How to Heat Treat Stainless Steel for Knife Making

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How to Heat Treat Stainless Steel for Knife Makers
In this short how-to video, we look at all the steps needed to successfully heat treat AEBL stainless steel. We cover the types of tool wrap, wrapping the knife blanks in tool wrap to prevent scale. Heating to temp, plate quenching and cryo in dry ice. We even have a downloadable Heat Treat Recipe for AEB-L Stainless.
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@adilsonbuzk
@adilsonbuzk 5 жыл бұрын
Very good man, thanks for sharing with us!
@SharpWorks
@SharpWorks 5 жыл бұрын
Very informative, great video!
@Kane-ib5sn
@Kane-ib5sn 2 жыл бұрын
this was an absolutely informative video. thanks buddy. if i ever meet this fellow, dinner is definitely on me. it explains, to some degree, why some manufacturers' blades are so much softer than others...it could be the final step, the choice in material...
@bianaconer
@bianaconer 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video , thank you.
@killerkane1957
@killerkane1957 5 жыл бұрын
Best description of plate use I have seen. I cryo treat hammers in liquid nitrogen. I keep about 20,000 gallons around. Seriously. BTW, it will not get to 400 below. Also, each time it is loaded and offloaded it warms up never to go back down. We store over 5 million biological items in ln2 is why I have such access. Also an inventory challenge. Done this for 65 years this year!
@trainwon5699
@trainwon5699 3 жыл бұрын
As always good job thanks
@KnightsArmory
@KnightsArmory 5 жыл бұрын
Very cool!!
@jackspradt1562
@jackspradt1562 5 жыл бұрын
Great info as usual!!!! Hey, you can pour denatured alcohol in with your dry ice to lower temps significantly.
@nickbrockelman
@nickbrockelman 3 жыл бұрын
acetone and dry ice are the lowest temp fluid before liquid nitrogen. and its easy to aquire. Dry ice can be easily acquired from CO2 fire extinguishers. you just cover the extinguisher nozzle with a pillow case or washcloth, some kind of cloth that is thin and then discharge the extinguisher for a few seconds... the dry ice will collect on the inside of the fabric material.
@Abdillahsukabumi
@Abdillahsukabumi 3 жыл бұрын
Good job
@stevenmccrickard1401
@stevenmccrickard1401 8 ай бұрын
New sub, thanks for the content. I found your video interesting, informative and well presented. I look forward to viewing more from your channel.
@DIYeasycrafts
@DIYeasycrafts 8 ай бұрын
Thanks and welcome
@NRiggiKnives
@NRiggiKnives 5 жыл бұрын
Nice set up a good results. I have exclusively been using AEBL and send out for HT. Problem for me is that I only rough in a short bevel prior to HT to avoid warps. Being that I only have a 1x30 HF, the finish grinding takes forever due to the extreme-hardness f the steel. I think I will start grinding my bevels much more from now on prior to the HT. At least until I get a better grinder.
@jackspradt1562
@jackspradt1562 5 жыл бұрын
Dayton 2x42 from Gamut/grainger online is less than $150 delivered. comes with a 6" disc grinder as well, I got one and couldn't be happier. All the popular belts are available.
@bwell6863
@bwell6863 5 жыл бұрын
Have you checked the hardness of your blades using hollow aluminum vs solid plates. I'm curious if there would be a difference.
@NRiggiKnives
@NRiggiKnives 5 жыл бұрын
@@jackspradt1562 I appreciate the tip. I think I will hold out for the 2x72.
@doyouknowpeter1954
@doyouknowpeter1954 2 жыл бұрын
thankyou for the video. very informative but leaves me wqith one question.....why the cryo treatment???
