How to Build a HDTV Antenna - Fractal Bowtie Upgrade

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DIY Projects With Mike

DIY Projects With Mike

7 жыл бұрын

Fractals work great for attic installations in my experience. They seem to lock in that reception and overcome interference somewhat better than straight elements do. In this upgrade, the work is a bit easier when it comes to bending wire. PVC material is used in place of wood since white PVC is 100% nonconductive and weatherproof as well.
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@tnjvideos
@tnjvideos 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this. My son and I made this an afternoon project. Easy and only $5 for the transformer since we had the rest of the materials. The antenna worked great. Receive all of the major network stations now and from 50-60 miles away and without an amplifier!. Much better than the little, "amplified", flat window antenna that I tried yesterday. Thanks also for such easy to follow instructions and for including all of the dimensions. A definite home improvement victory today!
@timbylander7015
@timbylander7015 6 жыл бұрын
Best video on antennas I've seen so far. Thanks a bunch.
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 6 жыл бұрын
Tim Bylander Thanks Tim! I posted this video about a year ago. Since then I have come up with a couple more designs that work better than this one in some ways. I think it would be worth your time to check them out on my channel. You won’t regret it. Thanks again.
@darrenolsen110
@darrenolsen110 5 жыл бұрын
Really nice work and easy to follow. Thanks!!
@11cmgrah
@11cmgrah 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike! I just built a basic version with no transformer and got 7 channels. I'm planning to make one on the near future set up for further away stations.
@joe01zorn
@joe01zorn 7 жыл бұрын
I've watched dozens of antenna building videos, and not one of them mentioned that the two feed wires from opposite side of the antenna cannot touch when they cross at the top and bottom. I knew it, and expected it, and watched for someone to mention it. The ice maker tubing is a good idea. Another real nice design.
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great comment Joe. I do like this design and still have several of them in my attic. My favorite design though is the Tuxedo. Its sensitivity and range rivals the fractal bowtie. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ecxllZhe1t2-aIU.html I have all the antennas I need, but if I needed to build one for myself or someone else, it would be that one.
@sizbanga9294
@sizbanga9294 7 жыл бұрын
you have been watching the wrong tutorial then my friend I suggest you go to my friend Danny Hodges webpage and check that out
@scrapironprepper
@scrapironprepper 6 жыл бұрын
Danny is every ones friend, I like old Dano..........
@mikeblue929
@mikeblue929 7 жыл бұрын
I built this today and went from 26 channels to 42 channels with the antenna inside. Best one I have ever found that I can build myself.
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 7 жыл бұрын
Great to hear it Mike! I'll never regret my homemade antenna. It blew my store bought antenna away! :)
@mikeblue929
@mikeblue929 7 жыл бұрын
I am building another one today. I have channels scattered all over the map and I am going to try two antennas facing different directions hooked to a combiner. I get almost all of the stations from Phoenix which is 75 miles away, but only about half of the channels from Tucson because I am too close and they are in three different compass headings. I'll let you know how it works with two antennas.
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike. I built one of these and put it in my attic. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ecxllZhe1t2-aIU.html Amazing antenna as well. Will be looking forward to hearing back from you. Best of luck :)
@sizbanga9294
@sizbanga9294 7 жыл бұрын
just a suggestion sir - wouldn't an Omni directional antenna make more sense? You would lose alot of gain- also multi channel path
@babbalouie3074
@babbalouie3074 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Mike; Thanks for this information. Heading over to Lowes right now.
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 6 жыл бұрын
DANIEL HELLER MUSIC Awesome!
@scrapironprepper
@scrapironprepper 6 жыл бұрын
Very good video, I will save this one!!!!!!!!
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ironman!! :D
@floydbuster738
@floydbuster738 2 жыл бұрын
Can you explain more on the measurements and why you have to use a bow tie type of wire shape???
