i hope u make another video about how to actually use the threat system in this game u only explained what increased threat means in the skill description and top of the threat list which i call threat steal u forgot to explain the threat bar itself and how ot use it - the threat bubble also healing increases threat too 4 colors - green, yellow, brown, and red green - less or no threat enemies wont atk ull still die from cc dmg yellow - imminent threat swift i high dmg is dealt brown - critical threat duration of 1-2sec for tanks to use threat steal to reduce may be the 10% threat from others red - enemies focus on u during fights dps will keep attacking as soon as skill come out of cool down so tank should dash or rush towards mob and use threat at-will or any dmg skill dps will overtake threat dmg so tank use threat steal to keep agro on paladin i use relentless avenger to dash to mobs the use oath strike with sacred weapon and unique to paladins use smite with divine challenger feature to steal threat keep attention to mobs and the threat bar of others when ever top dps get to yellow look wait for it to turn brown and hit threat steal thats how i keep agro on all 3 tanks paladin can easily keep threat since smite can be use 5 times before divinity depletes completely barb has 2 threat steal skill with 13s and 15s cd fighter also has 2 threat steal with 11s and 13s cd so if dps knows about this cd and threat generation system they make a very good team i hope u make a video about healers too especially warlock cause they have the highest heal rate but only at 15-30 radius while others have 60

Thank you for this! I'm a cleric main these days (used to be rogue, but my alliance needed healers and I really enjoy support!). Trying to invest more in my paladin tank and having lots of fun! This helps a lot!

Aragon, thanks so much for explaining how this all works. I've been running my paladin almost exclusively as a solo player, so I'm a bit challenged when I'm asked to help out a party as a tank. This video really helps. If I recall correctly, you did an earlier video explaining the best boons and such to use, so I'll go through your past uploads to see if I can find it. Regarding magnitude: I think whoever decided to use the term for Neverwinter was confused. I've found that it's best to think of the term 'Magnitude' as 'Percent.' A 100 magnitude hit equals 100% of (or 1x) your base damage. A 20 magnitude hit is 20% (0.2x) your base damage and a 500 magnitude hit is 500% (5x) your base damage. Let me know if this matches what you're seeing. :) Thanks again for the great work!

Thank You! Great video. A barb Tank video will apreciate too!! heheh

awesome informative and very useful video, really appreciate the numbers, been looking for these numbers for so long thank you for taking the time to test these threat mechanics.

This is soooo helpful thank you! Putting at top of threat list IMO should hold for at least 10-20 seconds in a battle.

Hey Aragon, Fighter tank player here. There is some secret tech for fighters where they can generate massive amount of threat and AP Gain as it is tied to threat generation for tanks, which might important to have included in this video. But for the tech: The at-will Threathing Rush has increased threat generation, with quite a bit of magnitude on it. It is already good for single target threat generation, but here is the tech, you can animation cancel it. The attack is normally quite slow (0.8 sec), but by using block tabs in between you can half that time. While also blocking some damage a few times which also generates AP. In single targets fights I can throw out dailies every 20 seconds with only a 10.5% increased ap gain. Love your vids, keep it up! Edit: Playing more around with skills and animation cancel. While spamming animation cancel for Threathing Rush I noticed I some times do also a lot of fast guarded strikes, they don't have increased threat but they do have 110 magnitude. Overal animation cancel those attacks increases attack rate by around 100% (attacking twice as fast)

thank you this helped me with my build :)

Godo job! Really helpful to see behind the math! Plus Jewel of the NOrth is out then.

Very good info. Thank you so much.

Seeing how often you pop out these vids makes one wonder if you're a man or machine?! =D Great job, now I'm even less motivated to play my pally though, he's so weak.

I don't play as a paladin, but I still learned something about tanking. Now if you could do a breakdown of the Barbarian Sentinel....

Can't say I agree with their design(slap an ass YUGE threat coeff to a weak damage skill), but it is their game, they are free to run it into the ground should they desire so. Imo, these "Increased Threat" skills should have like x2 coeff and your Tank passive should give like *10 to everything. And they should add up instead of multiplying each other(giving max x12 as opposed to x20). That way more things would be viable. Won't even comment on how stupid of a design choice these "taunts"(top of threat list) are. They should keep you at top for at least 10s. Regardless, thank you for all the hard work!

I use the new tiamat set and the artifact is awesome for threat I no longer lose threat not even in ancient black dragons with 3 tier 3 mods

You should be hired by Criptic at this point. You do so much data analysis that I believe you do more of that then they do lol.

Random guess: Maybe the multiplier from Intimidating Presence is supposed to be x5 but it accidentally replaces the Oath of Protection multiplier.

