How to get SOLAR POWER...without installing anything

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Emily & Clark's Adventure

5 ай бұрын

We were asked to review another battery power station. I usually say no to these requests but I liked a few features of this one so I decided to talk about it. It has LiFePO4 batteries which I really like and it can charge really fast from AC power.
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@californiakayaker
@californiakayaker 4 ай бұрын
I REALLY like the Licitti, and others in my group have jumped on it. I really believe the Licitti was -designed for the 280/310 AH Lithium Battery cells, 4 of them, with your own BMS. Measure the size, it fits them perfectly ! I really appreciated your video and jumped on it. For a ham or a on board sailor, having a powerful source of 12v you can carry to shore or to someone else's boat is incredible, and its also got 110 volts ! And the price is right regardless of what you put in it. The only thing I would add, and it would be easy to do, is a Low Voltage Disconnect. Well, fairly easy. There is plenty of room inside even with the four 310AH cells. I would build up a special one, with a really large relay maybe, it would be something other than the 10 to 20 amp relays you see on most BMS's in many batteries (Limits the output of the Battery to 10 or 20 amps) . Also, I think I'd change out the MPPT to a high voltage one capable of more watts with series panels or one 40 volt one at least. Sorry to not be talking about your power station but, after all, if your a ham, this post is for you. N6GRG The one you demoed is like to higher priced Licitti's they offer I think. Hello EMILY !
@karlisruments3068
@karlisruments3068 5 ай бұрын
Your comment about making the biggest shadow with the solar panels for optimum angle to the sun was helpful. I use a dart with a suction cup, found with a child's dart gun, place it in the center of the panel and when you see NO shadow your angle is good.
@EmilyAndClark
@EmilyAndClark 5 ай бұрын
Good idea. But I'd lose the dart.
@benkanobe7500
@benkanobe7500 5 ай бұрын
From my experience (doesn't mean the same a yours...), for a 25 foot LOA or less day/bay or costal boat, this would be idea compared to trying to equip your boat like a blue water boat. You could keep/up grade your original 12 volt system (maybe add LiFePO4 battery(s) ) , but have a place for this with pre-wired 120VAC connection. Just pop this guy in place at the dock, plug it in, and your twenty five footer now has power like a blue water boat. Add two RV 200Watt flexible solar panels (or just one) and you could have tons of power for days! Fantastic!
@EmilyAndClark
@EmilyAndClark 5 ай бұрын
Yes for that size boat this makes a lot of sense And you can take the power system home to serve other duties.
@shibby5535
@shibby5535 3 ай бұрын
Another great video. Thanks for sharing.
@MiQBohlin
@MiQBohlin 5 ай бұрын
Nice go through! I'm just about to go into this moment, as soon as the weather is turning into spring.
@gilbertarzner
@gilbertarzner 5 ай бұрын
I have a Bluetti 200P that has 2000Wh(50V,40Ah) capacity. I just recently hooked it up to 600 watts of solar to see how it did. The panels charged it right up to 100% in 3 or 4 hours on a sunny day and was great. The thing that I didn't realize was that the 40 amp hours would work great to run my small chest freezer if the sun shinned every day, it wasn't enough for cloudy days. So, to run the freezer, I will need to add more battery storage to get through cloudy days. Maybe 100 more amp hours.
@billdomb
@billdomb 5 ай бұрын
Great job on this one; thanks
@marklapierre5629
@marklapierre5629 5 ай бұрын
Thanks Clark.
@californiakayaker
@californiakayaker 4 ай бұрын
A tear down would have been good, to see the volts and amp hours of the battery, the company doesn't say on their / your Amazon link.
@johnnylightning1491
@johnnylightning1491 5 ай бұрын
It's not something I'm probably interested but if I were it looks like a nice unit. Keep the good stuff coming Clark and cameralady Emily.
