One specific area in which I've had qualms with in regards to quick is primarily due to the excess amount of stars found within a quick comp, which more or less just got boosted by the fact that mighty chain got introduced along with giving quick the stars passive around less than a year ago, and I've thought about it time and time again about how theres still steps needed to make quick so much better in order to compete, which just kept on getting reinforced by S. Skadi and Kuku from what I can namely remember. Starting with S. Skadi first, it was a good step towards improving quick, however I'm really bothered by the amount of extra versatility of her skills, the downtime related interactions, and her NP. Her skills are really solid, it offers various cards to the table for quick and buster, with the part being that bothers me is the buster aspects found within her kit, buster already has no LACK of the features found within her kit, along with the fact being there wasn't really any demand for Quick-Buster centric supports due to how weak quick just is when compared to the Arts and Buster whilst having more and better options which makes them both more complete in comparison, Koyan for looping+skill/cd charger+buster starbomb and starweight + buster FC onhit NP charge, Castoria (nothing here needs to be said, best unit in the game with immense flexibility due to her skillset and support potential), Oberon the closest thing we have to a support for all classes, but more or less revolves around Buster, with Arts being next just because of the better options and choices available when compared to quick. Yammering on and on about this would be pointless as I've gotten the point across, but there was just no need to have made S. Skadi like this because quick has no excelling areas, along with lacking flexibility and support throughout all kinds of fights due to the small selection of units available. With what S. skadi offered to the table in regards to the usual quick comps filled a little of what was missing from quick team comps in regards to damage, np, and quick itself as a card. You can say that she provided a good foothold to cement a 2nd path in regards to what to do in the middle of turns where skills are on downtime, but it was simply lacking with how she was designed. She gives more extra stars for.. Buster? You use those stars for your dps to do.. Buster crits? On a Quick team? The more you look the quick-buster just shows, her kit wants you to utilize Buster crits as much as possible for your dps while keeping the quick part of normal Skadi. She did not help giving Quick cement itself as another option due to these facts, which leads me to my next point to show just how much is lacking in Quick. S. Skadi being a AoE NP was just quite horrible to see, due to the fact that Quick lacks in supportive identity for its units, aside from the first Skadi. The main issue with quick is the cooldowns and what to do with stars are found. My points with how many options Buster and Arts has in compared with Quick is because their options allow them to make utilize the strengths of both card types more fully. Buster has the options to tackle skill downtime to the nature of its card type of dealing the most damage, while also using crits and NP-related things to its benefit, along with the dps options being protected due to the supports present being able to help immensely, which more or less coincides with how Arts is too, just switch it out with the less damage and more NP type shenanigans, along with them also having the options just leaves Quick in the dust. For the majority of the game there is just disfavorability towards Quick due to them having a smaller amount of things to utilize in tackling their weaknesses such as nothing to do with extra stars, cooldown downtime issues, damage, along with regards to NP. The extra stars are just all wasted, no creativity in regards to that aspect. Cooldown issues apparent when there are various aspects about Quick supports need facecards of the dps in order to function properly for a good portion which is said in the video, entirely RNG. They made Quick into this problem where it is lacking steps on what you should do with it. On your downtime with Buster you can use your supports to charge their NPs, or you can do damage with your main unit or a mix of the two. With Arts you keep on spamming as much NPs which synergize with keeping charge for all units due to all of them benefitting NP wise from the blue buttons. With quick you don't really have anything which utilizes their downtime, you can create more stars to crit more, but it still hits relatively less in comparison to Buster, and sure as hell doen't generate NP as much as arts, they also don't address their survivability issues in such, they don't really have a Castoria nor Merlin equivalent from them. You really just make more stars to try and crit, make damage and NP-related actions if rng is generous, until you have your skills up. There really just isn't anything that can make Quick stand as a complete card. My suggestions would prolly be making a new function in with Quick alone as the center as the other card types do not need it, and would help Quick find its identity. Something like Kuku functionality would be quite good for dps, but it also needs to fundementally change Quick as a whole by expanding the usage of stars and adding more, creative options in regards to dps and supports. For starters, we can dwell upon the the lacking aspect of survivability and downtime while keeping the damage and NP of current quick by making a unit that focuses around lowering cd for the entire team, while using a Merlin kit and NP, which you can then sacrifice stars for to add to the effect of the NP, however would increase this unit's base cooldown by one. Doesn't need to be exact but there just needs to be more options revolving around what quick lacks in. The star concerns should also be addressed possibly through making an NP in which lets you use it to deal damage and generate stars to be able to double crit for 3 turns or sumn for specific unit, look to something like Warframe's critical damage design, with the next turn being able to change 3 cards into all quick or possibly 2quick 1buster/arts divided card through discarding stars for three turns also, with you being offered the option to normally NP without the doublecrit function for versatility of supports and the unit also has a star gathering skill etc. There really needs to be more options and new additions to Quick.

