Hahahaha! 😂 I don't even know what to reply right now, except I'm pretty sure you just broke the "best comment ever" record on my channel! 😅😂 Thank you so much for sharing, this kind of stuff means so much.. you have no idea.

Never ever you trained with worldtour coaches without knowing how to set

@@niklasheld9281 do you think i lie? What's wrong with you? I trained 1 times per week with robert nowotny for 2 years, and 1 times per week with nik Berger. Now i train with thomas Kunert and Lorenz petutschnigg.... So what do you want from me?!?

Felix kampfs0cke and nevertheless you cant set....

@@felixkampfs0cke411 Hey man! So I am currently (finally) working on a testimonials page for my website with stories from people who received coaching from me.. But I realized that there are also some amazing KZfaq comments out here on the channel from people like you that I never so far coached in person but who still learned from my videos! This comment of yours is one of my all time favorites hahah (who doesn't want to be Jesus..? 🤪😂), so I was going to ask if it would be OK for you if I shared this comment also on my website? (www.learnbeachvolleyballfast.com) As a thank you, if you want, let's jump on a 30 min video call and discuss some beach volleyball if you want! :) Hope all is well!

Nice to hear!! Thanks for the comment! :)

Hahaaa wow!! This makes me so happy! :) Just so there's no misunderstanding, I am a beach volleyball coach and not so much an indoor volleyball coach, and the handsetting rules and also strategy vary slightly. Indoor tends to require a shorter touch (so lift is more strictly called) and be a bit more lenient on double contacts. But the basics are kinda the same, it's just that you shift the focus slightly towards a quicker touch. Also, on higher levels in indoor an important part of the setters job is to disguise where the set is going to go (so it should look neutral whether the setter will set the ball forwards or backwards for example) which is the complete opposite of beach where often you wantto show your partner as clearly as possible where you are intending to set the ball. Using legs for power is a big component of that (showing where the ball will go), so therefore using legs is common in beach, but in indoor it's not used as clearly at all, and more power comes from the wrists. This is probably the reason that extra heavy setters balls got invented, because it is pretty tough to produce this type of power without the help of the legs! Glad you found the channel, welcome! :)

That's awesome! :) I hope they will be helpful for you! Not sure what's the best order to watch the videos, the handset positioning one first and then the 7 part mini course or 7 part course first and then handset positioning video.. Some people said the handset positioning video was even more helpful than a lot of the series, so maybe I'd say start with that! You can find all the videos in a playlist here on the channel which is called handsetting I think! Feel free to give me an update on how things are working out later! :)

Thank you! 😀 Lots more on the way! 🥳

Thank you! :) That's part of the purpose of this channel, to break down things in ways that normally don't happen but makes sense/is needed! :)

Thanks, good to hear! :) Yes I was for years frustrated about the quality of tutorials myself so I ended up creating this channel in order to try to change that.. so I know the frustration..! :)

Awesome! It's so funny because I was actually very close to not uploading this video, for some reason I thought people wouldn't understand what I meant or that it wasn't clear enough.. seems like I was wrong hahaha! :)

Thanks alot! Hope it helps! :)

Awesome to hear! :) Hope you reach your visions of becoming a better setter! :)

Hope they help! :)

Thanks man! :) Do you mind if I ask you what about it is it that makes it good? Because I should do more of that in the future for all of our sake! :)

Awesome! Hope it helps! :)

Thanks man! :)

Thanks man! :) Hope it helps!!

