/Wicked Blow has a 100% crit rate and crits bypass screens and def boosts/ atk drops. Honestly if Protect at least reduced the damage taken to 50% or less then Unseen Fist would be less stupid.

I just checked, they got rid of it in the 8th gen... I wonder why would they do that so cassually right before releasing a 30USD pokemon that always crit through protect...

​@francotrevino8755 you say that as though they didn't get rid of like 78 other moves

​@@chitorunyadoesnt really change the fact that they did remove the move...

@@chitorunya I know, I just wouldn't put it past them to do some shit like that on purpose

@@chitorunyathey got rid of moves that are either Pursuit and HP, or just generally not used at all, why animate something that’s not gonna be used in any situation, and also are Z-Moves, self explanatory

Dinamic punch be like

I kinda wish they kept that it's hysterical

In doubles maybe but in singles it's still as broken, you protect and take less damage; leftovers wont be close to enough to help you live next turn when you can't protect

@@DIRTkat_ofcwho the hell runs protect in singles other than big stall

I’d also would think nerfing Surging strikes and Wicked blow would also be a good idea. Being able to ignore any stat detriments and deal 50% more because of the guaranteed crit plus unseen Fist is just way to much all at once. Add in making Unseen fist not ignore the secondary effects of the special protects like kings shield and Burning balwark would also help make Urshifu not the end all be all options. Also making unique sprites for each form, like there unique sprites for damn near every different form there’s no excuse as to why Urshifu just used the same sprites despite both forms looking different

​@@leftistdegeneratejsGliscor comes to mind right off the bat. The move isn't anywhere near as powerful as it is in doubles but it's still a good option for scouting and gaining lefties

@@leftistdegeneratejs a lot of things, mainly mons that need at least one turn for item or ability; like gliscor, ursaluna, blaziken, a lot of support mons as well like wish passing mons, dunno; a lot of things really

Yeah but make it either 1 to 1 recoil damage then or make each of the Hits drop Urshifuu's attack

@@frankcaggiano8282that wouldn’t matter since their moves crit, I think recoil would be a better option

i just use weezing and cna protect again

I like the idea of the move coming at a life orb cost

@@frankcaggiano8282that still wouldn’t work tho cuz it’s signature moves always crit

Meanwhile Choice Band Flower Trick:

@@MorrisPXG Meanwhile Close Combat in Tailwind.

​@@Endershock1678Who tf is using Tailwind in singles?

​@@LittleBigPlanetianthis is a doubles format (iron hands isn't relevant in singles)

@@LittleBigPlanetian Who tf is using Meowscarada in Ubers?

Don´t crits also ignore burn halving the physical damage?

@@user-qg7jb7gj1z Nope. Burns don’t reduce stats, but instead the the base power of physical moves, so crit doesn’t fix it.

burn used to half the stat but it was fairly recently changed to hit the base power of the move and leave the stat unchanged

And Wo Chien

@@rpgkingx3629 And also Friend Guard. But Tablets of Ruin and Friend Guard are pretty meager damage reduction tools in practice (though quite potent on paper).

Golden State Warriors / Dame Lillard's effect on the NBA is a great example. Fundamentals are dope and so is dunking, but 3 > 2.

I think Shedinja is is the perfect example of the prices you should pay for cheating base systems.

​@@hamdepaf6686Totally agree. Wonder Guard is a fantastic ability but it's on a Pokemon that has 1 HP, meaning it dies to any hazard without precautions like Saftey Goggles or Heavy Duty Boots. Not to mention Bug/Ghost isn't the pinnacle of defensive typing. As a comparison to what Urshifu is doing, say Wonder Guard was given to a Pokemon with minimal weaknesses powerful tools, and a real HP stat. Mold Breaker basically becomes a necessity.

It's feels like having a legendary pokemon catch rally with your friends to see who catch legendary pokemon faster but you have master ball in hands.

@@castform7 Imagine if Mold Breaker let you click Protect against Urshifu. Fire Ogerpon suddenly shoots up in use despite having an unfavorable type matchup.

maybe a strategy with trick/switcheroo could work

Could they do a similar thing as they did with Intrepid Sword/ Dauntless Shield and Protein type abilities where Unseen Fist only hits through Protect for the first move used while Urshifu is out, maybe resetting after switching out like Protein? It could help Urshifu become more predictable and awkward to use since it'd need to be switched around which could mess with positioning. I'm not a competitive player so idk how effective a change like this would be.

@@jaccob7119 the most proposed change for the ability is hitting through protecting moves every time & have a damage reduction similar to Z-moves & Dmax attacks but your idea could also work.

Honestly, the lack of balance patches keeps me from playing most rule sets. Any pokemon over 20% usage should be investigated. VGC frequently has pokemons over 50% usage.

