How To Aim with Turkish Traditional Bow

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4 жыл бұрын

I have frequently been asked how to aim with Turkish traditional bow when shooting with thumb release. Although I have always been an intuitive/instinctive shooter I have been experimenting with some conscious aiming methods for the last few years. Here you will find possible conscious aiming methods when the string is pulled to the earlobe as mentioned in all Ottoman and many Mamluk treatises. However, there is also a method that is used with lower anchors that also existed and used in the past.

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@ArminHirmer 4 жыл бұрын

well done Murat

@UncleDanBand64 3 жыл бұрын

I agree sir!

@zoranpavlovic9540 4 жыл бұрын

A true repesenter of once almost lost and now renewed tradition. Murat, thank you for inspiration, hard work, sharing knowledge and experiences all these years that contributed to new scientific levels. Who knows how many of your ideas we unintentionally forgot as yours thinking 'we know'. Tesekkurler!

@bondye5929 4 жыл бұрын

we are pretty lucky we have him ngl

@alex.ann_der 4 жыл бұрын

I always liked archery, but since I've seen the turkish way of archery, I found out this is the archery I would love to learn. Love every way, I've seen how the bows are made and the technique employed. This is an awesome tradition. Wish I could learn after this disease is over

@TheBUTOKUKAI 11 ай бұрын

One of the best educative videos I ever seen. Thank you for sharing in English, as well. I someday you can share it in Spanish, it will be very welcome. Thank you. Greetings from México!

@abdulkabza 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for your interest and great feed-back!

@victorsotomayor8110 3 жыл бұрын

THAT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE IT REALLY HELPED MY UNDERSTANDING OF AIMING THE TURKISH BOW. THANK YOU.

@LOFIGSD 4 жыл бұрын

Great instruction, I have a 50lb Turkish bow, and been learning thumb draw, living in England, this might sound strange, but, for short range, intuitive, rapid shooting, I am enjoying this style of archery.

@ToquzOghuzKhaganatekhan 11 ай бұрын

Only 50lb ?

@ToquzOghuzKhaganatekhan 11 ай бұрын

Only 50lb ?

@lebondave4377 4 жыл бұрын

Amazing and complete video, really instructive! It is a real myth buster : there is no instinctive but intuitive archery, we have to train our muscles and our form. Thank you so much from France Murat, you and all your team, your work is perfect! 😎

@Sk0lzky 4 жыл бұрын

By the way when people shoot guns in a high stress situation (self defence, close quarter combat) we actually shoot instinctively despite technically using sights. There is no time for conscious aiming - situation similar to horse archery! That's why people carrying guns and law enforcement spend hours on drills. Or at least should do it x)

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

Exactly! In close-quarter pistol shooting for example, sights are used just to "point" rather than "aim", if ever used.

@tjj4lab 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much, I use a wooden recurve shot off a shelf using gap aiming, I can get pretty good results. I love the look of Turkish style bows and have wanted to learn that way of shooting, but it’s so different to the way I shoot it’s been hard to know how to start. This video has given me several ways to try and a starting point to work from.

@nitromaroder 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, Murat!

@gizmonomono 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome. I really love the comparison in the point of view at the end.

@holoholohaolenokaoi2299 4 жыл бұрын

possibly one of your best videos to date! instinctive is so much easier! God bless you!

@herikusuman6599 4 жыл бұрын

This is the best explanation about instinctive aiming. Now i can focus to the target. Thank you very much, Sir.. 👍

@christking85 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for all the effort and knowledge you put into the video.

@harlinwall9367 3 жыл бұрын

Very informative. A great comparison if styles and techniques. Thank you!

@ernestsheffield9976 4 жыл бұрын

Very informative. Thank you for sharing your wisdom.

@Chirpy_Ceilingbird 4 жыл бұрын

Moral of the story.. shoot instinctive 😆

@holoholohaolenokaoi2299 4 жыл бұрын

absolutely!