Thanks!! :) Every now and then my mind seems to make up shit that people understand! 😅

Thanks!! Hope it helps or leads to something great!! :)

Nice to hear, hope it helps! :)

Hope it leads to something good! :)

Learn Beach Volleyball Fast it definitely will. I like having that mental imagery of the hoops upward path while our hands/fingers act as the spider web. Also, I recently made a little vlog of a tournament I played in. Check it out and let me know what you think! drive.google.com/open?id=1zhk5pxVD2GJ7jcpEc2VxUidXj6uptwPm

Thanks man, so fun to hear!! :)

Thanks! Hope it helps in some way! :)

Heyy! Sorry I had missed to reply to this one for some reason! Interesting! I have some ideas on how to overcome that fear.. For me it feels like people think if it's a higher/spinnier ball, you need to hold it more in a sense and change your technique.. I've come to realize that it's sort of the opposite, you just gotta push that set out with even more confidence and even less worries about anything but where you are intending to put the ball. When you push harder on a higher ball, it basically means there will be more friction between your fingers and the ball, and that will take the spin away, therefore you don't need to "grab it more" like some people might think they need to. Just trust those soft fingers of yours to do their job, bring that rockstar handset confidence and put the ball where it needs to be! One of the best decisions regarding to this that I ever took was a 1 hour walk in the park with a ball a few years ago. I tossed the ball as high and with as much spin as I could, and then handset from that. After 15 minutes or so I had those insights I just wrote down plus a huge confidence boost when I realized I was able to make these super spinny skyballs into clean handsets almost 100% of the time! So my tip is... take a walk in the park, bring a ball and a curious mind and see what happens! ;) Also, did you see the more mental parts in my handsetting series? I think it might be part 3 or 4 which talks about just deciding to go for it, and then I think it's part 5 that talks about failure statistics and becoming scared of bumpsetting! 😅

Happy to hear that! :)

Yes! And that's how you can actually catch the ball which gives you such good control over it, without being called for lift/catch! 🧐😉 #breaktherulesbutnotreally #lifehack

Nice! That's amazing to hear, it indeed is a confusion-point for many players! :) Is there more stuff you are confused about in the same way?

@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast that's actually the only one. Im not a great player but i understand the basics, the rest is about technique and a practice matter. Thanks for the reply

@@diegozarza6017 Nice! Yeah the rules around this judgement call are always a bit under debate and sometimes even under change! Awesome, hope you find everything you need!

