I got out of guardian without this video… I’m now a herald.

A great guide that really targets what we need to do to get promoted. I was a freshly promoted Herald a month ago. And ever since getting into Guardian I've been on a win streak, only losing when a teammate dced, or when we got really outplayed by the enemy team. Looking back at my games, I think what really worked was that after 10-15 minutes, which was the laning stage. I tried to stick to my cores, be it the carry, mid or offlane who is highest net worth or who's roaming around. I also ping or text me team with stuff like "follow the carry". This way, when we run into the enemy team or 1 or 2 enemy heroes, we usually get the body count advantage and win the fight. Then I just repeated it, won more fights and the advantage snowballed till we win the game!

I gained Crusader 1 for the first time last night, so I think I'm qualified to comment on Guardian mistakes. Definitely these highground failures are the most common way to throw from a winning position (or just make an easy game hard). Specifically: 1. Pushing straight up to T3 immediately after winning a fight and taking the T2 at 20 mins or so instead of going to Roshan. 2. Not having everybody on the same page and together, as in the video. 3. Thinking you have more of an advantage than you do. There are also games that you lose at 20 minutes because you are irrecoverably far behind. Most of the time this happens by chasing bad plays: That guy is almost dead so 2 of us chase under T1 and we both die instead of just letting him go. 2 Guys TP late trying to save the carry or whatever, but they have 5 and now we've lost 3-4 instead of just 1-2. Once you get a little behind you try to initiate on somebody that's stronger than you and it goes badly. Now you're a lot behind. For individual plays that improved my chances of winning, the easiest is just to always assume if you don't see someone on the map that they are immediately next to you in fog: It looks like a guy is all alone, and you think you can jump him with 2 (or even alone), but whoops it was the whole team actually. This is a huge creepwave, it will only take me a second to farm it - the Legion Commander is probably anywhere on this huge map except right next to me in fog waiting to blink and duel me, right? Now you're dead for a minute and the game is effectively over. Like Z says, there are a really broad range of types of players in Guardian and a lot are really good at some things (like Laning, Team Fighting, itemization), and bad at others. But these are the things that I felt held me back the most. Well that and the SMURFS ofc

Honestly very informative videos , I got out of guardian 1 to crusader 3 by watching these videos , Thank you so much

Hey Zach, PLEASE continue this series. This is valuable information and your commentary is pretty unique in the coaching space.

Excellent discussion as usual! As a Herald 5 (who hasn't even made it to Guardian yet!), I've been somewhat aware of these game plan tradeoffs, but it's nice to see it laid out clearly---should help in communicating to teammates.

I made it to Crusader from Guardian II in less than 3 months after recalibration. I was a previous 3.7K MMR player from 2013-2016.

Love your content man! Just got out of Archon and onto legend with your advice. Keep it up!

Another great video with super useful content. Thanks ZQ

Bless this man. it’s just unfortunate 90% of low-rank players can’t understand / implement what he’s saying.

Awesome video. I have restarted playing dota recently and I am making some of the mistakes mentioned in this video. This video definitely helped me. What would have helped me more is, if I have never restarted playing dota in the first place.

Great video!! a follow-up video would be awesome!

Thank you! This video took me from Guardian to Divine in only 3 games!

bro i love you. thanks for your advice - helps a lot

You captured the main issues with guardians well. I'm really glad I'm out of this bracket because 60+min games were quite common and the games felt incredibly stressful due to the fact that neither of the teams were capable of finishing the game at most times. Now I'm a bit stuck in crusader though. I feel like I still have a better game sense than most people in the bracket but I'm generally playing against players that have triple the amount of matches played compared to me, so they're more technically skilled and know their heroes/matchups better so I get outplayed a lot. But I would be glad to hear about your opinion on this bracket as well!

It's nice to see you making the same observations I have in my games... I've lost quite a few games because we team wipe, we take mid tower and barracks and then they split up to push lanes and I'm sitting there trying to beat ancient towers like WTF ARE YOU GUYS DOING. At worst they buy back, but at this tier nobody knows how to farm enough for buy backs late game most of the games I'm in. It's goddamn frustrating.

at last, now I can get out of guardian

Great video as always, but since this focuses on teamplay, is it possible to create a vid focuses solely on ones play, like applying those same tactics, but when to join teamfights when to ignore your team doing stupid stuff

Can’t wait to share this with my bois

Herald to Guardian, where u get to see supports farming while enemies are dead. ☠️

Watched this i was legend now guardian

Sometimes my smoke plays lead to great ganks. Other times they lead to horrible fights. Now I understand why! It’s like you were coaching my typical pub!

