one thing Kyle kirms doesn't do that every other gambling content creator does is promote sports books...actually he literally only promotes his KZfaq channel...that alone is why I respect him over anyone else
@dabs75172 ай бұрын
exactly. everyone else that you see that represents sportsbooks are complete and utter frauds.
@My_oh_face3 ай бұрын
Ok ok, my apologies to the staff and producers @ circles off. Even though I think this episode was a bit knit picky, and Kyle didnt deserve to be roasted, you guys played nice. Kyle keeps his betting history for everyone to see on his website. He wins. Very transparent dude. This video you reviewed is old and not the style of content he does usually. I encourage you to watch one of his live episodes. Just sayin…
@ezanakibret82533 ай бұрын
Kyles live streams are very entertaining (especially the MLB portion)… also he would probably be down to talk, if anything he’ll invite you guys to his channel 😂
@TommyDavidVerbal3 ай бұрын
I think you guys are awesome. I also think Johnny is a bad communicator unlike Rob. When Rob talks it comes across as someone trying to teach or inform. When Johnny talks it comes across as let me explain why you don't know but I know. Him being young doesn't help his cause either. Knowing something and teaching something are not one in the same.
@TommyDavidVerbal3 ай бұрын
All that said I think Johnny is very smart. I'm not trying to be A-Hole just speaking/ typing.
@moneyballerz21663 ай бұрын
I've been a poker/sports capping pro for many years and see alot of these kinda guys that use some solid rules logic and selective tracking but lack understanding the deeper logic or self control but have enough experience to survive and go on a few hot streaks until they ride their emotions into the ground or supplement their bankrolls in other ways
@My_oh_face3 ай бұрын
@Rob @Johnny I went in on you guys a bit hard before I actually watched the full episode. I think that was unfair of me , and I apologize. KYLE WOULD 100% come on and face the music. I promise you’ll like the guy by the time the episode is over. Which I understand doesn’t excuse the fact that you think his information is flawed. Would you guys consider going through a slate of MLB games and discussing some strategy and possible leans?
@KyleKirms23 сағат бұрын
I tried to handle this the right way. I was polite… didn’t bad mouth these guys... I even retweeted it for them. But after months of being lied to, it’s very clear that these are not honest people. There is so much bad information in this video… extremely manipulative language and flat out bad advice. Truly disappointed… cuz I don’t dislike these guys… it is what it is.
@eyeandmind3 ай бұрын
Don’t worry about any haters. You’re doing a service giving your point of view. Just found Kyle last week watching NBA game previews. Seems like a nice guy, but if that’s the first video you see on his page, it’s all fair game. And Johnny, wish you weren’t on load management and showed up every show.
@elisettoon31783 ай бұрын
You can tell Johnny doesn’t actually believe his own statement about Portnoy’s bet size giving his bets credibility. His constant initial reflex to take the contrarian point of view bit him in the ass there
@markusericsen21143 ай бұрын
1) This episode gave me some solid LOL moments with your comments. 2) Is Johnny aware that its supposed to be "G-Note" and not "Gino"? lol
@jimdarden46863 ай бұрын
hey guys thanks for the entertainment the dudes that worship this guy with their positive comments on his podcast comments section must not understand that they are proving just how much they don't know what they don't know about sports betting if they did nothing else but binge your podcasts that how much of a bettor better they would be and would agree with the statement i just made on another note johnny you have got to get rob a pinnacle hat he is getting a lot of face and it is causing a glare on the screen while watching on utube by the way i just liked and subscribed rarely do you have to like a gambling pod and i don't subscribe to pods but it's the least i could do to try and repay how you have helped me understand gambling thanks again
@Majsjsn3 ай бұрын
Bros worried about kyle but yet this dude works for thr books
@marctigges4343 ай бұрын
Get that outta your mouth !!!
@marksreviews2.0803 ай бұрын
@@Majsjsn 🤡
@shawnatkins71182 ай бұрын
45:55 "do you think this guy wins" had me in tears
@GeneseeBen3 ай бұрын
Did anyone else tune in thinking this was going to be an interview haha??
@billh_3 ай бұрын
I fell for it. Fool me once, get blocked. . .
@My_oh_face3 ай бұрын
Wait same here
@My_oh_face3 ай бұрын
@@billh_what do you mean get blocked? Who are you blocking?
@billh_3 ай бұрын
@@My_oh_face this channel in my feed. It did not sound like I'm their audience anyway. They are mouthpieces for the books.