@clear_image_photos5477 4 жыл бұрын

Tbh it depends on your goal of shooting, to a new archer having a point of aim like the tip of an arrow helps alot especially in younger people, so they can learn proper technique and not hurt themself and after learning and being able to hit the target it can become instinctive after tons of practice its basically repetition. Also if one is looking to shoot only to hit gold aiming can prove superior due to how long it takes to learn instinctive.

@tunakocaarsln_ 4 жыл бұрын

Elinize ağzınıza sağlık hocam. Tüm ekipten Allah razı olsun. Kaç gündür nişan alma olayını anlamaya çalışıyordum bu video olmasa işimiz zordu.

@frogi109 3 жыл бұрын

jazakallah sir for a very detailed & clear video of the subject.

@patfitzgerald5696 4 жыл бұрын

Extremely helpful. Thank you!

@ronsarchery6378 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing. Your explanations are very clear.

@muhamadridayatullah6272 3 жыл бұрын

This video is a treasure, thank you for sharing with us...

@michaelsingh5053 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Amazing, and very informative. I like seeing the arrow being fired from different view points. As an English language user, the teaching and demonstration is very easy to follow and of excellent quality and form. Truly blessed.

@abdulkabza 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@m.b.7975 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the advice and the video Brother murat really appreciate it

@wouldyouliketomeetkenbamba9495 3 жыл бұрын

This deserves more appreciations

@2ears1mouth786 Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for your explanations and demonstrations!

@abdulkabza Жыл бұрын

I thank you for your interest!

@blake436 4 жыл бұрын

Nice, concise video. Thanks, Murat.

@glennc1961 4 жыл бұрын

Another great post Keep up the good work

@muhamadridayatullah6272 3 жыл бұрын

Very clear message, easy to understand.. Well done sir

@matthewnolan1708 4 жыл бұрын

lots of great info. thank you

@alexandersalomatin8650 4 жыл бұрын

Great stuff! Very true indeed .

@Schunkelbruder1963 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent explanation /tutorial ! Thank you very much !

@abdulkabza 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@TobyMottershead_ 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent explanation - thank you sir. 🙏

@nebulan8148 4 жыл бұрын

Gururumuz olan ata sporunu yaşattığınız için teşekkürler

@ozoz4237 4 жыл бұрын

Çok güzel bir çalışma, emeği geçen herkese teşekkürler.

@brucenovotny5924 3 жыл бұрын

Another great vid. Thanks a bunch.

@miguelveratraditionalarche9374 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for Sharing🙏

@dungeonmaster6292 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video. You guys are awesome

@abdulkabza Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your interest!

@krek17 3 жыл бұрын

Very helpfull, thankyou very much for sharing this insight :)

@allthethings2100 3 жыл бұрын

This is very high quality content, thank you

@abdulkabza 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@budirman 4 жыл бұрын

thanks for sharing🙏

@xzqzq 3 жыл бұрын

I like the bare bow, compact Turkish style of archery.... As a right-handed archer, have always nocked the arrow on the left side of the bow, but for rapid-fire shooting, nocking the arrow on the right side of the bow makes sense....just might take a bit of getting used to....

@AnimaTriste 4 жыл бұрын

This is the best explanation of various aiming techniques in such a relatively short time format, that I have found. I have a great admiration and respect for your channel, as it combines my great love for traditional archery of any kind with historical and scientific approach (I shot Olympic style as a kid). Thank you very much, and best wishes from me!

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

@ramoimpase5686 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing video! Great instruction! A hug from Brasil!

@abdulkabza 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@MinhTran-sl7kc 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

@user-fk6jr2nu6q 4 жыл бұрын

Its very interesting to see convergence in techniques. What you say basically matches word by word my own findings when I self-trained in trad. archery: instinctive for up to 30 meters and use of reference points with deliberate aiming process beyond 30 m. Why the "30 meters"? I guess, this distance (or similar) is natural limit for human "tools" for instinctive aiming. Great video and explanation, Murat!

@vladimirstrangar3050 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent!

@frogi109 3 жыл бұрын

jazakallah thank you for excellent info.

@inonisttr 3 ай бұрын

Elinize emeğinize sağlık.. yıllar sonra da izlenilecek değerli bir kaynak olmuş.

