The R24 has a huge proximity distance so if it even gets close then say goodbye to your SL

Great video man, thanks for you and Philip taking the time to demonstrate this in a custom game. That high speed spiral roll has definitely saved me from being fox 1'ed.

A lot of people seem to not realize that if the missile’s speed/energy has been mostly bled, and you’re already notching, you should be able to just turn and burn, run away and re engage when you’ve gotten enough distance. What I do usually is crank left/right 90 degrees, then dive, and turn 180 from the missile, and burn. Obviously you should be doing evasive maneuvers as well, but as long as you keep your speed above Mach 1, you should be fine. This tactic is so efficient I tend to use it in even DCS

Head to head in my SU-22 will be more fun now. Thanks for the tutorial. Its players like yourself that make this community strong and a joy to be apart of

Pre-chaffing is a great tip and one I use all the time. Im not sure if 90 degree chaffing works on non PD radars but you don't need the chaff for PD radars even at higher alts (People don't switch radar modes to regular search and track high alts for some reason). After doing some research I learned why Sparrows ignore chaff after launch, apparently the missile has rearpointing waveguides that compare the initial radar illumination to all other radar reflections to avoid chaff. Great video overall !!!

Amazing video honestly. ive had the j7e a long time and was dying most of the time to radar missiles not knowing how to dodge them. Once again thanks

Thanks for the video mate. Explains a lot why I am getting killed by F-4Js in recent matches. Thought Fox 1s are bugged but in reality I was using pre launch strategy to evade them post launch. Time to test this new knowledge. Thanks again.

The running away tactic could possibly be expanded to idk "doppler speed gating" the missile. So going side on towards the missile, with sufficient background clutter, also might defeat the missile. I believe most fox 1 except R-24R and AIM-7F have about a 150 m/s margin for error and the 24R and 7F a 125 m/s one. Going cold is one way to blend in with the background clutter, but technically going side on will also work. Also no mention of pulse signal fox 1 missiles? Aforementioned tactic of going sideways or cold don't work against them, although I suppose it's not as important as they are all 1) pretty weak, strongest one is the R.530 2) are on planes with bad radars, so getting locked in the first place isn't too common 3) they are susceptible to chaff, so using them as flares works (they function identically really like the aircraft's on board pulse mode radar when it comes to how it reacts to chaff).

Great explenation and I love the set of flags on your friend's elevators.

👍 Thanks! Please do more of these tutorials, they're really valuable! 😍

the most consistent defense I use is simply turn right or left and fly perpendicular to the enemies heading. this works every time if you are sure they are in pd mode (pretty much guaranteed if its a low altitude encounter). no chaff needed. The enemies radar will simply lose you bc the closing speed becomes too close to his air speed so the radar thinks you are part ground clutter it is designed to ignore and ignores you. The chaff is only needed if the enemy is using the classic search mode.

Great vid Seek thanks for the help mate these videos are amazing for people like me with little knowledge of notching properly thanks mate :)

man i’ve been looking for a video like this for a while now

You have no idea how much you helped me. Thanks

Thank you so much. I wanted a proper video designated to fox 1 missiles for a long time now cause it's a bit hard to understand. Ty

I just started a game with my phantom, perfect😂👌 And I luv your vids💯

Now that was very helpfull, thank u guys!

You absolute legend, thank you!

this was actually really helpful

They should make the PD mode track in chase mode like it does irl. Like how did F-15s shoot AMRAAMs at an Iraqi mig-25 flying away from it back in the 90s?

You are a bloody godsend...crazy I was really good when mig19s were too tier...and now I'm a noob lol. Goes to show u always something to learn

Could you make a video about explaining why things are like they are? For example why flying cold is so working or the details of CW and Pulse

Will definitely be testing these out, thanks for the info! Just recently started playing around top tier and have been struggling with this aspect especially. On the topic of chaff being "broken" though, I am curious - *should* the chaff be able to break a sarh missile's lock after being launched? Like, is the current behaviour true to the real world or not? Whether it's then a bug or an intentional design choice by the devs is another matter~

Damn dude.... dope!!!!

This is a great video, but is there anything specific to do if they launch closer to you (like within that 4 km limit that you want to dodge at)

Very helpful video

FINALLY. I have been attempting to explain this to people forever but they never believe me. Guess I can direct them to this video now ;) Also, a note regarding the cold missiles. That tactic will not work at higher altitudes, especially with like the ones on Viggin and EJ Kai. Use at low altitudes only. Anything else is an attempt to make the missile work harder

Can you explain why you have to perform the scissor maneuver against the aim7F instead of the barrel roll

Do you feel as though the auto-pilots adjustments to the AIM-7F have made it connect alot more? Your original review was un-kind to the 7f

Good vid :P

Great video, thanks. Does F-pole works in WT correctly?