@Danielpanza_3 ай бұрын
@@billh_how?
@RoscoeB443 ай бұрын
Kyle seems to be actually showing his model and breaking down games. More the the kind of content the avearge joe is looking for. Instead of always talking about getting limited and kicked off books which happens too a very small % of players. Its nice that you guys are that good, but can never tell us much because you can't give up your edge.
@likeclockwork7233 ай бұрын
The analogy I can think of is an AA meeting where you're getting fairly decent (or at least not harmful) advice from a speaker for a while and then they suddenly switch to a slide focusing on where the best liquor deals are
@My_oh_face3 ай бұрын
Oh nooooo…you guys are about to go in on Kyle? This is a good guy. Man I feel terrible. I congratulated him when I saw he was on an episode
@GeneseeBen3 ай бұрын
That's hilarious
@dabs75172 ай бұрын
you gotta be the biggest ass clown i’ve ever met bro🤣🤣
@tom_pretends3 ай бұрын
Johnny tryna tell me Dave portnoy opinion is worth listening to. Ouch brotha. This is not Kyle’s normal video either btw. He post good content in terms of breaking down each team and play style for nba and nfl. Just saying Kyle is not a losing bettor. This was very nit-picky. Rarely do I tail or fade Kyle’s picks but his normal videos are insightful.
@halodrunkdriver27293 ай бұрын
29:50, I agree, however doesn’t parlaying reduce your edge because of lack of line shopping? Hard to get multiple legs with the best odds, so would be harder to quantify your edge as well? Love the show as always guys.
@vodking3 ай бұрын
I have seen and played many instances of the best lines on the same book in a parlay. But your overall thought process is spot on.
@AmericanRoadWarrior233 ай бұрын
You’re right about linemakers sports. They’re really bad at betting, but they make their money by scamming.
@Living0od3 ай бұрын
yup @kylekirms they make their money off subscriptions and youtube and play 13 hours of online games lol instead of capping well for your clients lol
@AmericanRoadWarrior233 ай бұрын
I’ve talked to them. They want thousands and try to get people into contracts. They even offer “free” tshirts for signing up that they don’t even send lol I looked at their picks, they don’t even get half right and the lines are so heavily favored that the payouts aren’t worth it. So it’s always a loss. They tell you that parleys are just like lottery tickets, but their single bets are so trashy. They’re not professional betters. They’re fan maybe and they’re scammers.
@rocdittyАй бұрын
Thanks for the knowledge guys… I’m a subscriber now
@ne368732 ай бұрын
I might have misunderstood but I'm pretty sure Johnny made a mistake regarding parlays at ~30 mins. Your edge DOES compound, regardless of the fact you're able to get higher stakes down on parlays. I'm in Aus and am more comfortable with a decimal system, but as example: You have a total of $200 to put down. You have 2 legs with a 10% edge. 2.2/2 and 3.3/3 If bet singles, $100 a piece 2.2/2 EV $10 3.3/3 EV $10 $200 total staked with $20 EV Expected EV given 10% edge Now adding into a parlay (assuming no correlations affecting bookie odds given nor true odds) 7.26/6 - this is a 21% edge. You gained a free 1% (product is greater than the sum of it's parts) So EV even on a SMALLER total stake is higher $100 total staked with $21EV If you match like for like and put $200 on the parlay, you're now feasting on $42EV This compounding affect increases exponentially as you add more legs (as does the var). But it also has the same affect reversed if taking negative bets - which is the reason bookes love multis/parlays
@DJS83 ай бұрын
Couple thoughts, first of all I will say you guys did a good job with the reaction. I thought it was an interview when I first clicked tbh. That said your thought at the end about maybe he would come on, I'm sure he would. I would love to see that interview because Kyle does good content. It's like entertainment style on games, using trend angles etc. I've only recently watched his stuff but he doesn't seem to do a lot of 'educational' content. So this is one he probably just put out knowing the types of comments he would get and maybe a slow time in the sports world and to be fair from a couple years ago.. He makes more money from content than from betting imo and normally I don't like the style of his type of content but the way he does it I do like and appreciate his consistency and volume in production. fwiw I'm not tailing any of his picks or saying he's sharp or square.. Kyle would probably agree that some of what he said was a mistake, looking back but I would give him a pass, certainly much worse out there if you look for it. Instead of "how to bet for income" Kyle should put out a video 'how to produce **(entertainment style, geared towards recs..)** sports betting content for income' then, then my friends, we would have something 💡
@My_oh_face3 ай бұрын
This video that was reviewed isn’t the type of content he usually does. This is old probably from when he first started
@My_oh_face3 ай бұрын
I ride with circle off first and foremost. I think Circles Off is the industry standard for educational material but going after Kyle is fucked up man. I’m only a couple minutes in but I don’t like where this is going…
@DustinandJamieH3 ай бұрын
In all fairness, Sauce has lost a lot of weight since this video was posted.
