How to Install and Adjust Profitec Pro 700 Flow Control Device V1

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Updated Flow Control Install video including pre-brew spring: • Flow control Installat...
Learn how to install and adjust the Profitec Pro 700 Flow Control Device version 1.
The Flow Control Device is no longer restricted to purchase by previous Whole Latte Love customers. Anyone can purchase! As of 4/16/19 our technicians have certified the FCD for use on all E61 group machines manufactured by Profitec, ECM and Expobar. Our technicians continue to test the device on E61 group machines from other manufacturers and we will update the list of certified machines as testing continues. Please be aware as of 4/17/19 we have a limited supply of FCD devices in stock but more are on the way. Limited air shipment arrives about 4/20/19 with a large shipment arriving near the end of April '19. FCD devices may be ordered at this time here: www.wholelattelove.com/produc... Or call 585-924-7170 to pre-order
Learn more about the development of the FCD in this article from Roast Magazine's Daily Coffee News: dailycoffeenews.com/2019/04/1...

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@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Good news! Sales of the FCD are now open to anyone in the US. No requirement to be a previous customer of WLL. We can ship to Canada with extra fees for duties etc. As of 4/17/19 we have a very limited supply. More arriving in next few days and a larger supply due by month end. The Pro 700 FCD can be ordered/pre-ordered here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-e61-flow-control-device or call: 585-924-7170 As of today our technicians have certified the FCD for use on all E61 group machines from Profitec, ECM and Expobar. We continue testing on other manufacturer's machines and will update certified machines as that process continues.

@275CHIKO 3 жыл бұрын

Is the installation the same for the ECM classika? - Thanks again love your videos

@LuckyDragon289 5 жыл бұрын

As a Canadian, just wanted to thank you guys for continually working with Profitec/ECM to push the envelope on innovation! April last year, the machines got the PID/steam pressure upgrade, and now basically a year later, this flow control mod that's only available on one other machine (at this price point)! Way to elevate this machine to rival the performance of a GS/3 (at least on a domestic scale). I hope this mod will eventually become more widely available (*cough*Canada*cough*) so I can kit out my Pro 700 as well!

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi LuckyDragon, Thank you for the comment! Working closely with manufacturers on these types of innovations is very important to us! The FCD was a request of ours that's been under development for about a year. First saw an early prototype in action during a visit to the Profitec/ECM production facility in Milan in July of 2018. Here's a video with background on the Profitec/ECM philosophy I shot last year in Milan. Also get a peek at their facilty in Italy: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gZaCfJijyeCYh6s.html First saw the steam/PID upgrade at SCA 2017 in Seattle - another request of ours! The FCD is very new! Just received the prototype and shipping versions a few weeks ago. I'm sure it will not be long until they are more widely available. Marc

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

@Mofonator8000 5 жыл бұрын

Just ordered mine but didn't install it yet.If you are ordering from Canada please do not send UPS.Their dutie fees are crazy at over 100$cad!!!

@wills.7626 5 жыл бұрын

Why I love my Pro 700. Profitec and WLL listens to the consumer and actually addresses our wants. Better steaming and now flow control! Awesome!

@Smirnoff44 5 жыл бұрын

How much better is the new steaming power?

@wills.7626 5 жыл бұрын

If all you are making are non-milk based drinks or smaller Capps and flat whites, just crank up your steam boiler to 260 and stay with your original. With the 260, frothing is easy-as with 300ml pitchers. However for lattes using 500 ml pitchers and larger, the increased pressure really, really helps maintain the roll.@@Smirnoff44

@Smirnoff44 5 жыл бұрын

@@wills.7626 thanks for the info

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi DTNB, Really appreciate you sharing your thoughts and the Profitec/WLL call out in your original comment! I'd have been in their myself but have been offline dealing with some serious family medical issues since last weekend. Thanks for helping out! Marc

@Smirnoff44 5 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage sorry to hear that Marc I hope everything is OK with you now 🤞🤞

@akquicksilver 4 жыл бұрын

Yoiu wrapped the Teflon bacckwards Todd. Shows how fogiving Teflon is . Good video, I think I want one for my new Pro 600.

@Wholelattelovepage 4 жыл бұрын

Hi JB, Thanks for the comment/correction. If interested in the FCD do check out this video where we use it to tame the bite of a fresh Yirgacheffe. In the video we pull a triple bottomless shot normally and compare taste to a long low flow pre-infusion with multi-angle views and record parameters with Acaia Brew Master app: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/frqRn9xpyJPNj4k.html

@zombiewolf5941 3 жыл бұрын

I noticed that too :)

@AndersSvensson_norrkoping Жыл бұрын

You guys are the best!

@Wholelattelovepage Жыл бұрын

Hi Anders, Thanks a whole latte for the comment!

@WasimBarri 4 жыл бұрын

Some other flow control device instructions talk about applying grease or some sort of lubrication to the mushroom's "O" ring but I noticed Todd didn't do that. Why have they said that?

@johnreefervermont4874 4 жыл бұрын

I am waiting to order one but it is on back order. Very exciting but sad that it is not available. Great video!!!