The only issue I have with NP gain on quick is that it simply is already fairly low for the card type. Combined with oddly structured nodes, quick isn't always going to have 3 enemy sets to bail them out in that regard. It's partly why I think the future for quick won't improve much until we get a true devoted party charger.

@@Khadroth It does have lower np gen than arts for sure, but arts supports having np gain and quick not just magnifies the issue further and creates more divide that could be remedied

An "np gain" support won't fix Quick's problems. It'll just cement Quick in place as an inferior form of Arts. Quick's problem is moreso with it's identity; what it does best simply has no value compared to Buster and Arts. A major card-work rework is needed to balance Quick, not another meta support.

@@kun2588 always on board the 'quick needs an identity of its own' idea. Why not make a support that enables farming based on stars produced. Like Koyan enabled buster nps that were supposed to one burst and done, arts got castoria that lets it be looping back to back, why shouldn't quick have some support that reinforces its identity

@@Ashgrey0 so like if the enemies are killed by quick cards they have a higher chance to drop mats there that will fix quick and the game.

Really like the idea of spending stars for something, or getting buffs from having a lot of them. I think that making so that stars beyond 50 started boosting your crit damage would be a cool buff. Or honestly, just making it so that crit damage increases with the number of stars you have in general, not just beyond 50 (maybe the effect could dramatically increase beyond 50). Right now the optimal number of stars to have is the bare minimum needed to make your dps land buster/arts crits consistently, which is not many if they have a star absorb steroid; it's an amount that is pretty easy to obtain without ever touching a quick card. I think that quick card's identity is tied very closely with crit playstyles, so providing crit benefits would be a big improvement. This change would let both improve the damage viability of quick cards themselves, as well as make them an actually useful tool for setting up insane buster crit turns. But this is just me wildly coming up with ideas haha, I don't know if these would actually work in practice.

Yep it's kind of funny that the buster units are all the ones with the star consumption benefits. 😂

Yep I can not fathom how they've ignored adding low star quick support options for this long.

Bro on Jp 3-3 is dead every node is like 1-1 now and np isn’t the only way to farm now and it just so happens that because of all the stars and crit damage quick and buster servants can just crit a wave instead of relying on np or even np gain. The last thing any card type needs is a way to 3-3 loop.

@@6ToesHeACreature Unless I'm misremembering, 90++ are as irregular as 90+ nodes. There's all kinds of variations of layouts, but the health values necessitate either nps or crits, each with a lot of buffs. Given that the two premier quick supports only buff the crit damage of one type of card each and the way cards are subject to rng, its entirely possible to not have the right cards, in which case you're probably not going to have enough damage, and would be better off taking generic crit supports. Looping tends to be more reliable, unless they're going to add vanilla crit buffs to quick supports so that carding is more reliable. But buster can loop off any node since it's brute force charge, and there's several arts comps that can manage against irregular nodes. Quick can't really do that, and if its superpower of critting isn't reliable enough, then one side needs buffs. I just want for it to be looping, as there are a lot of servants with vanilla crit buffs.

Don't forget that Touta is now Buster support with a 10% charge as well after his Interlude on JP! That's incredibly frustrating as it shows they will go back and add color support to an older unit like Touta and Boudica, but never ever give any to Quick.

@@DeltafangEX Barto can literally be the support quick servant we need. Was looking forward to them making his quick buff targetable with his strengthening but that never happened 🗿

Another note: Yeah you could help quick’s refund and NP gain by having split NP charge supports and NP generation buffs, but that would just be making quick farming a worse version of arts farming. So face carding is imo the only way to make quick competitive with arts

I dont think such a support would work only for the quick meta, if anything it would be the Space Ishtar of the support gang, no? saber wars 3 with Space Sakura-face caster coming soon

@@pedromonteiro1196 Possibly. edit: It'd probably end up like Oberon where it's technically a buster support but used everywhere anyways lol

Yeah I know a lot of people want them to add more card manipulation. They have to be careful with the balance in that area, but at this point I can't deny that's what they're leaning towards with Summer Skadi allowing you to crit hard on buster cards as well. Still oddly enough I feel like Quick as a system needs its own calling card that shouldn't rely on the other card types.