Honestly the biggest thing for me was just playing more lol, Grinded for 3 months and went from guardian to ancient literally just 3 games a day as a rule and actually trying to think aboutg what im doing, thanks for that replay review a long time ago btw

That fight @ example 1 gives me PTSD from my herald / guardian days

So I checked my losses and noticed a trend. I am behind on cs from where I usually am at 10 minutes every single time, but unless I'm the midlaner it feels like/I can observe 75% of the time I don't feel like my lane partner is ever on the same page about what is going on. Its something like I'm 0-3-0 by 6-8 min because I am getting charged by SB and they are showing up to lane late and spending time warding during first creep wave, I double stack jungle and farm it as the offlaner twice and I'm top of the teams networth by 12-14 min period and gotten some kills to bounce back. But the damage is already done. I got charged by SB 6 times while my earthshaker is buying a second bracer and upgrading wand then finally starts making 13 minute arcane boots while he stood in lane on

Good casting bruv, ricky is a fun play by play too. But more videos pleaseeeeee!!!

Got me at the SMURFS part 😂

This was how I got out of each bracket Herald - learn the game Guardian - spammed heroes (100 games of broodmother mid) Crusader - wave control and last hits Archon - map play, playing on timings Legend - get drunk and derank repeatedly Will update when I figure out how to stay in Legend

Great video. Time for how to get out of crusader.

Great vid!! Please do this as a series for all ranks How to get out of Crusader ….. Archon So on

Love that as well ss the ez teamfight kunkka effortlessly swiped the tormentor kill for his team as well.

That damn lifestealer from the first clip doesn't go manta + armor against Slardar, Dazzle and Drow. -30 armor

I feel like some of my ancient teammates still need to hear this ngl

Exited to see what Legend Rank video will be like. Would have loved more similar style to the Guardian video. Tho i was not disappointed from this vid is i think it very key to get a grip on teamfighting and beeing aware of what the team does.

Really insightful! Just saw your previous video as well for herald, and can i suggest you continue this and make it a series? like a full video for getting out of crusader to archon, archon to legend.. etc etc. I know you have a video broadly covering the assumptions, but I believe you've also pointed out there is some nuance as well sometimes that people stuck in those brackets dont realize. I myself have been stuck in crusader for YEARS now for over thousands of games. I've hit crusader 5 at 80% from rank up a few times, but can't seem to break into archon. I know my CS isnt always consistently above 60 when I play core, but I dont know the exact details of *how* to achieve this in some of games.. also when I play offlane I often dominate the lane, but dont know how to scale it into a win, esp when the other two lanes get bodied too hard, and on heroes like NS which require your team to understand your timings.

I see a lot in my unranked games, is sometimes the p1 is alone farming and there are two core/supp pairs roaming (aimlessly?), and the Pairs always run into a glob of Four Enemies and die. What's in the players' heads? I don't know. The 4-man death ball probably scales worse than pairs unless you feed it. There's a lot of considerations, I think the "Game Plan" is a good topic to spend time thinking about.

14:01 doesnt necro need to get bot fast to stop the push? I know you said walking was fine but with the bot wave pushed in like that, it feels like it would make sense. I'm only 1.2k though, so I'm legit asking. (also I posted my WK review request in your last video!)

Wait… so getting out of guardian is entirely not up to me, and has everything to do with how my team performs?

I think your herald advices are already good enough to reach 3k. I haven't seen a player that get consistently 50 creeps with lower MMR. If you add good positioning and fights it can set you up for 4k+.

From 1.2kmmr to 2.3mmr. Guardian to arcon the key is to have a good support and know how to gank while using smoke and ward placements. Mostly i spam SK as pos 3 with his OP scepter and warlock, ogre and venge or even dawn breaker.

I feel like so many people are just playing with everyone on mute now, it just feels impossible to get your team to go rosh in like 70% of games. If you go to the pit and try then it can take too long, they can contest and suddenly you are all dead and they kill the 60%hp rosh. It literally feels safer to just ignore it now.

Are you planning on doing "How to get out of....?" as a series for each bracket? Hard stuck in crusader

I have taken his advice in the past and I actually HAVE risen in rank above crusader. Take the info and use it to adjust your game.

How to get out of Archon? I've been stuck between 2.6k and 3k mmr for a while now (I play offlane)

I'm not sure if you have a losing streak video; I went from 1540 MMR to 1150 over a week of play. Now I need to get out of Guardian (again) :(

me 6400 mmr watching How to get out of guardian video just bcs i love zquixotix xd

Is there a way around team work? It is very difficult in sea xD

Stuck in guardian for a year I'll update if this vid works

Damn. Nailed it. Its usually the high ground push. And pushing together. This usually only happens post 40 minutes when the team would had a chance like this 15 minutes back. Including me. Capitalizing on when to push is something i never used to think of before. Usually is, oh, space to farm 😅 IMHO this is where most guardian to archon games tend to bottleneck at.

Im herald, close enough, im ready

pls make video about getting out of ancient , divine bracket

Atlast

Commenting for the algorithm, gotta keep it real here 👍🏼

Baing in gaurdian is all about muting the teammates and doing watever things u like. Fun and dystopia is unlike any bracket. Mostly this bracket is for solo queues.

