This time we change the center differential in my mom's 2003 subaru legacy L 5 speed, it's the same for imprezas and 5 speed WRX's.
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@calvincooper2661 Жыл бұрын
As soon as a heard your drink of choice for working on a Subaru was Arizona tea I knew you were in the PNW. Relocated from WA to NC a year ago, I think I’ll grab myself a green tea before getting started replacing my own. Thanks for the helpful video!
@tomhargraves2 жыл бұрын
I thank you for this video. It helped me to work on my 2011 Outback 6MT center diff. I opened the center diff and simply removed the viscous coupling disks. The car now works fine. Points to note are: No need to remove the gear linkage, the linkage does not come through the front casing on a 6 speed. I needed a slide hammer to pull the center diff cover off. It's tricky to reassemble. If the center diff is pushed all the way in first, the output shaft bearing cannot pass it. They all have to be slid in together. Hope this comment helps someone with a 6 speed MT. If your car 'hops' when warm when making sharp turns, the silicone inside your viscous coupler is screwed. Unless you're going off-roading, simply remove the viscous coupler disks and reassemble.
@geton27502 жыл бұрын
Great info
@paulyokoyama7162 Жыл бұрын
Without the disks, it would act as an open diff wouldn't it? My forester is a newer model that uses the brakes to control wheel spin. I don't see why it even needs a viscous diff.
@crazyDIYguy7 ай бұрын
I almost wonder if he's putting power to the rear at all without the discs, I think he's full front wheel drive now. From what I understand those discs heat up and expand if there's differences in the front wheel spin vs the rear, putting more power to the rear adding up to 50/50 split. Open diff means front or rear differential, those can be limited slip or open, open means 1 wheel on the front spins and 1 on the back, never power to all 4.
@escalanteson74547 жыл бұрын
So glad I found your page. I have a gen 1 legacy turbo that's completely stock and have been looking to do upgrades. These videos have been helping alot!
@HackSquadGarage7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! gen 1 legacy's are our specialty haha, its a shame there isnt more content on these awesome cars, we have lots more videos coming!
@mikek.46555 жыл бұрын
Great video I’m gonna attempt it this weekend! Thanks!
@monkeyposer6 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Quick and to the point. I'm about to replace center diff #2. :) First one the snapring failed and munched the transfer gears.
@HackSquadGarage6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Ouch! that's not good, good thing its not to hard to change.
@emiliog.44322 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Takes a lot of courage to do this. Thanks for sharing.
@HackSquadGarage2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking out the channel!
@HackSquadGarage7 жыл бұрын
So happy to finally have this car fixed!
@lukestarmer11357 жыл бұрын
Hack Squad Garage, how long did the replaced trans take for the center diff to go bad? Hoping I'm not going to kick myself for not doing this the first time.
@HackSquadGarage6 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the late reply, it was bad immediately after putting the new transmission in, it was very disappointing, especially since she paid a shop to put it in almost $1700.
@seanthemon4 жыл бұрын
I just picked up an 02 WRX at the end of February and a week after owning it the center diff bearing started sounding terrible, I'm sure due to the lack of gear oil, so as long as it's basically the same process as this it shouldn't be too bad of a job. Appreciate you taking time to make a video explaining the process and parts needed
@HackSquadGarage4 жыл бұрын
@@seanthemon no problem! It should be fairly easy to fix that.
@jimmatt21796 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this very useful post, it really helped us change the center differential in our Subaru. My daughters and I tackled this job recently in 110 degree heat, we cheated a bit as we had a two post lift though and didn't bother with crawling around on the ground. However, we did find that whether lying on your back on the ground or standing under your car, holding your arms/hands above your head is still very tiring. The only plus to being on your back is when you drop a tool, is it always just lying right next to you. We did have trouble draining the transmission oil because Subaru put a T60 torx to remove the drain plug, why they couldn't just use a 3/8 or 1/2 drive square is beyond me. The entire job took us about 4 non-rush leisurely hours, an inordinate amount of time was spent locating and unplugging all the O2 sensor plugs. We had to weld an exhaust manifold bracket back together as we discovered it had broken off. As we previously had removed this engine for a clutch job, all of the exhaust bolts had never-cease on them and were easily removed. Four tips that might help the next person are: choose a day that is not over a 100 degrees, to re-drive the pins holding the transmission shift lever I set it in the tip of a 3/8 extension to reach, when separating the transmission I drove the locator pins out with a punch from the aluminum case which separated very easily and then I put them back in before reassembly, use a little bit of liquid dish soap on the metal bayonet before trying to slide it into the rubber exhaust mounts.
@HackSquadGarage6 жыл бұрын
Thanks!! that's awesome! that sounds like some pretty cool father daughter bonding time right there. and thanks for the tips, hopefully all this will save some people some headache down the line and show others most of the time you can fix it yourself on a budget!
@dyIanVII Жыл бұрын
One incredibly useful tip for separating the usually fused together rear housing; use the hooked end of a crowbar and bang against the shifter stay rod mount (the horizontal shaft if it isn't obvious), pulling the diff from a parts car was a pain in the arse and my one was straight stuck and hammering did nothing, banged on it a few times using this method and it promptly cracked free, drained the remainder of the oil, then 3 hits later it came right off.