Maybe this is not the most efficient tactic as it does use kind of a lot of countermeasures but it is definetely the safest as long as it's performed well (almost a 100% success rate, at least with the currently in game missiles, but this tactic even works for advanced Fox-3s wich, except the AIM-54A, are currently not in game). It's also very easy When the missile is about 6-4 kms away (sometimes even more distance works), you start notching AND diving (about 10 - 25°, be careful to not dive too much especially if the missile is from above). After that you create a little countermeasure wall (like one key press per second for about 3/4 seconds) and start going cold (so away from the enemy aircraft) while still diving (a little less) The chances of you getting hit using this method are basically NONE as you combine basically every defensive maneuver existing: 1) Diving: As you lower your altitude, air gets thicker, wich means more drag, wich means the missile decelerates faster. To that you have to add that if the radar is not Pulse Doppler, it's going to start a little ground-clutter issue, wich gets bigger as altitude decreases. 2) Notching: As explained in the video, due to how PD and MTI radars work, notching makes it really difficult for the radar itself to keep tracking you, and so is hard for the missile to guide on you. 3) Creating a Chaff wall while Notching: This basically enhances the point explained above. 4) Going cold: As you start going away from the enemy, for them 2 problems appear: 1. The cold side is usually the side with the smallest cross-section on the entire plane, as a matter of fact making you look smaller to the enemy's radar, wich of course makes the lock harder 2. By going cold, as you reduce the closure rate with the enemy (and so their missiles too), the missile has to percur a greater distance, wich bleeds the missile's speed (and as a fact this is the best defensive "maneuver" for the various F-104s due to it's high speeds and acceleration). 5) Turning: As you turn, the missile has to turn too to adjust the lead (wich means that changing the flight path many times makes the missile turn a lot), and so the missile gets slower. And if you turn enough you bring the missile to the max G-load, wich means that if you turn enough WHEN it's close enough, the missile might miss you just because of the inability to turn more. If it still isn't enough the missile is probably so slow you can dodge it by a little turn upwards followed by a little barrel roll downwards, as it's probably so slow that the closure rate is really really small.

This man is a warranty

How does this guide hold up in light of the fairly recent missile buffs? Does the AIM7F Head on maneuver still work?

R-23R and presumably R-24R can rear lock from about 2km out but they take almost a full km to start maneuvering so it's useless to do this when you can just lob an R-60 instead.

I don’t have top tier yet but your vids are cool

Would love for you to do one for the Aim-54 or is it really just stay low for the only way to evade that one?

Just played a match with you, I was the F-4E covering you.

iam learning top tier and i have a question. there are many instances where i see a fox 1 coming go 90 deg and chaff but the missile still tracks and kills me . how is this possible ? and how can i avoid it

also if a target is flying cold I've been able to use the self detonation of the non tracking missile to get kills from firing like 1-1.2km away

I always see people using this "square radar" but mine doesn't look like that. It looks more like a half circle. Is there a setting to switch to this radar mode?

Great video, that helped me a lot. I have a question tho. Does the missile behave the same way in MTI mode as it is in PD? I have had a really hard time locking things in my mig 23 and actually get the missile to track.

nice video

Cranking I think really only works in long range BVR engagements which you do not get in War Thunder. War Thunder gives you the last few seconds of what would be in DCS a BVR fight gone wrong.

We need that video updated

can you still get radar locked if the jet does not have a radar? (eg. F5C)

Gud vid, commenting for algorithm

Opinion on the 7f after the changes (Remembered you did not like them earlier)

i really wish they would add a selector to either put flare or chaff in the air, not both at the same time....

Seeker be using the techniques shown to avoid posting the Top 15 video jk I love you and this was very helpful keep it up

Nice video idea, concise explanation, good vibes. I was captivated

Any tips for subsonic planes to dodge SARH missiles? like the harriers, f5s, etc?

Pulse Doppler not tracking targets going 90 degrees explains so much... i just thought the Viggen's radar must be glitched for the longest time. I guess I have a reason to use SRC now

Few days ago i finally got Viggen and kinda disappoint with it's rb71🤔. First of all rb71 loosing energy VERY fast when it's engine out, reminds me british red tops. Second, many people easily evade incoming rb71 even without shown manuevers. And third, rb71 sometimes start to track flares! It's so stupid ffs. Btw, does shown manuevers work vs r23/24r? Thanks.

i can't wait for the Super 530 to finally be in game. Very informative video.