Thanks! Yes, I sort of agree, but would want to clarify something that I actually think is important..! So I definitely agree one can see the wrists go down a bit as well, but the "feeling" or "proprioceptional experience" at least I have in my body when handsetting is that there is "some" tension in the wrists that pushes the ball outwards from the body to a degree, while the fingers are "completely" relaxed. Which I guess is why I'd still want to categorize the wrists as the "trampoline frame that is moving upwards" rather than the trampoline, while the fingers are the "trampoline." It's possible of course to handset with limp wrists also (just as it is possible to handset with tense wrists AND tense fingers), but at least I have found most success with what for me internally feels like limp fingers and somewhat engaged wrists..! Hope that makes sense! However, this whole observation leads to a very interesting point in sports coaching/analysis overall, which is that sometimes what actually happens to the body in a slow motion video is not exactly how the athlete themselves describes how they feel when doing the movement or how they think about it. The wristsnap in attacking is a great example of this, countless high level athletes throughout the years swear by the importance of the wristsnap and say it's one of the most important aspects of attacking, all the while some high level coaches (who might not know how to snap their wrist and therefore has never had the "inner experience" of it) watch slowmotion video of athletes both doing and not doing the wristsnap but come to the conclusion that the wristsnap is a myth (because you can't really "see" it on video regardless of if the athlete is doing it or not) and then go about ranting about this and bullying coaches and high level athletes that (rightfully so) find a lot of attacking success by learning the movement that for the athlete feels like a "wrist snap." Anyway, so the point is that sometimes what things look like in slowmotion and what it feels like for the athlete is not the same. When thinking about this (and about how this fits into my overall goal of teaching people beach volleyball in the most efficient manner), I have realized that for the purposes of someone learning a movement, the description of what it feels like for the athlete is the important part and what leads to actual physical learning, successful implementation and mastery. I see value in both types of descriptions (what actually happens when you watch slowmotion video, and the internal feeling of the athlete) as long as there is time enough to go through both and it is explained clearly that "what actually happens" is not necessarily the same as "how you should think to learn this movement." But if time is limited like on a group lesson with a group that came there primarily to touch the ball rather than listening to a whole bunch of theory, or on a KZfaq video like this one (if I make the video too long and boring many people will decide to not watch), then I have personally landed in the conclusion that the most important part is to include the "how it feels for the athlete" part rather than the "what does it actually technically look like" part... Because that's what will get people to learn. I have actually seen many videos over the years with coaches talking over slowmotion video and pointing out all sorts of details about what is happening, and while I won't in any way say these videos are worthless (they have their time and place), often these same coaches can't perform the movements themselves and can't teach them and don't know what it feels like to perform that movement.. so in one sense, for a "learning this movement right now" purpose, these videos are basically worthless. Meanwhile, the videos with coaches explaining movements with analogies like "imagine you are slapping your hand onto the top of a shelf" or "imagine you are moving like a tiger about to attack its prey" can be immensely helpful for athletes for learning a movement, even if they might be "technically incorrect" if one analyzes the same movement in slow motion video. Haha I hope this makes sense, I guess I got excited while writing and it turned out to become a bit of a piece. Anyway, what I have learned from this exchange is that even if I still value describing "what it feels like for the athlete" higher than "what technically happens" in a shorter instructional video like this one above, it may be worth 5 seconds extra to mention the fact that if you analyze the video you might find that it does not look "exactly" the way I describe it, and that people who want to understand why can go to a separate link to learn more why. Actually, this comment could be a good basis for for example a blogpost that explains this concept.. And the content that this link would lead to..! Would you mind if I turned this comment and my answer into a blogpost? (No worries if not, I can rewrite it so it doesn't contain any names or you in any way if you don't want to be involved!) And just so I have said it, in my future online courses which will be "way more in depth" than my KZfaq videos, I will provide both types of descriptions of skills, "what it feels like/how to learn" but also the technical slow motion video analysis for the people who want it. For the most part though, I think I will make it so that one doesn't need to watch the technical video analysis to actually learn the skill (because those videos can take quite a bit of time to watch and some people just want to learn the skill at max speed), but these videos would rather be add-ons for the people that really want to understand things deeper... Just like engaging/reading in the comments section is for people who want to understand things deeper than from just the KZfaq video above! (Haha congratulations for being one of those people if you made it through all the way here reading this whole reply! 😅)

@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast 100% agree, and your points here perfectly exemplify what I love about your channel and teaching style. I tend to over-analyze slo-mo video and try to imagine myself making these motions, over and over, only to have a completely different result in real life when I attempt to implement what I've "thought-learned". In fact, even when I THINK I implement a certain concept correctly, I'm often dismayed to see what's actually happening when I record video of myself. I think your metaphor/thought tricks are very useful to those of us who don't pick it up naturally, and you're more than welcome to reference my comment in a blog post.

@@therealandrewlund Hahaha! First of all - thanks alot, second of all - been there done that! 😅😅 Makes 100% sense, really happy you got my point, always slightly nervous when disagreeing completely or partly with some comments, but it seems like we are on the same page here! I actually think this can become a very important blog-post, and typing out the answer to you yesterday made me think about all of this in a much clearer/deeper way than I had done before, so thanks a lot for that!! 😀

Thanks!! :) Yess, more is coming for sure! Have had a lot of unfortunate things happen since pandemic started, first I lost tons of money during the pandemic and now during the summer my house got broken into and all my production gear stolen.. So things are definitely delayed, but things are coming! :)

Thanks! :)

@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast i forgot greetings from Germany 😉 no i will look all your other Videos...#Homeoffice with ball in the hands 😂

@@WolfsSchwein Hahah nice! :) Hope everything is good in Germany and that you'll be able to play this fall and not get restricted! :)

Thanks! :)

Yes! If you look at 6:20 in the video you see that I almost always jump when I handset as well, some coaches think it's unnecessary but I don't see anything bad with it really, it just allows you to take more power from your legs. When you say you jump toward the ball, I get a mental picture where you'd be jumping earlier than I do, and I am imagining that COULD make it really difficult for your partner to read where you are aiming your set, do you follow me on that train of thought? Then again, not all attackers rely on what your setting technique looks like in terms of readability, and if your partner doesn't then I guess it's fine, until you try to play with someone that does rely on these visual cues.. All assuming my mental image of what your setting might look like is correct in the first place! :)

That's amazing! :) Are you thinking jump float or jump topspin?