@SmithDrewSmith
@SmithDrewSmith 2 ай бұрын
How sure are you that this is really a 2096Wh battery? It seems to be half the weight and cost of other 2000ish Wh stations. It doesn't seem to be available any more, but I would appreciate the comfort of knowing I didn't miss out on a really great deal.
@EmilyAndClark
@EmilyAndClark 2 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure it was legit.
@justinschuchat3650
@justinschuchat3650 5 ай бұрын
The yellow connectors are XT60. There's also a larger plug called an XT90. Very common in the portable Solar and Remote control community. There is also a similar looking plug that us orange.
@EmilyAndClark
@EmilyAndClark 5 ай бұрын
Thanks Justin. I just spaced, I don't use a script. I think this was the 30 amp sized one.
@kurttosczak8544
@kurttosczak8544 5 ай бұрын
I think the plug that you couldn't remember the name of is an XT. It is used a lot for RC vehicles and drones. There are various models depending on the power it can handle (XT30, XT60, XT90)
@EmilyAndClark
@EmilyAndClark 5 ай бұрын
Yep that's it. Thanks. I could only remember that it was the one with the amp number in it. Now you know I don't work from a script.
@jeffdege4786
@jeffdege4786 5 ай бұрын
I have a Bluetti I've been using on my boat for the last year. Eventually I'll put in a built-in system, but there are higher priorities. At the current stage of my boat rebuild i don't have a house bank, so I wired my power station into the DC distribution panel. The boat was in a slip, so i wanted power for the bilge pumps. I quickly discovered a limitation. The internal circuitry of the power station draws power, so simply being on, with no external load, would drain the battery in three or four days.
@junkerzn7312
@junkerzn7312 5 ай бұрын
You don't have an AC hookup to just plug into the Bluetti ? Or just leave a small portable solar panel strapped down to the deck, connected to the solar input of the bluetti. Make sure that the bluetti properly handles restarting charging in the morning when the sun comes up though (some older models don't). You should be able to generate enough energy to overcome the losses. One or two 75W panels should do the job. There are very, very cheap discrete solutions that can be slapped together with a solar panel or charger. e.g. like a 20Ah LifePO4 12V battery ($60) + Victron 12V 5A blue-smart battery charger ($85). = $145 total. Or pair that battery ($60) with a small 75W solar panel ($60) and a Victron 75/15 smart solar charge controller ($70) = $190 total. (not including minor additional cabling that may be needed) (Again making sure that the panel is sufficient to maintain the battery in the face of the bilge runs. Having an AC charging source from the dock would be the most reliable since solar in inclement weather might not produce enough to keep the battery up). (if buying Victron gear always buy the 'smart' version that has bluetooth built-in, BTW. And determine how much energy is actually needed, a little 20Ah / 20A battery might not be sufficient). -Matt
@jeffdege4786
@jeffdege4786 5 ай бұрын
@@junkerzn7312 It's a solvable problem, but it's one I didn't expect. If you plug an ordinary battery into a bilge pump, the battery will hold charge for months. For that matter, my Bluetti will hold charge for months if it's turned off. But its internal circuitry draws 20W or so, if the DC is on. I have an AC charger for the Bluetti, and as I was in a slip I could plug into the shore power pedestal. I also have a 100W folding solar panel, but I've not gotten around to soldering on the right connector for it, yet.
