How to Find the Right Pickleball Paddle For You

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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
1:33 - More eyewear discussion
11:21 - Six Zero Bag Update
15:47 - Vanguard Control Thoughts
27:41 - Oklahoma Pickleball League
34:53 - How to Pick the Right Paddle for You
36:32 - Swing Weight
42:44 - Twist Weight
51:15 - Handle Length
53:09 - Shape
55:21 - Spin
57:58 - Edgeless vs Edge Guard
59:35 - Thermoformed Paddles
1:01:35 - Surface Type
1:04:53 - Cheap Brand vs Expensive
1:06:19 - Ignore the Marketing Fluff
1:09:58 - Minnesota PPA
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@af02271 3 ай бұрын

Need an updated paddle company tier list asap!

@KTCHNPickleball 3 ай бұрын

💯

@vonEgyptPickleballLeague 3 ай бұрын

Chris, you talk about how many cheaper paddles perform around the same as the Perseus. I think a video comparing cheaper paddles to more expensive (big name) paddles, such as the perseus would do really well.

@briotiactive 3 ай бұрын

Aw, you did us wrong Chris. 🤣 You’ve got to compare the look of our sun lens to the other sun lenses. Clear lenses from any company never look as good as a sun lens. Appreciate the shout! New models coming soon. 🕶️

@hvvuong-to6zk 3 ай бұрын

Ria eyewear for the win!!!! I’ve had mine since October 2023. No issues with fogging up doesn’t even feel like they are on at all. Bit pricey but worth it if it means I get to play pickleball and play without any hesitation. I played against someone with the new gear box paddle and the ball flys off that paddle. One hit to the eye with that ball and it’s game over for your vision. Model name is called Reflex Clear HD if anyone is wondering.

@jackstein5486 3 ай бұрын

Big fan of you and Will! I happen to have been in the eyewear business both designing and bringing eyewear to market for over 25 years. There are certain materials in frames and lenses that are necessary in order to absorb the impact of a pickleball being hit at high velocity while protecting the receiver from injury and not being damaged from the impact. In addition, polarized lenses with their glare blocking feature actually are not a good fit for pickleball or tennis as the lenses tend to inhibit depth perception. We are currently designing some proper pickleball frames along with the appropriate lens sets and will send you and Will some production pickleball protective eyewear when they are ready. Thanks again for your terrific videos!

@foggybottomz 28 күн бұрын

I hope you have some Asian fit/low nose bridge fit models in the works!

@jackstein5486 28 күн бұрын

@@foggybottomz Sorry, we decided not to enter the pickleball realm. I just want to play!😄

@picklepaul 3 ай бұрын

him not hearing the 3.5 joke was so funny lmao

@qauckerman7629 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the great pod as always! One of the best parts of my week guys!

@JordanYeagerPB 3 ай бұрын

I look forward to the pod every week!

@KTCHNPickleball 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the mention you guys! Always appreciated. Keep crushing!

@kedlb53 3 ай бұрын

Was not wearing eye protection up until a couple of months ago. Started wearing it just in case. Glad I did, popped in the glasses a couple days ago to the point where the frames cut my nose. Will be wearing something going forward!

@vincentszymborski359 3 ай бұрын

Great podcast, variety of content sets it apart. Well done!

@JoelleCaron-WpgLV 3 ай бұрын

I use the Gearbox sunglasses with smoke colored lens for outdoor and clear lens for indoor. I like that they have a slim fit version for people with smaller faces. For $40, I think they are a great option. Would you add them to the group of glasses you will try as a comparison as I would be curious of what you think compared to the more expensive brands. Goodnight, Chris!!😂

@huddy025 3 ай бұрын

I wear Oakley sunglasses, so I am going to get clear lenses so I can play with them indoors or at night.

@miatafunrun3078 3 ай бұрын

Eyewear will be as common as a biking helmet in the near future. It is not IF but WHEN a top pro gets hit with serious consequences that the general population will wake up. I always wear sunglasses outside and use to not wear anything indoor. Then I got wacked hard in the eye outdoors and thank god I had sunglasses on. It would have been a trip to ER for sure. I went out and got some eyewear for indoor playing.

