Excellent! Thanks for speeding it up where you did... makes for a clean, clear video on how to make a cedar bow without boring us to death. Excellent instructions, demos... love it!
@clayhayeshunter3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@sessary3 жыл бұрын
@@clayhayeshunter Btw, LOVED the sinew backing demo... it answered a number of questions I had about the process.
@robertopinzani67744 жыл бұрын
Nice to see the way you use( and me too😁) to work with draw knife, stave pointed against the base of the wall and on the belly , simply sitting on a chair, old way school , no shaving horse needing 👌 quick and natural. With body control of the stave, feeling the wood on the arms and with the body,, yea bro . Natural way for natural production
@AFCAWorldBodybuildingArchive5 жыл бұрын
Now THAT is an awesome video. Love the simplicity! 💪
@andreasporch788 Жыл бұрын
I made cedar bow no backing shoots great.
@landonsweetin1333 Жыл бұрын
How is it still working?
@TheSunnyTrails5 ай бұрын
I bet that bow smelt soooo good when you where carving it
@davidchuyma97832 жыл бұрын
The fast motion cutting is really satisfying
@literaryartist15 жыл бұрын
This is awesome. Enjoyed every minute of it
@christiangiancamilli26816 ай бұрын
Please make the eastern woodland powathan bow and the plains lakota short bow!❤❤❤❤
@kimcurtis93664 жыл бұрын
The Native People of this Continent had thousands of years to perfect the sinew backing technique! It works very well and can make a short, horse bow extremely heavy and can actually send a hunting arrow completely through a Buffalo! The really great thing about sinew backing is that it will continue to strengthen the bow for over a year, as it continues to dry! Native People used to hang the sinew backed bows in the smoke from the fires in the Tipi. It worked well and after a year or so, it would be completely dry ans ready to string and use! It should be strung and used every few weeks as it dries! I have a 40 inch bow that would have been a hunting bow in the old days that was made by my Shoshone adopted son that is so strong that I can no longer draw it! I have been disabled by a disease that eats the cartilage from every joint and it keeps me from drawing any bow, anymore! The now he made me draws at about 85 pounds and there is no way that anyone I know can draw it to full draw! With this kind of bow, you want to be sure to warm it up by rubbing it and drawing it a little at a time until it is ready to be drawn to it's full draw!
@clayhayeshunter4 жыл бұрын
Sinew is amazing stuff!
@strongholds123 жыл бұрын
All diseases are due to over toxic body and malnutrition
@davidschartung63892 жыл бұрын
@@strongholds12 you couldn't be more wrong
@strongholds122 жыл бұрын
@@davidschartung6389 false
@aashique6292 жыл бұрын
This is my most liked bow in your collections😍
@znunofficial4709 Жыл бұрын
as an osage who lives in Ni-u-kon-ska, i love to see a cedar bow!
@krunopandzic12475 жыл бұрын
Great video in the series. Love the nature and the catel in the backgroun. Nice work Clay can't wait to see the arrow heads 👍
@Tradbow855 жыл бұрын
Man I am so impressed how effortless you made this look. I want an ERC bow bad but mine seem to explode. Hardest wood I've tried working with.
@clayhayeshunter5 жыл бұрын
I’ve had a few blow up. It’s a brash wood but makes a quick shooter!
@user-gy9xn7sv4v8 ай бұрын
@@clayhayeshuntercan u use sinew from ribs or is that a different type of membrane
@hunter.14 жыл бұрын
A masterpiece. greetings from Brazil
@clayhayeshunter4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@joshuac67964 жыл бұрын
Hahaha you've been hanging out with Gill too much. I watch his videos and end up building crazy stuff.
@williambeatty2675 Жыл бұрын
Thank You you have helped me out greatly appreciate.
@DanielSmithForge5 жыл бұрын
Great videos as always, thanks for the many years of knowledge
@user-un9ix9zd8b9 ай бұрын
You do not disappoint brother. Your Alone adventure was awesome but your videos are the best. I have harvested the sinew of three deer here in Arkansas and after watching your cedar bow build I am fixing to go cut down one of our many cedars here in the ranch and try my hand at bow building. You are truly an inspiration, love you brother.
@jameslovelace88282 ай бұрын
I like it!