@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast Whichever is easier to start with. I serve decent from the ground (hips are main power generator). In the air, I loose all power and either net the ball or barely get it over.

Thanks, hope it helps! :)

Yes I agree. I think some people have their wrists already pretty much all the way back as the ball lands in the hands and with this technique the wrists can't really flex too much more (maybe a little but not much), but then again some people will catch the ball with less flexed wrists which will lead to more of what you are describing to happen! :)

@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast Good point. I try to keep my hands in-line with my forearms before contacting the ball, but if the wrists are already flexed back, then only the fingers can act as the trampoline as you've shown. Enjoying your channel. Thanks!

@@yvesanidjar3752 Makes sense! :) Yes I have seen indoor setters set a bit more like that, using the wrists as trampolines as well, and using the body less! Both work! That's amazing! :)

Hey, thanks! :) Uhh interesting, that's a very good question! To be able to answer properly I'd need to maybe see them in reality, but yes, I think your analysis about wrists seem pretty logical. Fingers need to be soft enough for the touch to be "soft". If the fingers don't flex down enough to make the whole mpvement smooth enough, then yes, I'd say flex down with your wrists as well. In reality I think we all fo a little bit at least. As long as you are still moving up with legs and shoulders/elbows, the total sum movement of the ball should still be outwards even if you flex down with wrists also, and that would avoid making you move the ball in two directions meaning you could get called for a lift..! Hope that helps, feel free to update how it goes or if you have more questions! :)

@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast Well, If you ever come to London or Athens I would be happy to play you! But yeah wrists and fingers are not that flexible so combined together they kind of do the trampoline effect you explained. So yeah, will keep trying and thanks a lot for the reply!

@@PapaNgEEEsexylady Hahah nice! :) Let's see when this virus situation clears up, and who knows, maybe one day I'll find myself in one of those places! :) Yes see if you can make it work. In the end, handsetting is a big combo of several things before it works, but once you get all the pieces together and make them automatic movement patterns, it becomes quite easy! :) But how the hands touch the ball is only one of them, good positioning of your body and how you hold your hands before touching the ball are huge factors too.

Thanks for the comment! Had to go back amd look at the examples of my handsets haha, and agree the elbows definitely bend. However, when I looked at the slowest one and added KZfaqs max slowmotion on it, I'd kinda argue that the elbows bend before the ball lands in the hand and once the ball is im the hand the elbows don't bend any more. But at the same time the ball does touch the soft fingers slightly before the ball has actually "landed in the hand" so I at the same time sort of agree it looks the way you describe it. Very small details but not unimportant. No matter what, thanks for pointing it out, you are right, it doesn't happen quite exactly as I describe in the video. The movement to me however does feel the way I describe in the video.. That's a topic for another day what a movement feels like and what it actually looks like (both descriptions have pros and cons), but yeah, thanks for bringing it up, made me realize a few things! :) On the rest I agree 100%, indoor setters in a sense actually do more what I described rather than what I did, and also beach is a bit more lenient on this compared to indoor. :)

@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast I also looked at the slowest slowmo and you're right. In the end, I don't think that matters too much. I spoke once with a professional setter in the past. She was the best setter in Moscow about 15 years ago. She told me when you set the ball, you have to catch and hold the ball for a tiny bit. Then it is just a matter of throwing the ball where you want. In this case, the accuracy of the set increases dramatically. And that's actually what you are doing. So there is a trade-off: on one side, you have to hold the ball for a tiny little bit and then throw it, and at the same time hold it short enough so that the referee doesn't blow the whistle. And the best way to train this is to use a heavy ball.