@drumdog53
@drumdog53 4 ай бұрын
Great Video, Have you tried your AEBL process without doing the cryo treatment? I'm just wondering what the negative if any would be if you skipped that part of the process. Thanks
@DIYeasycrafts
@DIYeasycrafts 4 ай бұрын
Yes I have. It still holds a great edge. Actually hard to tell the difference. The cryo is suppose to make it hold the edge a little better
@outdoorperson6411
@outdoorperson6411 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve recently made a knife blade that is my best work so far and I know you often respond to comment in your opinion what do to think the best knife handle material in terms of looks and durability
@DIYeasycrafts
@DIYeasycrafts 5 жыл бұрын
Wow that is a hard one. So many great materials out there. Guess it also depends on the type of knife. I use alot of the hybrid wood and alumilite scales.Recently have been using buffao horn which looks fantastic. What type of knife. Join us on facebook group "knives and knife making". you can post a photo of your blade
@philochristos
@philochristos 4 жыл бұрын
Looks: dessert ironwood. Durability: micarta
@billwoehl3051
@billwoehl3051 3 жыл бұрын
That carpenter clamp idea was a great idea 👍🤔
@Metaldetectiontubeworldwide
@Metaldetectiontubeworldwide 2 жыл бұрын
Good video budy ! I have a TIG welder , and was wondering . I you could make a small concave where i can put my knive in . Purge it with argon close it of and put in an oven ? Grtzz john
@delealyalauree8812
@delealyalauree8812 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah... wondering if I could use co2 that I used for mig machine too..
@Metaldetectiontubeworldwide
@Metaldetectiontubeworldwide 2 жыл бұрын
@@delealyalauree8812 co2 isn´t inert it would corrode I think 🤔..?.. But why they then use it then for mig remains a mystery to me ??.. Good question thought , got me confused a bit more , those are the good ones 🤣🤣.. Grtzz from the Netherlands Johny geerts
@rikkiemane1789
@rikkiemane1789 11 ай бұрын
When it comes 2 knifemaking it usually depends on alot of the tools that is needed, which is very expensive ///
@sinanerin5648
@sinanerin5648 3 жыл бұрын
How many degrees and how many minutes did you heat treatment? Why did you put it in ice after cooling?
@squidgy6930
@squidgy6930 2 жыл бұрын
Ever tried duplex?
@hacheurdepoulet
@hacheurdepoulet 4 жыл бұрын
There's some issue with the cheatsheet. I can't dowload it on the website... In the video, when you refer to a temperature, you're talking Farenheit and not Celsius, correct? I assume that the Cheatsheet has the different temperatures to get to different hardnesses, but in case not, do you know to which temp i should heat up a blade to get to 58-60 HRC in aeb-l ?
@flyback_driver
@flyback_driver 9 ай бұрын
It has to be because I believe ss will melt at 2240 c. I was also confused and it's s shame this sat for three years unanswered. I stopped halfway through to check and yeah 304 melts at 2600 f give it take which is around 1400 c.
@dominicdwk
@dominicdwk 6 ай бұрын
Can a heat treat be achieved with a forge?
@page76metalcraft19
@page76metalcraft19 5 жыл бұрын
I’m curious if you can reuse the foil wrap? Instead of spending the money on wrapping each knife with new foil?
@DIYeasycrafts
@DIYeasycrafts 5 жыл бұрын
I dont think so. It gets a little brittle. Next batch Im going to experiment with a couple different things
@DeadMan-gx4vl
@DeadMan-gx4vl 4 жыл бұрын
I would like to ask you do you offer any heath treating services ? for stainless steel knifes ?
@DIYeasycrafts
@DIYeasycrafts 4 жыл бұрын
I dont but companies like Peters Heat Treating does.
@ivan-Croatian
@ivan-Croatian 3 жыл бұрын
Before cooling on a dry ice, do knives need to be completely cooled to room temperature or do they need to be still hot or warm? Thanx.
@DIYeasycrafts
@DIYeasycrafts 3 жыл бұрын
Let them warm to room temp
@ivan-Croatian
@ivan-Croatian 3 жыл бұрын
@@DIYeasycrafts Thank you.
@trevorbeckett3248
@trevorbeckett3248 6 ай бұрын
Hi very informative but really annoying compressor noise.