@aaronluna43415 жыл бұрын
Hey Clay, part two of this little adventure it looks like! The bow turned out lovely. Saw that you didn’t lay it on the tillering board but instead floor-tillered which is true to a primitive situation, or survival situation. Hell, i’ve caught myself looking in mirrors checking tiller but their ain’t no mirrors growing in the woods! Haha. I don’t think you mentioned the draw weight? What was she pulling? I’ve built a few juniper/cedar sinew backed bows, one of which had an elk rawhide backing ON TOP of the sinew. Lot’s of mass added but it was durable, minus use in heavy rain. Really easy wood to work. Anyways, I hope I get to see the hog hunt video coming up. Wish I could get out for that but i’m busy lately. Cheers!
@jonathanwolfe25552 жыл бұрын
Love what you do and how you do it. You make by far the best and most comprehensive videos. Love how you hunt with the bows you make, exactly the way it should be. When I make a bow a little piece of me is in every one and I think this is true with every Bowyer. Once again Love your body of work man.
@StephenS-20242 жыл бұрын
All I want is the present and a bow. 🙂
@toxophilecute15 жыл бұрын
Oh, my God. I love this video!
@Soviless994 жыл бұрын
i always thought eastern red cedar was too brittle for bows. thank you so much for giving me this knowledge
@michaelduncan21514 жыл бұрын
Sovilesd99....THATS WHY YOU BACK EM....!!!
@flightlesschicken77694 жыл бұрын
It's actually regarded as one of the best bow woods. Some people even say it can be used in place of Yew. It's in the same category as Yew and Osage Orange it seems. Although it is better backed, it can be made into a pretty good selfbow as well.
@Soviless994 жыл бұрын
@@flightlesschicken7769 how does it compare to the juniper ishi used? i thought they were closely related but for some reason thought ERC was poor bow wood in general.
@flightlesschicken77694 жыл бұрын
@@Soviless99 They are very closely related and they probably make very similar quality bows. I don't know exactly how they compare, but all junipers make great bows. Some make better bows than others but they are all very good. For some reason (perhaps because of its prevalence, beauty and excellent properties) ERC is discussed separately from other junipers. Or it could just be that many people don't know it is a juniper due to its name. The main problem with ERC bows (it seems from what I read) is it's somewhat hard to find a suitable piece--due to knots and pins--and it is not a beginner bow maker's wood. It apparently needs to be treated right or it might break explosively. But if treated right it makes fantastic English Long Bows, that are very light, have good durability and shoots quite fast. Properties of the tree also likely vary with growth condition, so it's possible that some condition yield bows that are more likely to break than others. That answer your question? Edit: I do think I have read about inexperienced bow makers making good bows out of ERC, but I still believe it is a fantastic bow wood for someone who knows how to make bows. Sorry for typing so much as well
@Soviless994 жыл бұрын
@@flightlesschicken7769 yes thank you! i will keep my eyes open for an ideal piece of ERC. i think maybe id try to find a nice piece for a short bow. i read somewhere that even today in western united states, theres juniper trees whose limbs are missing strips from their upward growing branches (natives utilizing the natural reflex of the juniper branches!!)! also i think it would be interesting to even get creative and utilize splices etc to join two short but good pieces of ERC due to the irreularities!
@user-en6yl3tg7k11 ай бұрын
That is really cool
@surviveplusbushcraft56505 жыл бұрын
You have incredible skill with the hand tools and way more patience than me. Great work!
@clayhayeshunter5 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@rcorn1492 жыл бұрын
Vantastic Tks Wyo
@IAmPaulBunyan19784 жыл бұрын
Awesome video... Awakened my inner Karankawa... I may try this with Huisache.
@slingshotwarrrior81055 жыл бұрын
Fine craftsmanship
@user-mb4se6km5p5 жыл бұрын
This is awesome video.i just started a shaggy bark juniper takedown bow yesterday.i will reflex and sinew back it.
@gregspangler51552 жыл бұрын
looks good though
@archerdavid83753 жыл бұрын
really love it...
@ripfletching5 жыл бұрын
Good video I’m planning on building a cedar now maybe this winter
@esben1813 жыл бұрын
I have eastern redcedar trees everywhere. Did not know they were suitable for bow making!
@clayhayeshunter3 жыл бұрын
Nice 👍
@nakoawarrior31863 жыл бұрын
When its sunny and 90 degrees cut down a sassafras tree,.....it will flip and flop and twist. It literally will turn in to propeller wood right in front of you you can watch the bark twist.
@grejen7113 ай бұрын
Hmm... I live on the wet coast and all we have is western red cedar and fir. The cedar tends to grow with a spiral grain. Still, might make a decent bow if properly backed.
