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How to Glue a Convertible Top Window Repair// Convertible Top Seam Repair// Glass Repair
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Күн бұрынI go over how to do a repair on your convertible top and to reconnect the glass to the convertible top. We repair the seams on the convertible top on the 2012 audi s5. The convertible top broke free from the glass, allowing water leaks. I show you how to use basic house hold tools to repair this yourself and to give your car the look and feel it deserves without taking it to the dealer. You can do this yourself and i will show you how to fix your convertible top and to repair it!
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How to Glue a Convertible Top Window Repair// Convertible Top Seam Repair// Glass Repair
How to Glue a Convertible Top Window Repair// Convertible Top Seam Repair// Glass Repair
How to Glue a Convertible Top Window Repair// Convertible Top Seam Repair// Glass Repair
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@TherightMike 5 ай бұрын
Just did this video step by step with my 2001 vette and so far crazy impressive how well this worked. 22 hours to go but it is sealed tight 2 hours later
@DIYSalvageGuy 5 ай бұрын
I love hearing things like this. So glad it worked for you!
@Rusterman-is7ex Ай бұрын
How many clamps did you have to use?
@TherightMike Ай бұрын
@Rusterman-is7ex I used 6 I wouldn't suggest any less than 5. 4 months later it worked great!
@Rusterman-is7ex Ай бұрын
@TherightMike I checked Amazon and those clamps come in a set of six. On my mustang, the top is not overall bad condition per se, just the back window won't stay at the top it's sitting about 1/3 the way down. Also the motor for the rear window only works when it wants to. I know this is just a temporary quick fix, eventually I'm gonna have to replace the whole top. I'll let you guys know in here how the repair job goes. Once the stuff gets here from amazon
@robertratcliff2441 28 күн бұрын
Awesome job,I will be doing this to my C6 Vette
@BrianNaylor Жыл бұрын
2012 A5 Convertible Top Repair Purchased the Clamps & Rhino Glue. Followed instructions. The main thing i found was you have to find the right angle with the top partially retracted to allow perfect placement of the sides, corners, even placement on the bottom. I used folded pillows to prop it perfectly. The clamps are the key, however, i also tightly taped the edges with painters tape in between or following minor touch up. I let it cure 24 hours after setting. then moved to new section. I took my time, 3- days. I can tell you the Rhino Glue rocks. Easily cleans off the glass, apply only a thin layer....it is by far the strongest cleanest, clearest best glue. My top looks brand new. Torrential rain on day 4. No leaks. Warm sunny weather, top down, looks great. Hat tip to the DIY Salvage Guy - saved me a ton of money, time and possible using the wrong things. Cheers
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
Comments like this make making videos worth it. I'm so happy you were able to have such a success with this. Thanks for for detailed comment and story behind your experience!
@scootamontanna174 Жыл бұрын
Thanks I have a mustang and mines doing the same thing ima do exactly what he did
@jeffreylawrence6928 Жыл бұрын
That’s really interesting I’ve bought a secondhand A5 cabriolet and again the roof is coming away-can I ask you where you managed to find the clamps?
@babamama999999999999 Жыл бұрын
I have a grandcabrio with seprated rear glass do you recomend this solution? Did it last and for how long?
@chilidog73 Жыл бұрын
How did it hold up?
@mrhoffame 6 күн бұрын
Thanks so much. I only have about 12 inches of my window that has come loose. Went to ask the dealer and they said "Can't be repaired....entire top needs to be replaced". Just ordered this glue and clamps on Amazon!!!! \m/ Thanks my friend!
@DIYSalvageGuy 6 күн бұрын
I hope it works for you as well as the fix has worked for me! Diy and save!
@Dawn1968 4 күн бұрын
Yes a shop told me the same thing ,but I knew it could be repaired
@AricBoyles 8 ай бұрын
Subscribed after watching this. Great video. Just bought an A5 and didn't check for this problem, sure enough it's all coming apart. Before I found this video I was thinking it would be a $2500+ job! Now I bought the supplies and will fix it myself over the weekend. Thank you!
