I hope one day Jan gets an Ian Davis level mechanical pinky.

@@mf-- yeeees!!!

Hell yeah vesc onewheel ogs :)

But where did you get a hub motor? Aren't these built with FM's hub anyway?

@@ac.creations floatwheel.com once had a pint sized kit with controller, hub motor, rails, footpads and battery But these now they only sell their new "adv" series which should be a GT killer But other than that I belive spintend sells a hub motor as well

That last sentence was the most important for me haha

I know I’m late to this comment but this is really reassuring! I just ordered the makers pev Foc kit and I can’t wait to build up my board! Planning to jam a 19s2p pack into the badger torquebox.

Yea it just takes a willingness to tinker, and not be afraid to burn some money if you burn out something. That said I feel like having a FM board to compare my tuning to really helped me figure out what worked for me and what didn't and really nail my tune.

I want to say in addition to this, the discord channels and subreddits for onewheel, funwheel (fungineers), and the vesc project are amazing resources that you should check out!

yeah I'm the same way. all the problems described here are just working with the existing platform. I built my own electric mountainboard but now I think I want to move onto making one of these.

hopefully at most your own...

@@quinnfoster1234 just imagining absolute mayhem of this guy rolling around swinging a flail at passers by haha

Same here. Cant afford a onewheel on a college budget though 😢

The problem isn't the fundamental creation of the battery pack. I can do that. In fact I HAVE done that before. The challenge is fitting the battery pack within the frame. THAT is the wall we're already running up against. A 20s2P pack is just a litttttttle too big, but with VERY heavy modification we got it to work.

I also wouldn't trust a lot of people to be careful enough with the batteries to build their own packs. You've got as much energy per weight in a lithium ion battery as TNT and while not as explosive, it can have very catastrophic failures.

@@SirWrender Pretty sure Mario Contino recently said he'd be temporarily building 20s2p packs. He also gave some good suggestions for BMS options but I don't know if he's providing his own kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hd6ip5Sk1LLXaas.html

With how clumsy some people are (me) and even simple soldering might not be the best idea when it comes to li-ion batteries. I'll leave it to the ones with experience who have done it before

You mean building a vesc board like soldering all the components together ? I’d love to do that

Thank you for making all of this possible!

Average max sprint speed is ~19 mph, so at that speed you can still technically run out of an accident or bump. Makes sense that would be the comfort limit for most.

@@ZacDonald yeah which is what I typically did on my traditional boards. Very good points thanks. Unfortunately this one was a slip, no running haha. Elbow straight into road. I was like the rock and people elbowd that road haha

Yeah, but now you have below the skin metal shielding 👍so if anything you can go even faster! 😎

@@xavicon64 time to unlock 5th gear 😎

If you only plan on JUST riding get a stock onewheel. If you will need ANY modifications, start Your vesc build

I'd suggest a used XR. You'd get to experience the sagginess at under 50% battery (going back to the foot control you get from riding a V1) and by the time the battery gives out, you can upgrade it and reuse a lot of your hardware.

Could be said about any means of transportation though, especially if people ride them without protection.

Consider though that most of those injuries were from tricking and distracted riding though. With any transport making smart choices is always going to be the biggest factor in safety.

Yeah it has everything you want

Interesting

Absolutely get one, it is the best purchase I've made in a while. Without having tried a VESC I would recommend getting a Future Motion board first to get used to riding. It takes so many miles to get comfortable and understand how to properly ride and they make it very user friendly, jumping in on a VESC I would think would create a more negative experience than it should.

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There's a slight risk but electrically if it's set up right it should be okay. If you use two different batteries and one of them is weaker than the other that can cause a problem. Also wiring coming out of the board is quite exposed and could be shorted so you definitely have to have a fuse.

"Charge-and-ride" as it's specifically implemented is sketchy simply because it's not how it should be done. This routes power through the control board's charging circuit while it's being used. The purpose is to use another battery in parallel, however the Onewheel prevented that so the CnR method was really a hacky compromise. The better method is to splice in another battery in parallel directly into the battery wires going into the Onewheel. THIS is how it should be done, and is fairly common practice in other PEV vehicles like skateboards and bikes. The sketch factor here comes in that you HAVE to make sure the two different batteries are at the voltage / charge level. If not, it can overload the other battery and cause a fire. If they're sync'd then there isn't an issue!

@@SirWrender "floating" voltages should match 😋

@@SirWrender Thanks for the reply Wren! I suspected as much, I was just imagining CnR might be less sketchy in a VESC with a separate circuit and a charge-only BMS. And yeah, keeping the batteries at the same voltage in VnR seems like a hassle. In any case, since my comment I've been thinking more about swappable batteries as the solution for longer rides. Mario Contino's 20s2p pack looks like it would fit between the rails, so I'm thinking a gasketed battery box lid that hinges up taking the footpad with it might be possible. Then a quick release lever (like on a mountain bike wheel) at the tail to lock it down and apply pressure to the gasket. My Little FOCer is in the mail as of today, so I'll start with a simple build and then consider getting fancy.

Anywhere! That's what's great about them. Street, dirt, mountains, doesn't matter 😁

"Corridor Conglomerate: Your corridor to a brighter future." Just don't accept contracts for hunter killer drones for an unrestive populace.

they could sell their custom tunes!

@@quinnfoster1234 i just want one pack. I'll pay a premium. Shipping to Norway is so expensive and time consuming that I'd rather just pay $500 ekstra and get it all in 1 package

Propel endeavor is better for $

They talked a bit about Louis Rossmann's videos during the last podcast talking about the Onewheel.