@@Khadroth I can agree with that.

maybe give quick cards a critical up based on stars that got into the 2 cards you didnt chose like for each star on them get a 3% critical up

I think one of the issues I have with Osakabehime, is that so much of her capability is locked behind her np. One that she doesn't have a clear path to getting. A party charge would certainly be welcome for her, but even then I think I'd still like to see her get more in the way of survival and healing capability.

@@Khadroth Osakabehime is just not designed to be support unit but its clearly solo. She was supposed to be solo unit at the start so her skills and np helps in that however there are tons even other assasin that beats her in that so she was changed to be fully support, thats why she boost both quick and buster and once more she sucks at both.

I've seen solutions like this proposed before, another one would be adding some kind of quick up to waver. It certainly wouldn't hurt to have more options!

Quicks thing is generating stars, so using stars to generate np would b cool imo

Then it would gimp their ability to crit which would make them worse than Buster in CQs.

@@kun2588 idc what anyone says, skadi caster is a farming support servant, not a CQ servant. Making quick viable for farming > losing crit gimmick in CQ with skadi caster

@@gotchagaminggg Half of Skadi's steroids is in the crit bracket and her only other steroid is a debuff that is more relevant for CQs when the waves don't change...

@@kun2588 could also give the skill to a new servant 🤷🏼‍♂️ i wouldnt care either way

All card type up’s increases those cards or np’s power too.

Both. Card-color steroid enhances every aspect of the card.

There’s also a cap on stargen unlike np gain which makes quick even worse

they look so crammed in there :(

Haha they actually get plenty of time outside and I have a nice big backyard for them to run around in. Don't worry I love them too much to keep them constantly cooped up.

Are they only in there during your filming? Cause that makes sense so they don’t get in the way. But, it would be nice if u let them roam around your house most of the day.

@@josephogaz4754 Yeah theyre only in there during streams

@@Khadroth they should have given Okki party wide Charge on np instead of buster performance up, that would have helped quick in terms of staying power.

90+ and 90++ np gain is irrelevant.

Quick is literally better than Buster for anything below 90+ rn. On the higher end, they're better than anyone else at crit farming. Idk where this idea comes from that Quick is bad for farming.

Tbf the entire fgo community looks at quick as arts looping which is the problem. Everyone wants quick to have more np gain so quick servants can fully refund like arts servants (which funnily enough some can like Dantes though only against certain enemies) and that just straight up defeats the purpose of Arts at that point.

Or course I’m not saying they can’t slap a np gain buff on Skadi but really it won’t help the majority of quick servants tbh

@Djdhdd Shshs I agree, which gets back at Kad's point that they messed up right at the beginning with the Card's abilities. Not that it can't be fixed and they haven't made progress to that end, which he also mentioned, but if the goal is to keep the playstyles of Buster, Arts, and Quick differentiated the answer has to lie in addressing the issue generated by the core mechanics of the game rather than putting a band-aid on it with Servant design. The best Quick units are good despite being Quick and never because of it, generally speaking. I really do think axing card RNG is at least part of the solution. In the early years of the game it was probably necessary, but now with NP spam so trivial all it does is push people away from carding towards the NP you can more or less guarantee.

well... 😂

@@Khadroth aged like milk

Sen is the Quick equivalent of Morgan/SIbuki. Quicks generally prefer not to have 50% battery if it isn't split because they can't make use of their append otherwise.

@@kun2588 that’s my point - Sen is a quick equivalent. No single 50% or split 50%, just 30% and it was still considered impressive because she was Quick, whereas it would have been less so if she was Buster or Arts. It’s like they want to kneecap every quick unit. The fact that quick ‘prefers’ thirty for the append is also proof of the problem quick has in both limited Support and the reliance on append charge.

@@gogobebe8460 No, you've got that backwards. The 30% isn't impressive because she's Quick; it's because Quick can't use the append anyway and 30% is the same as a 50% unsplit to them either way so it's not a demerit. It's the same story with Buster, 30% charge is the same as 50% charge on T1 because of append. There is no preference here, a 50% battery is simply a waste for them because they can't make use of the extra 20%.

i think skadi caster need a skill strengening who gives her 20-30 self battery that way you can have her buffed NP more reliable and a new quick support with 30% party wide battery and healing