@DIYSalvageGuy 8 ай бұрын
Love to hear this kind of thing. I hope it works for you as well as it did for me. I suggest paint mixing sticks between the clamps to help give more surface area as well. Good luck!
@thomasharris5151 6 ай бұрын
THANKS👌🏾💎👑! I used a lot of your tips on my daughter’s Saturn Sky. I used the quick bond $9 gorilla tube glue from Oriellys & it WORKS! I cheated and didn’t used the clamps but it bonded quickly and let it set for 24hrs. Very easy, clean no mess and a quick DIY Job…! Saved $$$$ as you mentioned and since they too aren’t available new anymore, custom tops are $3000 and used tops selling for $1500.. I’ll take my chances of fixing it myself every couple of years if necessary! And I’ll use the clamps next time IF there is one…..
@DIYSalvageGuy 6 ай бұрын
So glad to hear that! Happy it worked out for you!
@thomasharris5151 6 ай бұрын
@@DIYSalvageGuy and I forwarded your info to all my car guy friends
@DIYSalvageGuy 6 ай бұрын
Thank you! Hope I can help others!
@Rusterman-is7ex 7 күн бұрын
@thomasharris5151 wait you're saying you used gorilla glue and it's holding.
@69elchupacabra69 2 жыл бұрын
Clamps seem to be the key here. Thanks for that
@DIYSalvageGuy 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Another tip is you can take a piece of thin wood and put it between the clamps so you cover more surface area between clamps.
@liveandcars 3 ай бұрын
Hola. Gracias por el vídeo Tras 17 años con mi a4 1.8T b7 cabrio lo vuelvo a reparar. La primera vez hace 7 años lo llevé a un tapicero y me cobró 300€ (en 2017). Ahora con sika 256 sikaflex y estos útiles lo haré yo mismo. Un saludo
@DIYSalvageGuy 3 ай бұрын
Try to translate to English and I can help. Sorry!
@liveandcars 3 ай бұрын
@@DIYSalvageGuy KZfaq automatically translates comments into other languages friend
@DIYSalvageGuy 3 ай бұрын
Didn't happen originally. Happy to see this helps you! Best of luck.
@liveandcars 3 ай бұрын
@@DIYSalvageGuy I'm writing it to you in English, sorry but it's not a high level: Hello. Thanks for the video After 17 years with my a4 1.8T b7 cabrio I am repairing it again. The first time 7 years ago I took it to an upholsterer and he charged me €300 (in 2017). Now with sika 256 sikaflex and these tools I will do it myself. All the best
@LucyMedeiros Жыл бұрын
Thank you, much appreciated. I'll be doing this as soon as we have good weather here in Quebec.
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it! Hope this helps you get some extra life out of that top.
@LucyMedeiros Жыл бұрын
@@DIYSalvageGuy thank you! I just have the far ends beginning to unglue, and my garage guy declined from touching it and I definitely don't want to go to my Audi dealer, so I decided to take matters into my own hands. I'm happy I came across your video. So simple and very helpful. ♥️🙏
@Rusterman-is7ex 7 күн бұрын
So did you only apply the glue to where the clamps sit only, or did you just glue the whole thing, please advise.
@thomasharris5151 5 ай бұрын
Post more car content! Very informative…….
@DIYSalvageGuy 5 ай бұрын
What an awesome comment! Thank you
@maddie5604 5 ай бұрын
GOLF TSI 2011. MASSIVE THANK YOU for showing how easy this is to do. I've been struggling for months for someone to glue the top of the roof to to the rear glass window. VW said it might cost up to $5,000 and that definitely is excessive considering it's only 7 centimeters that needs to be glued down. Will try this method this weekend. What fix do you recommend for small wear in the canvas that might spread.
@DIYSalvageGuy 5 ай бұрын
Hi Maddie. This channel is all about everyday people in your exact situation. You can do this! As for the roof, you might be able to get a patch glued on, but generally speaking, it is ripping due to fabric degration. That is the first spot, but won't be the last. I haven't had to address that yet.