@fwa3387
@fwa3387 4 жыл бұрын
Is this model with 18 inch elements built for the UHF channels before the repackage? 18 inches is full wave length for 650 Mhz which is no longer in use by TV broadcasters. (614-698 MHz (channels 38-51) - 600 MHz band. The Broadcast Incentive Auction will require TV stations to vacate this band between April 2017 and July 2020. It will then be used by various wireless and broadband networks. Audio, video and pilot frequencies are for reference only.) In other words, What frequency range is this at peak reception? I built a Pennyloop with two loops at 8.5 inch diameter which does excellent in the 500-600 mhz range (favoring the lower freqs). I am going to make another Pennyloop with 7.5 diameter loops to focus on the 550 mhz to 600 mhz. Here's a link to a website discussing the diameter formula for Loops and Double Loops. www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/Loop.html copied from the text.. You can rescale the loop for your weakest channel. Use this formula : dia=4537/(6*N+389) where N is the channel number (14-69). (Plugging 36 into this formula will give you 7.5. Multiply that by 3.141 to get the total wire length.) 12 or 14 gauge copper wire is fine. Remove any thick insulation. Higher gain is possible with a double-loop (A2 on the gain graphs). However it has a narrower bandwidth. This “figure-8” antenna should look like two tangent circles, one above the other, fed at the bottom. Keep the wires a quarter inch apart at the crossover point. This formula gives the diameter of each circle : dia=4244/(6*N+389) Multiply this by 6.283 to get the total wire length.
@savonsavont5593
@savonsavont5593 3 жыл бұрын
But how STRON is the reception & is it more powerful than what I can buy on Amazon less ALL THE WORK???
@joelbagota5578
@joelbagota5578 3 жыл бұрын
Merci beaucoup
@thiruthirumalai1070
@thiruthirumalai1070 6 жыл бұрын
Can you use the same wiring on the other side as well to double up the signal strength? Does this antenna provide both uhf and vhf signals?
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the question. This antenna picks up mostly UHF signals but will pick up VHF high if the signal is strong enough. This antenna works best as it is. Adding more elements or making your antenna bigger won't make it work better. If anything, it will make it worse. This is one of my older videos that has become slightly popular. If you haven't built this antenna yet, I strongly recommend watching my latest video. It's a different design that works better than all of the antennas I've come up with. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qbOGesiEqc6RgZs.html Thanks again and take care.
@kb3svj
@kb3svj 7 жыл бұрын
The tip on laying the pipe next to the board to make a straight line was a real clever idea. I just built two bowtie antennas since I need one facing SW and SE +/-. My elements are mere > < single bend v-shaped. What is the advantage of the triangle bends over my single one bend V configuration? I'm assuming it's just a means to make the overall width narrower since the elements are the same electrical length regardless of how may bend you install. Lastly, to seperate my wires running the length of the mounting piece, I make a bend where the wires cross. I then use epoxy or hot melt glue to cover that small area. Thanks for your insight!
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment. :) When I started building antennas, I had a regular bowtie like you have. I installed it in my attic because it is a safe place away from weather. Even though I had great reception (75% or greater), since there is a lot of reflective material up there and the fact that I have a series of power lines that run right in front of my house and in back, there is a great deal of interference and my signal would go from 100% to 0% spuradically. The triangle fractals help to calm that down and bring in a consistant signal. I suppose if I put it outside above my roof top, > < would be just fine. The fractals are ideal for attic applications. Hope your antenna works well for you! :)
@kb3svj
@kb3svj 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I am able to mount mine on the outside. Thanks for the input.
@FriedShrimpPoBoy
@FriedShrimpPoBoy 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks. And geaux tigahs. So I’m guessing the transformer is where the coax screws into?
@Cliff-Notes
@Cliff-Notes 6 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@drfix2020
@drfix2020 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting! Thinking of making my own, just wondering what's the reception range of your antenna? The only change I'd do is soldering the wires.
@rayc0629
@rayc0629 6 жыл бұрын
looking at an antenna , your videos are helpful. I'm more interested in the vhf element you seem to gloss over but i have not seen very much info about the design. really want to pull in a 180 mhz tv station , possibly 65.6 in element , using calculations from another video of yours. Do you have a video focusing on the vhf part ?? thanks
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 6 жыл бұрын
I do have a couple vids on the VHF. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rtuhe9WAs9-Ukmw.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hragl9Fpqsu3kY0.html hope this helps. :)
@rayc0629
@rayc0629 6 жыл бұрын
thanks , i don't know how Imissed those...