I severely doubt it, it was busted in gen 8 and it continued being busted in gen 9. it'll then remain busted to continue acting as an unsubtle nudge to go "hey, buy that other game and dlc to compete" That and gamefreak has historically done the bare minimum in regards to caring about balance in general only occasionally doing quick bandaid solutions or the one time they did extremely minor stat buffs to weak mons that would remain still just as weak(well ok nidoking appreciated the little boost but it was already fairly ok) after. heck vgc only officially exists because it's a minimal effort format to maintain with a ruleset based primarily on getting a bunch of nerds in and out of the venue as quickly as possible above all else.

​@@FlavioVSLeal Well the game wasn't exactly designed for balance or competitive... It's a kids game.

So true😭😭😭😭😭😭

It's really disturbing that the only 100% counter to Urshifu is Speed-Booster Flutter Mane. You know, broken thing #2.

​@@bluebaron6811I found that part funny the best counters are flutter broken and iron hands

​@@bluebaron6811then it Tera Poison to resist fairy and fight

@@bluebaron6811 The thing is that isn’t even a good counter lol. Urshifu always Tera’s and Flutter Mane can’t OHKO Urshifu without an attack boost, while Urshifu has no issue destroying Flutter Mane. It should also be added that rain boosted Tera water aqua jet will OHKO Flutter Mane. The only Flutter Mane that reliably beat Urshifu are the Tera grass version, but Tera Grass energy ball actually doesn’t OHKO most Urshifu without specs.

It's still popular in OU nowadays, and even though protect isn't as common in 6v6 formats, he's still going to be hard to stop. Sleep just got banned lel.

@@GreyPunkWolf pretty sure he's banned in current gen OU, it's too messed up with tera

I can’t imagine either doing well in Ubers with Flutter Mane and Miraidon running around.

@alexandrelima2766 Oh. Didn't know that, I just play vgc now.

he hates on certain pokémon but not using them is a self made resitriction that makes the game unfavourable by your own design. See: Incineroar lol

He's proving his own point lol You either let Urshifu steamroll you, or you bring your own Urshifu and hope to steamroll them first.

Do you remember what the ad was for?

@@SirHugsalot13th The NFL kickoff or something along those lines

Fairy Type needs another weakness of some sort. I suggest Fire. Because KILL IT WITH FIRE.

​@@RRed19 Or also psychic An intelligent mind doesn't beliebe in folk stories like fairies. Or exorcism, that works too.

​@@MirawaruWhy not Bug? The relationship where Fairy resists bug never made that much sense and the idea of a fairy getting caught in a spider web has become very popular, it would nicely buff one of the worst types in the game too

@@baxterbruce9827 Cuz it isny favourite type alongside poison lol I am not that deep

@@Mirawaru Psychic could really use the boost. Well I guess bug could too, but even making fairies weak to bug probably wouldn't make people use bugs more, it would only make incin use u-turn over parting shot more often.

That and it’s stats and typing aren’t quite broken enough for doubles, even if it wasn’t already banned due to being a mythical

Feint was also a thing.

and unlike Urshifu, one Knock Off (Bound form) and one U-Turn (Unbound form) is gonna send Hoopa to the cemetery

​@@jotarokujo3603 And Shadow Force.

it had two of the worst weaknesses in competitive tho: bad speed and shit defensive typing

(this is not the correct terminology)

Well i think urshifu is the biggst format wrapper in all of vgc even if you include restricted pokemon. Excepy Maybe mega rayguaza who got mega evo without using mega stone.

For those unfamiliar with why exactly Gholdengo is an issue in Singles, switching is much more common in those formats than in VGC, being the most reliable defensive maneuver in the format for a large variety of reasons. This in turn makes entry hazards much more useful than in Doubles, to the point that being weak to Stealth Rock alone can be a massive blow to a Pokemon's viability, and that those that can remove hazards effectively are an entire highly valuable role of their own. However, there are only five moves at the moment that can actually remove hazards from the field, and three of them (the widespread Defog and Rapid Spin, and Glimmora's signature Mortal Spin) are programmed in such a way that the user must hit the other Pokemon with the move for the effect to take place (in the Spins case it's programmed as a secondary effect, but I honestly have no idea how or why Defog works that way). Gholdengo is a Steel/Ghost type, which renders it immune to both Rapid and Mortal Spin, and it has the ability Good as Gold, which protects it from ALL status moves, including Defog. This means that for as long as it's on the field and doesn't choose to Tera into a different type, the only Pokemon that can remove hazards at all are: Mold Breaker Hawlucha, Neutralizing Gas Galarian Weezing, Court Change Cinderace, and three Raticate-tier Normal types with Tidy Up.