@CheesusSVT Жыл бұрын
Great and simple to the point, Looks like it would work very well. 😍
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot! I hope it helps
@guyallphin1295 Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this. I need to find those cups.
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
Link in the description below in the video
@thomasharris5151 7 ай бұрын
Hey is the top still holding a year later & did water come through? I was going to use the 3M windshield glue on my Saturn Sky. But after watching this it appears the RhinoGlue is easier to work with.. & clean! Good job guys!!!
@DIYSalvageGuy 7 ай бұрын
It is still holding and no leaks. It is all about the prep work. I hope you have success with it as well!
@jimekrut Ай бұрын
After a year including our 100+ temp summer, gaps in the 3M seal started developing. I used exterior window caulk and that seems to be holding.
@strawpiglet 3 ай бұрын
I was looking at 150 lb pull neodymium magnets to place on either side of the window, but these clamps look more reliable. Cool invention.
@DIYSalvageGuy 3 ай бұрын
They work well but do even better with a paint stirrer underneath to extend their clamp range.
@strawpiglet 3 ай бұрын
@@DIYSalvageGuy Thanks for the tip.
@davidgreaves4323 11 ай бұрын
Didn't know about the clamps - they're great. Instead of glue I suggest you use Dinitrol 500 - it's specifically designed to bond automotive glass. Once you know the brand name it's obviously "the right thing to use" (at least in the UK)
@DIYSalvageGuy 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the tip! Always looking for better ways to do this!
@mikeburris9856 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the tips. Trying this with my 2014 Mustang top on Saturday.
@DIYSalvageGuy 5 ай бұрын
Hope it works for you as well as it did for me!
@Buckshot96 22 күн бұрын
Hey Im considering buying the same year mustang that needs the same repair. Was it as simple as it looks and did it last so far?
@mikeburris9856 22 күн бұрын
@@Buckshot96 it wasn’t as simple as it looks. The suctioning cup holders kept coming off and not holding the window. The adhesive is easy to clean off and trim from the outside but the inside wasn’t as easy. Some takeaways, I did do this is the middle of winter but I kept the garage at around 55-60 degrees and that is the minimum temperature. I only had 1 kitties with 6 suction cups. It is water proof now and is definitely better than it was but no where near the professional job this looks to be and I spent 4 days doing this. I have not done this type of work before but we work on Jeeps/cars and anything we can build in my garage. If I had to do it all over again I’d spend $500 to buy a new top to begin with.
@Buckshot96 22 күн бұрын
@@mikeburris9856 were you doing the whole window? The one I'm looking at is just the very right side of the window so probably a little less than a foot. Thanks for the reply though I appreciate it!
@patrikherak1729 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect job thanks 🔝👍🏾
@DIYSalvageGuy 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I hope it worked out for you too!
@larrylarez6623 Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thanks man!👊🏻👍🏻
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
Happy to help! Good luck!
@LaSalseraSensual Жыл бұрын
Great job! Thank you! Your video is great!
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! I hope this helped you.
@Rusterman-is7ex Ай бұрын
Since you repaired your convertable, have you raised it or lowered it since then? Once I fix mine am I going to still be able to use the top or is it permanently up until I replace the whole top?
@DIYSalvageGuy Ай бұрын
As long as you do it correctly, you shouldn't have any issues using your top.
@Rusterman-is7ex Ай бұрын
@@DIYSalvageGuy got another question,,,,, the motor for the rear window that's for raising and lowering said window, it only works when it wants to. Ok recently my brake light sensor switch gave out. Haven't yet replaced it, just been bypassing it. Would that switch affect the motor for rear window, in any way?
@nancyknecht6662 6 ай бұрын
I have the clamps and waiting for my order of the 3M product (I had ordered it prior to seeing your video, otherwise I would try the glue. Looks easy. I was wondering what you used, If anything on the inside of the car to temporarily hold the window up? Also, I assume the same process in the seam above the window? I’m not quite sure what to do there. I’m working on my 2002 VW cabrio!