@Danielpanza_3 ай бұрын
What’s wrong with Marty Gale?
@ne368732 ай бұрын
Another great vid - sharing your channel in my betting circles Re: losing streaks and martingale. - I used to track all my bets (now summarize given volume). But with avg true odds of 3.5 I've had many, many, many runs of 8 to 10 losses in a row. A few times have hit the 50 region. Fresh bettors truly underestimate the power of var, and how willing it is to bend you over. Tversky had some good studies on the 70s/80s about human stupidity and pattern recognition
@OfficialDavidNorris2 ай бұрын
Crazy... ive placed 3,274 bets since 2021. And never lost 7 in arow. Lost 6 in a row twice though. Ive won 14 in a row once and 13 in a row once as well. Been tracking since feb 2021. On god. Everybody is different. Also only play NHL. NBA. NCAAF and NFL. And avoid baseball, soccer, golf, racing, ufc etc
@ne368732 ай бұрын
Nice level of tracking there man! and thanks for sharing that. You're right, a lot of people have different experiences. I primarily hit racing (gallops/trots/dogs) and tend to get off 400-600 bets a weekend, so maybe be a sample size thing or just higher variance built into the animals for whatever reason, haha. You might also be more sensible taking edges on lower odd lines, which would significantly reduce your var. Just had a look at one account I had open - yesterday it had a 10 loss streak, and prior to a few earlier wins had a ~20 loss streak over thurs/fri (horses and some AFL/NRL). Albeit these bets would have had higher average odds.
@petedamilatis3 ай бұрын
re: Bigger bettors have more valuable opinions. I think it’s obviously wrong as a hard rule, as you have trust fund babies with no edge losing millions. However if you caveat that you’re looking at winning bettors, then you can assume that the person betting big has a longer track record/experience to build up their bankroll that much.
@LemonyBrisket3 ай бұрын
Gino talk got me laughing
@Majsjsn3 ай бұрын
Kyle is a good capper and runs a 🔥 discord so yah next time u wanan rag on someone mabye dont do it wearing a pinnacle hat these dudes baught and paid for just like everyone else
@rf213123 ай бұрын
Fake Johnny +150 didn’t hit.. martingaling this angle now… 😂 Great show! No clue how you’re only at 7k subs if people are serious about learning how to bet
@My_oh_face3 ай бұрын
I love circles off, I think it’s the industry standard for bringing on experts. However, they’re like the elitist of the industry and are super snobby and make fun of people that are new to the game. God forbid you don’t know as much as they do. Also, very tight lipped on any techniques with real edge. Which is all good! But that’s why they don’t have more viewers because mainstream viewers are a bit basic and want current daily picks and strategy for those picks. Circles off doesn’t give picks, they keep their picks. All for themselves. They have to win, everyone else has to lose. I feel it bro, I don’t hate the game.
@henriquebender44673 ай бұрын
What a plot twist! I laughed a lot when the martingale part began
@ryanhaines20062 ай бұрын
you reference your edge alot in this video In what ways can you quantify/calculate your edge as a bettor?
@CirclesOffHQ2 ай бұрын
Track your bets against the closing line.
@BillBondsHasAPosse3 ай бұрын
Rob listen to Cold As Life…Born to Land Hard. Thank me later.
@deleee23133 ай бұрын
Boys, a thought I had on how to maybe make these less hostile: Clearly this guy is just misunderstood in a lot of aspects of the betting space and should absolutely be guided in the right direction. Listening to his video I responded similarly to you guys by laughing and just wanting to make fun of the absurdity of what was being said. I think a better approach could be less joking around and animation which can so easily come across as you guys just clowning this guy (especially when clipped) and IMO won’t lead to any of his fans, who will come here extremely defensive, actually maybe learning something. I think maybe just laying out the logic and math of why he’s wrong without laughing at the guy could be more beneficial, but also who knows that’s just my thoughts. Great work as always gentlemen.