@junkerzn7312
@junkerzn7312 5 ай бұрын
USB-C PD ports can also negotiate 15V and 20V. 5V, 9V, 12V, 15V, and 20V. 100W is at 20V... basically high-end laptop level power. Though many USB-C ports are deficient in this regard, due to the USB-C PD delivery circuit being buck-only. For example, the USB-C PD output on a small power pack typically limits out at 12V. That said, most power-station-based USB-C's are able to negotiate 20V, since their battery pack is universally higher than 20V. 60W (20V @ 3A) is more typical than 100W (20V @ 5A). Not all USB-C cables can actually handle 5A. Many newer power stations have direct AC inputs. EcoFlow, Bluetti, Oukitel, etc. Even small ones like the EcoFlow River 2. But don't expect AC charging to be very efficient. Many newer power stations can *also* be charged via a USB-C PD IN or IN/OUT port, and this is considered to be a superior feature even though the max charge rate is lower, due to the extreme flexibility that USB-C PD has in mixing and matching equipment capabilities. As well as the higher efficiency and higher safety. -Matt
@davidcrosby2173
@davidcrosby2173 4 ай бұрын
Do you know if the inverter in this is pure sine wave or modified sine wave? I am looking at running a laptop, 2nd monitor, StarLink and a portable refrigerator. The batteries in my boat are getting old and I should probably look at replacing the batteries, adding inverters, etc. But, I also like the thought of being able to pack this up and go off camping instead of boating. I can build a more permanent solution on the boat later.
@EmilyAndClark
@EmilyAndClark 4 ай бұрын
Most everything is sine wave nowadays. This says it is. I don't see why it wouldn't be but I didn't drop my scope on it to verify personally.
@scottkrebs586
@scottkrebs586 5 ай бұрын
I don't see where it has a provision for an external / additional battery. That could be a bit of a drawback as it would be convenient, but I guess that's where one gets into the Ecoflows and Bluettis and so forth. I just received a watt meter from the jungle river website yesterday and I'm curious to see what my i7 13th gen laptop draws and how quickly it would flat-line something like this (especially with additional draws, microwave anyone?)
@EmilyAndClark
@EmilyAndClark 5 ай бұрын
Hi Scott. Microwaves use a bunch of power for a short period. It's surprising how little power it takes to heat up a plate of food. I guess I don't really think of that spare battery idea much. I guess it comes down to my bias for a built in system. 2000wh is about as much as I'd like to carry around. Beyond that I'd prefer a component system with better charging for the batteries. I really wish we had this one in the US for our next RV trip. It seems the right size for us. I'm even considering getting another one for the camper.
@scottkrebs586
@scottkrebs586 5 ай бұрын
@@EmilyAndClark I am leaning toward the 80's hi-fi installation for a permanent installation on the boat. We live in a reasonably rural area that is subject to power instability when there is weather instability. This is where the extra battery option would come in handy, Simple, easy, a little extra ass. EcoFlow Ultra is great if one has an extra ~$5K but that's not always optimal...
@junkerzn7312
@junkerzn7312 5 ай бұрын
I'm going to point out that you can always just take a 12V LiFePO4 battery and plug it into the "solar input" of almost any power station to increase the capacity of the power station. The power station will generally limit its draw to 8A (since it thinks it is a car adapter), but the power station can charge from it while simultaneously draining its own battery so this usually does not present much of an issue. Using the USB-C PD input on a power station to maintain its smaller battery from a larger source also works well. Often works even better than using the solar input. You do still have to have a way to recharge the external source, however. Branded, proprietary battery expansions such as those provided by EcoFlow are *EXTREMELY* expensive boat anchors and should be avoided.
@bitsurfr46
@bitsurfr46 5 ай бұрын
I am looking for a portable solar panel that I can mount on the foredeck of my sailboat while it is moored.. Do you think that this panel would stand up to prolonged exposure to the sun?😮
@EmilyAndClark
@EmilyAndClark 5 ай бұрын
First the 200 is probably too long once deployed for foredeck use but it's 100w little brother might serve For that kind of job there are two ways to go. Folding like this or flat. I like that on Temptress the flat flexies store under my couch cushions making them take virtually 0 space. A folding would take up some space but what I see as a manageable amount I of course haven't done any long term testing but I'd say these should hold up as well as anything not glass and aluminum. And I think the physical protection from making them a bit rigid should really extend their life. I have no opinion on how that front transparent layer will stay clear.
@bitsurfr46
@bitsurfr46 5 ай бұрын
How about a pair of 100-watt panels, one port, one starboard?
@EmilyAndClark
@EmilyAndClark 5 ай бұрын
Whatever fits.