@HackSquadGarage Жыл бұрын
Nice! That's a good idea! Thanks
@Tahu23235 жыл бұрын
that roll pin in the shifter bushing took me two days to get out. the pin was seized and had to be drilled (and I ran out of good bits so i had to get more), the bushing was then seized to the shaft from the transmission, so we used a dremel with an extension to grind it off with a wheel. It was horrible but of course yours just pops out! haha
@HackSquadGarage5 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha that's aweful! That's why I like Oregon, less corrosion
@lolggs75324 жыл бұрын
If you forget that race would it make a clunking noise? I just rwd swapped mine and welded the center diff, was running fine. Did some burnouts broke my output shaft and I think I forgot that race.
@OuRtUBe25 жыл бұрын
Hi do you know if a 2005 sti 6MT center differential will work for a 2006 sti 6MT? I understand the 2006 is expensive so im wondering if an 05 sti 6MT dccd will work for the 06 sti 6MT dccd model?
@deweygotdo35744 жыл бұрын
Great video guys. Was just wondering if you could just replace the bearing and reuse the old diff as it’s on the pricey side. I have a 2003 5spd outback and pretty sure I have a bad middle diff bearing as it makes such a bad noise. Might be more but I’ll see when I get it apart. Thanks again for the video.
@HackSquadGarage4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yeah you can replace just the bearing if the diff itself is fine, it would basically make noise all the time and not just turning.
@rigobertoordonez59532 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot, great video
@bassman0097 жыл бұрын
Well done guys, I have a six speed Legacy GT I want to change the center diff on, do you guys have any idea of the torque specs on the transfer case, shift linkage and drive shaft?
@HackSquadGarage7 жыл бұрын
Its hard to say because as far as i can tell there isnt a specific torque spec from subaru, some people say like 35-45ft-lbs but my brother asked the subaru master tech at his work and they just tighten them by hand until they stop. they arnt torque yield threads like head bolts, so as long as you have a new paper gasket you should be fine.
@thrty8street4 жыл бұрын
What were the symptoms of the car with a bad center diff?
@Xfitrynosc7 жыл бұрын
Hack Squad, My car does the clunking when turning after the car is warm and thanks to your video I am currently purchasing the parts to do this job. Only thing is that the car recently started a whirring sound after about 20 minutes on the freeway too. Did your car have that sound also? I am hoping these two symptoms are coming from the same problem. Any advice is appreciated.
@HackSquadGarage7 жыл бұрын
Ryan Araujo No problem, it's hard to say without hearing the sound obviously, but it very well could be the center differential making that whirring sound, especially if it does it after warming up like you said, it might be that bearing that the center differential rides in is worn out as well, the new differential comes with it attached already. When you take it out inspect the gears in the transfer case, the ones we took out in the video, make sure they aren't damaged or chipped, but to me it sounds like its that differential, I'd start there.
@josh___38466 жыл бұрын
Great video! How long did this take you? I may be doing this very soon.
@HackSquadGarage6 жыл бұрын
We did it in an afternoon, maybe 4 hours max including filming
@doublek4415 жыл бұрын
Great Video
@HackSquadGarage5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@ericprotsman85546 жыл бұрын
I’m in the middle of doing this and have a dumb question here: what else is holding the transmission besides that crossmember? Is it important to have a jack under it before removing the cross member? Or are the bolts into the block enough to support it?
@HackSquadGarage6 жыл бұрын
I like to have a jack under the transmission before removing the cross member and then lower is slowly, it should be securely bolted to the engine so as long as your engine mounts are not completely broken (you would notice) its fine to let it hang like we did, ive done this 3 or 4 more times since this video and had no issues. plus having the tail of the transmission hang down a bit helps to get access to all the bolts.
@miketsla41925 жыл бұрын
Hey there, great video! I have the same problem in a 2010 gen 5 manual. Do you know if the job is the same? I looked at the casing and it looks very similar. Thanks for the help!
@HackSquadGarage5 жыл бұрын
Yeah I haven't done it on a 2010 but subaru didn't really change the design of the 5 speed transfer case, it should be exactly the same.
@SKRPI-sm5kw6 жыл бұрын
Good video on this, thanks. But I'm getting some mixed signals here. So a Subie master tech told you to use a gasket on that? I recently talked to a Subie parts guy and he said absolutely no gasket because of clearance tolerance, and that they didn't even have a gasket listed for that application. He said Fuji Bond is recommended, or else Yama Bond or Honda Bond. But there are different ones. Local Honda bike dealer only has the 4, and I believe I need the HT. I've also read that 3m ultra pro 08672 can be used. As long as it's a anaerobic sealant. Any feedback on this? I need to do mine soon. And I'm NOT paying $70 for a tube of Fuji Bond.
@HackSquadGarage6 жыл бұрын
SKORPIO 69 my brother works at subaru and he spoke with a subaru master tech, he said for this year it takes a gasket only, we got the gasket from his dealership for like $8, 10k miles later and it hasn't leaked a drop so I'd say he was right.
