jesus jones 😡 Apparently you are no ‘intellectual’ according to your own definition! Therefore, how can you criticise that which you despise when you do not possess the mental capability to do so? The fatuous example you quote is just that and irrelevant to the application of critical thinking. Try including ‘why’ and ‘how’ questions to develop your understanding of the application of critical thinking.

No....whats hes talkng about is taking a statement he read in the news and or on a media outlet and making it fact??? thats what he talking bout as thats what he does , spread the latest lie thats doing the rounds!!

You can dismantle the truth with a certain critical approach. An make it look very different. Thats what solicitors do.

You mean like this: www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/updated-how-cps-proved-case-against-serial-liar-nick-over-false-claims-vip-child-abuse

Brilliant summary Rax

@@danielr82 He actually gives people a chance to justify their stance with reason and facts. He has never identified as having any particular party-political alliance, and regularly admits to having views that don't neatly fall into "Left" or "Right" categories. He actively wants people to help change his own views and is open to being convinced that his stance isn't necessarily correct (some examples of this can be seen in his shifting views on transgender issues, obesity, technological dependence, class discrimination, animal rights, religious doctrines, toxic masculinity...) He "hurls abuse" only when public figures are demonstrably guilty of lying, acting out of self-interest and cannot justify their behaviour. His sympathies are often with people who have been fed a pack of distorted "facts" and who have never had their views challenged. If you listen to just one of his shows, you'll hear multiple examples of him really trying to understand opposing views with an open-mind. He's also good at calling-out bullshit when he hears it, but does it by presenting provable facts and a well-reasoned argument. Compare that to the complete contempt that Nick Ferrari and Nigel Farrage display when someone calls their show with an opposing point of view. They don't invest any time engaging with the caller and instead, choose to reassert their own world-view without any attempt to debate the issue in a constructive way. I think that most of Jame's critics have never actually taken time to listen to his show and instead, rely on clips and vids that are taken out of context. I'd urge you to read his book, as it totally highlights his plight for nuanced debate that is thought-based and not steeped in ignorance or lazy hyperbole.

@@danielr82 it's interesting that that's how you view him. I'm fascinated in these days of divided Britain to see how something that is so obviously benign to me is viewed completely differently by soneone else. And vice-versa. For me, it's plain to see that James is sincere in his quest to unlock issues through intellectual debate and when I hear him speak, I admire his sense of justice and reason. However, that's not to say I'm right. Maybe he is how you view him. What's interesting to me is the way in which the same situation or personality is interpreted in two totally different ways. You seem like an intelligent guy, so I'm not going to dispute your ability to listen, make sound judgement and understand the nuance of O'brien's shtick. I too, think that I'm fairly open, rational and can smell bullshit a mile off yet I'm defending James like he's a Saint. Maybe your partly right, and maybe I am too. I'm just fed up of polarisation of everything into "good" and "bad", "right" and "wrong", "team Tory" or "team Corbyn", "left" and "right". Even though I mentioned Farrage earlier, I was a bit unfair. I force myself to tune into his show now and again as I don't like to view people as characatures. I don't like Farrage's politics and I certainly don't like many of the decisions he's made or things he's said. But occasionally he says something that reminds me that he's just a bloke who feels passionate about his view of the world. In his eyes, he's a good guy with right on his side. And occasionally he says something that isn't disagreeable. My point is, I wish debate in this country wasn't polarised into "he's a dickhead" vs "he's a god". The binary Brexit vote has already divided the nation in two and ever since, I've felt quite pessimistic about our society and its ability to empathise, seek out different opinions and challenge them in a non combative way. That doesn't mean caving in and finding middle ground... It just means hearing the other person's view and giving them a decent chance to make their case. If they can't, that's fine. If they can, I'll be better for it.

@@danielr82 And you've just proven to the world that informed debate can actually take place in the abyss that is the KZfaq comments section! Thanks for the exchange - you make some valid points. Need to have more back-and-forths like this play-out in real-life. The world would be a more understanding place! You're a gent, Daniel! Have a great weekend.