@raymondrodriguez1766
@raymondrodriguez1766 5 жыл бұрын
Hi where do you got that pvc material that lookes like wood I have looked at lwea for that I can't find it
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 5 жыл бұрын
I got it at Lowe’s near the trim & moulding section. But not every Lowe’s store carries it. I don’t know if Home Depot has it. Hope this was helpful. :)
@joannek-j1273
@joannek-j1273 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike - My daughter is going to use your instructions to build a similar antenna for her 6th grade makers fair project. She is pretty good with hand tools and she can handle the math for calculating the wire lengths but we did have one question that just isn't very clear even after watching a few of your videos. We have a number of stations in our area operating from 210 mhz (vhf-hi) to about 596 mhz (uhf). If we want to catch a variety of stations should we have a different length of wire for each station? I understand that that the wire length for the vhf-hi station will be much longer compared to the uhf stations but should each wire for the uhf stations be customized? Thanks so much for your videos!
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 6 жыл бұрын
I have a station at 210 Mhz as well. I believe the most successful design for picking up vhf and uhf at the same time is the Tuxedo w/vhf integration kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hragl9Fpqsu3kY0.html The Tri-4 does well too and is a lot easier to build and uses less materials. kzfaq.info?o=U&video_id=X8VjHEX8czA The mini-tux was surprizing and uses the least amount of materials. kzfaq.info?o=U&video_id=Bcdt8EFNzHY The fractal bowtie (or any bowtie at that matter) is pretty much a uhf antenna and doesn't do well receiving vhf. (I didn't know that at the time I posted the video). Hope she does well with the fair project :)
@koch4022
@koch4022 6 жыл бұрын
I get so sick of all the bullshit videos that have musical intros, and all the other crap. Thanks for being normal and helpful with a build.
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 6 жыл бұрын
Koch 40 You’re welcome. And thanks for the comment. Although I do have a couple vids with intros on my channel, but they are at least short enough to get to the point.
@Fourcycle
@Fourcycle 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting thing about copper. Copper oxide is resistive. Combine that with skin effect, which increases with frequency, and it's a good idea to keep that copper shinny to minimize signal loss.
@donmaguire
@donmaguire 5 жыл бұрын
Can you leave the insulation on the wire?
@1thinkhealthy
@1thinkhealthy 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting design. How does it work compared to the one in your previous video?
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 7 жыл бұрын
As far as I can tell, it works the same as the previous just with a couple improvements. 1: pvc is weatherproof and 2: the single triangle allows for extra length in the wiskers and is a little easier and faster to bend into shape. It was originally inspired by a comment I received on one of my other videos about how wood can be conductive and cause signal loss. I'm sure there's some truth to it, but I haven't really noticed it in the wood based antennas I have still in my attic. It's nice and dry up there. I do know that pvc is definitly an improvement no matter how small. I didn't think about doing a video about just a pvc base, but when I started putting my first one together I had a thought and wondered if a single triangle would work. It certainly does. Thanks for your comment Lambert and have a great day :)
@sizbanga9294
@sizbanga9294 6 жыл бұрын
Used vinyl hollow one by three or 2 x 4 for material to hell with PVC
@jdnewsome1247
@jdnewsome1247 7 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me what area inside Lowes has the PVC Material ? I've looked at my Lowes store here and didn't see anything like that yet. Thanks
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 7 жыл бұрын
I found it in the building materials area. It's called pvc board. An employee might help you find it. It's textured on one side but I used the smooth side for the antenna.
@jdnewsome1247
@jdnewsome1247 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Just an FYI I built a Gray Hoverman based off Danny Hodges KZfaq video. It works well, I did have a bowtie and the Hoverman seems to give better performance for me. I'b be interested if you tried to compare fractal to the hoverman ?
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 7 жыл бұрын
Is your Gray Hoverman mounted outside above your house? Does it get channels that the bowtie doesn't? Was your bowtie a copper wire or coat hanger? Was it the standard specs? Just curious. I thought about building a G.H., but I keep my antennas in my attic and wasn't sure if it would fit up there.
@jdnewsome1247
@jdnewsome1247 7 жыл бұрын
I mounted my antenna off my deck, not the best location because broadcaster towers come from other side. I need to move up onto the roof eventually. GH has copper wire mounted to PVC mast. My Bowtie was galvanized wire mounted on PVC mast. Both have a reflector. The GH antenna pulls in more channels and strong signal. IDK if the copper wire makes the difference or the antenna design ?