@wagzwagerz3 ай бұрын
These guys work for Pinnacle. FADE THESE HATERS
@CirclesOffHQ3 ай бұрын
We don't work for Pinnacle but they do sponsor our channel. We are very happy to promote them though as they are one of the few sportsbooks that give players a fair shake and don't limit winning bettors.
@wagzwagerz3 ай бұрын
@CirclesOffHQ it would have been in better taste and content if you would have invited him on.
@markusjakobsen86542 ай бұрын
How do i get the merch? Pinnacle
@My_oh_face3 ай бұрын
That’s the only thing about the industry that’s a bit sad. Everyone’s out for themselves yet there’s this underlying herd mentality. I “vouch” for circles off all the time. Just like I vouch for Kyle and the Sauce network. At the end of the day our only enemy should be the book. Unless you watched the Berryhorse episode, in that case everyone placing a bet on the same game is an enemy.
@eric.hemingway803 ай бұрын
Ya'll on Kyles nuts too much. Ya'll don't have locks like Systemplays.
@TheSystemPlayss2 ай бұрын
They don’t know
@BillBondsHasAPosse3 ай бұрын
DO NOT LISTEN TO DAVE PORTNOY ! He can afford it…that’s all, he’s about as sharp as beach ball
@BurningStar043 ай бұрын
He mentioned the Martingale system and warned that it's not something you should do if you're betting for long term success. He probably shouldn't have added it in at all. But he wasn't advocating outright for it. He basically said he has used it, and that it's a dangerous approach.
@bgoldgrab3 ай бұрын
He seriously advised to bump your unit size after a few losing days because then you're more likely to have a winning day
@BurningStar043 ай бұрын
@@bgoldgrab which is the Martingale system, which he mentioned is a dangerous way to do business.
@bgoldgrab3 ай бұрын
@@BurningStar04 he made it sound like that was completely seperate from the martingale system. He wasn't saying not to do it. He said "learn your betting patterns"
@bgoldgrab3 ай бұрын
@@BurningStar04 It's not just "dangerous", it's guaranteed to make you lose more money long term
@BurningStar043 ай бұрын
@bgoldgrab I need to go back at rewatch. I don't recall it being so closely connected.
@DustinandJamieH3 ай бұрын
make your own "how to bet for income" video, easy to tear someone else down now do it correct if this advice is so bad or work with sauce on a colab on good advice for newer bettors.
@CirclesOffHQ3 ай бұрын
Respectfully, we have countless educational episodes on "how to bet for income" even though they may not be titled that.
@ecolt03 ай бұрын
46:18 is the worst thing ive ever heard in my life HAHAHA
@marksreviews2.0803 ай бұрын
Well your life must suck 🙃
@bgoldgrab3 ай бұрын
How do you guys not blast him for saying don't replenish losses and then advise adding from your paycheck to your bankroll after a losing week
@Living0od3 ай бұрын
@kylekirms stop worrying about me and worry about making a new bankroll management video cause this one is fraudddddd
@Eship962 ай бұрын
U still crying that u got kicked? Why u so addicted to dude? Nobody misses u bozo BEGONE
@eyeandmind3 ай бұрын
Kyle said he reached out to have him on but was told you guys said you’re booked for the next couple of weeks. Would be nice to have him on in a timely response to the video.
@Living0od3 ай бұрын
nobody wants him on the show lol 😂😂
@CirclesOffHQ3 ай бұрын
Whether this is true or not, he is interested in giving his point of view and we are happy to give him the time to do so.
@KyleKirms3 ай бұрын
@@CirclesOffHQit’s definitely true. Spoke to Rob as soon as this video was uploaded. Happy to come on 👍
@Living0od3 ай бұрын
@@CirclesOffHQ Thats one thing you can take away from the man. He does break the game down really good!
@garage133 ай бұрын
martingale priming is fine
@CirclesOffHQ3 ай бұрын
Haha this is a good point
@TimMcintyre4223 ай бұрын
Oakland Raiders #54 Greg Biekert
@InnocentCabin2 ай бұрын
You actually can martindale it when your loaded? Tell me why not?
@gerardocervantes53383 ай бұрын
I thought you guys were interviewing THE MAN Kyle Kirms. Click baiting his community of 83K followers, to increase your measly 7k is cheap. Good luck, circles Off
@robpizzola22143 ай бұрын
The thumbnail says Reaction Video. The title says Reaction. I don't know what else we could have done to illustrate that this was a reaction video.