Before you tell me, was it vision on the high ground they were attempting to push? Edit- Nope it was team fighting :(

I escaped guardian playing supports that can carry. Lots of witch doctor and warlock. Golem carry. Im almost out of Crusader now. At this mmr IMO you need to play carry or a support that can carry. Otherwise if your team’s carries suck (very common) it’s auto GG. It’s amazing how many games you end up doing all the killing as a support.

Are you gonna do a "How To Get Out Of Divine" one day?

10/10 guide but -1 for not addressing how to deal with immortal smurfs 🤣

Waiting for "How to get out of Legend". Thank you!

I’m Ancient, can you teach me how to drop to Herald?

Used to watch you when I played Dota, now I watch you because I play League lmfao There aren't lol content creators like u, no one goes in depth and talks this clearly and well in that game, and dota stuff mostly applies for league, so that's fun

Spam Veno! My 12 game streak with Veno with Double Downs just made me Archon today! 😂

Wait until my game plan is to Get safelane T1 in minute 5, if i could send 5 heroes and run it down including 2 str + 1 nuker

now how to get out of crusader?

i actually already got out of guardian, I am crusader 3 now

i was archon 5, now guardian 1, some people loves to loose. I do everything i can do but they feeders or do stupids things.

"What if Enigma was here" the video

can you climb if you can play 3 game a week?

I dont play dota for that long, 7 months into it, just recently hit Legend. So far a generell gameplan as in :do Rosh at 25, and/or before you go HG ; walk as a team to take over a jungle area on the enemys; make sure to make a safe zone for your core to farm up Radiance; etc etc. Something along those lines would be lovely to see in future videos. Tho i think with where i am going is more of a Archon/Legend Rank approach rather then Crusader. From what i´ve seen so far in crusader: staying activ and start playing with your team is allready enough, along having decent hands.

baiting your own team is pretty common in guardian/crusader lmao

The way I got out of guardian was playing healing supports and I was on like 20 win streak on it

herald, crusader, archon, legend Tier is the best for fun 😊

I was a legend player being incorrectly put in guardian once . I stomped like almost every game even with griefers on my team . Then valve said I’ve been incorrectly put inside the wrong bracket and put me into divine games . Then I got destroyed and now I’m back in legend lol 😂

guardian - legend = good mmr bracket to play carry legend - divine = good mmr bracket to play support and one trick the role

wisdom hear hear

5500 hours played, 4900+ matches, 2700 mmr here to says that if you want to get out of your league, go master 1 hero and spam the hell out of it, want to know cheat tips? master how to play terrorblade, ez flash farm, hard carry, low hp use sunder, oh your early get stomped by enemy? your skill is OP, the stronger the opponent the stronger the illusion of them, strong early game, strong mid game, strong late game ez mmr

Problem with the video (everything he said was correct) is that most good guardian players already know this, its just you cant tell your teammates this and have them do this consistently. Dota players will do what they think is best and usually cannot be convinced, especially the older players

Longer videoooooos!!!!

"How to get out of Archon" when? :D

Noones gonna steal your stacks in guardian and no matter how useless your team is a 5k gold lead will just win fights.

"Farm up until you're strong" - My safe lane Riki farmed for 27min yesterday... Kept his lane static at the T2 tower with 85 denies while the rest of the team played Dota. We won, he was 3rd highest net worth 😂

A problem is that 99% of moba/arts players play like the game is a TDM rather than like if it were a strategy game because of hype culture and overrating protag carries.

Get 4 more high rank friend and party up. They will proceed to win the game without you (most of the time)

The greedy goblins of DOTA never made it past the 3 minute mark. Guardian is pick a scaling hero and then wait for the nine other heroes to fuck up and force the game late.

I got out of guardian without this video as well. Uninstalled this bitch of a game. So over dominating and still losing #supportlife

the issue is , SMURFS! lolol

haha, but noone talks in these ranks.... :(

i boosted my brother from crusadar to archon 3 and i am only ancient lol

oh god plz 🙏 match me up with all the players watching this video

the problem is i never in guardian my lowest rank is legend

Most ive seen are beyond saving

Yeah but 9/10 players are “immortal smurfs” so idk wcyd

I am CELEBRAET

There is no objective in SEA.

Smurfs playing Single Draft making the players stay in Low Prio forever.

but bsj told me to tho

Bro no matter what you do how well u play. Depends on the players you get. I just dropped from archon to crusader in 48 hrs. Dota is fking rigged. Because you could have a perfect behavior score and get some of the most toxic noob players ever

I know how. *uninstall button*

The problem with the whole thing is the human factor. In this respect, the video is great, but in almost every game there will be a carry that farms until defeat. Or a core that farms until defeat. Or a support who doesn't play his role and also farms until defeat without having placed a single ward. And if you give them hints about what they should do, the human factor kicks in again and they do what they want. One or two players like that and you'll lose even against teams that are actually weaker.

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