@DIYSalvageGuy 6 ай бұрын
Our project car didn't have too much trouble staying together with the clamps suctioning the window, but you can use anything to prop it up if needed. I'm not sure about the seam, but generally, just keeping it together while the glue dries is all there is to it. Use clamps and some paint stirrers under the clamps for more surface area.
@moniquebarnes8604 Жыл бұрын
Hi! This looks great. I have a 2017 Camaro convertible. The glass actually sits on top of the top- which is cloth. The bottom, right corner has come unglued. Would your method work? Thank you for the video!
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
Hey there! I cannot say for sure, but I would think so. Really all you need to do is glue and clamp. Your application might be slightly different, but the concept should hold true. Good luck!
@HUSTLERSDREAMPRODUCTIONS Жыл бұрын
MY 2017 CAMARO IS WHAT LEAD ME HERE...IM HAVING THE SAME ISSUE I WAS CURIOUS DID YOU TRY THIS BECAUSE NOBODY WILL FIX IT FOR ME AND I DON'T WANT TO REPLACE THE WHOLE TOP.
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
Diy
@srm022679 Жыл бұрын
Same problem with my 2016. Seems like the difference would be that we’d need to put the clamps on the inside of the glass instead
@JacSON2001 Жыл бұрын
@@srm022679 Same here. I have a 2016. Have you tried it yet or plan to try ?
@staceyc.1979 6 ай бұрын
hi im stacey I have 1995chry labaron i had since grama gave it to 😂😂❤well back window came loss from the top & sides at the top the canvis is roll up an is hard to fix wcid?? to keep it from rolling up to repair it ????🤦🏼♀️🤔🤷🏼♀️🙏🏻🤞🏻🙏🏻
@DIYSalvageGuy 6 ай бұрын
Hi Stacey. That's a great car. I have a 93 with almost 400k miles on it. I don't think it'd hard to fix, just takes a little time. Video should help. Good luck!
@george4974 2 жыл бұрын
That's good to know, good job.
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
Thanks! It really holds up well too
@fairfieldcalifornialivin7570 2 ай бұрын
I got a buick cascada and the window is glued from outside. Ao should i do this process backwards?
@DIYSalvageGuy 2 ай бұрын
Seems like it would be similar to a windshield install. Should work fine though.
@Rusterman-is7ex 7 күн бұрын
Also I'm waiting for the clamps to arrive, I found a better price for buying 6 clamps, cheaper than Amazon, I bought them off of ebay.
@DIYSalvageGuy 7 күн бұрын
I put glue where it needed to be and clamped it. Can also use a paint stirrer under the clamps for more clamping range.
@Rusterman-is7ex 7 күн бұрын
@DIYSalvageGuy with it all the way up and glued in holding well,,, can you still put the convertable top up and down with ease the way it's supposed to work? Or is it stuck in the upwards position until you get your whole top replaced eventually?
@brycepowell8550 3 ай бұрын
My top separated from the window, but it’s shrunk and won’t stretch back to the window to reglue. Any suggestions?
@DIYSalvageGuy 3 ай бұрын
Tops are supposed to be inelastic. There might not be much you can do if it shrunk besides replace the top.
@davidc6666 8 ай бұрын
I may make a wood jig to span a bigger width and give the clamps more coverage
@DIYSalvageGuy 8 ай бұрын
Paint stirrers work well too. You can place them under the clamps for full coverage.
@maycock1961 Жыл бұрын
Hi there! Very good video and info. Where do you get the suction cups? I need to fix the top on a VW Beetle Convertible. Thanks!!
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
Hi Melanie. Everything I used is linked in the description below.
@maycock1961 Жыл бұрын
@@DIYSalvageGuy thanks!!
@raymondfranklin100 Жыл бұрын
@@DIYSalvageGuy I’m new to this you tube, yeah, I’m an old guy, where do I find “the description below?” I’ve gone through the comments and subscribed. I still can’t find information to get the suction cups. Thanks!