@2be1withU 3 ай бұрын

I use Bolle Safety glasses. It has ansi Z87.1 impact rating

@daveritson2435 3 ай бұрын

I have worn protective eyewear since getting hit in the eye a year ago. My glasses of choice are the Gearbox RB. Fyi, I was hit again this past weekend by a net cord shot and the only damage was a small scratch to the lens.

@mariacopre4106 3 ай бұрын

Loving the discussion & plans to cover PE! Yesss 👀🎉💪 Cant wait! Please address anti-fog options (wipes, sprays, brands) & what works best! 🙌 Thats why most players (like me) end up removing our PE after the first game...

@ljbar2015 3 ай бұрын

Much better take on protective eyewear compared to the Picklehead Podcast. And...just a great podcast in general. My favorite...

@CheetahPickleball 3 ай бұрын

Speaking of protective eyewear...we include a pair of Jorestech glasses with every paddle purchase. These glasses are ANSI Z87+ Certified and also provide UV (UVA and UVB radiation) protection. They also block blue light. Removing blue light improves sharpness, enhances contrast, improves depth perception and even reduces eye fatigue.

@enzobot 3 ай бұрын

been liking these random nocry's on amazon.

@drizzify7850 3 ай бұрын

The sneak diss at 57:37 was too good. 3.5 hearing

@PickleballStudio 3 ай бұрын

Hahaha the face time lag prevented me from hearing it while talking. That’s hilarious. 😂

@kakendrick 3 ай бұрын

I would love to see some of the lower priced eyewear like the Gearbox vision, Onix Owl, and maybe some racquetball glasses compared with some of the expensive brands like Ria and Oakley. As always, I love the channel and content!

@brianbanks3044 3 ай бұрын

i have tried 3 different eye protection glasses so far...the Onix was good for protection and sight but the pressure on my head behind my ears was too much to bear...I then got the CRBN Pivot with bottom piece removed and so far they feel good, they are transition lenses and don't put my head in a vice...I have a pair of Oakleys coming soon that I got a good deal on, the Flak 2.0XL clear lens...after getting hit in the eye 2x over the past 3 months, it was time for protection

@khpickleball 3 ай бұрын

Love those BALLR hats!

@scubaseppy 3 ай бұрын

A HUD for Pickleball practice would be awesome. The net plane could light up in different colors for different percentages. And the court could light up in different colors on where to hit.

@JohnClem56 3 ай бұрын

Just bought a pair of prescription RIA Forte sunglasses. Wasn't my first style pick but it's the only model they have that works with a progressive lens. If I used a single correction lens they have several styles to pick from. The glasses are tested/certified to meet Z87.1 impact resistance. In the case of the Forte, they can take an 80mph impact from a pickleball flush on the front of the lens and not break or have any part of the lens/frame impact the eye. Needed sunglasses anyway and figured I should just go ahead and get something that's going to provide some protection. Hope I made a good choice since with the prescription lenses it's not cheap.

@sesamesprinkles 3 ай бұрын

57:35 what a very wholesome moment for Chris

@paulelkins425 3 ай бұрын

I've tried countless paddles to date. Many were very underwhelming while a few were pretty good. However, I haven't found a paddle that perfectly suited my game. TBH I wasn't sure what was missing until watching this in depth paddle guide. So thank you for providing such thorough descriptions of paddle attributes and materials! Could you please post which make and model utilize the amazing C4 Explosion Core technology? That's definately what I've been searching for this entire time! 😂

@pickleballnic 3 ай бұрын

Oakley Prizm Golf or Dark Golf lenses (have a rose base color tint) that are NOT polarized... seems to be the consensus for object related tracking sports in both bright and low light conditions. Get the style you like, I went with Sutro Lites in Prizm Golf lenses for my 50 year old eyes. Tried several lenses and glasses... and settled on these FTW! Not to mention that I have no worries now when wearing them at the kitchen line against the Fearbox Power. LFG!!!