I am currently trying to work out which new helm is better for threat. manticores bite vs the new 15% threat helm vs the 10% divinity regen to spam templars wrath. I would be very interested to see if the 10% divinity regen paired with composure would be better (despite that helm being made for healers).. would be interested to see a comparison video

Hi, Thank you again for all those useful informations. I have some questions, if you have tome for some answers, i would be happy to know and grateful :) Hard taunts : Smite (with divine challenger) and vow of enmity place you on top of threat list + 10%, following your statement. - How are calculated vow of enmity and smite own basic damage in threat gain ? Do they put you on top of list +10% AND add their own damage, Or do they just put you on top of threat list + 10% regardless, ignoring their own damage ? - Something i'd like to have confirmation on : I was told vow on enmity effectively adds 10%, but smite with divine challenger only place you on top of list and adds +1 dmg ? Can you confirm or correct me on that please ? Threat from items : It appears that threat generated from items isn't affected by x5.5 threat modifier, but instead by x7 threat modifier ? Rings (with charging bull) and Mythallar (with procs) are affected by this x7 modifier according with your testings, But what about Helm passive on activation (with manticore bite) = Only 50% of max hp, or 50% of max hp x7 ? Mythallar interactions : About further interactions with powers and mythallar : - Does "binding oath" damage on hit proc it ? ...Adding to threat so - Does "aura of vengeance" damage on hit proc it ? ...Adding to threat so - Having both band of air and ring of darkness equiped, technically increase the proc chance of Mythallar ? Thanks !

Thanks man, can you tell me where is the source about the multipliers of threat and why Inscrease threat are AOE? I thought inscrease threat is just x8 and not x8 x 5.5. Help pls!

They need to bring back pally shielding

what can i do if i destroyed the mythallar set due to ignorance, can i get it somewhere else

Ty for information…all this hunting thing is making me a better tank 🤣😛

Where do you get the X8 number from? There's nothing listed anywhere that I have found that specifies this to be true or false.... So how do you now it's x8?

Not sure if you mentioned this but the threat rings only work on trash mobs not on bosses so you would typically want to use maybe something else when at bosses imo

What do you think is more efficient deflection or critical avoidance to tank the dragons

I've got 2 at will powers one is increased threat the other is your actions generate more threat can someone explain the difference to me I've not mained a tank since the mod 16 rework ruined tanking for me 😞

Very nice Aragon, maybe people will now stop 2nd guessing tanks & I got a question for ya. DPS still & will always run ahead of tanks, it'll never stop but I'm curious what you personally do to handle this?

Starting from basic concept and gameplay as a tank, implemented with number support to a pro level, eviscerating the most efficient pally powers and several resources to get the work done. 👌 Awesome display of subject knowing and a real lesson for threat mechanics (I'd like to see such a examination for the Justicar survivability after gained the big bad guy attention xD ?). My dream: is to see the same for all the classes, so we can know at best the theory of our class powers and mechanics with exact numbers, pouring out eventual bugs an weak/strong points that are not well visible/explained, to ultimately select the most useful combination to fulfill our role scientifically perfectly 🤩. Either you like or not his style and delivering, you cannot honestly deny the amount of helping work done/doing for the community by Aragon, and all thanks possibly are deserved. I'm sure everyone that has at least watched some of this tutorials, owe to Aragon something, in terms of advices, insights or simply entertainment. Utterly appreciated Sir 🙏 P.S. please spam this clinic across bullet boards of the Coast, for all new 'wannabe/must be aggro boys/girls' 🙃 we need them most and will love them more 🤗🤣

I'm unsure if I'll get an answer or if this will be seen but, since the scaling changes how do paladin justiciars perform solo damage wise? I recently got a warlock to 20 and although I enjoy it, in RPGs I've always preferred spellblade/holy types in which you can mix up a build of DPS and Tank with some support/heal abilities. I remember loving Paladin pre-scaling because it gave me that mix, but now it seems as though I have to be 100% brick wall Tank otherwise I may as well just pick a DPS orientated class. I could be completely wrong hence why I ask. Thank you in advance if you respond Aragon, I love your content even though I am very noob to this new era of Neverwinter aha

Do you know if you have manticores bite on your head piece and on a ring whether it stacks or not? Thanks

So is this 33% damage resistance enemies have an additional stat on top of their flat 50% defense? Or is this derived from their defense and reduced by something?

The pally is becoming less desired, more players are switching from pally tank to fighter tank.

Didn't oath of protection used to give us 15% more threat?

For the love of all things holy MAKE A FIGHTER Tank too!!! LOL. Still good information that I am adjusting to my tank

Thanks AraGOAT.

AHWOOOOO thanks

Op heals on the way ?

No Feats? Oh, never mind, you are adding them in the video! {:-:-:}

I'm sick of tanks running in circles and not hitting things! :D But aren't these rings really old? Like Mod 8 or something? {:-:-:}

I love your videos like this. I just wish there was a channel for Fighter Vanguard as well. {:-:-:}

So the wings don't work, well I switched to them recently and aggro is so much easier.....