@abdulkabza 3 ай бұрын

Teşekkürler! Ben de öyle umuyorum.

@MR01313 3 жыл бұрын

Teşekkürler Murat Hocam, harika bilgiler için. Benim de tam olarak kafama takılan 'okçulukta nişan alma' konusuydu. Wonderful video. Thanks

@randallwilliams9663 4 жыл бұрын

Great Video!

@pippip3597 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Greetings from Poland, Ukraine and Tatar!

@saefeasf 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, thank you for your time and efforts to share this with us. By the way: It would be awesome if you do a tutorial about instinctive shooting (if its possible to teach this kind of shooting)👍

@abdulkabza 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you fr yr interest.

@brucenovotny5924 Жыл бұрын

Excellent ! Excellent! Excellent!!!

@abdulkabza Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@UncleDanBand64 3 жыл бұрын

Nice job

@mahiraltngoz4253 4 жыл бұрын

Çok değerli bilgiler, teşekkürler, saygılarımla.

@mfaisalnordin 4 жыл бұрын

Nice sharing. Thanks

@Kancutayoge 4 жыл бұрын

Üstad tirkeşten oku çekişine hayranım

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

Teşekkürler😃

@Kancutayoge 4 жыл бұрын

@@abdulkabza sırf o çekiş için bile bir tutorial videosu çekseniz izlenir

@janwestphal8047 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent, teşekkür ederim! 👍

@DeathLessMaN251 3 жыл бұрын

Elinize sağlık, faydalı oldu.

@Conversus 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@karlgunther-turkisharchery4272 4 жыл бұрын

Thank You for this great lesson, Sir!

@holoholohaolenokaoi2299 4 жыл бұрын

yes

@mattredfern1339 6 ай бұрын

Thank You

@abdulkabza 5 ай бұрын

@Sk0lzky 4 жыл бұрын

Prefering lower anchors isn't as much about accuracy but more about optimal body mechanics as it puts less stress on shoulder joint and doesn't require as much strength of the shoulder capsule muscles. Great video nonetheless, great info!

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Lower anchor also provides better visibility when shootimng at a close target from horse back. If you anchor high targets at a certain distance may disappear behind the bow.

@celestinopoletti4773 4 жыл бұрын

Grazie..molto interessante

@batuhanaygun7746 4 жыл бұрын

efsana bir çalışma olmuş emeğinize sağlık.

@eclipsearchery9387 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Murat, thanks for the video. Very interesting. I am still trying to get to apprentice level with the thumb ring haha It has been a long road so far. One part of my technique that I struggle with is where to anchor. When you say draw to the earlobe which part of your drawing hand touches your earlobe? I am left handed and have been 'aiming' down the line of the arrow eg. left hand side of the bow.

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

Touching yr earlobe with the thumbring is quite a good and repeatable anchor

@hitokkohitoriarutoki2490 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks :)

@rendihanggara6490 3 жыл бұрын

watch and watch and watch again

@Balaclavaballistics 2 жыл бұрын

I read that there is correlation between Persian and Ottoman Archery. Like the grip cheng-i baz similar to Persian name: changal-i baz. Thank you for passing on your knowledge. The Turkish style bow is my absolute favourite

@abdulkabza 2 жыл бұрын

Turkish and Persian cultures have been interacting since 7th century and Iranian plateau has been ruled by Turkish military elite since 9th century. There have been mutual interaction between these two cultures for more than a thousand years.

@Balaclavaballistics 2 жыл бұрын

@@abdulkabza so interesting

@fatiherensasmaz 4 ай бұрын

Especially Persian language effects Turkish. This terms used in Turkish when Turks began to write about archery

@powerslavenegi 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent skills ; your bow is interesting it doesn’t follow the usual Turkish bow form .

@abdulkabza 3 жыл бұрын

It is a Crimean Tatar bow The classification of Turkish bows is blurry and inaccurate. Crimean Tatars were allies and a part of the Ottoman army, so why not categorizing them as one of the bows of Turkish Ottoman Empire? I am shooting Turkish bows and bos of related cultures such as Korean and Mongol.