Well that proves his point.

for me, running weezing is like a given to get rid of all these ability spammers

I'm a wheeezing fan boi as well ✌️❤️

Yeah it’s like, you’d probably wanna bring amoonguss or Rillaboom or iron hands anyway, so it just further centralizes the meta as those mons also enjoy urshifu being in the match.

Cuz he’s ugly

Because it is ugly and weak, yeah !!! thats what you get 🫵🫵🫵🫵😂😂😂😂

Justice for the spider man!

I don't know why he didn't remember it, as Silk Trap is the best iteration of protect (even better than Spiky Shield and the recently added Burning Bulwark). I run it on my Smeargle so sometimes it helps me outspeed and go for a Spore🤣

Its meta defining in our hearts

@@IschmarVI it's all the buzzy buzz.

É meu Pokemon favorito da Gen 5-9, então tenho sentimentos conflitantes sobre isso tbm kkkk

you can have fun in lower elos, it's peoples ego's that are the problem, you can't be the best and not abuse the meta, and every competitive game has a meta...

Not really, whoever is covering for Weezing usually ends up getting smacked to oblivion regardless.

@@cadetjones9205 it does threaten a burn with will o though so that's something atleast

i am currently leading fluttermane weezing or iron hands weezing against urshifus great effect. so for me, yes (Masterball rank 5k)

I just thought it was a jab a Smogon University/Pokémon Showdown, given the name origin of Smogon.

Then you are playing a very dangerous game of "should i bring the weezing" against urshifu teams. If they didnt bring their urshifu, weezing's pretty fucked.

Great to see someone else caught it!

You just have to believe strongly enough, then it eventually will!

They are, actually. That's why Hisuian Goodra got usage early on in Regulation D. It's just that Hisuian Goodra has a bunch of other problems.

@@haydeniskander5306 No, I mean it would deal no damage at all. Like with Gastrodon's Storm Drain.

​@@manguy01 Oh, I see. Yeah, I've actually thought about this. Making them immune to moves with inherent enhanced critical-hit properties. Not just auto-crits like Surging Strikes or Wicked Blow, but also moves like Ivy Cudgel, Aqua Cutter, Leaf Blade, Air Cutter, etc.

@@haydeniskander5306Whatever you say, dude ; )

How bout using sunny day? Does that lower its attack even if it's a crit?

its that one admin that bans everyone they don't like and doesn't get punished for it because they own the server.

Can't really compare being banned to ubers in smogon singles to being overpowered in vgc, as there other pokemon banned to ubers that aren't banned (some even not used) in vgc.

not banned in natdex ou. the power level is similar and at least one ursifu form would be acceptable. surging strikes.

@@getmilked6216 single Strike still got banned, and Rapid Strike didn't only because in singles there is a lot more good defensive counterplay to it's broken antics. Stuff Like Toxapex ain't eating in doubles, but in singles Urshifu just oftentimes gets hard walled and Has to run away

@@tkc5980What are you on? Rapid Strike was banned months ago

@@paperwaves6111 depends on the meta, I am primarily a Nat Dex Player, and there Single Strike is banned but Rapid is not. That is the beauty of Smogon, you have different formats with different things being legal. Nat Dex OU was my frame of reference here, and it made for a much better example in this case.

The first 9 months (regulations a-c) were totally fine. It was only after Urshifu was allowed back in with regulation D that it caused a problem.

Yea i noticed day one after the dlc that urshifu was BUSTED

The addition of Incineroar, Rillaboom, Urhsifu has made the game so boring for me now

I mean, smogon is always an option if you don't Like what is happening in VGC. Heck, smogon Has it's own doubles format too if you only like double battles.

You have months to play without urshifu

The entire top 20 players has both Urshifu and Flutter on their team. It's so wack

@@jarmsfirstclaw Flutter Mane is a bit of a weird case though, because it’s less of a “this Pokémon destroys everyone”, and more of a “this Pokémon helps my team destroy everyone”. One team that’s always popular is the balance core of fire water grass, but that core gets blocked by dragon types. As such, you need a Pokémon that can reliably deal with those. The answer is usually Flutter Mane or Chien Pao, hence why at least one of those two are always in the team. I remember in one tournament, every single team in Top 8 carried Flutter Mane, but it didn’t appear on stream even once, because they would always just bring their balance core and then either Tornadus, iron hands, or Chien Pao.