@HackSquadGarage6 жыл бұрын
The gasket is an oem part and is exactly what came from the factory on any 5 speed. However if you split the entire transmission case there is no gasket for that just rtv. Hope this helps
@Jakeguard7 жыл бұрын
Great video. Nice visuals. I think Ill drain the transmission first though...
@HackSquadGarage7 жыл бұрын
Jacob Gardner Thanks! Haha yeah learn from our mistakes lol
@snowmanxx9416 Жыл бұрын
Iv got a 99 impreza outback sport 2.2l 5speed that had the center differential implode.... diff shaft and insides fell out after pulling off the diff cover but i believe the outside casing of the differential is stuck, cant get it too slide out.....could anyone tell me what years and models of subarus that are "phase ll" with a 3.9 FD ratio and have a compatible center diff i could use? i pulled one off of a 97 Legacy L wagon 2.2l at the junkyard just to find out that i cant use it unless i go back and yank the rear end out as well...
@HackSquadGarage Жыл бұрын
So I believe your car would have a phase 1 5 speed even though your engine is technically a phase 2 ej222. If you have that bad of catastrophic damage you might want to change the entire transmission just incase there's shrapnel inside the rest of it. But I believe the 5 speeds switched over to phase 2 in 2000 for the legacy and 04 for the impreza. What you need to do is find a transmission and write down the code on the transmission bell housing, Google that code and you can find the ratios, most 5 speed have all the same 1:1 center differential but some like the wrx has a 1.1:1 ratio center differential, so the front diff in the transmission would be a 3.9 bit the rear diff would be a 3.54. All early US legacy and imprezas should have a 1:1 center diff regardless of the final drive ratio of the car. I looked it up and 97 legacy has a 1:1 center diff and a 3.9fd ratio. So it should work just fine, Google 'subaru transmission chart' and you'll find the gearhack.com site that has all the ratios.
@Killereggman2 жыл бұрын
Couple of absolute legends, fixing mum's car still wearing the wristband from the festival, drinking tea from a can! Nice boys! What did you think of our Holden SS over that side of the ocean?
@HackSquadGarage2 жыл бұрын
Thank man, we love the holdens over here, anything LS or i6 turbo I'm into, I've only ever seen one holden hsv ute in person ever. Similar to our camaro and GTOs 🤘
@stephenhunt62534 жыл бұрын
Here's the part # for that transfer case extension gasket: 33179AA030 parts.subaru.com is goofy. They put the above as fits a 2001 Forester manual transmission, but not a 2002 Forester manual transmission. So, I took a chance (since they're the same transmission!) and bought it, and sure enough, it fits perfectly (as expected). Thanks again for your video, it was very helpful! The hardest part (by far) was pounding out and in those 2 embedded pins in the shifter linkage. Ugh... Why couldn't they have just use a bolt there?
@LarryRichelli3 жыл бұрын
Is this a 5speed manual or automatic. Thanks
@ittotaq2 жыл бұрын
How do you remove the bearing race that's stuck in the transmission? The race that goes around that little bearing on the shaft
@HackSquadGarage2 жыл бұрын
We did not replace the race, but you would need some sort of race puller slide hammer tool to get it out I'm sure
@connorsanchez95854 жыл бұрын
I have been having a similar problem with my Impreza binding at low speed turns after warmup, CVs look fine so I think it has to be the diff. After watching a ton of videos I feel confident to do this job myself but I’m relatively new to repairs (have done brakes, suspension, but not much else). How difficult would you rank this one? Never worked on the undercarriage before. I have all the tools and I can take as much time as I need as I don’t rely solely on my car to get around, so if it takes a few days it’s not a big deal.
@HackSquadGarage4 жыл бұрын
Overall it's pretty easy, if you can do breaks and suspension or valve covers you can tackle this job.
@connorsanchez95854 жыл бұрын
Just got done opening the trans case and pulling the diff. Wasn’t too bad but the smell of transmission oil made me want to puke. Tomorrow I reassemble everything!
@djstatyk15403 жыл бұрын
@@connorsanchez9585 how did it go?
@connorsanchez95853 жыл бұрын
@@djstatyk1540 it wasn’t too bad, honestly not that complicated at all just a bit time consuming and uncomfortable to do laying on the ground under jack stands. kinda sucks reattaching heavy parts while laying down, i kept dropping the driveshaft. if you can get an extra pair of hands to help you it’s probably much easier to do most of the work.
@jons46867 жыл бұрын
I suspect my center diff in my Legacy Gt is on its way out. There is a bearing noise that seems to happen now in all forward gears under acceleration and decel. I'm crossing my fingers that the noise isn't coming from the transmission. I haven't experienced any of the more dramatic symptoms you described. I was wondering why you chose to replace the entire diff and didn't just replace the bearing. Was there wear to the metal where the bearing rides?
@HackSquadGarage7 жыл бұрын
Well in our case the center diff itself was actually binding up when it got hot, that bearing made noise but the actual diff was bucking the whole car when turning, when that happens there is no choice but to change the entire diff or trans, plus you need a press to change that bearing. we had no ware marks on where the bearing rides, it was perfect. your issue sounds a bit more like the input shaft bearing, i've had that go out on one of my 5 speeds, it sounded similar to what you described, you can change the bearing but you have to split the case and pull the input shaft out to change the bearing around it.