@@ddal3998 Agreed! :) According to me, the soft fingers is what allows this "semi catch" to happen, and it is indeed why it's so easy to control where the ball is going. Once you learn this "semi catch" then you are just as accurate as when double hand throwing the ball as long as you get your body in the right position to perform this "semi catch". If you do not get your body in the right place under the ball, then basically you would need to actually catch the ball to gain this same control I think..? (Haven't thought about this before but this is what comes up for me now at least! 🙂) Also to be noted is I have never been trained as an indoor setter or put myself too much into the game in general. I think good indoor setters might be better than me at getting power from their wrists while maintaining soft fingers. Actually now when you mentioned the heavy ball, maybe some heavy ball training would help me accomplish that if I wanted, strengthening the wrists and making them more explosive while still maintaining finger softness! :)

@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast I don't really think you need additional training. From what I can see, your hand setting technique is fine. I also notice in beach volleyball that sometimes players don't go under the ball well enough. Good position while setting is when you are under the ball and when you drop your hands, the ball drops right on your forehead when you're looking at the ball. Then you have a good side view (peripheral vision and frontal) of the opponent and your team members. That is not what I see in beach volleyball. Even professional players often catch the ball somewhere around their chin. That's probably because the sand slows you down quite a bit and you need more time to position yourself under the ball correctly.

@@ddal3998 Yep. No I meant for me to be an effective indoor setter I think I should change up my technique a bit. But no plans of becoming one as of now. :) Yes the sand probably slows people down which makes it harder to get the head in under the ball in time, and then also wind can sometimes make you sort of miss with your head even if you are there in time.. The "Dalhausser-style" falling handsets sort of fixes that problem because it allows you to widen the range of balls you can get your head under even if you can't make it in time with your feet. :)

No, I think that was more to show the absorption. You don't want the ball to bounce out of your hands. :-)

I'd say it's more like a catch and throw than a bounce, or maybe catch-carry-release. In part 2 of my handsetting series I basically teach a method to learn to not double the ball, and it's simply to throw balls from a handsetting grip until you learn to put no spin on them, and then transfer that release-feeling to a handset, only difference is in a way that there is very little time between the catch (or finger absorbtion) and the throw/release.. Does that make sense? By the way, indoor setters might actually use their fingers more like bouncing pads in a way, because the touch is shorter. One guy I met was able to indoor set with a lot of power without moving his hands/body much at all, and he said it's because he uses his wrists/fingers to kinda bounce the ball.. I can't say I learned that technique to a degree that I can say from experience if I agree it's a bounce-like feeling or not so I don't really know..! :)

Now I reread your comment, and it said "to an extent"... Yes maybe to a small extent actually.. But I'd say at least 80% of it is absorbtion-carrying-releasing rather than a bounce. :)

@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast more like a catch and throw...I think that answers a lot! makes me look at it quite differently! Thanks!

@@jlemon22 Yes! It's a bit tricky though because the catch and throw explanation makes a lot of people move the ball first down and then up. While learning the soft touch and avoiding double contacts that's all fine, but in the long run one should strive to only move the ball in one direction but still feel like the ball is "in your hands" for a little while! :) There are probably other opinions out there too especially from indoor setters, but I'd say control (hold) the ball as much as allowed in beach, it makes it easier to put it where it should go and also helps with showing your partner where you wanna set. Masking your sets and making them unreadable is a tactic in beach too that some people use, but I'd say for the vast majority of players it's better to show your partner where you will set rather than hide that information from your opponents like what is very common in indoor volleyball (but there you also have potentially 3 blockers..!)