@gerardocervantes53383 ай бұрын
@@robpizzola2214 using his face on the thumbnail is CHEAP. Work on your production.
@Danielpanza_3 ай бұрын
@@gerardocervantes5338 of course Kyle’s picture is in the thumbnail. Why would you make a reaction video and not use the picture of the person you are reacting to?
@Majsjsn3 ай бұрын
1000 trying to get his viewers
@dabs75172 ай бұрын
go ahead and block me too because i know that’s what you guys will do. don’t want your subs seeing these types of comments because it takes away the little credibility that you do have
@chadcolvin94723 ай бұрын
Actually seen alot of kyles stuff he does have staff that are competent but they are by no means great altho each is ok at their respective sports with that said u guys are right horrible advice
@dabs75172 ай бұрын
“presented by pinnacle sportsbook” YEAH you guys feel threatened.
@CirclesOffHQ21 күн бұрын
You seem very upset. Kyle already responded to the video and said that it was fair, but he has come a long way as a bettor since then.
@dabs751721 күн бұрын
@@CirclesOffHQ oh yeah i’m sure that’s fine i’m not like close friends with kyle or anything just a sub of his. the fact he responded to you guys, doesn’t change the fact that you guys went out of your way to make a hour long video calling out another handicapper. that is clown shit. “he already responded saying it was fair” you guys are fucking idiots
@dabs751721 күн бұрын
@@CirclesOffHQover an hour long sorry LMFAO shouldn’t you guys be idk HANDICAPPING FOR YOUR SUBSCRIBERS🤣🤣🤣 circle jerk hq responds “nah let’s make an hour+ long video bashing another capper hey let’s even use his face in the thumbnail so people watch it since he’s more established then we are” did i nail that?
@dabs751721 күн бұрын
@@CirclesOffHQ you guys deleted my comment
@KyleKirmsКүн бұрын
@@CirclesOffHQI mean… there’s a lot of really bad information and incorrect advice in this video…I responded that way as an attempt to handle it professionally because I had no interest in making you guys look bad. I’m not that type of person.
@GoNyGoNyGo-kn2tx2 ай бұрын
You guys put out good content and don’t need to stoop to this level to get more clicks.
@davidnorris19902 ай бұрын
Been following sauce for years. He has help me pull in 242 units in 3 years. So good try. There is a reason your channel is so low
@CirclesOffHQ2 ай бұрын
242? Wow! Congratulations and enjoy retirement.
@davidnorris19902 ай бұрын
@@CirclesOffHQ I have been. Its been nice. If only i could bet on this channel permanently staying under 10k subs. Then i'd be even more rich. 🥱
@wadewilderman73063 ай бұрын
Never trust a you tuber who promotes a sport book EVER. Rule number one
@CirclesOffHQ3 ай бұрын
If you abide by laws like this that are rooted in nothing you're already up against it.
@zorg11002 ай бұрын
Lol these are such clown takes holy wow
@Gene32113 ай бұрын
🌽🌽🌽
@lochnesscapital12193 ай бұрын
A bit of nitpicking going on here….this is nothing like the syndicate idiot, Vegas Dave etc…..Reminds me of the Rob vs Darren R. panel at Bet Bash….Rob knows his stuff and has the respect, but seems to have only his opinion on how to try & educate bettors…..at least that how I perceive it.
@ikeaht3 ай бұрын
These guys are clowns. Trolling for you tube clicks lolz.
@Mikemac247843 ай бұрын
Nothing worse than trying to generate interest in your show by shitting on a hardworking guy like Kyle. C’mon guys. Your show was good without this.
@My_oh_face3 ай бұрын
Albright I’m gonna chill and watch the full episode before I comment again but if you guys are going after people like Kyle, you’re just an elitist that’s being snobby and picking on him for a podcast he did early on in his career. This is knit picking. Alright alright. I’ll chill and just watch before I assume what you’re gonna do or say…
@JS-lc4kg3 ай бұрын
if these people are winning why would they need to sell picks or even give them away on youtube? think just a little bit
@davidnorris19902 ай бұрын
The sauce dont sell picks 😂
@jg70883 ай бұрын
Player props sure way to go broke
@StroudBoyzzz3 ай бұрын
or the easiest way to win ?
@TommyDavidVerbal3 ай бұрын
What????? Those are the easiest currently
@vodking3 ай бұрын
I'm always amazed when people say this. It's literally the opposite of reality.