@0ooTheMAXXoo0 3 жыл бұрын

Archery is instinctive to humans. It has meant survival and war for thousand of generations...

@syifayusuf8057 4 жыл бұрын

ma syaa Alloh..

@Ibrahim-bn5fj 4 жыл бұрын

Teşekkürler

@AsBusiness-jm1rb 5 ай бұрын

teşekkürler abi

@abdulkabza 5 ай бұрын

Rica ederim!

@alexkhlemanov3523 4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting video, thank you very much Murat. A slightly off-topic question. I can see that when shooting you turn the wrist of your bow hand and move it outwards so the bow turns practically 90 degrees (about the same way as it is done in Japanese archery). Is it done on purpose as a part of traditional ottoman shooting technique? If yes, can you please make a video about it and how it is supposed to be done correctly? Thank you in advance :)

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Yes, the bowhand movement has a purpose and there is already a video of mine: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mrqKntWespvMqGg.html

@alexkhlemanov3523 4 жыл бұрын

@@abdulkabza Thank you very much for the link to the other video :)

@TN-kg2lv 4 жыл бұрын

non video related question, but do you know any resource or test done on the efficiency of modern bow materials?

@abdulkabza 3 жыл бұрын

As far as I know Dr. Szöllösy Gabor tested Grozer's fiberglass and compared it with the one used by another Hungarian bowyers If it was published it is probably in Hungarian language. There are articles of Adam Karpowicz comparing the peformance of selfbows with the Asian composites. They are available on the internet. But there must be others whch I don't know.

@clear_image_photos5477 4 жыл бұрын

I been watching alot of your vids lately and was wondering what bow you recommend most, my main goal is hunting. But i want to move away from my bulky mongolian bow, if any viewers have a recommendation please let me know as well, want it at least 45 pounds, 50 would be perfect. Nothing large or to tall

@abdulkabza 3 жыл бұрын

Laminated bows are fastest as a rule of thumb but Turkish bowyer Şimşek makes excellent all-resin bows with high energy efficiency. Go for a Grozer Turkish laminate (Hungarian bowyers), Keskin Tunçay or Şimşek Short Crimean Tatar (Turkish bowyers). All these models generate enogh energy at 45-55 lbs range hen drawn at 28 or further and when heavy arrows (10 gpp) are used.

@Hamza-EKER 4 жыл бұрын

Harika içerik teşekkür ederiz.Bireysel okçular nasıl kendilerine güvenli atış alanı oluşturabilirler.Mesela evimin bir terası var , bir tane ases 80x80 hedef siparişi verdim.Oklarımın kırılmasını engellemek için maliyeti düşük nasıl önlemler almalıyım ? Güvenlik ağları bireysel okçular için inanılmaz masraflı olur diye düşünüyorum.

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

Yakın mesafeden atmak en güvenli şey. Torba idmanı gibi temel egzersizler zaten çok yakın mesafeden yapılıyor. Alüminyum ok alın ki osilasyondan kırılmasın.

@arnaulpujol8439 Жыл бұрын

Me gusta ese arco por las palas y el manilar que es bien comodo me gusta mucho quiero uno de ese arco soy de Argentina saludos abrazo

@abdulkabza Жыл бұрын

Greetings from Istanbul!

@mehmetakifelis5789 4 жыл бұрын

SİVAS ERETNA ZİHGİRLERİNE BEKLERİZ...

@ToquzOghuzKhaganatekhan 11 ай бұрын

Merhaba bro ! Where is the archery club ? I want to participate !

@abdulkabza 11 ай бұрын

Where do u live?

@taweetel 10 күн бұрын

pekiyi içgüdüsel atışta, yayı tuttuğun eli mi yoksa ipi çektiğin eli, oku mu yoksa sadece hedefi mi düşünüyorsun acaba? hiç dikkat ettin mi? oku atarken kafandan hangisi geçiyor, bunlardan birine ağırlık veriyor musun ? bilerek veya bilmeyerek. içinden geçen hangisi. ok mu yay mı hedef mi? sağ ol

@abdulkabza 7 күн бұрын

Bütün vücutla yapılan bir şey içgüdümlü atış. Sadece sol ya da sağ kol düşünülerek filan yapılmıyor.