@Wholelattelovepage 4 жыл бұрын

Hi VJ, Thanks for the comment. They have been very popular and are in short supply - hopefully coming soon! Marc

@EvgenNik 5 жыл бұрын

What is the device behind the coffee grinder on top and where can I buy it?

@rafaelbenoliel1562 2 жыл бұрын

Hi .... I have 2 questions for the experts.... 1. I noticed that on other video sites and instructions they unscrew the bottom part of the E61 brew group and insert the spring that comes with the ECM and Profitec sets. Seems it is a 'harder' spring. Is this an important part of the process? You must have had a reason for not changing it.... maybe you could share with us? 2. I installed my ECM FCD as you show and at closed (with the new handle that can spin all the way round) I still get water flowing flow (about 2.7g/second). Is that normal? Can I get around this? Thank you! Rafael

@kevinguttenplan743 5 жыл бұрын

Any news on the device working on the Alex Duetto?!?

@BensCoffeeRants 2 жыл бұрын

The flow control doesn't really control the brew pressure, you can control it to a point, but your max brew pressure is going to be limited by your pump or OPV pressure I believe and the coffees resistance (if ground and tamped properly) so lets say it's started off nice and slow your getting a good stream now you ramp it up to say 11ml / sec stock flow rate or close to it, would that make any difference vs only ramping it up to 4 ml/sec if the brew pressure is gong to be 9 bars in either case.

@axelthedawg9577 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video - once again very well done. I may have missed preliminary video, but can you explain what problem this solves? I bought my Profitec 700 from you late last year and it did not have a flow control gauge or handle. Do I need this? thanks!

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Axel, Thanks for the comment, purchase and question! You do not have to have this, but it is available if you want. Flow control gives you yet another variable to control an extraction. You can mimic what is done on commercial machines like Slayer, LM GS3 or manual lever machines. Options abound but you could for instance to a long low flow rate pre-infusion then bump up to full flow and tail flow off at the end. If interested, the FCD is available now to previous Pro 700 (coming soon for ECM Synchronika) WLL customers here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-e61-flow-control-device Marc

@TheWazoo999 5 жыл бұрын

Just got my 2019 Pro 700 a few days ago. What is this about?

@tiendong7912 5 жыл бұрын

Very cool .Is it 2019 Profitec 700 espresso? I like it very much.

@coffeeconversations7808 5 жыл бұрын

Great video again, wonder if pressure profiling will be the next big thing in e61 shot pulling... I’m guessing this will reduce blondong at the end of the shot. Do you need to install the pressure gauge in the group head if you machine has a pressure gauge already installed. Now you got me thinking of the next mod on my machine.

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi CC, Pressure and flow are related. Ramping down the flow and/or pressure at the end of a shot may reduce blonding but there are of course other variables involved like the coffee, dose, grind, etc. The gauge on the group measures pressure much closer to the coffee and after the flow control. The gauge on the machine face shows hydraulic pressure prior to the flow control device so it will read full pressure regardless of what the flow is. Marc

@raidensix 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Todd, on my P500, the flow control pressure gauge tops out at between 8-9 bar when pulling a shot. Is this right or am I doing something wrong?

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Vernon, Thanks for the question. 8-9 bar when pulling a shot is exactly where you want to be!

@josephmooney5723 4 жыл бұрын

I just got my kit to put into a Profitec 500 Pro PID. In the kit there is a coil/spring that is supposed to go into the prebrew-cylinder. This is not mentioned in the installation procedure in this video. Is this a new part of the installation? What does it do and is it necessary to replace the old coil for the new P1029-spring?

@Wholelattelovepage 4 жыл бұрын

Hi JM, The Profitec Flow Control kit we carry does not include a spring that I'm aware of: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-e61-flow-control-device Marc

@ThomasChesterVA 5 жыл бұрын

I want it! I want it! But I cannot find it on the WLL store site :-( I have a WBT so I assume the pre-infusion on the Profitec partially negates the need for the pressure filter but I can lower the pressure near the end of the pull. Does this make sense? Any suggestions for those with the WBT system?

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Thomas, Very cool right! Just became available as individual component yesterday! Here's a link to the Pro 700 FCD: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-e61-flow-control-device There is some overlap and a big difference with a BWT system with in-line pressure regulator. Through the pressure regulator you can set a constant pre-infusion pressure for use prior to the pump coming on. After the pump is on the pressure regulator setting has no affect on the extraction. With the FCD you can manipulate the flow rate at anytime during the extraction. So you could get a long low flow pre-infusion with the machine pump on, then ramp up to full flow/brew pressure, then tail of the flow at the end to avoid over-extraction. Marc

@murtazaibnhassan 5 жыл бұрын

Where can this be bought in the UK?

@highentropy 5 жыл бұрын

This is pretty cool! I wonder if this will fit other dual boiler E61 groupheads like the Rocket R58?

@aoalr 5 жыл бұрын

This will fit all E61 group heads but currently sold to ECM/Profitec owners

@highentropy 5 жыл бұрын

@@aoalrare you assuming that all E61 group heads are manufactured to the exact same specs? What if there is a few mm of variation between manufacturers?