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
It should be just below the video. Maybe an arrow that needs to be clicked.
@sarahisraelson5352 Жыл бұрын
My back window is 80% unglued as well (2003 VW bug) and not sure the canvas top can be glued! feels like it shrunk, there is also a groove on the inside where the window fits. any hints?
@yunusorkun6129 Ай бұрын
I have same car and same issue but the problem is window is not moving upward even if I support from inside. It seems this is something that I can’t fix without professional assistance. I’m looking for somewhere to fix it.
@DIYSalvageGuy Ай бұрын
You can try using beach balls to support it from inside so you can work on the outside. I'm not exactly sure what you mean but I hope this helps.
@peterhigginbottom3583 Жыл бұрын
Hi. You use Rhino glue but in the recommended products you have Rhino and 3M, which you don’t use in the video, so I’m a little confused?!
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
Rhino glue is what I used and it worked great but some people like 3m products as more of a household name they trust. Slightly different application but same result.
@tonytt7698 Жыл бұрын
@@DIYSalvageGuy how has the glass fix held up after a year?
@thomasharris5151 7 ай бұрын
@@tonytt7698that what I want to know as well… hopefully they answer
@Rusterman-is7ex Ай бұрын
How many clamps did you have to use in total? I thought I counted 3 is that correct?
@DIYSalvageGuy Ай бұрын
Use as many as you need. You can also use a paint stirrer to get more clamping distance
@Rusterman-is7ex Ай бұрын
@@DIYSalvageGuy so when you did this, you haven't used or lowered your convertable top since you did this job on it? Is thar correct?
@mplh9363 2 жыл бұрын
Didn’t catch what you cleaned it with. And how to clean. Tips please.
@DIYSalvageGuy 2 жыл бұрын
You can use isopropyl alcohol and a razor blade to scrape off any excess glue. Just need a clean surface. But you can use anything to achieve that goal. I also suggest using long pieces of something in between the clamps to apply additional pressure where the clamps aren't touching. I used wood on another car.
@rdurbeck Жыл бұрын
Default Great write up. One thing I can't determine is whether the rear glass is connected to anything other than the fabric of the convertible top. About 80% of my glass is separated from the top. If it's completely separated, will the glass fall into the car?
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
My glass was sandwiched between two pieces of fabric. It was just glued in.
@paducahgal21 Жыл бұрын
Where are you located can you fix mine
@jimfiggis4952 Жыл бұрын
After cycling a few times and living in the hot sun the stretch will fail, but try anyway!Best get another top...
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
It's been holding for 2 years so far.
@Dawn1968 4 күн бұрын
What website can I order the clamps ,I dont see that style on Amazon
@DIYSalvageGuy 4 күн бұрын
There's a link to them in the description below.
@Dawn1968 4 күн бұрын
@@DIYSalvageGuy I found it on Ebay
@jimmiller8145 2 жыл бұрын
Where did you find the clamps and what are they called?
@DIYSalvageGuy 2 жыл бұрын
i added the links to the description
@tomj6165 11 ай бұрын
Has it held up?
@DIYSalvageGuy 11 ай бұрын
It's done really well.
@robertmeekins6105 3 ай бұрын
will this work for a 1998 C-5 Corvette Converible?
@DIYSalvageGuy 3 ай бұрын
I don't see why it wouldn't. Comment back and let me know.
@zalettramirez7129 Жыл бұрын
hi ! Would this work for the inside of the car too? My soft top came out from the inside
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
I don't see why not. Will just be clamped and glued inside.
@zalettramirez7129 Жыл бұрын
@@DIYSalvageGuy okay thank you!
@BradRo 11 ай бұрын
Will this work as well to reattach a plastic rear window?
@DIYSalvageGuy 11 ай бұрын
I would think so much you'd have to make sure the glue is made for plastic bonding.
@jimmcconnell4921 11 ай бұрын
Still holding?
@DIYSalvageGuy 11 ай бұрын
Still holding.
@karlaramirez8611 6 ай бұрын
Where did you purchase the clamps?