@jons46867 жыл бұрын
I suspected that as well but was crossing my fingers for an easier fix. I plan to put the car on a lift and diagnose where the sound is coming from.
@HackSquadGarage7 жыл бұрын
Good luck man, i really hope its something you can fix, buying a new transmission is not cheap... I wish we had a lift haha.
@jons46867 жыл бұрын
It's pretty sweet. If push comes to shove I will remove the Trans myself but probably have a professional crack it open and make the necessary repairs.
@thesetruths14046 ай бұрын
I have a 2004 Impreza 5-speed manual with 156,000 miles. I started getting random clicking that I can feel in the stick shift handle. It does it cold and warm. I bought the car recently and didnt check the manual transmission oil beause I wasn't aware I could. It was 1.75 quarts low. It holds 3.75 quarts so it had 2 qts in the oil pan. But the oil is super black, like 10,000 mile diesel motor oil and smells a little burnt perhaps. Refilling to Full made the clicking much better, but it didn't go away completely. Manual clutch oil was and is full and clean. Do you think I've toasted the transmission? What should I do? Flush the tranny oil a few times? Use any additives? Thanks!
@HackSquadGarage6 ай бұрын
Oooof yeah that's not good, it sounds like the transmission got really really hot being low on fluid, the lack of lubrication would destroy the bearings and possibly the center differential. There's no telling what internally is damaged without fully disassembling it. But it's cheaper to just replace the transmission than rebuild it. If you want to try something in the meantime while you search for a new transmission I would flush the fluid at least once. But I would not put too much money in it if you have to replace it.
@thesetruths14046 ай бұрын
@@HackSquadGarage it shifts and sounds fine. Except for the tapping from the failed center diff.
@wilkinramirez4335 жыл бұрын
Hi im front Boston Massachusetts What problem did the car present before changing it to a new one
@HackSquadGarage5 жыл бұрын
After driving for about 20 minutes and the transmission is hot, the center differential would bind and pop while turning sharply in a parking lot, you could feel it bind and release.
@ShiftMTB5 жыл бұрын
I'm a bit late to the party, but how did you diagnose that it was the center diff issue and not a complete transmission? My car is having some crazy noise from somewhere and I don't want to spend more than I need!
@HackSquadGarage5 жыл бұрын
Most people just replace the transmission because they dont want to mess with the center diff, we figured it out basically by process of elimination, we replaced all the axles, ball joints etc. and the number one clue was it binding when turning very sharp, only after the car was hot, so after 20-30 mile drive and you pull int a parking spot. you could feel the torque split between the front and rear binding and popping and letting go. if its just a whiny noise and never changes its likely one of the bearings in the transmission, those are cheaper to replace but the transmission would have to come out and be disassembled, unless its one of the ones in the transfer case where we removed the center diff, those are easy.
@The3000gtFan6 жыл бұрын
Where did you get the NA UEL headers from? and how much?
@HackSquadGarage6 жыл бұрын
These were a set of cheap ebay UEL headers for any N/A EJ, they were about $100, 4 years later no cracks or issues.
@Mr_BUSINESS_24_73 жыл бұрын
Part number for the paper gasket ? I'm not seeing it on the parts catalog online.
@HackSquadGarage3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I don't have the part number anymore, I just asked the subaru parts department for it.
@garrisonk86275 жыл бұрын
my 2005 legacy 5 speed was in a wreck, and the front driver wheel was hit and stopped and skidded and the other 3 kept turning to get the car off the road, i have the car on stands and i tried putting it in gear to see if all the wheels turn, the rear wheels both turn fine and the driver side cv boot turns (axle is disconnected) but the front passenger side (not damaged side) doesnt get any power. i went through all the gears, theres no grinding or anything, and the passenger wheel turns freely, but it doesnt get power from the engine. any ideas whats wrong?
@HackSquadGarage5 жыл бұрын
The front differential is not an lsd it's an open diff, so if you have a broken axel or one of them is disconnected like that, that's the problem, replace the axle and I bet it will work just fine.
@garrisonk86275 жыл бұрын
Hack Squad Garage the axle that’s disconnected is disconnected at the cv boot, so the cv cup is still connected to the trans/diff/ whatever. The axle is disconnected at the tripod, would that still cause the issue?
@HackSquadGarage5 жыл бұрын
@@garrisonk8627 yes it would, with an open differential the power/motion takes the path of least resistance, thus the broken axle spinning around and around. If you can replace the axle and any bent control arms or anything else damaged it should work normally.
@mathewsenn6 жыл бұрын
Does your moms car have an UEL header on it?! How awesome! Great video btw thank you
@HackSquadGarage6 жыл бұрын
mathew senn yeah! It's one of those eBay uel headers, it's been on there for about 2 years now, it sounds awesome!
@mathewsenn6 жыл бұрын
I had the same one on my 03 Outback Sport! They say they are better than the $900 Bosal, something about how they don’t crack and bend. I think I paid around $120 for mine, worth every penny!
@blakebullard8634 Жыл бұрын
I was wondering where I could get a new center differential at?