@jeromycooley-outwestadvent57904 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! I learned a lot. Very clear information. Thank you! Just out of curiosity about what is the draw weight?
@Soviless994 жыл бұрын
id wrap the nocks with sinew completely
@edwardchance25435 жыл бұрын
Very cool thanks for the great video
@allamerican47265 жыл бұрын
Awesome bow build, you make it look easy
@clayhayeshunter5 жыл бұрын
Been at it for a long time.
@SFarling5 жыл бұрын
Great video Clay!
@mattobelix215 жыл бұрын
Hi clay Do you ever have any issues with gluing backings after heat straightening with oil? Regards
@clayhayeshunter5 жыл бұрын
No, I always scrape away whatever wood has been oiled. Jus light scraping will do it.
@mindydosztan1392 жыл бұрын
Yeah oil mixed with gour isn't good glue doesn't holdup right it slipped on ya think about it oil makes every thing slippery its gonna do the same with glue yaknow
@jamesdoehler98703 жыл бұрын
Fiberglass drywall tape is a good backing too , use titebond waterproof glue and three layers of the tape try it sometime 👍
@clayhayeshunter3 жыл бұрын
Great tip!
@lammertkruger19255 жыл бұрын
Hi Clay, when will you post your video of this bow on your hog hunt?
@caseysmith5442 жыл бұрын
I live on the western edge of the Eastern Red Cedar range so yeah I want to try to do a bow out of the tree even if in South Dakota the Eastern red cedar or the juniper are small with both in South Dakota could make for a great bow and using the Rawhide from a large dog bone soaked in water for a few days about 2--3 depending on the size is the cheapest way to get a bow like this. I would try to first smoke the wood in a smoker to take some of the moisture out before working on the bow if harvested right from the tree.
@tnoutdoors38202 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what i planned on doing, with the dog bone
@caseysmith5442 жыл бұрын
That bow is one of Kramer Ammons most used bows besides another one he had before he started making bows, not sure the model. So much he made a nearly exact copy that got cut and used for a crossbow build cutting off middle part of the unfinished handle.
@tnoutdoors38202 жыл бұрын
@@caseysmith544 I've seen that video as well I have a dog bone that I specifically for a cedar bow
@caseysmith5442 жыл бұрын
@@tnoutdoors3820 Yeah they are easy to find too unlike the rawhide for bow making that right now is harder to find due to people in 2020 making bows due the the quarantine, not that it is that hard but you know. I just said what I would use some of the little piece of rawhide with my own thoughts as well as the cut off edges for.
@tnoutdoors38202 жыл бұрын
@@caseysmith544 yeah and a whole lot cheaper also, about 2 to 5 dollars compared to somewhere past 20 dollars
@blubberboy18973 жыл бұрын
I could smell this video 😆
@clayhayeshunter3 жыл бұрын
Haha 😆 it does smell good!
@charlesjames6025 жыл бұрын
The speed up😆😂🤣 awesome man. Cool stuff.
@jacobwhite8204 Жыл бұрын
Did you thin down the sapwood and chase a growth ring
@ellismidkiff61173 жыл бұрын
So that’s what the holes in crocs are for.
@jorgecamaragirona87565 жыл бұрын
You’re a beast!!
@davidrose4153 жыл бұрын
I am about to make a persimmon bow slightly recurved. I've seen some other people did that the wood is simply beautiful. I am going to reinforce the knocks with deer antler. I intend to make cedar arrows with turkey fletch and 1095 broad heads made from railway spikes sinched in with sinew. It is going to be an adventure on the arrows as I have never made arrows from scratch.
@clayhayeshunter3 жыл бұрын
Persimmon makes a good bow!
@davidrose4153 жыл бұрын
@@clayhayeshunter I haven't made a bow in 15 years. I've shot archery seriously for 35 years, but got into compound and stopped learning to make my own (self taught by trial and error, no books or teacher). Now I am watching your videos to fill in the blanks before I cut down this tree. From what I have found I can split and stave the trunk to a near finished bow, then dry it over a fire and fire temper the bow after I dry it.
@vincezito35478 ай бұрын
Cedar has high compression strenth right . One of those woods that pairs well with sinew backing. Or am i misrembering
@ssrhythm69234 жыл бұрын
This is one of my favorite bow build vids of yours. I've got a ton of Juniper available to me here in WY, so I am going to mix a couple of Juniper builds in between Osage projects. I will definitely be trying to reproduce that ELB design in your vid, but I also want to try to make a skinny handle flat or paddle bow with recurves, as I think it could be a beautiful, sweet, and screaming hunting machine if done correctly. You mention that a flat bow design would work...do you have any recommendation on limb width/bow length for a flatbow of Juniper that would offer a respectable amount of durability and performance if done well? Any recommendations/tips/warnings regarding bending in recurves/reflex to the tips? Thanks.