@JD-nu1fw 3 ай бұрын

This is hilarious because I am from OKC. Former college tennis player who just found Pickleball. Did not think I would be hearing OKC on here.

@user-bf7ll8oe8z 3 ай бұрын

Rudy Project glasses are a great option too. Haven't seen them mentioned yet. The Impact X Photochromic Lenses work great when it's bright and when it gets darker and the lights come on. Have several pair I wear for USPSA pistol shooting and mountain biking. Mostly been wearing the Propulse model from Rudy with photochromic lenses...they have pretty good venting so no issues with fogging up. You should try those out as well Chris!

@zeruth467 3 ай бұрын

I’m not a Selkirk guy for the same reason, but the only thing that makes me love it is the swing weight option, I’ve always wanted a good sweet spot, elongated 16 with good pop. The one I’m demoing has better pop, similar power (because I’m swinging faster), and way faster hands, and better control than my flash14, and I’m a Vatic rep

@zerosushi2172 3 ай бұрын

this the vanguard control ?

@gabewoh20 3 ай бұрын

Chris taking balls to the face within the first minute of the podcast is crazy

@lilremylote 3 ай бұрын

You mean…Ball MAGNET 😅

@JorgeOmarGonzalez 3 ай бұрын

The main question concerning eyewear is which one allows you to get your prescription added to them?

@echochapman7657 3 ай бұрын

I keep trying to wear eye protection, and know I should, but always take them off within the first game because they get sweaty and blurred, Tried several brands, and like the CRBN, hope I can get used to them at some point. Looking forward to the PPA on Sunday, my first time going to watch the pros.

@shalpher844 3 ай бұрын

I always wear safety glasses now. Gearbox. They are good. But they fog up (even with anti fog spray in Florida) and could have better clarity. So, I’m thinking of upgrading to Oakleys.

@magicbuss2117 3 ай бұрын

Will = schilling at 18:00 Love Tifosi eyewear, they have some interchangeable lenses in a few different frames and lots of lens color options I also have a Melin problem

@lesterma1608 3 ай бұрын

The video quality now is tops! Great job!

@ronjones1360 3 ай бұрын

We’ve been wearing eye guards for racquetball for 30 plus years. Many come with tinted lens.some brands Head, Python,

@gg80108 3 ай бұрын

So many paddles. Static Weight is a good way to eliminate some. Hybrid shape knocked those out too. Skinny handle, no txs. I got the Cliff paddle, its good, light, long, square, nice handle, price is right.

@foggybottomz 3 ай бұрын

I really like your emphasis on PPE. I would love to know if you’ve come across eyewear brands that make styles for a low nose bridge (“Asian fit”). Also polarized lenses for outdoor wear.

@michaelchu94 3 ай бұрын

The Eyewear needs to be Z87+ rated. If not, then they're just overly expensive non-prescription glasses.

@richb8709 3 ай бұрын

My first non-Amazon paddle was a Selkirk Evo Soft I purchased a year ago. 2 months later the handle broke. Submitted warranty claim and promptly received a replacement SLK Evo Soft 2.0. Opened the package and the butt of the handle was already coming off. Submitted and 2nd claim and upgraded to a Halo for $60 more. Selkirk also gave me a $25 gift code for the trouble, which I promptly used to buy a Halo for my wife. So Selkirk warranty and customer service are excellent. QC and durability 🤔

@sky9848 3 ай бұрын

any thoughts on the new Yonex Vcore plus paddle? Thanks!

@ujudith46 3 ай бұрын

I love my rias! I have been wearing since my friend took a ricochet to her eye , messed her cornea up! She still has issues

@lifesabeach8133 2 ай бұрын

"Women Repellent" Laughed my head off. Thanks!

@KnorSC 3 ай бұрын

Dewalt safety glasses at Lowe’s. UV and polarized

@samuraistabber 3 ай бұрын

You don’t want polarized. It messes with depth perception.