@HackSquadGarage Жыл бұрын
We had to go to the dealership, they still sell them. A used one is also a cheaper option.
@erinkusch7322Ай бұрын
if it’s a 4-speed electronic automatic transmission, do you have to pull the whole transmission?
@HackSquadGarageАй бұрын
You don't have to pull the transmission but the center differential design is very different
@bentley60284 жыл бұрын
Was there any trick to how you got it out I'm currently doing this on my 2002 WRX and it is being stubborn the different self won't slide out Any help is appreciated
@HackSquadGarage4 жыл бұрын
It is a little hard to pull out, we just wiggled it up and down and pulled really hard and it slid out.
@natedog3804 жыл бұрын
Hey it’s been a while since this video was posted but I have a question. Are the parts mentioned in the video the same parts for a 2002 WRX 5 speed transmission and center diff? Edit: just read through the other comments and found my answer to this question. Another question, what symptoms were you experiencing with the bad diff? My 2002 WRX wagon jolts really bad during SLOW speed turns and also during light and hard acceleration through all gears and I was wondering if this car was going through the same thing.
@HackSquadGarage4 жыл бұрын
Yeah its pretty much the exact same parts, as long as the new differential is the sale generation of 5 speed. We were experiencing the center differential binding and popping jolting the car while turning sharp and slow into parking spots. Sounds like you might have the same problem.
@bencampbell49810 ай бұрын
Did you guys not need to replace the other bearings in the transfer case?
@HackSquadGarage10 ай бұрын
In our case the bearings were perfect so we did not need to replace them luckily, they do go bad occasionally.
@trojan65077 жыл бұрын
My 03 wrx just started making this horrible clunky noise when turning, after warm up. :( replace drive shaft and Axle thinking that this would solve my problem unfortunately no. sounds like this could be my problem. Great fix Video :)
@HackSquadGarage7 жыл бұрын
trojan650 yeah it sounds like your center differential, but as you can see it not that bad to change. Cheaper than buying a new transmission in most cases.
@andrewlee85077 жыл бұрын
trojan650 did you find the issue I have the same issue?
@danielchampion29827 жыл бұрын
How much and where did you get the paper gasket for the transmission? I can only find auto transmission gaskets for some reason. Fixing my center diff on my 99 Legacy Brighton with a 5 speed as we speak!
@HackSquadGarage6 жыл бұрын
Daniel Champion I don't have the part numbers handy but I was able to go down to the subaru dealership where I got the center differential from and bought it with it. I think it was less $10.
@danielchampion29826 жыл бұрын
Yeah I figured it out, right around 20 shipping and handling. My dealership I closed when I get off work so I gotta get em shipped to me. Also, did you ever figure out the torque specs for the trans case? 😉
@HackSquadGarage6 жыл бұрын
oh nice! no we never did, we've been wrenching on these cars for a long time so im pretty confident in doing it by hand, we just tightened them by hand until they wanted to stop, hasn't leaked a drop since we made this video.
@bassman0097 жыл бұрын
Want to do this on a 2010 Legacy GT, to your expertise, is there going to be a major difference? 2.5L turbo six speed
@HackSquadGarage7 жыл бұрын
bassman009 I've never taken a 6 speed apart, but from what I've seen it's essentially the same process to take the center differential out, there might be a a few more things to unhook if it's dccd.
@bassman0097 жыл бұрын
acronym dccd?
@HackSquadGarage7 жыл бұрын
The Driver’s Control Centre Differential (DCCD) allows the centre differential locking of the WRX STI to be dialed in and adjust its handling. its only in the 6 speed transmissions and I am not sure if yours would have this or not, some years had it and some didnt, ive never had a 6 speed of my own.
@garymaris94177 жыл бұрын
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@ethanlau2795 жыл бұрын
I may have to replace the center diff on my 03 WRX. Above 25 mph it makes a whining noise that increases in volume and frequency with speed. The sound is unrelated to engine speed, clutch in/out, gear or neutral, and accel/decel. I ran my car on a lift and the sound is definitely coming from the transmission area. Most people with bad center diffs on the forums and KZfaq have also experienced binding in sharp turns, however, I have not. Does this sound like a bad center diff, bad bearing(s), or something else? Great video btw.
@HackSquadGarage5 жыл бұрын
If its not binding while turning the diff is probably not the issue, you could have an issue with the input shaft bearing, or maybe one of the bearings in the transfer case, you could try changing the gear oil with some fresh synthetic 75w-90. usually a whining noise like this on Subaru's comes from the rear diff, but i have had input shaft bearings go out and make bad sounds, usually does it all the time tho even at a stop, another option could be one of the front diff bearings could be going out and causing the preload on the front diff/pinion to be off causing gear whine. you could get the car up and use a stethoscope on the transmission to see where in the transmission its coming from, that might give you a better clue to whats wrong with it.
@ethanlau2795 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply, I should have time to fix it in the next month. I'll come back and share my results once it's fixed.