@DIYSalvageGuy 6 ай бұрын
Link is in the description
@castlebilliards8712 6 ай бұрын
Would tiger seal work well.for this ?
@DIYSalvageGuy 6 ай бұрын
Unfortunately I am not familiar with the product. If it works similarly to this, then I would imagine.
@castlebilliards8712 6 ай бұрын
@@DIYSalvageGuy thanks for the response
@emperorking7255 Жыл бұрын
This is a Pilkington glass ? What glue are you using again ?
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
I don't know what kind of glass it is, but we used rhino glue. There is a link to it down in the description along with clamps if needed.
@bd6934 Жыл бұрын
Just curious how much glue did it take?
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
Not a lot. A little bit goes a long way.
@michaelzahorec5569 6 ай бұрын
can i find the clamps on amazon?
@DIYSalvageGuy 6 ай бұрын
Yes! There's a link to the products in the description.
@mphofleence6808 3 ай бұрын
Where are you base ?
@DIYSalvageGuy 3 ай бұрын
USA
@WILLIAMSMCHAD 2 жыл бұрын
im getting ready to do this :D is it still holding ?
@DIYSalvageGuy 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Holding strong. Make sure you clean it good. I also suggest getting a long stick, maybe a ruler or something to put between the window clamps. It will help the seal better.
@WILLIAMSMCHAD 2 жыл бұрын
@@DIYSalvageGuy i did . i jsut went first round going to do it in sections so good so far. thanks
@tonytt7698 Жыл бұрын
@@WILLIAMSMCHAD how is it holding up after about a year?
@WILLIAMSMCHAD Жыл бұрын
@@tonytt7698 I did the same process but i used 3M Auto Glass Urethane Windshield Adhesive instead or rhino glue . it came out perfect and is still 100 percent. using the clamp method is what's gonna help the most. i did mine in sections . and waited 12 hours in between me moving the clamps around. mine came out perfect. looks like it would from factory and i trust it
@tomj6165 11 ай бұрын
Is 3m better?
@DIYSalvageGuy 11 ай бұрын
3m might be better, but I haven't had any issues.
@phyllislyles3301 2 ай бұрын
Where to get this kit from sir.
@DIYSalvageGuy 2 ай бұрын
Hey the link is in the description for the parts to use.
@alnewyorkcity6752 9 ай бұрын
Did you have to give yourself play by opening roof at all ?
@DIYSalvageGuy 8 ай бұрын
You might need to, but be careful because if you over tighten it while it has slack, it will pull right off.
@alnewyorkcity6752 8 ай бұрын
@@DIYSalvageGuy , thank you ! 🤞
@TheTrouserPuppetsOfficial 11 ай бұрын
Better than 7k to replace
@DIYSalvageGuy 11 ай бұрын
That's for sure. It's a nifty solution.
@charredskeleton Жыл бұрын
What’s up guys? Skyscrapers and airplanes of course.
@DIYSalvageGuy 8 ай бұрын
Very high up
@codygallarello7973 Жыл бұрын
I never get my royalties from this video…
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
You got a car
@barnaclebarry7908 9 ай бұрын
Enjoy your leaks
@DIYSalvageGuy 9 ай бұрын
How do you think they are sealed from the factory? Magic?
@thomasharris5151 7 ай бұрын
@@DIYSalvageGuy😂😅🎉 some people want attention! I guess it’s magically held in there at VW AUDI… Don’t give her anymore attention than she’s seeking!
@tonycastro6154 Жыл бұрын
IN A YEAR FLOP,,,DOWN AGAIN,,,,
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
What does that even mean
@xDeadSoldier93 Жыл бұрын
Any suggestions on how to remove glue that got on top of the vinyl?
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
Not really. I would Google it and see. Isopropyl alcohol is good for glass, but I'm not sure about vinyl.
@Imbesilno Жыл бұрын
Would this work on a Miata?
@DIYSalvageGuy Жыл бұрын
I would assume so if there is a cloth top and a glass backing. It's a pretty universal application
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