@TheHuntingSpot2 жыл бұрын
Good luck finding anything straight out of juniper
@fred77055 жыл бұрын
Great vid good tips!
@trooper222111 ай бұрын
Clay, what was that packet of stuff u put in to the bowl with water, to dip sinew in to?
@waaagh32035 жыл бұрын
Shit, I bet I could leave a stave out for a week if there are no storms and have it really dry up here in Montana. We're like a high desert here.
@mindydosztan1392 жыл бұрын
Ik its crude but especially in a survival situation you deffiently ain't having anything with you to back it but in theory you could leave the bark on as a backing bc that's what the bark does naturally stretches and compresses you should try and do that sometime just leave the bark on for a backing to see if it'll work ok bc that's the best backing in a survival situation yaknow what I mean
@traviscline2098 Жыл бұрын
How thick was the handle? Did it bend through the handle?
@lanpher7charlie5 жыл бұрын
Good video, i did however notice the crocks lol
@clayhayeshunter5 жыл бұрын
Love ‘em!
@timothydavey75692 жыл бұрын
Did you sand the bow at all?
@playlistkurniawan23183 жыл бұрын
I still don't know what the best option tree in my country to make a bow
@jak07315 жыл бұрын
I love the video, no doubt about it. I'm just curious about the haunting and almost howling sounds when it's sped up... it's like the video was haunted by ghosts!
@clayhayeshunter5 жыл бұрын
Some are cattle. Some is an atv.
@jak07315 жыл бұрын
@@clayhayeshunter well that makes sense lol I guess it should have been pretty obvious
@wendyyoder93685 жыл бұрын
Nice
@rickymathis82233 жыл бұрын
Hey clay do you put a little shelf on the bow or do you shoot off you hand.Great video my friend.
@clayhayeshunter3 жыл бұрын
This bow has no shelf but usually I do cut one.
@wendyyoder93685 жыл бұрын
Teach me thy ways
@viorage22932 жыл бұрын
As you mentioned, you took some material off the back for aesthetics. I've been reading to always leave the back alone for more strength, is that true?
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
That’s true for an unbacked bow. But since this one is sinew backed, it doesn’t matter.
@joshuagore90224 жыл бұрын
Hey Clay you can get rawhide from dog bones put the bone in a cooler of water and let it soak over night then you got some rawhide just cutting that stuff is a pain
@mohamadsyamilsazali48335 жыл бұрын
Mr Hayes, does caedar wood goes well with bamboo backing can't get sinew in my place, great video btw
@clayhayeshunter5 жыл бұрын
Bamboo and hickory both work well.
@nobodysonofpeleus3421 Жыл бұрын
hey Clayes, Wonderful video. does the backing make the bow much more resistant to breaking? the way you pulled back that far made me feel very unease haha. from time to time iam building crossbows using yew wood for the prods. and for some reason I often have yew bows that break. would sinew backing help mitigate that?
@JDA-88 Жыл бұрын
I love cedar, however my last attempt making a bow shattered and I gave up 🤣 went to hickory
@clayhayeshunter Жыл бұрын
It’s a bit temperamental 😜
@Macovic2 жыл бұрын
I think junioer was grandpa choice. If the natural back is left (no back flattening), do one really need sinew?
@vincentearl76842 жыл бұрын
Would horse bandages work for wrapping the sinu on a bow
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
Probably
@Oskarius845 жыл бұрын
Can I use sinew strings as long as my bow? I've heard that they may break and that it's better to use shorter bundles that kinda overlaps each other along the back of the bow.
@TheJonny22004 жыл бұрын
Oskarius84 id save the long ones for a bow string
@breaulenny4 жыл бұрын
How do you mke the glue? Great video
@elliottlemire15375 жыл бұрын
How dose the wood not split in the hot box from drying so fast?
@danilosteinke5 жыл бұрын
nice man, thanks for sharing.
@arnaulpujol84392 жыл бұрын
Esta bueno de que madera es el arco saludos de Bs As
@los_os36283 жыл бұрын
ты кокой клей использовал
@Sebastian-kl1mn3 жыл бұрын
Hi man! I found a couple of days ago a juniper bush stem that I thaught perfect for a wooden bow. I've finished building it and are now stretching it out as it's dryes on day 3. I was wondering if you could give me some guidence by mabey looking att pictures of it and and give some advice on how not to make it break. Thanks beforehand and cheers from Sweden.