@ethanlau2795 жыл бұрын
So I got around to changing out the bearings in my center diff, which solved my problem. Specifically I changed out the bearing on the viscous unit itself, the two roller bearings on the shaft, and the bearing that bolts to the back of the transmission tail case. If your symptoms match those that I previously described, this will probably fix it. I recommend finding one of many write ups on NASIOC for guidance. You will need a bearing puller and want a buddy for help. Just put the bearings in the oven and shafts in the freezer before pressing on. Hope this helps!
@FOFRacing5 жыл бұрын
So mine is doing the exact same thing Ethan, I ordered a new diff assembly and I guess I will replace the bearings on the shafts, any tips?
@Tonisuperfly4 жыл бұрын
@@ethanlau279 Did you replace the centre diff itself or just the bearings?
@kevinmiller82735 жыл бұрын
Would you recommend supporting the transmission with a floor jack?
@HackSquadGarage5 жыл бұрын
If you are doing this in the car like we did it is not necessary to support the trans with a jack, you can if you want but it won't hurt anything and it will limit the amount of room you have to work around the transfer case.
@kevinmiller41145 жыл бұрын
Great video by the way. Living in CO, I will employ the proper safety break as recommended/required.
@Booki895 жыл бұрын
Do you know if a bad center differential will make noise while in neutral and not moving ?
@HackSquadGarage5 жыл бұрын
No it wouldn't be the center differential. That sounds more like the throw out bearing if the noise goes away when the clutch in pressed in. If it doesnt then it's either the pilot bearing or the input shaft bearing of the transmission. Hopefully it's the pilot bearing in the flywheel as you have to fully disassemble the transmission to replace the input shaft bearing. 9 time's out of 10 it's the throw out bearing which is why I only use oem throw out bearings.
@Booki895 жыл бұрын
@@HackSquadGarage I had a bad Engine mount which under heavy acceleration was pulling out my front left hand driveshafts. Maybe the pilot bearing for damaged during this? Unfortunately I did not check it when I split the gearbox to look for damage (and found none !) I also replaced the throw out bearing while I pulled the box so there isn't many things left ...
@HackSquadGarage5 жыл бұрын
@@Booki89 it's possible I guess, never seen that happen, but I would hope id's the pilot bearing because if it's making noise while in neutral whether the clutch is in or not it might be the input shaft bearing. If it has high mileage it might be that.
@Booki895 жыл бұрын
See how it goes! It has quietened down a bit. Thanks for the advice :)
@TheCriminal3k3 жыл бұрын
Do you need a press to replace those bearings on the shaft?
@HackSquadGarage3 жыл бұрын
It would be easier if you had one. I'm not sure how else you could get them off.
@user-cl3gz9ey1w4 жыл бұрын
Is there any lock for front & center diff ?
@HackSquadGarage4 жыл бұрын
No there isn't, 6 speeds have a dccd controller to control some front to rear power delivery. But no no lockers.
@marcelovillatoro42634 жыл бұрын
Is this the same as an 08 Impreza outback sport 5speed
@HackSquadGarage4 жыл бұрын
Yes pretty much exactly the same
@djblackarmstrong6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much guys! Please don't sell this car. 3rd Gen Legacy owners need all the help we can get. I feel like I have to visit Japan or Vancouver just to meet someone who knows about BH5s. Peace fellas from San Diego.
@HackSquadGarage6 жыл бұрын
Heels2Cheezus Hahaha thanks for watching! Yeah we're not getting rid of this car anytime soon, my mom driveshaft it every day, weven put to muchas work into it at those point lol.
@goldofigueroa56797 жыл бұрын
My problem on mine is on deceleration while driving dont hear anythin soon as i decel i hear like a rattling noise... shifts smooth no problems turning no noise also 5spd manual.. im sure its trans but no sure wat... anything wud help
@HackSquadGarage7 жыл бұрын
Ruben Gonzalez without hearing the noise it's really hard to say, it wouldn't be the center differential, it sounds like it might be either the input shaft bearing, or one of the thrust bearings on the gear shafts, it's also possible it could be the pilot bearing or throw out bearing. But my guess would be one of the main thrust bearings on the gear shafts is messed up. We are working on a 5 speed that had a similar sound right now, once we got it apart it was thrust bearing and not the input shaft bearing like we thought, so we are swapping all the internals from another one we had with a broken case. That video will be out soon, maybe it will help more.
@goldofigueroa56797 жыл бұрын
Hack Squad Garage thanks for the response... best bet u think wud jus to get a tranny? Problem is its my daily
@HackSquadGarage7 жыл бұрын
yeah it would be easier to just get another transmission, but if i were you, just to be sure id take it in to a shop or dealership and ask for a diagnosis only, they will likely say the same thing and you need a new transmission. if you have some basic tools you can swap a transmission in a weekend, its a lot easier than it seems.
@natesturgill19814 жыл бұрын
What’s the part number for that center diff? I can’t find it lol
@HackSquadGarage4 жыл бұрын
I don't have it, I just walked into the subaru parts department at my local dealership and asked for one.
@collinmcfadden69352 жыл бұрын
Are you able to rotate the VC gears by hand on a good unit? Not sure how to tell if a junkyard unit is good or not.
@HackSquadGarage2 жыл бұрын
It's a viscous differential so there's not really a way to tell if it's bad without it out of the car, usually when they get really bad you can see heat marks on them, but otherwise it's a gamble.