@philmeyer2367 3 ай бұрын

I have returned 3 paddles back to Selkirk under warranty. 2 out of 3 relpaced.

@zombiman303 3 ай бұрын

Can you go over what eyewear is best for playing in the sub

@kurt5347 3 ай бұрын

Have you tried or do you like Tifosi eyewear? They seem like they have some good safety glasses and are pretty stylish too. Also, do you feel or have you looked into how lens color can affect ball visibility? I’ve heard red lenses can help increase the visibility of the optic yellow ball. I think ALW has referenced this as well. Thanks Chris!

@desun75 3 ай бұрын

this is so comical, watching Will‘s face when Chris bashes Selkirk

@ShadyGemini 3 ай бұрын

Are regular sun glasses good enough for eye protection? What features can I look for to prevent fogging.

@shalpher844 3 ай бұрын

I have both the Halo Control and the Luxx. I should’ve returned the Luxx, as I didn't like it. I bought the Vanguard Control as I considered it an improvement over the Halo (better performance), and I like the more durable face and lifetime warranty of the Vanguard. I am a paddle nerd and also own a 6.0 DBD and Engage Pro 6.0 Ex. I liked the Halo better over the competitors paddles, and went back to it. So, for me the Vanguard Control was a desired upgrade. And I was able to pick the lightweight (received 7.3 oz) option and the Vanguard swing weight of 110 are awesome. Adding weighted tungsten tape to a light paddle is the way to go for me. Can’t lighten up a heavy paddle. And the spin is good and better than my Halo.

@pickleballangst 3 ай бұрын

@Will - Yo - How does your Ballr hat compare to the Melin? It's def much cheaper! :)

@adamsalafia6324 3 ай бұрын

Hey Pickleball Will I am also from OK as well. I noticed that you're wearing a Ballr hat. I was wondering if you had the chance to play with Ballr Heat

@mathaddicts100 3 ай бұрын

Not sure if you wear contact lenses, but could you cover prescription protective eyewear? Depending on high your prescription is, you cannot necessarily order rimless glasses or glasses without the bottom frame. Some prescription glasses only allow a prescription up to -4.0. I unfortunately have a much stronger prescription, so my choices are limited. I would be interested in protective eyewear/goggles that go over glasses too given my prescription is so strong. I also would benefit from bifocals or progressive lenses. A lot of middle aged and seniors need this feature. Do safety glasses work just as well? I have a pair from Walmart that were like under $5. I tried them last night with contacts on. A bit blurry on the periphery, but seemed to work. Not very attractive though. Thanks! I'm starting to shop.

@Natedavis4444 3 ай бұрын

Volair Mach 2 Forza review 🙏🏽

@bigoprotege 3 ай бұрын

Hey Will, While in San Antonio, check out Fairchild Park. 18 free courts.

@PickleballHangout 3 ай бұрын

Could prescription eyewear be a separate category? I've never been a fan of transition glasses /sunglasses, but I could see that working better for pickleball if that's an option.

@blackcayman64 3 ай бұрын

Is the new Gamma Control paddle as good as the Selkirk Luxx?? Been waiting for this answer 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 please

@FarmerLankyPickleball 2 ай бұрын

Could you put the safety glasses on a dummy and have the ball machine fire the ball directly at the glasses to check durability?

@Thanhphong 3 ай бұрын

My bag handle just ripped last week and I sent it back for a replacement

@DinkSmashMedia 3 ай бұрын

I used the Selkirk warranty on the Amped series like 4 or 5 times and they Vanguard Power they act like they never made once.

@airplanemode213 3 ай бұрын

Wen "Willinator"?

@jpize 3 ай бұрын

@pickleballstudio do you have a code for RIA?