@paulgarfield4196
@paulgarfield4196 2 ай бұрын
I’ve bought this unit. What Watt gas generator would you recommend?
@EmilyAndClark
@EmilyAndClark 2 ай бұрын
2kw minimum
@paulgarfield4196
@paulgarfield4196 2 ай бұрын
@@EmilyAndClark Thanks. Is there a maximum?
@EmilyAndClark
@EmilyAndClark 2 ай бұрын
Nope you can plug it into a nuclear plant if you like.
@paulgarfield4196
@paulgarfield4196 2 ай бұрын
@@EmilyAndClark 🤣 Thanks
@sng2225
@sng2225 4 ай бұрын
Does it have multi- voltage input such as 240v?
@EmilyAndClark
@EmilyAndClark 4 ай бұрын
I'll have to check. But you can just check the ad in the link. I'm sure they would say there.
@sng2225
@sng2225 4 ай бұрын
@EmilyAndClark thanks I checked and it does say for 110v only so it would need to have a power supply if required to charge from 240v.
@crazybill49
@crazybill49 5 ай бұрын
Great video Clark! It seems that every you-tuber out there is praising these things so I am naturally a skeptic. I have come to trust you and Emily a lot so I have some questions. It seems to be very hard to find the actual capacity of the battery in this thing. At 2096 watt hours which is their claim it would seem that it has at least a 160 amp/hour battery but I can't find that number in the advertising. If the inverter is putting out 2000 watts how long does it truly last? Did you test this like you have in all your other lithium battery videos? It would seem that if the inverter puts out 2000 watts for an hour then coupled with all the waste heat it would need at least a 200 amp hour battery to pull it off. At the weight of around 40 pounds with inverter, dc/dc and ac chargers etc. there isn't one of those in there. The numbers are starting to look a little bit stretched. At about a thousand dollars this is important stuff. Also I would assume the inverter is a good clean pure sine wave? Anyway, thanks for another informative video Clark. I look forward to more.
@junkerzn7312
@junkerzn7312 5 ай бұрын
The internal battery pack on these larger power stations are almost always 16s (51.2V nominal LiFePO4). 40Ah @ 51.2V, for example, to make 2000Wh. They are not 12V batteries internally so just using amp-hours alone is meaningless. Watt-hours is what matters. Nearly all of these 2000Wh power stations are cookie-cuttered out from just one or two Chinese OEMs and then just rebranded or reboxed. The AC output is typically fairly beefy and should have no trouble maintaining 2000W until the battery runs out. For a 2000Wh power station running at 2000W, it would last around 1 hour of course. Maybe slightly less. Nearly all power stations, and certainly all power stations of this size, have pure sine wave AC outputs. The AC is not quiet though. Its a decent sine wave but not suitable for, say, a HAM gear. The biggest problem with any power station is the lack of serviceability. When something breaks, you are dead in the water. That is why power stations are generally a poor solution for a boat. But smaller power stations like e.g. an EcoFlow River 2 (256Wh / 300W AC) or the River 2 Max (512Wh / 500W AC) can be really useful.
@crazybill49
@crazybill49 5 ай бұрын
@@junkerzn7312 Thanks for your reply. It didn't occur to me that the battery would be a different cell count. I agree with you about the usefulness of all in one units like this. Makes a person a lot more vulnerable, especially considering the cost. They are certainly mobile but at a considerable trade off.
@EmilyAndClark
@EmilyAndClark 5 ай бұрын
Thanks junkersen. Couldn't have said it better myself.
@yarramsetti
@yarramsetti 5 ай бұрын
Great review, miss your regular sailing videos any chance you can review ecoflow delta pro ultra for boat/sailing applications
@EmilyAndClark
@EmilyAndClark 5 ай бұрын
That's a really big unit. At that size it's far from portable. I think I'd strongly lean to an installed system if you wanted something that big on a boat. We actually don't pursue review devices. It usually starts with someone like you suggesting our channel to the manufacturer who contacts us with the offer of a test unit.