Most informative video I've found on how to mic individual cymbals/hats. I'm really digging the 45 degree angle far off the edge that you did!

Thanks great video phase reversal makes all the difference in how the mikes work to gather as one

I love this channel. I learn something new about how microphones, drum kits and other instruments work everytime I watch a new video

Wow what a great presentation! Thanks a ton! Also great that you did the variations in real time, helped a lot.

You are so amazing. I have ribbons sitting around never even tried them close micing cymbals. Gonna be a game changer.

What a clever guy you are. I wish more people me including had this level of determination and motivation in sticking to what they once loved.

Great video! Thank you so much

Man your channel is sick! Been watching your vids for a while now and they're great!

Really good info in this one. I've never given much consideration to hi-hat mic placement, but there's a huge difference in the examples you showed with both the hi-hat and ride. I used to use small diaphragm condensers on hi-hat like everyone else, then I found an SM7B actually sounds really great. I generally position it halfway between the bell and the edge of the cymbal pointing straight down at the cymbal; I find that it's a good useable sound right off the bat.

Thanks for the video. I tend to use a sm57 or a sdc on my high hat.

Just in time for my next drum tracking. Thanks.

One of the most useful channels going. Thank you. I work mainly on live work. Mk012 with hypercardoid capsule is great in this application. Biggest challenges on hi hats are variety of cymbals out there and how they are sometimes poorly paired with snare drums. Also variety of sounds from closed to open to chick. Getting everything right IS difficult. Always talk to player to narrow these variables.

I have never used a ribbon mic on the ride or hats. I was thinking the SPL would too great for ribbons in this setup. However, this video shows me I need to get a couple of ribbons and experiment. Thanks for sharing 👍😎

I actually just started playing with using a mono overhead and 2 sm57s for ride and hi hat mics. I find it works well if you only have one nice condenser mic. I use it mostly when recording metal.

dude, your videos rule!

Good vid... love your channel, always interesting. I find that I need to include the overheads in that phase relationship with the the snare and hats/ride. Overheads first, equidistant from snare. Check snare tone and polarity Then I bring the hh /rd into the equation, checking polarity by the method you use. More often than not they end up equidistant as a pair from the snare also. The fine tuning of the phase relationship between ohs and cymbals is achieved with panning around close cymbal mics inside overhead stereo image. The snare always remains center and “in phase” with both ohs and cymbals. 😁

Your channel is superb! Thanks for showing us all these comparisons and hopefully saving us time when in the studio :) Wonder if there's any chance to get a video about how the height of overhead mics affects the overhead sound? Cheerios, -Ron

Love this vid. Lots of food for thought. Never used a ribbon on hats before. Currently I use a Sennheiser e604, but I saw someone use a Shure SM7 and that seems like it could be cool.

You’re awesome bro

you GOTTA get the snare right. can't argue with that. def going to go move my ride mic to cut out some of the brightness. thanks!

Nice work on video. On hat I work from the center out until I get the balance of ping to body. On the ride it is a matter of enjoying isolation from underneath, and working center out for balance of body. Most of my choices come from live, so bleed and control are typically more important than seeking the perfect studio separation sound. The second an overhead is introduced you'll likely have to play with phase reversing, yep. I think this is what Glyn Johns was trying to get away from. (I believe he did!) The key is to experiment, do not be afraid, do not allow your mind to seize-up. Every situation is different! (Which is why there are so many opinions). Again, thank-you for the video.

Nice! I haven't gotten myself a ribbon mic yet and only recently have I mic'ed up hihat and a ride. I needed to mic them up for I decided to use a mono overhead and panning hihat and ride really is good in mixing a hard rock song. I use dark sounding SDC's for them and ride is mic'ed from under the ride...

I just subscribed. Although I'm not a drummer, I have a small kit for my jam room so the drummers don't have to haul their shit every time. Your channel is well presented and inventive, and hopefully, I can learn to make some good recordings of our jams. thanks. BTW, my neighbours always know when it's me on the kit. One day they will pool for a hitman.

I miss recording drums. I always got lower levels during mic check because the drummer would always play louder during tracking. Natural

Hey! Thank you for all the effort you put into your videos. It really helps to those of us that try to learn intricate details online, and you make it so easy for us :) Quick question; I’ve seen you use Warm Audio outboard gear in your previous videos. What is your general opinion on WA compressors and preamps and how do WA-76 and WA-2A compare to the Klark Teknik (?) 1176 and LA-2A clones? Will you recommend other inexpensive stuff like Golden Age Project etc?

I love a ribbon on the ride, but hadn't really considered using one on the hats. For that purpose, I generally place a SDC directly above the bell, but point it back towards the far edge, away from the snare.

I love the way the nulled out snare sounded like a really distant room mic (because it the mic was getting no direct sound from the snare and only room reflections) I wonder if this technique could reduce the need for a stereo room mic setup. If you ballanced the hihat and ride mics and compressed them a little would it yeild the fatness or just be a horrible pumping mess..

Does the ribbon mic handle snare volume, that would really null out leakage from hi hat and toms.

I quite never got to use individual cymbal mics, since I have a decently big drum kit and only 14 channels on my audio interface. I have 2 OH and 1 room.

I feel this is a trick that could be very cool or very stressful lol.

Are there any producers or albums that you know of that use the ORTF technique?

I have never, not once, used a spot mic on a cymbal. There's already so much in the OH's and I end up needing to gate the snare mic just to keep the VOLUME under control.

Do you think the 3:1 ratio could be used with this method, and have you ever used that with much luck?

Huh, just noticed we use the same sticks. I mean, I'm not a drummer and probably never will be, but I do try......

Crazy I just experimented with a ribbon mic on my hat, then saw this video a couple weeks later. I thought I was on an island alone because I really like the sound I get. I sent my tracks to an engineer and he asked what I used. When I told him it’s a ribbon mic he said, “is that what they’re doing now?” I said I don’t know. but he said it sounded great Haha!

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I highly recommend that you replace the ride and hihat at the first place, they sound horrible!

Skilled drummers who do not take care of their drums are not good drummers. I had a less skilled but consistent hitting drummer with a well kept kit re-track songs on an album. Well played drums that are poorly kept do not sound good. They don’t stick to tape.