@nikasexplores9597 3 жыл бұрын

Do you have any idea how the simsek hybrid plus performs at 80 pound draw weight? Or at higher draw weights? Does the extra limb mass slow it down to much in fps?

@abdulkabza 3 жыл бұрын

All bows slow down with extra limb-mass. Organic composite bows have the advantage of adding less mass per increaased draw weight. Şimşek bows are all-resin bows and perform excellent energy-wise at lower draw weights. I haven't tested any high-weight Şimşek but theoretically it would be less energy efficient then fr example a 40-pounder.

@nikasexplores9597 3 жыл бұрын

I see, that is what I was thinking. Thank you for the reply and sharing your knowledge. If I ever get one of the simsek bows at higher poundage I will make a video.

@abdulkabza 3 жыл бұрын

@@nikasexplores9597 Would be excellent!

@b..3543 4 жыл бұрын

Murat hocam İzmir'de mi yoksa İstanbul'da mısınız genel olarak, Karşıyaka Alaybeyde oturuyorum Tirendaz Karşıyaka'ya gelip sizinle tanışmak isterim eğer siz de müsait ve İzmir'de olursanız :)

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

Merhaba! Maalesef artık İzmir Tirendaz yok. Devamlı İstanbul'dayım. Yolunuz buraya düşerse antrenmanımıza bekleriz.

@b..3543 4 жыл бұрын

@@abdulkabza İzmir'de açıldı yazısını görünce çok sevinmiştim nasip değilmiş. Davetiniz için çok teşekkür ederim hocam, kolay gelsin.

@eyupesatakman9343 4 жыл бұрын

Abi seni cok severek izliyorum sana bir sorum olacak ufak tip ufak makarali bir ok avda is gorurmu (domuz)

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

Teşekkürler! Makaralı yaylar avcılıkta norm haline gelmiştir. Çekiş kuvveti önemli. Çoğu makaralı yay 60 lbs ve üstüdür. Domuza rahatlıkla yeter.

@SILVERCoinVSpapermoney 3 жыл бұрын

Nice Bow... Where can I get.

@abdulkabza 3 жыл бұрын

Keskin Crimean Tatar bow

@SatsuRyu 4 жыл бұрын

This is a great video Murat. One of the best in explaining it. I myself go between instinctive and split vision methods. The falcon grip method is intriguing as well. Also I wanted to ask what's the bow that you're using in this video.

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I have been on the same track too: intuitive and split vision. The bow here is Keskin's Crimean Tatar.

@SatsuRyu 4 жыл бұрын

@@abdulkabza Could you direct me to where I could acquire Keskin's Tatar bow? It certainly has a nice shape to it.

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

It looks and shoota great! He has a. Facebook page "Keskin Geleneksel Yayları & Keskin Archery".

@SatsuRyu 4 жыл бұрын

@@abdulkabza Thank you!

@vfc1860 4 жыл бұрын

I have a 47 1/2 inch Grozier biocomposite Turkish short bow which is supposed to be historically accurate and use a 30 inch arrow which I draw to 29 inches to my cheek. If I drew to my ear then the draw would be about 30 to 31 inches and the bow would break. I'm only 5 ft 8 inches tall and many would have longer draw lengths than me. My question is if the historical military draw was to the ear how would the bow not break? The average arrow was 29 inches like mine with the arrowhead added on to that. It does not seem to add up. Thanks, great video!

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

In the collection of the Topkapı Palace Museum there are 500+ bows. Turkish bows' lengths vary from 89 cm (35'', flight bow) to 135 cm (53''). I am not talking about the Crimean Tatar bows that were even longer. So, it is just an assumption that the Turkish bow was short. However, most of the arrow shafts do not exceed 29''. It is a better and reliable indicator that the draw was short. However, as an archer with a body length of 185 cm (6 feet 0,8''), I draw only 29 to 29 1/2''. so, with a good back tension even taller archers drew shorter than thought, especially if it comes to heavier war bows. I once measured a shorthening of 2'' at my draw when I perfectly (so I thought at least) a 87 pound bow and shoot.