@phtz 3 ай бұрын

I wear sunglasses all summer. I wear some knockarounds with clear lenses indoors for winter, but in some venues they fog up like crazy. :(

@bunsen27 3 ай бұрын

Protective eyewear is becoming MUCH more prevalent at my local courts. I think it's a good idea as the ball is traveling faster now and many people are speeding up lower balls at the kitchen that often results in a head high trajectory. Fortunately nobody has been seriously injured yet, but it is eventually a likely scenario. The Oakley Flak Jacket XLJ's and Radarlock Path were my go to glasses for almost a decade for any outdoor activity. I always preferred the amber based lenses; Tungsten and Gold Iridium. However, once they released the Prism lineup the Road lens ultimately became my preferred, I believe all the Prism are a rose base color. Since I can no longer wear contacts I've had to resort to Rx sunglasses and my current amber polarized are not the best in my experience. The tint and light transmission are good, but I feel the polarization aspect for me just does not work as I tend to misjudge ball trajectory (depth perception) a lot more versus clears or just tinted lenses. YMMV

@tonysanturce1044 3 ай бұрын

Would you please indicate which eye wear company makes protective prescription eyewear Thanks, great show guys.

@PickleballStudio 3 ай бұрын

I believe Oakley and Ria Eyewear both do.

@zerosushi2172 3 ай бұрын

what paddles would you say for the money would be as close to the vanguard control then?

@larryshively8194 3 ай бұрын

I was hit in the eye when the ball ricocheted off the tape and luckily I am a glasses wearer

@hruntingson 3 ай бұрын

On Kevlar, they probably meant it is more elastic/resilient referring to impact. Just by the attributes of the material. Carbon fiber is very strong and stiff but is more brittle. In some KZfaqrs vid they put a worn carbon fiber face under a microscope and found broken fibers. So they might not have meant texture durability. I could be wrong. 🤷‍♂️ it would be interesting to see a carbon fiber vs Kevlar wear test.

@benjaminleavitt3666 3 ай бұрын

If you could show the parts of the paddle when talking about them I think it would be pretty cool for people who don’t know.

@johnlashorne9184 3 ай бұрын

Keep in mind the ASTM 803F standards for racket sports eyewear.

@ThiccBoi23 3 ай бұрын

eyewear is a must. I probably would have lost both eyes at this point w/o them

@aarongoldberg2513 3 ай бұрын

The top pros skip the Minnesota event every year because of the weather and inconvenience, not the surface. A lot of people seem to feel like the Vulcan actually bounces more than other balls, but we’ll see. It’s too bad it struggles staying in round because otherwise it’s a clear upgrade on the dura.

@PICKLEBALLBZ 3 ай бұрын

I'm now curious. When I see pickleball paddle spreadsheets where RPM's and Top speeds are listed they all vary from reviewer to reviewer. And when the reviewers are saying top speed averages like 60-70 MPH, when pros like Ben Johns can hit 85MPH plus. It seems like the review stats are really unreliable. Especially when looking to buy the top speed or top rpm paddle. Weights of paddles, swing weights, grit, etc. all have tools that can be used. Someone, maybe Pickleball Studio needs to get some engineering students to build them a top speed and rpm machine as a college project. It can be adjusted to equal a player who can swing at X speed = output. Obviously a machine can do better than a human. But you could get some of the pro's to hit a paddle a few hundred times. Get their max numbers and adjust the machine until it matches the top players speed and rpm with the same paddle. It would provide a more accurate numbers.

@stymeron 3 ай бұрын

Yup, do the eyewear thing...

@vincepetrilli2852 3 ай бұрын

Ria is pronounced [‘rai-ya] not [ree-uh] just fyi. I love this eyewear. I have a pair of the reflex with all the lens options. A bit pricey but not more than losing an eye.

@christianhammon7432 3 ай бұрын

What's the difference between just wearing sunglasses vs "protective" eyewear? (i.e. Ria Forte that look like RayBans).