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 7 жыл бұрын
I don't know if there is a difference between the two materials. Copper is the only thing I've ever used. I got curious and built one last night. I like it. Good UHF antenna. Easy to build. I added VHF elements at the transformer and that worked OK. I'll have to see if it will fit in my attic to run a real test. I hope it fits. It's huge and my attic is small.
@raymondrodriguez1766
@raymondrodriguez1766 5 жыл бұрын
I wan't to put it on the back porch 20 feet high but i got to make it
@wavetele87
@wavetele87 4 жыл бұрын
is it work in India?
@lwaters3100
@lwaters3100 4 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why the fractals work than the plain Vs (or bow ties). If it's surface area, then why not add more rows---5 or 6 or more? Why does it have to cross at the top & bottom & be parallel in the middle? Why not cross at all junctions. Or none?
@davidsnyder8947
@davidsnyder8947 3 жыл бұрын
I tried this design and it did not work as well as the star shape. I'm also in Baton Rouge. I'd like to see your wire bending technique.
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 3 жыл бұрын
The Tri-4 (super easy to build) might be a better antenna and will save you a LOT of wire bending and it works quite well. HDTV Antenna SUPER EASY Great Performance
@raymondrodriguez1766
@raymondrodriguez1766 5 жыл бұрын
we only have one lowe's here in San Diego cal home dopo does not have that
@raymarks1243
@raymarks1243 6 жыл бұрын
how does this antenna compare in gain to a yagi?
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 6 жыл бұрын
Ray Marks Thanks for your question. Unfortunately I have never used a Yagi or any other store bought antenna (except a cheap RCA that I used to experiment with in the beginning). Sorry I can’t answer your question.
@joybrahma4837
@joybrahma4837 6 жыл бұрын
Sr.... Will it work in remote area like 220 kilometer far from main city capital?
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 6 жыл бұрын
Can't promise it. That distance will pose a challenge for any antenna
@oklifrederick3523
@oklifrederick3523 3 жыл бұрын
Probably not unless you can get the antenna up extremely high (like 30 meters) then you'll need some sort of line loss amplifier.
@deelson730
@deelson730 7 жыл бұрын
My husband said the shape of the wire doesn't matter. The length does, is he correct? Also, he said that copper with corrode when left outside and that I should use a large gauge galvanized wire instead. What is your choice?
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 7 жыл бұрын
If you plan on having your antenna outside, galvanized is in my opinion a good choice. I keep my antennas in my attic so I know they won't get struck by lightning. The length matters depending on the frequency of the station you value the most. When I first started using these antennas, I built a regular bowtie (V shaped) but the interference was too strong and all my channels would cut out and pixelate no matter how strong the signal was. It was'nt until I added the fractals that the interference was reduced dramatically so in my experience, shape does matter in an attic situation. At least mine. The triangles are bent at 60 degress. There are other antenna designs that use 30 degree and 90 degree bends. But what works for me may not work everybody. For outside situations, the triangles may not be nessesary at all. My best advice to you would be for you to experiment with it a bit trying new things. Hope this helps. :)
@deelson730
@deelson730 7 жыл бұрын
I'm having problems getting RF Channel 39. I can get RF channels 27 and 40 just fine. I placed a deflector which helped the signal strength but still can get RF channel 39. I installed a preamp up on the pole. Any Ideas.
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 7 жыл бұрын
RF 39 could be a station that transmits at a lower power than others or it is farther away. RF 39 frequency at 620 - 626 would be best reveived with a 19 inch element. The Tuxedo also does well for distant stations. The Gray Hoverman does too. To find info for the station: www.fcc.gov/media/television/tv-query
@spitfiredon
@spitfiredon 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Can I use speaker wire, I've got a lot of it?
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 4 жыл бұрын
Speaker wire should work just fine. May be a little flimsy though. Hope it’s stiff enough
@spitfiredon
@spitfiredon 4 жыл бұрын
I decided to go with clothes hangers
@mre4u2
@mre4u2 6 жыл бұрын
Do you need a certain type of tv for this type of antanne to work?
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 6 жыл бұрын
Modern flat screen tvs are digital and is all that is required. Once your antenna is connected, you'll need to go into your tv's settings and select "ANTENNA" then run a channel scan. Thinking about making the switch? Or have you already?