Jesus lets hope your pay for this was fair! Never heard such a load of tosh in all my life. He has like a million listeners on the 10am slot on talk radio. He has been on the radio for years and he has never got anywhere. His radioshow is scripted the only people he ever has on that disagree with him are chosen for their stupidity. So the great o Brien can try to make them look as foolish as possible. For years O'Brien has had the 10am slot LBC was not even national radio for most of it!

@Truthful Chap Ignore O'Brien! He is not a politician! He has no influence to speak of. Brexit and Trump are doing very well. Just stick to that notion.

You guys need serious help.

What a load of bullshit you guys live in a bubble everyone thinks different

mojopin 70 wow, you’re right. Just from reading your KZfaq comments I have been able to completely deconstruct your personality and diagnose you with a list of mental health problems. Where do you practise? I’m sure the BMJ would be fascinated by your radical new clinical approach!

@@jerrydelaney6971 Another cogent and Analytical rebuttal I see......

Common sense is a very uncommon commodity

his facts though, he treats his show like he does his sudoku - he trusts nobody checks them then filters out callers who do.

Obrien and common sense are definately two words that dont fit , ignorance and gossip are two words that do when its aimed at him!!

O'Brien certainly showed he lacked common sense when it came to Carl Beech.

@@PanglossDr And O'Braindead hasn't got it!

Love him too!

Carl Beech. O'Brien promoted his lies time and again.

And what are we seeing throughout Europe. The UK is the only parliament in Europe which has no right wing parties in parliament. Look at the AFD..the UK voted Brexit to protect itself from this gutter filth...disease spreading through Europe.

Enoch Powell Not a big surprise with the UK's election system of "winner takes it all' per constituency. You still have enough people with a racist, isolationist, authoritarian and conspirationalist mindset in the country. Just read KZfaq comments to meet them.

For the UK brexit is the final nail in the coffin of am empire long gone.

If a 3 year old can ask why then the press and everyone else can too

You're funny !

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not

niki Kumar I’m always impressed with how patient he is with the moronic brexiters. I wouldn’t.

@@paftaf he is savage... love him

@@paftaf Whats even more absurd is how moronic Brexiters are. Its like a new breed of undiagnosed psychopaths have been unleashed into mainstream society. The scariest thought is them taking back "control" whatever control actually is.

I’ve not seen one instance of him being forceful or aggressive at all. Unlike other political interviewers who are very pushy, he merely questions and presses the people he talks to on their opinions and points with respect and diplomacy.

@Agent Nurple you joined KZfaq JUST to make petty statements to strangers didn’t you. How very stable and golden a pillar of society you are sir.

@Agent Nurple can you speak to the dead? Give my dad a buzz, he’ll tell you how fantastic you are too, I’m sure.

@Agent Nurple come on Phucko, bring your A game. So far you’re not even on the subs bench.

@Agent Nurple right. That’s that. NEXT.

@Agent Nurple still, you’ve been really handy for wiping my figuratively shitty arse clean today. Bravo. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Who said it was?

It’s mainly the right though

weat ham ,we aint racist

People on the left hate him too

Whats you're definition of right wing?

James o Brien..the abortion that got away.

@@jerrydelaney6971 not you again?? Did Jimmy hurt your feelings little snowflake?

True

Reid Wallace 😖 ‘Basicly’ ? Or was there a more sophisticated means of achieving the death of Socrates?

Socrates was Canadian?

OK. I support most of JOB's cause but if is going to insist on every fact being substantiated, he needs to do the same consistently. This is not the case: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jM6kjLybu5ythKc.html (05:11)

I'm not sure if you're acting daft...oh no wait...you are.

@@TheMusicalElitist Good job refuting the point instead of just focusing on feelings...oh no wait....you didn't. (Because you couldn't)

On me 'ead son!

heaven forbid that people should be extremely healthy or extremely safe eh!

Yes O'Braindead did such a good job of exposing the true nature of Carl Beech!