@@Endershock1678 yeah I couldn’t have said it better, coming up against flutter unprepared can be scary but even then can be outplayed, but even if you’re 100% prepared to face urshi, you can still be absolutely steam rolled by even and unskilled player

fluttermane really is the appropriate/inappropriate meme, i love fluttermane desipite it being absolutely everywhere and on nearly every team, but i hate urshifu

@@tylerjackson25 It's because when building a team, you should naturally be using pokemon that beat Flutter Mane anyways. Rillaboom, Amoongus, Iron Hands, Arcanine, Urshifu (after Tera), Ogerpon, Chein Pao, Kingambit, and so many other pokemon beat Flutter Mane 1v1. I adjust EV's for Flutter, but I've never once built a team and had to think about having multiple Flutter Mane counters because so many good pokemon beat Flutter, whereas Urshifu is on the forefront of my mind when making every team.

I was also considering a return of Jellicent to combat Urshifu Rapid Strike. Sadly, a Jellicent built to counter Rapid Strike Urshifu is especially vulnerable to the Single Strike form.

Nah, we got thunder lizard now.

One Banded Thunder Punch and that thing is dead. Jellicent has literally no physical defense like at all. Countering Ursh based on its water typing is not the answer.

Well I think jellicent would have potential~ Water absorb and ghost typing make it immune to both rapid strike stabs, and it would resist U-turn. It could also run fairy tera to resist both of single strikes stabs. But it wouldn't be a hard solution/counter probably, just an interesting check

Okay I’m not the only one who realized that one.

The memories

@@ironuge1933 easily could have used the Ventus themes

Came here to type this exact same thing

I agree. Removing legendaries from competitive would also alleviate the issue of having version exclusives that you can only get one of per save file I feel like it should be limited to pokemon that you can always get more of through breeding or catching

So you want a Smogon OU kinda format? I don't pokemon company will ever do it properly

@@mattmanncan I dont want anything. I just think that early formats where there aren't all the legendaries are infinitely more fun to watch and play. Even better when there's none of them.

If you remove the strongest thing, the second strongest thing will become the new strongest thing. Banning legendary pokemon changes nothing. Especially not in the current generations where there are so many different legendaries that you get to choose from a wide variety of great legendary and non-legendary pokemon. Urshifu on the other hand ....

Tbf mega raquaza wasnt even that oppressing in vgc somehow, just singles

GF did nerf Zacian and the ‎Transistor ability in SV.

i feel like bypassing protect isn't really a cool gimmick to casual players, because as wolfey said, protect nearly never comes up in a casual playthrough. urshifu might just be a fuck you to the competitive scene or some kind of twisted test how much vgc players are willing to mentally endure to get that champion bag

@@keysmash_roa Made urshifu to force comp players to pay 30 dollars to have a chance

At the very least they're aware that they need to fix their mistakes... Just.. *way* too late for it to matter much, and the fixes never really do a lot from what I remember. They nerfed Zacian, after all... But I've never been one to use it, so I don't even know how much that changed it's viability.

Lumineon is not a real pokemon lol

?​@@i_like_chomp6382

What is a Lumineon?

Ouch, y'all are mean to the butterfly fish...

​@@i_like_chomp6382What did Lumineon do to you? 😭

Nah

I wouldn't do that I rather make his ability deal 40% damage on pokemon who use protect

This. Three guaranteed crits in a row is ridiculous.

@@jhaydenjoecredo3761 that's better but the crits would make up for the loss in power.

Stamina doesn't help that much because crits ignore the opponent stat-buffs

And pretty good counter in Raging Bolt - I mean, that mon is the sole reason why TornShifu declined so much. Yeah, it has the slight problem of being version exclusive, one-per-savefile, locked behind 2 DLCs and two quests, one of which requires you to registrer 200 species in your Blueberry dex, but hey, it IS a great Urshifu counter and good mon in it´s own right, right?

@@janecklyn duraludon resists surging strikes, which is the move that always crits that said, it is weak to close combat

@@veronikamajerova4564just trade on the gts? I got like 4 the day it was available thanks to furfou trims lol

I actually quite liked it, worst you really got was the indeedee + armarouge or dondozo

@@poliorice3600 How could you forget the fissure ting-lus?

@@Warlord_Megatron Ting-Lu is a legendary...

@Warlord_Megatron well, I was mostly talking about reg A, things changed significantly with paradoxes and legends

It was a super fun meta but only lasted like 2 months before they released the paradox mons. RIP Reg A. You were the best of us and were ripped away from us far too soon 🎻

You can use oinkologne with lingering aroma 😉

​@@user-xi6ku6kp7gwhat's it's stats?

@@frankcaggiano8282I guess we won’t, what was the point in this comment?

right now i am just spamming weezing against it to great effect.

@@PixelsPendingor have a serperior Apparently not a lot of urshifu don’t run defensive Tera

The only nerf that makes sense is nerfing the damage by 25% when he hits through it But every gen they add more busted pokemon its best to leave it as it is

It would have been pretty funny if Urshifu was just a Kubfu holding one of the two scroll items...

​@@ReidnReactnthis would work too. Would function like dynmax hitting through protect basically