@mre4u2
@mre4u2 6 жыл бұрын
Followed your video, scanned for channels, got no channels. Flat screen LG TV, 3 years old. When scan finished it indicate it found 32 channels. Will try again, I must be doing something wrong. Thanks!
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 6 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that Ed. It sounds like it found the channels that you should get but doesn't display them. Scratching my head here. Hope you find the issue. Owners manual perhaps. :(
@billwatey2856
@billwatey2856 4 жыл бұрын
Hey. Is a reflector necessary?
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t use a reflector on any of mine but I don’t need to. But not saying it’s not necessary for all.
@fractalantennas3241
@fractalantennas3241 7 жыл бұрын
Michael, wood is a poor choice for RF, so you were smart to switch to PVC. But CPVC is better for RF than PVC. Enjoy!
@sizbanga9294
@sizbanga9294 6 жыл бұрын
Actually vinyl fencing material is best. A 2 ounce 1" x3".
@williambotts635
@williambotts635 6 жыл бұрын
why is wood not as good?, isn't the wires what pulls in the stations?
@gozillatrade5178
@gozillatrade5178 5 жыл бұрын
Wood may contain moisture or absorbs ambient moisture and may retain it for a while. At one time it was a live tree which had moisture.
@n.santra3585
@n.santra3585 2 жыл бұрын
Why not use the wire insulting sheath that just removed from wire as insulation for connecting wires.
@mikeb8610
@mikeb8610 7 жыл бұрын
thing of it is I live in a valley any suggestions
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 7 жыл бұрын
That's unfortunate Mike. Try to get as high as you can. You might need a signal booster as well.
@sizbanga9294
@sizbanga9294 6 жыл бұрын
I respectfully disagree. I have built a custom antenna and live in the valley and I receive 66 channels in the boondocks
@jeffs7915
@jeffs7915 7 жыл бұрын
Is the bow-tie still 18" ? The first bend is 3" from center then 4 1/4" according to the video, but the first bend appears much larger than the second, and the last 2 parts appear the largest. What length of wire are you using, and is that length based on analysis of the stations wavelengths near you ?
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 7 жыл бұрын
18" and yes this works great for the stations in my area but is a pretty good middle-ground length.
@sizbanga9294
@sizbanga9294 6 жыл бұрын
What do you think of these gentlemen using these gigantic 30 to 40 inch bowties for VHF?
@johnhippisley9106
@johnhippisley9106 7 жыл бұрын
You should build a reflector to put behind the antenna
@sizbanga9294
@sizbanga9294 7 жыл бұрын
I could not agree more my friend
@mikeblue929
@mikeblue929 7 жыл бұрын
The problem is I am out in the boondocks and get channels from both Phoenix (about 75 miles), and from Tucson (about 40 miles). If I put on the reflector I lose either Tucson or Phoenix without being able to rotate the antenna.
@DP-hy4vh
@DP-hy4vh 4 жыл бұрын
Reflectors make the antenna directional and you have to rotate the antenna toward the TV stations you want to pick up.
@stuszith
@stuszith 7 жыл бұрын
hhmmm-would these tennaes work with60 mile conditions and tree blockage??
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 7 жыл бұрын
Possibly. Of course the higher the better. If the fractal bowtie does'nt do the trick, you might check out the Tuxedo. It does a little better with distance and is one of the videos on my channel.
@oklifrederick3523
@oklifrederick3523 3 жыл бұрын
There is no need to bend the elements all funky like that. It won't help reception.. probably hurts it honestly. All you need is 1 single element dipole horizontally polarized and a reflector if you want any kindve directionality to it otherwise it'll pickup in 2 directions very well.
@andyhowlett2231
@andyhowlett2231 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. All this fractal stuff is just to make people think it's special. Straight wires are the best.
@ahmedali3049
@ahmedali3049 5 жыл бұрын
mmtaz
@richlofton
@richlofton 4 жыл бұрын
Geaux Tigahs
@raymondrodriguez1766
@raymondrodriguez1766 5 жыл бұрын
we only have one lowe's here in San Diego cal home dopo does not have that
@DIYProjectsWithMike
@DIYProjectsWithMike 5 жыл бұрын
Where do you plan on mounting your antenna?
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