@spenvax2 жыл бұрын
@@HackSquadGarage thanks for the quick reply. How would you test it with the diff out of the car?
@HackSquadGarage2 жыл бұрын
@@spenvax so it's a sealed unit so the only thing I can sometimes see is color changes in the metal, but that only happens if it gets extremely hot. It can be bad and not be able to tell.
@collinmcfadden69352 жыл бұрын
@@HackSquadGarage got it. Thank you!
@andrewmarsh65865 жыл бұрын
Was the car making a really loud popping noise at low speeds (15mph) and when turning by any chance? Cause I'm thinking this could be what my current problem is with my car
@HackSquadGarage5 жыл бұрын
Sort of, that sounds more like a cv axle than a center diff, ours would drive fine going straight, but once you drove about 20 miles and tried to turn sharply at low speeds, like in a parking lot, you could feel the wheels binding and you'd hear a clunking sound. That's the main symptoms of a bad center diff.
@andrewmarsh65865 жыл бұрын
@@HackSquadGarage yeah I thought mine was a CV as well but I changed it plus a wheel bearing and lower ball joint and still have the sound. Mine only makes noise after I've driven about 15+ miles, and it only makes noise when cornering slowly, it's all quite when driving straight slow or fast
@HackSquadGarage5 жыл бұрын
@@andrewmarsh6586 yeah that does sound like a center diff if that's what it's doing, as you saw its pretty easy to change. I've gotten them out of the junk yard for really cheap if you can't afford it brand new.
@andrewmarsh65865 жыл бұрын
@@HackSquadGarage I've been looking for the torque specs for this, do you know where I can find them?
@HackSquadGarage5 жыл бұрын
@@andrewmarsh6586 the transfer case is like 18ftlbs and the rear cover is like 30ftlbs. Here's a pdf of the assembly. ken-gilbert.com/wrx/STi_Manual/04.%20TRANSMISSION/04.%20MANUAL%20TRANSMISSION%20AND%20DIFFERENTIAL%20(5MT)/09.%20Transfer%20Case%20and%20Extension%20Case%20Assembly.pdf
@joeytrib17 жыл бұрын
Great vid! Was you getting a whining noise as you drive whilst in gear and coasting in neutral? Thanks
@HackSquadGarage7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Not really no, our issue was the center diff binding while turning very sharply, it was actually breaking the tires free and clunking very loudly. If it does it all the time you might have an issue with the gears in the transfer case (the ones we took out in the video) or possibly the input shaft bearing which is very common on Subaru transmissions. it might be a good idea to take it in for a diagnosis, its just too hard to say without experiencing it. Thanks for watching!
@VBwrex7 ай бұрын
is this the same for a 5speed 04 forester SOHC?
@HackSquadGarage7 ай бұрын
Yes essentially the same
@emiliog.44322 жыл бұрын
Did you find the torque spec for those case bolts?
@HackSquadGarage2 жыл бұрын
It's been a long time but I believe it was around 35 ft lbs
@laslowgreene55532 жыл бұрын
Are the 5speed center diffs the same between 1st and 2nd gen Legacys?
@HackSquadGarage2 жыл бұрын
Just the center differential I don't see why not, I think they changed with the 3rd gen tho
@dyIanVII Жыл бұрын
Yes as long as it's not a super late gen 2, it is NOT the same as a GD/GG Impreza or a BH/BE Legacy however, the splines are similar but not identical and to make a newer diff work in an older trans or vice-versa, you need to replace most if not all of the actual gear (as in drive gears) assembly.
@albertmoua95515 жыл бұрын
all subaru outback and legacy the transmission extension housing is the same right ?
@HackSquadGarage5 жыл бұрын
Yes its the same for all subaru 5 speed transmissions, even wrx's
@albertmoua95515 жыл бұрын
what about the xt and the gt is that the same too for the 07-09
@HackSquadGarage5 жыл бұрын
@@albertmoua9551 they had different gear ratios for different applications but the transfer case is basically the same design on all 5 speed transmissions.
@LarryRichelli3 жыл бұрын
@@HackSquadGarage 5 speed manual or 5 speed automatic?
@HackSquadGarage3 жыл бұрын
@@LarryRichelli 5 speed manuals, the 5eat is a little different
@zourdiesel85793 ай бұрын
To the point 👍🏾
@eminded43263 жыл бұрын
What are the signs to look for for a bad center differential??
@HackSquadGarage3 жыл бұрын
Usually once the transmission is warm it will bind and pop while turning sharp under throttle, if it's bad enough you can sometimes have one of the tires chirp.
@drewv32933 жыл бұрын
Would this work wi 05 wrx turbo ?
@HackSquadGarage3 жыл бұрын
Yes it would be the same process with any subaru 5 speed. You can sometimes even get a new center differential out of a used or blown up transmission for cheap.
@TheCriminal3k3 жыл бұрын
What's the part number for the gasket? I can't find it anywhere
@HackSquadGarage3 жыл бұрын
I don't have it on hand but I'm pretty sure I showed the packaging in the video didn't I?