@vfc1860 4 жыл бұрын

@@abdulkabza Thanks for the insight. Does the correct back tension possibly shorten the draw length required? When I shoot I always focus on the anchor point on my cheek and the arm holding the bow being straight. Do you focus on back tension instead or what do you suggest?

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

@@vfc1860 I consider the back tension as an important skill for opening mandal (handlock) fast and flawlessly. Having a good back tension makes the arm muscles loose and opening the hand occurs sharper.

@KadishProductions 4 жыл бұрын

Hocam merhaba, ben Amerika'da yasiyorum sormak istedim: burda bas parmak atisla ilgili bilgi olan biliyormusun? Atiyorum ben Custom Thumb Ring sitesindeki yuzuklerle ve aciyor ama insanlar aci olmamasi lazim diyorlar, onunla ilgili sormak istedim. Tesekkurler!

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

Parmağınıza uygun yapılmış zihgirle vr doğru teknikle atış yapıldığında acı olmaz. ABD' de Japon,Kore veya Çin okçuluğuyla ilgilenen birilerini bulabilirsn belki. Aynı değildir ama benzer.

@KadishProductions 4 жыл бұрын

@@abdulkabza Zihgir olmasa desek, yayin ipi tam nereye gelmesi lazim bas parmakta? Resim varmi oyle, benimki bas parmagin ilk kemigin biraz altina geliyor

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

Zihgir en alt boğuma oturmayıp bir kaç mm yukarıda kalacak

@hasgulstudies Жыл бұрын

Hocam siz ankarada mısınız

@abdulkabza Жыл бұрын

Hayır, İstanbul'da yaşıyorum.

@hendronugroho84 4 жыл бұрын

How long your draw length and how long your arrow sir?

@abdullahyusof4739 4 жыл бұрын

Murat’s draw length is 30” if I’m not mistaken but I don’t know about arrow length

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

29 to 29 1/2 inches

@AA43560 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Murat, question: Armin Hirmer here talks about having the nocking point of the arrow slightly higher than 90 degrees, so that the arrow angles downwards. I did not find such reference in either saracen archery or arab archery. Im wondering, is this historically the technique that was used? It certainly makes sense, which makes me wonder if im just missing it. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bbeJm9t_xse9lZ8.html

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, it is true. Well-explained in Adam Swoboda's book. Pls take a look at my video of testing 3 Grozer bows.

@AA43560 4 жыл бұрын

@@abdulkabza Thank you!

@cant8160 4 жыл бұрын

Sevgili abicim geleneksel bir Türk yayı edinmeyi planlıyorum alabileceğim bir yer ve fiyat aralığı önerebilirmisiniz

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

Bu kanalda yer alan test videolarıno seyredin lütfen!

@syifayusuf8057 4 жыл бұрын

I really wanted to learn archery but didn't have the tools. can you give a present for me hehehe

@yuvarlanamayabiliyorum 4 жыл бұрын

Murat Özveri'nin resmi kanalı mı? Bu hesap Murat Özveri'nin kendine mi ait?

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

Evet!

@abdulkabza 4 жыл бұрын

Evet!

@yuvarlanamayabiliyorum 4 жыл бұрын

@@abdulkabza o zaman abone oldum. Bu arada bir sorum olacaktı hocam; Türk yayları yapımı zor olan ve en uzun sürede yapılan yaylar, kablo sırtlı yaylar (cable backed bow) hem yapımı kolay hem de kısa sürede yapılan yaylar. Ama iki yayın da güçleri ve enerjileri birbirlerine çok yakın olabiliyor. Bu iki yayı kıyaslayıp savaş ve avlanmada kullanılıp kullanılamayacağını anlatabilir misiniz? Eğer yaparsanız çok sevinirim.