@joem6010 3 ай бұрын

Here are my thoughts on "grit" durability with all of the various raw carbon/kevlar/fiberglass paddles. The actual hitting surface is actually the epoxy that has texture molded in from the peel ply before the epoxy cures. So what is wearing out is that top layer of epoxy. It almost doesn't matter if the paddle has carbon fiber, fiberglass, or epoxy. It comes down to the durability of the epoxy used because that is the thing that is smoothing out with use. Better grades of epoxy might have slightly more durability before the surfaces eventually begins to smooth out. I still wonder what happens as the wear occurs to the point where you get more exposed kevlar in paddles that have that hitting surface. Would that surface be any more grabby? Carbon fiber can be sanded and will sand smoothly. But kevlar is difficult to sand and can literally ball up and have a fuzzy surface instead of getting sanded smooth.

@philmeyer2367 3 ай бұрын

Just got my prescription safety goggles on Monday. I have been hit in the face 3x in the last 2 months. Only bled 1 out of the 3.

@patrickaugie9442 3 ай бұрын

When do you think you will be doing an eyewear show? There is a lot of info out there but most people trust you more than marketing press.

@terogan 3 ай бұрын

I’ve probably used Selkirk’s warranty 4 times and have told 2-3 others how to use it.

@danstinson7687 2 ай бұрын

Whats the word on Pro Kennex Pro Speed II

@thehiddenfamily 3 ай бұрын

If they made glasses that were simple and better looking people would be more inclined to wear them. I just want to wear something that protects my eyes and doesn’t mess with my depth perception. Amazon has been my best friend bought some and just popped the lenses out and I’m good

@user-vw8it8hy3x 3 ай бұрын

Try the GearBox Glasses

@user-vw8it8hy3x 3 ай бұрын

I’ve been using the GearBox yellow and blue lenses for different indoor lighting situations, try them

@greghetrick5804 3 күн бұрын

What is a good beginners paddle?

@webstermiller7765 3 ай бұрын

Vanguard Control is 2024's version of the Franklin STK...

@echotango-az 3 ай бұрын

Do you know the swing weight on the vanguard control lightweight invicta? I saw the midweight at 114. Thanks

@PickleballStudio 3 ай бұрын

I saw 107 from a friend

@echotango-az 3 ай бұрын

@@PickleballStudiothanks for the response.

@DrDinks-po8jr 3 ай бұрын

At around 19:00 I think Will confused the Luxx with the Vanguard Control

@toninorcross2611 3 ай бұрын

I need clear, anti fog glasses for indoor. What are the best anti fog?

@kageyami7749 3 ай бұрын

Antifog wipes are best investment

@carlrodrigues6919 3 ай бұрын

Wipe on shaving cream then wipe off that thin layer gives you fog protection

@MrDude2237 3 ай бұрын

So which Melin is y’all’s favorites? Also will struggled to say nice things about Selkirk cause he knows….

@PickleballStudio 3 ай бұрын

I like the A-Game shape.

@SandyMehay 3 ай бұрын

Can you please list names from top to bottom thanks

@terogan 3 ай бұрын

Most of the hits I’ve taken to the face are deflections of my or my partner’s paddle. Did take one to the throat off a feeble Ernie attempt. 🤦🏻‍♂️

@user-zq6pg2qo7v 3 ай бұрын

Is there a good no lens eye protection?

@PKB-AG 3 ай бұрын

Like a frame with bars just big enough to prevent a ball from getting to the eye - maybe an extension of the bones around the eye. Just throwing ideas out there...

@user-zq6pg2qo7v 3 ай бұрын

Anything that is just a frame with no lens to fog or scratch, that doesn't obstruct your vision either.@@PKB-AG

@masteringr6714 3 ай бұрын

The eyewear only needs to protect you from large round pickleball balls not tiny particles like you’re working in a wood shop. Not sure why people only look for eyewear that basically look like goggles. Find a really stylish pair of glasses and just wear those. Fortunately for me I already wear glasses so I don’t need anything else.

@lesterma1608 3 ай бұрын

With eye ware they must be vented in the summer or they will fog up!

@johnlashorne9184 3 ай бұрын

We call those birth control glasses.