Thank you, this is very useful. However, since these are all SARH and not F&F missiles, isn't the behaviour where you chaff post missile launch inaccurate? If enemy radar starts illuminating chaff, the missile should follow the illumination, no?

Saw a brief part Of this in your kfir video. Thanks for expanding. Do you have any tips for IR missile evasion? If I fly a plane without flares or I run out.

but what do i do in slower planes? planes such as an A-10 or Su-25? They turn fast but they are too slow to make the missile pull large amounts of lead

How do I get my F4E radar to give me stronger locks like you get in your videos? No matter what situation I'm in unless it is high altitude and clear blue sky, and even then sometimes it doesnt work, my lock isn't strong enough for a sparrow.

isn't chaff changed now, recently I've "evaded" several fox 1's by just flying straight and dropping chaff without being 90 from the enemy

how about ground SAM spammers in ground battle?

That's weird because I can dump all my chaff over the course of 30 seconds in my SMT and even when flying 90 degrees to a phantom, they refuse to drop lock

The reason why you can't get a missile to track cold is because you are moving roughly the same speed as the target which the radar tries to differentiate. If you were moving slower or faster you could probably get a better lock.

Damn using and evading missiles is even more complicated than I thought

is there a current video of this?

You should be able to keep lock when manoeuvring, in my fg 1 I can keep lock on people even when they're out of view off to the side of the screen, so you can easily send off a skyflash then crank or roll and keep lock easily

The missile knows where it is at all times

This may be kinda niche, but how does the AIM-9C on the F8E compare to the Sparrows in terms of rear-aspect tracking and tracking targets with chaff? The WT Wiki makes it sound like it requires a constant radar lock feedback from the aircraft to maneuver, so where a Sparrow still tracks if the enemy chaffs after launch, the 9C might not? I'm working on getting my F8E now, but knowing what to expect would be helpful.

Thanks

You also gotta be carefull. The mld and it’s r24R is very weird, even when the mld loses lock or the radar locks chaff the missle can still hit reguardless

What about subsonic planes

Does this work against Aim-54?

Any chance you can do an update?

what should I do if im starting to grind the su22m3, at 11.0 them phantoms always lock me kilometres away, and its not only one sarh missile coming to you.

Half of this video is useless now, but still helps

I am new to top tier jets, how do I tell whether the missile launched at me is heatseeking or Radar guided? Is it due to the fact that they can fire it when I'm flying towards or away from them? Or do I have to memorize all the missiles on every jet so I can guess which one they've fired depending on the situation?

Fyi, this going cold doesnt work against f16's aim 7 and mig29's r27er

i like this guide but this is when enemy and u are at the same alt or you are at lower alt.....what if enemy is at lower alt?

Only one missile in game killing me (regularly) is r24t, i know its not radar guided, but seems like r24t has great flare resistance. Any tips how to evade r24t?

Can u do this with an aim9-L?

Just fly without any chaff, EZ 💪

Bit of a question on using kinematics to evade the missile head-on, is the "Mach 1+" rule universal or can the more maneuverable aircraft dodge them while doing, say, Mach 0.8 at around sea level?

can u make a video about Gun targeting distance and Vertical targeting , some times i see u use vertical targeting and sometimes u do not , it will be helpful to explain , thank you

Wait, so if you lock someone, launch fox1, he chaffs and you keep chaff locked - fox1 will track plane it was locked on when it was launched?

Can you show how to notch with the F-104G? Cause doesn't matter how or what, I always instantly die by F-4J's and next to that I can't even fucking notch them even though I'm flying as I should

For the algorithm :)

thx, now I can try to take the high ground

SO COOL

Is it worth it to just carry sparrows and leave behind heaters? Every heater I fire just gets flared and they seem like dead weight.

Do you think we could get a tutorial on playing the F4E in the current meta? I struggle with it and can’t find any true tutorials that are recent.

Can you make a video on how the new SARH missiles on the mirage f1 works

Dude shot a phoenix at me at 4km i pulled as hard as if he was trying to hit me with his guns and still got hit. Sometimes those seem like they aren’t working how they are supposed to

You will all need to remember this for world war 3

Was that test with firing multiple fox 1s using a modded game or can the F4J actually guide missiles like that in game?

what jet????

my friend taught me enough for me to grasp the more difficult things. however. this vid is still very useful, am not always going to be able to make it optimal for me, so how to i make it optimal when i can't.

How can you tell what type of missile they're using? I know you said that different types of missiles are better than others.

wow, i really thought my radar was locking onto the flares

W video

Why does your radar screen look like that?