@mba8764
@mba8764 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Unfortunately this metal is so rare in my country. Which another stainless steel do you suggest for making knife and sword kinds and air rifle? Please answer my question I love stainless steel Thanks 🙏
@DIYeasycrafts
@DIYeasycrafts 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry im not an expert. AEBL is what I use
@mba8764
@mba8764 3 жыл бұрын
@@DIYeasycrafts HI No problem Thank you sooooo much 🙏
@mba8764
@mba8764 3 жыл бұрын
@G. A. Thank you sooooo much 🙏
@dr.lexwinter8604
@dr.lexwinter8604 3 жыл бұрын
Just use clay, brother. Don't waste all that foil and fiddling. This way you can choose what part of the blade gets exposure, too. If you want to go a step further you can double case it, case the edge with the carbon, then case the entire blade with extra steel pressed firmly against the rest as heat sinks, then directionally heat the casement you've made. I don't know if that makes sense without a diagram, but it really is as simple as it sounds. If you want real value for your money I suggest also looking into cryonic treatment of blades. For drill bits a thirty minute bath in liquid nitrogen doubles even triples it's lifetime. Good heat treating also includes cooling, not just heating. Edit: I wrote that before you mentioned cryo! I'm SO pleased to hear someone in your field is even aware of this! Although using dry ice you're just wasting your time. You won't get any crystallization or strengthening from that little change. You desperately need to make yourself a liquid nitrogen generator, you can bang one together for fifty bucks.
@Imwright720
@Imwright720 5 жыл бұрын
I’ll just send mine to you and let you throw it in with yours. Lol. I make mine out of free steel, 304-304L. It seems hard enough and holds an edge well.
@DIYeasycrafts
@DIYeasycrafts 5 жыл бұрын
Always thought 300 series was to soft to use for a knife blade. 400 series get good and hard but then also rusts.
@Imwright720
@Imwright720 5 жыл бұрын
I get all my steel for free so I can’t complain. When I get good enough then I’ll buy some knife steel. Until then, I’ll stick with free.
@sasa1982uk
@sasa1982uk 4 жыл бұрын
If the aluminium plates you use to hold the knives were ice cold, lets say put in the freezee. would that be better or worse?
@DIYeasycrafts
@DIYeasycrafts 4 жыл бұрын
It would be better but would only last for the first knife
@sasa1982uk
@sasa1982uk 4 жыл бұрын
@@DIYeasycrafts they would break? How about ice cold carbon steel plates?
@ivarlothbrock6624
@ivarlothbrock6624 2 жыл бұрын
@@sasa1982uk he means it would only stay cold for one cooling cycle.
@sinanerin5648
@sinanerin5648 3 жыл бұрын
Can you describe exactly what we are doing
@larrysimmons6082
@larrysimmons6082 4 жыл бұрын
Please help if you could please ..I have some blanks of some kind of stainless steel that my old boss had someone make or cut out if you will ..but I have Tried and tried to shape the knife or what it's called sorry IAM drawing a blank right now ..but anyways I have used a hand held belt sander and even a 4 inch grinder but the grinder is not what I want to do when it comes to shaping my knife before the heat treating ..so with that all being said I can't hardly dent the knife with the files or even the belt sander it takes almost hours break the surface of the knife ..I told my old boss who had is friend make these blanks for me ..to tell him and my old boss this is nothing for a beginner to learn on ..so I hope you kinda of get what IAM trying to say here..hope to hear from you..thank u ..and nice video keep them coming . !!
@DIYeasycrafts
@DIYeasycrafts 4 жыл бұрын
Larry thats a hard one. Each type of stainless has its own specific heat treating temps, hold time and quench . It sounds to me like you are trying to grind stainless that has already been hardened. That is of course a lot harder to do. Your options are to continue to work but be very careful not to get it to hot during the grinding or you could ruin the heat treat. Other option would be to anneal or soften the steel. But you would then need to know what type of stainless it was to get it re heat treated after grinding was finished. To be honest you might be better off starting out with a precut high carbon knife blank. Mush easier to work with and to harden.