Ahahahahahahaha!

@@srubberalittle - A twat eh ? didn't think he came that high in the rankings ...still we are all entitled to an opinion😁

Returned Services Association, equivalent of British Legion, in both NZ and Australia.

What heat have you generated already? apart from KZfaq comments?

Why shouldn't you be held to account? You obviously have your own political agenda and bias in calling for a campaign against him, surely, you must agree that this is fair? Also, why does how much someone earn dictate their accountability or otherwise?

@@kenjepson1908 I don't mind my views being questioned at all.

@@austenj4539 - Questioning someones views is a lot different to being held to account.

@@kenjepson1908 I'm content to be held to account for my views on everything I post.

The first part, yes. Asking people what they mean, asking them to define things, it gets them to *think about it.* If you think someone doesn't understand the definition of something, then how better to change that than by them having a good think about it.

Boris, Gove, Mogg, Farage, Banks...

At least they still hold some regard for what the electorate want.

you think a lot about him manuel? hmm.

And ditto, because everything he says is fact based and proveable, what have you got?

Robbie What’s far left politics?

@@jacobjorgenson9285 Are you serious? Skewing far to the left on the political spectrum...

Robbie What does that mean exactly?

@@jacobjorgenson9285 I suggest you do some research into it, either you're a troll or blindingly ignorant looking for education off of KZfaq comments...

Robbie I see, you don’t know..that’s ok

Your question assumes that you cannot humiliate someone out of compassion.

@@sofnaji I've never seen humiliation as a compassionate act. I get the impression it's more about JOB boosting his fragile ego.

@@msa-tt4bg how about a teacher humiliating a student to imprint learning

@@sofnaji If i were a teacher i'd go out of my way to avoid doing it, the same goes for beating pupils. I found it odd that JOB seemed to get some sort of satisfaction from humiliating ordinary Brexiteers, and as a strategy to stop Brexit i would describe it as a complete failure.

Alan Cadwallender 😖 You must be one of the most fervent listeners to Talkradio, where the presenters are models of rectitude and neutrality . . . .’

Because the publicly-funded health service has to pick up the pieces in the event of an accident. Because people will not take basic precautionary measures to look after themselves. Because the road is a shared place where people have to abide by a mutually-agreed set of regulations. Because people - on average - are very poor at assessing risk/benefit ratios, and the data shows that they are generally overestimating their own abilities and safety.

Nick Harrison Thank you for saving me the effort of answering that pathetic example of idiocy. You write as if I had dictated my response to you. Sadly we are never to be free from self centred dumbclucks who bleat about anything that upsets them.

Yeah, though he doesn't claim to know what terms mean. He is saying that the people citing them don't know what they mean. He isn't correcting people when they say "health and safety" as a defense to an argument. He is asking them what they mean by saying "health and safety", and more often than not, the response to the question "what do you mean by health and safety" or say "political correctness" is: "well, ya know, well, erm, I don't really know, but...". He isn't claiming clairvoyance or absolute knowledge on every subject ever. He is saying that people say things often without understanding their viewpoints. And when they are questioned directly about it, they resort to confusion, or aggression. Hence the popularity of his radio clips.

@@MrStefanoRinaldi Yes, I see your point, and that is what James 'says' he is doing, and if he were doing that I would applaud him. This is exactly what Socrates did and through it helped both sides to better our low resolution ideas on things to bring clarity. My issue is that he pretends that only one side sees these issues in low resolution and are therefore stupid or wrong. When he does meet someone who has a clearer and reasoned view to explore, he twists and contorts logic to make it seem that they don't really understand what they are talking about. Here is a perfect example where James ends up suggesting that the concept of sovereignty is that every individual gets exactly what they want and any concession is a giving up of sovereignty. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j7yejMirl9a7k58.html He is an educated man and knows this is nonsense, but uses this argument to make the caller seem uninformed. He is arguing in bad faith and not doing what you describe, he has no interest in finding 'truth' as Socrates did.