Did you listen/watch this podcast? This company is run by by lawyers and unfortunately those 70 or so lawsuits is holding the company back. I wouldn't be surprised if Future Motion goes kaput in less than 10 years. Louise is a great advocate for right to repair but his One Wheel rant just came off as loud and angry on a product he's never any experience with, I'd rather to people wreen & Niko who come off way more objective and actually used a one wheel.

​@@ronch182 Honestly the impression I got from this podcast is that Future Motion is the kind of company to strong arm you into only saying good things about their company if you want to maintain any sort of functional relationship with them, they clearly don't have the competence or the funds to offer proper services to their customers yet they go out of their ways to ensure you are unable to repair your own device anywhere else and create as much of an anti-repair device as they can all while holding their patents hostage, their strategies are exactly what's holding them from growing and if the company goes downhill no one is to blame but them.

@@ronch182 I recommend you watch his video with Josh Haley from Boardworks, it goes into specific details about this company. I don't understand how a lawsuit could hold any water after the board has been modified by the end user and the fault is generated by that user. Theres a consistant fanbase of who view products as a Utopia. "You shouldn't open a macbook, you shouldn't open an Iphone!" Batteries are wear components, and to brick a machine after replacing a battery is a tactic to generate revenue. You can't convince me its about safety, especially when FM could sell replacement batteries when they don't. Its about money.

@@ronch182 Did you actually watch Louis Rossmann's videos interviewing guys that specialize in repairing Onewheels? The bricking the board when the battery is unplugged is a universally criticized move of Future Motion. Try watching "A talk with Mario's Board Garage about Future Motion & the Onewheel" and "Introducing Onewheel repair wizard, Josh Haley from Fiction Factory Boardworks".

Yep! Look up the cheap FOCer. It's designed by the same person as the VESC based ESC seen in this video. It's less than $100 if you solder it yourself. The next version is releasing soon ish.

Haha so cool you mention it bcs I was doing some research about it actually ! Do you know if it’s gonna be before the end of the year or not ?

@@philou1234 you can get a little focer in the mean time ;)

You can make a vesc for sure by getting a pcb and line traces printed and soldering components on it.. you then need something that can take arguments in logic like a raspberry pi or a arduino.. and a bunch of relays .. its doable ( the first ever onewheel was a arduino board ) but not easy

Yes! People have made custom snow tyres for the XR

you can put a tube in and diy stud your tires lol

Not atm

No it won’t. The controller acts as a BMS when charging and riding. It can’t monitor the individual cells but it DOES monitor the overall voltage. So it does prevent overcharging and overdischarging.

The man. The myth. The legend. 😎👌

you have a BMS, just not in the board. That is where it is safest for the rider.

Wow, big fan!!! While I respect your opinion and most people will likely get away with not having proper protection circuitry on a batty, there is a high enough possibility that one or more of the cells voltage will diverge from the rest of the pack, that it's probably best to not recommend it. Unless you have a Analog Front-end (AFE) monitoring each cell you can't guarantee the safety of the pack. Over discharging a cell is less likely to cause a problem than overcharging will, which is what happened to me with my unprotected 12 volt auxiliary battery on my 1985 Honda xl250R electric converted motorcycle. My battery blow up while charging after about a year. I thought that I could get away with it by checking the balance of pack with a voltmeter regularly, but I went a few month without checking and boom 💥. The explosion actually dispersed most of the cells so there wasn't much left to burn and I managed to save the rest of the bike:) I understand that modular BMS systems can be pretty expensive which, is why I made my own based on the BQ76952 from TI with active cell balancing. That said, there are some cheap enough options, that it doesn't make a build prohibitive. Especially if you plan to charge overnight in your home. Again big fan, I love how you've made science cool when your have the chance in your videos! P.s. next time you are in San Francisco, come try my motorcycle, or checkout the onewheel night ride:)

@@steevethebeeve yeah external balancing regularly is the trick. It's about as dangerous as making a diy gasoline pump then if you let that go unattended in a unsafe space, that's on you.

maybe could try it

Look up the trotter. Clearly this isnt water tight argument. The parts are as easy to get as FPV drone parts if you can make one. Nobody owns the drone design.

Would rather have a Cybertruck with 20 Diy boards in the back.

You've likely long since discovered this but drain your battery to 0% and then charge it for 2 days .. balanced decks make a difference. 30,000km ridden here .

@MrDmadness I've definitely left it plugged in for many days before. But specifically i need to drain it to 0? I don't think I've been below 20 because it's just so dangerous

University of California Irvine not a bad choice

calling it a VESC is just for differentiating the DIY onewheels from the Onewheel by FM, there are different diy "brands" like floatwheel and funwheel/fungineers

@@caution0001 yes but i wouldn't be calling my drone a "betaflight" or my gps a "u-blox" or my laptop a "intel"

Here's your chance to come up with something catchy that doesn't evoke a e-unicycle and doesn't violate Onewheels trademark.

Yes yes and yes friend. Yes. 🤗

Just being self conscious…

@@SirWrender after so many years, I wouldn't think you'd still struggle with that.😅 People love you and the team and hang on your every word. From vfx to engineering and everything in between the people who sub to this channel look forward to hearing anything you have to say. 😉👌

@@KING_PHILLIP You'd be surprised how untrue this actually is in practice.

@@SirWrender aww dude :/ I didn't mean to sound abrasive. You guys got this. Much love.