There is no limit. The ball can spin to its heart content

Yeah according to the rules, there is basically no limit or rule about spin. What should matter regarding to a double contact is that both hands both start and end the contact with the ball at the same time. However, in reality, the more the ball spins, the bigger the chances are your hands ended the contact at different times. Consider these two extreme cases (highly unlikely but just to illustrate the rule a bit): 1. Wet ball comes with insanely fast spin into a pair of wet hands. This means there would not be enough friction between hands and ball during the touch to stop all the spin like it did in the video when I did it with dry hands and dry ball. It's technically possible to do the movement 100% correctly and legally but the ball continues spinning in the hands during the touch, and therefore spins also after the touch. 2. You set the ball with a sideways motion that basically puts spin on the ball. You can still make sure you contact the ball both hands at the same time, release at the same time, and only give the ball power in one direction. Legal or not? Technically it should probably be legal but I don't think anyone has ever done it in a game, there's no real reason really.. (hahaha except maybe mess with your opponents mentality if you have a ref that won't call you! 😅)! Does this make sense?

Spin is an indicator of a double though, and looks bad. Try to have no spin. :-)

@@volleyballvideos6426 Yep, in reality refs will probably call you on spin if it's extreme, and it's definately something that suggests a double contact. So it's still a good goal to make them spinless even though the rulebook says nothing about spin.

Hahah, this is a very good question, and a common one. And the reason is because the answer is so unclear that people end up wondering this over and over again basically. But let me try to answer in a way that covers the actual answer but is still somewhat short: Handsetting rules have changed over time, and they are also slightly different from place to place or country to country depending on culture in that specific place. There have been times when no spin was the only thing that was allowed pretty much (I didn't play in that time so I can't say with certainty that a ball that spun 1/4 of a turn during its flight but was otherwise perfect would have been called, but I think people have been this strict.) In some places and eras there have probably also been outspoken rules like "the ball cannot spin more than 1.5 turns" or so. However, nowadays, at the highest level tournaments, handsets are being called differently. A double contact should basically only be called if it is visible to the ref that the ball was contacted with one hand before the other (including if one hand catches the ball before the other and if one hand leaves the ball before the other.) Quite often a handset can look perfectly fine if you only look at the visible touch, but still spin a bit (to be honest though, the ball probably usually spins less than 1.5 turns when this is the case even if the 1.5 turns is no official rule nowadays.) And theoretically, if you have a really fast spinning ball that is wet and slippery, you could handset it with a clean touch but the ball keeps spinning in your hands and comes out spinning afterwards too, so theoretically it is possible to handset a ball that spins super fast after tha set but was still not doubled. This is very rare in reality though. So that is basically how the FIVB and AVP determine double contacts as far as I know, and in the perfect world, maybe all beach volleyball communities around the world would follow suit so we had the same rules everywhere. However, in reality some communities will always "lag behind" in how they judge the double contact and therefore you will from time to time encounter more strict judging of the double contact rule. At that point it's up to you to try to change the mind of that community, or just give up and let them play however they have been playing and adapt to that yourself. So in short: No, there is no official rule of no spin nowadays, but you might find beach volleyball communities that still use that as a rule.

Yeah handsets are definately a judgement call, and tricky because of it.. But damn, the game would be so much more boring to both play and watch if one of the best hits would be forbidden! :) If one says it's held if your hands touch the ball so much that it can stop spin (which I technically agree with), then even indoor handset quickness would be considered a held ball haha, many great indoor setters make spinning balls stop spin when they set them!

Ouch, yeah it is in the beginning.. What do you think is the problem that keeps you from being able to set well?

@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast I think it's my timing and my hands

@@zabdielisaiahmaynes4345 Okok! Without having seen you set or a video of you setting I can't know but the most common problem people have is their hands I'd say, but sometimes the problem is also the way they move their bodies which indeed can lead to something that feels like timing problems..! Are you wanting to fix this?

@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast Not really my main goal right now, but I will eventually try to fix it❤❤❤ Thanks you

@@zabdielisaiahmaynes4345 Nice! I like it when people realize that everything can't be fixed/focused on at the same time! What are you currently working on? It's possible tht I'll have even more handsetting resources in place once it's time for that for you! :)