@@ZachAsaD Did you read my previous comment? I think I clearly demonstrated that that is not what he is doing. Of course, there are always some low hanging fruit that he can make look silly, but my previous point stands. He is toxic to rational and reasoned debate. I don't see how anyone who is genuinely interested in finding truth can support his approach or attitude, let alone put him on a stage like this to crow and preen. Anyway, each to his own, this thread isn't going anywhere.

@@Dionysos640 IRONY: a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often wryly amusing as a result. SOCRATIC IRONY: a pose of ignorance assumed in order to entice others into making statements that can then be challenged. Both forms of irony apply here. I assume you think James is using Socratic irony. I would disagree as I showed earlier when he contorts and twists meanings rather than seeking truth. It is possible I have misunderstood, but your comment has not helped to show me how.

"When arguing with a fool make sure the other person isn't doing the same thing"

@@xellos5262 that's exactly what i am talking about. I almost included that line in my original comment! Kudos!

I don't think James has a problem with that one. Most of the people who call him seem to be fools. Thinking about it, if you know nothing but have strong opinions, you must be a total idiot to call James.

@@PanglossDr "Most of the people who call him seem to be fools." That's called a selection bias. However, the most popular videos on here are when he's arguing with idiots but that doesn't make up the majority of his show. It's like if you saw the highlights of a football match - you'd think the match was all great goals and better saves but an actual football match consists of a lot of passing the ball between the defenders. That's another selection bias.

Mephistopheles he’s famed for challenging lies of brexiters. Think you’re missing that

@Truthful Chap That's what you got out of this talk? That his straightforward and nonchalant dissection of the original meanings of terms of abuse meant one specific "scandal" that happens to be on your radar? And this means he's "dangerous" for explaining what the labels refer to? How peculiar.

"people who hold ideologies that preclude them from seeing the real picture" like yourself per-chance?

**high5** then :D

@Mephistopheles No. Getting someone to talk like this is pretty good, even if he is a complete moron, a conman, a stoner and winner of 12 Darwins. I mean, I actually have no idea who O'Brien is, but the talk itself is fine, regardless of his reputation or credibility. What do you object about it? It's also a great speech, engaging, provocative, polite, all without any bulls__t powerpoint slides. I'd even listen to a talk from yourself about, oh, let's say, quantum mechanics, if you had something as interesting to say, regardless of how much of a dick you are on KZfaq.

He knows all about the application of health and safety on building sites. Spouting off once again O’Brien,

UK IS PART OF EUROPE!!! IT'S EUROPE... WHAT ABOUT YOU TALKING??? ITS 2019..NOT MEDIEVAL TIMES!!

You are a tit.

Hello! I have been dispatched by THE-ARGUMENTATRON to argue with you, as was requested. As white - you get the first move

@@roidroid Did you just assume my skintone? Allow me not to enact this emotional labour

what a PERFECT START

@@Alianger Did you just assume he referred to your skin tone? Shouldn't you leave yourself open to the possibility that it had no racial background?

Whites move first in a Chess board....

I have no idea who this man is, but nothing you said sounded vile at all?

Free movement within Europe, something that has been normal for Europeans for 30 years, so it is hardly something that benefits only JOB. Is it any surprise to you that he (and millions of others) feels European? And "Economic certainty" is *self-centred*? Hmmm. You are annoyed about him earning good money, but you're not describing the pro-Brexit politicians and businessmen who have enough money to assuage any financial/economic consequences as "vile"? Many of whom who have dashed out and got EU passports as well as maintaining overseas properties?

Austen... Do you literally search for every JOB video and post the same shite.. Over and over... You really are a embarrassment

You forgot your normal Captain Backfire bullshit as well

The immediate fall into malice & abuse is sad & deadens discussion. No wonder so many people are utterly disenchanted with “political debate”.

What you don't like is that he is right on at least some points you are not willing to admit even to yourself.

We're still waiting for the trickle-down that Thatcher promised us. You know what's trickled down? Zero hours work, schools begging for materials funding, bookies and charity shops dominating the high street.