@HackSquadGarage3 жыл бұрын
I've also done this using only rtv ro reseal it and it did not leak
@TheCriminal3k3 жыл бұрын
Yea I see it. This vid was a huge help 👍🏿
@Noxious922 Жыл бұрын
What happens if all my bolts and stuff are rusted? I should probably just throw it away, the whole car... UUHHHG!!! I know my life will suck if I attempt it anyway, but I really have no other choice. The diff needs replaced. Really appreciate the video guys.
@HackSquadGarage Жыл бұрын
You'll have to take your time one bolt at a time, look up some rusted bolt removal videos online, there's tons of video on how to address it. Other than the rusty bolts it's not too bad of a job! Good luck!
@Noxious922 Жыл бұрын
@@HackSquadGarage I'll make sure to roll 2 blunts and stock up on extra Arizona green tea.. LOL
@HackSquadGarage Жыл бұрын
@@Noxious922 sounds like you'll need it! 🤣
@Noxious9228 ай бұрын
Pretty sure I forgot that race because it sounds terrible now.. Getting a whining and grinding noise on the accelerator only after the swap! I think I need to tear it down again and inspect. Thanks again! @@HackSquadGarage
@Mr_BUSINESS_24_73 жыл бұрын
Why didn't you do the center diff the first time, instead of the whole transmission ?
@HackSquadGarage3 жыл бұрын
It's my mom's car and at the time we had other projects going so she just paid a shop to replace the transmission, but that transmission had the exact same issue with less miles. So we replaced the differential
@Mr_BUSINESS_24_73 жыл бұрын
@@HackSquadGarage my grandmother did that once. She took her accord to a shop before asking me first. They sold her on a timing belt while in for an oil change. Which, yeah it was due, but she could have consulted me before moving forward with the job. But she had them do it, and they used the red mark on the balancer and not the white mark. Timing was off 1 tooth and her engine was pinging on acceleration. And so I had to fix their nonsense. If you want something done right, gotta do it yourself.
@ivandeckpaez43854 жыл бұрын
how many liters of oil?
@HackSquadGarage4 жыл бұрын
Should be about 4
@96MustangBoy14 жыл бұрын
Did the car have vibrations around 30mph and up?
@HackSquadGarage4 жыл бұрын
No it just blinded and popped under sharp turning
@96MustangBoy14 жыл бұрын
Hack Squad Garage my moms subie does that and vibrates. Any ideas on why my mom’s car vibrates? I already changed out the universal joints.
@HackSquadGarage4 жыл бұрын
@@96MustangBoy1 obviously all I can do is guess, but it could be the center differential bearings or an axle, I'd check the axles first. Possibly look at the driveshaft carrier bearing also. Something like that you really have to be there to look at it.
@96MustangBoy14 жыл бұрын
Hack Squad Garage thanks
@subarutime50896 жыл бұрын
Your right don't get oil on the gasket mine did and leaked 😕
@HackSquadGarage6 жыл бұрын
yup thats the hardest part is not contaminating it. ive also used only RTV on that with no leaks, not ideal but you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes.
@subarutime50896 жыл бұрын
Yea I been liking these small channels a lot it cool to see people struggle cuz that's the way it is most of the time 😁
@HackSquadGarage6 жыл бұрын
Exactly! haha thats how it is in the real world!
@explorewithme47077 жыл бұрын
i need this done... do u think 1300$ is a decent price?
@HackSquadGarage7 жыл бұрын
it depends on the car i guess, we paid $550ish for all the parts, but shops will charge you a mark up as well and then labor on top of that, so depending on the hourly rate and what they are charging for parts that sounds about right.
@explorewithme47077 жыл бұрын
Hack Squad Garage they replaced my axle and steering boots and the very next day my car was making noise took it back and they said the bearing is bad? is that related?
@HackSquadGarage7 жыл бұрын
Aaron Bills which bearing? Wheel bearings go bad all the time and make a lot of noise and sometimes if they are old enough they don't survive an axle change, but there's no way changing an axle would make the center differential just go out if that's what you mean, they usually go bad from driving on a donut too long, or towing the car on 2 wheels which is a big no no, or just some times they just get worn out.
@subarutime50897 жыл бұрын
Any one one that works on Subaru I sub love these cars
@HackSquadGarage7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! we love these cars too, thanks for the support.
@liboy9844 Жыл бұрын
I would use additional jackstands for additional safety... that car is heavy.
@shayamaddex9962 жыл бұрын
Nice backwoods lol
@matt12674 жыл бұрын
515$ WTF. I got mine from NSK that is literally identical to the subaru one for under 30 dollars
@HackSquadGarage4 жыл бұрын
Yeah if you want oem you have to pay oem prices
@djstatyk15403 жыл бұрын
Jesus fuck. I bought a uses transmission for $150 and it kicks ass. $500?! To fix a transmission that you already swapped on to it.... FUCK ....i know this was years ago, but FUCK!!!
@HackSquadGarage3 жыл бұрын
Yeah at the time she already paid $1700 to have a shop put a transmission in to fix this exact issue. So she wasn't wanting to gamble with another junk yard transmission
@chrismaverick29157 жыл бұрын
The worst cars and the worst company you have to deal with !!!!! LIARS , CROOKS ......