@larrysimmons6082
@larrysimmons6082 4 жыл бұрын
@@DIYeasycrafts thank you ..I know that what I had told them my old boss was thinking he was doing me a favor and using a very high-grade steel I believe it is and also I was looking on Google looking up different kinds of stainless steel and I would have to say by what I have read that I have I think what you call aero or something like thatit's one of the top stainless steels you could buy they buy it for like the space shuttle NASA I believe younot too sure but I think what I read sounds about right of what kind of thing is still I have had given away plenty of my blank to friends that have had made knives in the past and they say the same thingit's the hardest thing is still they've ever come by
@larrysimmons6082
@larrysimmons6082 4 жыл бұрын
@@DIYeasycrafts sorry for the typos
@briantgomz9846
@briantgomz9846 2 жыл бұрын
wht if u dont hv dt equipment..onli u got is charcoal ,no oven etc
@DIYeasycrafts
@DIYeasycrafts 2 жыл бұрын
You can still do it. Use a hair dryer or wet dry vac and a steel tube to blow air at base of coals. Cook high carbon untill its non magnetic and then quench in oil
@user-lv2ew2rh9q
@user-lv2ew2rh9q 3 жыл бұрын
After this process, does the stainless steel get rust? Or still maintain its anti-rust feature?
@DIYeasycrafts
@DIYeasycrafts 3 жыл бұрын
It still maintains its corrosion resistance
@user-lv2ew2rh9q
@user-lv2ew2rh9q 3 жыл бұрын
Really thanks for your response!
@shanelong3458
@shanelong3458 5 жыл бұрын
You should do a giveaway??
@mba8764
@mba8764 3 жыл бұрын
Can I use this metal for sword too?
@DIYeasycrafts
@DIYeasycrafts 3 жыл бұрын
yes absolutely
@mba8764
@mba8764 3 жыл бұрын
@@DIYeasycrafts thanks
@mba8764
@mba8764 3 жыл бұрын
Can I use this metal for air rifle too?
@DIYeasycrafts
@DIYeasycrafts 3 жыл бұрын
no idea
@mba8764
@mba8764 3 жыл бұрын
@@DIYeasycrafts thanks
@ilikeedc8246
@ilikeedc8246 3 жыл бұрын
The foil you used to wrap the knife is aluminum or stainless steel.
@DIYeasycrafts
@DIYeasycrafts 3 жыл бұрын
Its made from Stainless. Aluminum foil would melt at the high temps used to heat treat stainless
@ilikeedc8246
@ilikeedc8246 3 жыл бұрын
DIYeasycrafts Thank you
@alexp3572
@alexp3572 2 жыл бұрын
3:43 Is all you need
@SaintBigAl
@SaintBigAl 5 жыл бұрын
what would happen if you used regular foil?
@DIYeasycrafts
@DIYeasycrafts 5 жыл бұрын
Never tried
@SaintBigAl
@SaintBigAl 5 жыл бұрын
if it works it'll be cheaper than the expensive foil your using.Keep us posted.
@ivan-Croatian
@ivan-Croatian 3 жыл бұрын
Regular is made of aluminum and it would melt on those temperatures.
@joejones9520
@joejones9520 3 жыл бұрын
I was dismayed to recently learn that Bob Loveless sent his blades off for heat treating as did Jim Merritt who ran the shop later. How lame. If one doesnt heat treat their knives themselves, then all they are doing is assembling knife-making components and materials. And Loveless did stock removal only. He was basically assembling kits from parts created and processed by other people but giving the final product his own twist.. I dont even see where someone would get the motivation if they werent doing it all themselves. Jay Fisher says he considers heat treating to be the main thing that distinguishes a knife from a hunk of metal.
@dr.lexwinter8604
@dr.lexwinter8604 3 жыл бұрын
This is why I have little time for 'knife makers' or 'knife blacksmiths' or 'bladesmiths' or ... well, the thousands of inventive names they've come up with for idiots who glue bits of wood to bits of stamped sheet metal. I avoid any smithing videos to do with blades predominantly because it attracts a certain type of people who you won't learn anything of value from. I can learn more from an old farrier making horse shoes when it comes to technique and secrets to good metalworking than I ever will from the gorilla glue guys.
@davidsharp3522
@davidsharp3522 11 ай бұрын
The only thing you are correct about is the fact that they sent out the blades for heat treat. No other component (unless you call raw barstock a component)was purchased. Every knifemaker buys steel then they either forge or grind the blade to shape, if it has a guard they purchase the material, then shape via forging or grinding or milling.
@carlosde8332
@carlosde8332 4 жыл бұрын
If you're narrating the process, why do you need the live sound of the compressor charging? It's really disturbing
@famousbowl9926
@famousbowl9926 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry had to dislike because I don't want 100+ knife making vids for watching this.
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