@jamesunderdal89762 жыл бұрын
Why does the cedar bows need to be backed? Because its brittle or will crack when drawn or does backing it give it more spring for shooting the arrow harder?
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
It’s a brittle wood
@jamesunderdal89762 жыл бұрын
@@clayhayeshunter ok thanks I love your videos man been watching for awhile now.
@bryonguenther61995 жыл бұрын
The best video series I have seen! Awesome! I love Eastern red Cedar, I have a bow that I built that is my interpretation of a paddle bow, it is 58 inches long knock to knock. I don’t have a boat scale so I never weighed it, but it sure seems to shoot great! Mine is all sapwood because I read somewhere that the hardwood is no good.
@clayhayeshunter5 жыл бұрын
In my experience there is little difference between heart wood and sapwood in ERC. Other than the color.
@bryonguenther61995 жыл бұрын
That’s good to know! Thank you for your Great videos!
@TheHuntingSpot2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't you be concerned about the bow twisting when you put it in the dry box?
@ndubstar2 жыл бұрын
How much sinew is used on the bows? Is it by ounces weight of sinew?
@chasonhayes4352 жыл бұрын
What was the thickness of the stave when you began layout?
@takeshimizuho66805 жыл бұрын
What glue are you useing, I saw people use warm hide glue but yours looked rather cold? great Video!
@clayhayeshunter5 жыл бұрын
It’s warm.
@jassonkhoo12234 жыл бұрын
That's what i call a stave alright
@spetsnaz15415 жыл бұрын
Thankyou Clay Hayes. Great videos. What do you use for bowstrings?
@clayhayeshunter5 жыл бұрын
This one will get a sinew string. That video will come in two weeks.
@gregspangler51552 жыл бұрын
put some horn tips on it
@Duckhunterbow5 жыл бұрын
Will the piece of string you used to tie the center down during backing slide out after the sinew is dry, or do you just trim the ends and leave a small piece under the sinew?
@clayhayeshunter5 жыл бұрын
I used a small sinew string and trimmed the ends to leave it in place. If you use waxed bow string material you can pull it out when the sinew is dried.
@nuttynate7972 жыл бұрын
How much sinew is needed for this? Is that multiple deer worth of sinew?
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
Yes, maybe 3 deer or one elk.
@fsfahri92552 жыл бұрын
Is that just a water and pack of gelatin ?
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
Yep
@billkinman36435 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this video Clay. Is there any way to estimate the amount of sinew it took to back that bow?
@clayhayeshunter5 жыл бұрын
I think about 8-10 whitetail back sinews would be plenty.
@Morrow451054 жыл бұрын
@@rayjones463 have you finished any? just harvested some pig nut n wonder how its worked for you?
@keithmosley50022 жыл бұрын
Clay is this cedar different than what we have here in south fla?
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
This is eastern red cedar. Juniperus virginiana. I'm not sure what species you have down south. Might be the same.
@bonesstones65845 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Did you groove the back of the bow?
@clayhayeshunter5 жыл бұрын
No. Just scraped it with the knife a little.
@ChrisJohnson-br2le3 жыл бұрын
Just curious, how much do you sell your bows for?
@David354455 жыл бұрын
Really enjoying this series. Just finished tillering a red oak board bow to your design. I initially had about 2 inches of back set in it but neglected to tie it in a form when I did the raw hide backing. When that raw hide dried I went from 2 inches of back set to about 1/2 inch belly set. Not a big deal in my mind but in your opinion what will the cons be from this? BTW the oak was perfectly quarter sawn, Big Box store score! Oh, and how long should I make the string on a 70 inch bow with knocks set 1/2 inch from the tips?
@clayhayeshunter5 жыл бұрын
A bow with a little string follow will just be a little less efficient than one with back set. All else being equal. Not a big deal. For the string, measure nock shoulder to nock shoulder and subtract 3 inches.
@mattcrowl60352 жыл бұрын
Hey Clay do you sell any of your self made bows. I can make a bow myself and I collect traditional bows, but I'm a big fan and think it would be really cool to add a Clay Hayes bow to my collection. I usually aquire a bow and then harvest an animal with it and then retire the bow on the antlers of the animal I harvested it with up on the wall. Please let me know!
@Makete1005 жыл бұрын
Do you have to follow the growth ring on the back of the bow?