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

The Flow Control Device is no longer restricted to purchase by previous Whole Latte Love customers. Anyone can purchase! As of 4/16/19 our technicians have certified the FCD for use on all E61 group machines manufactured by Profitec, ECM and Expobar. Our technicians continue to test the device on E61 group machines from other manufacturers and we will update the list of certified machines as testing continues. Please be aware as of 4/17/19 we have a limited supply of FCD devices in stock but more are on the way. Limited air shipment arrives about 4/20/19 with a large shipment arriving near the end of April '19. FCD devices may be ordered at this time here: www.wholelattelove.com/produc... Or call 585-924-7170 to pre-order Marc

@adamhicks1212 4 жыл бұрын

Hi there! I ordered a Pro 600, to be delivered Tuesday. I didn’t get the flow control model because I failed to research the benefits. Is this retrofit available? The link in the comment below does not work. I’m thinking if it’s an option I’ll just snag the retrofit and get my machine set up with it up front. Thank you!

@alex____1 4 жыл бұрын

Hi guys, I bought the flow control valve but mine came with a spring that you don’t mention in the video, furthermore, are there any substitutes for Teflon tape? Could I use duct tape?

@MattM-24 4 жыл бұрын

I can't comment on the spring, but there is no real substitute for teflon tape. Teflon tape is purpose built tape to assist in creating a perfect seal with threading. Looking at home depot, they have some for $.50

@vespatipps6949 5 жыл бұрын

Nice Feature! - I would like to know, when is the Flow control kit available for other machines?

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Marco, Thanks for the question. We anticipate receiving The ECM Synchronika styled FCD in ~2 weeks. As of 4/17/19 our technicians have certified the FCD for all E61 group machines made by Profitec, ECM and Expobar. We continue to test the device on E61 group machines from other manufacturers. Marc

@l35m4rch35 3 жыл бұрын

Hi guys ! Many thanks ( even if it's not recent ) for all of these videos as you are the one that speak about flow profiling. I just bought an ECM kit for my Classika and i did not succeed to mount pressure gauge as i liked to be. I tried all the angles but every time it's mounted in a bad way . When it's mounted in the right way for me, it's not tight as stuck. Do you have any advices ? Many thanks by advance !

@Wholelattelovepage 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, You are welcome for the videos. You can try an additional small gasket or one of different thickness around the threaded section to change where the gauge lines up. Marc

@l35m4rch35 3 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you Marc, I'll try this. You're the best!

@istibo 5 жыл бұрын

Hi, where and how do I purchase this flow controller upgrade for my ECM Synchronika?

@aoalr 5 жыл бұрын

The ECM version will be available in a month

@istibo 5 жыл бұрын

aoalr thank you!

@gaagail 5 жыл бұрын

This will work with your ECM synchronika.

@KonCity22 5 жыл бұрын

any updates on testing on rocket machines?

@johnnymcleanvlogs 5 жыл бұрын

and its working great

@jasonh2217 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great tips, question, what is the normal water amount for vibration pump in 10sec when testing for the kit?

@Wholelattelovepage 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Jason, You are welcome. Typical vibration pump flow rate is ~8g/s so in 10 seconds flow would be 80g or 80ml of water. Marc

@jasonh2217 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Marc!

@rickseneris 2 жыл бұрын

Looks good, but an electric motor speed controller will probably work equally good or much better than mechanical profiler. Very, very much cheaper too. It will work on vibration and vane rotary electric pumps. What are your thoughts on the idea? I believe that is the trend that is being used on fully programmable automatic espresso machines selling for thousands of dollars. As a matter of fact, I will install one for my Lelit Victoria once I get it back for warranty repair in New Jersey.

@ange5354 3 жыл бұрын

what about the solenoid valve spring with the higher tension? My kit came with that spring

@BensCoffeeRants 2 жыл бұрын

Disables the E61 built in Quick pre-infusion, (installed in the bottom part, not the top with the mushroom!) I wouldn't bother installing the stiffer spring, it works fine without it if you don't mind it doing the little pre infusion first all the time.

@KonCity22 5 жыл бұрын

Any updates if it work on rocket machines

@macoshuffler 3 жыл бұрын

hi there, i recently purchased an ecm synchronica with flow control pre-installed. when the device is fully closed it seems to still pump out about 3.3ml per second which is much quicker than the slow drip in your video. i am also unable to effectively ramp up and down pressure gradually... it stays at zero for a few seconds than quickly ramps up to 9 bar. i am unable to get it to stop at 2, 4 or 6 bar etc. even when it is completely closed. is there anyway to fix this at all? would i need to make the nut tighter so that the device closes off even more? or is there a chance that the gage was not installed with teflon tape and this is affecting pressure? (just spit balling ideas). many thanks for your vids! aleks

@Wholelattelovepage 3 жыл бұрын

Hi ms, You are welcome for the vids! Very easy fix. You'll need to loosen the control knob and have the collar around the shaft set higher so when you turn to close the valve the collar has the clearance to do so. Here's a link to the section of the video which shows how to do that: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fb9ggNmS1pexg6c.html Hope that helps! Also, here's a link to more info on flow control including calibration information and graphs of 5 flow profiles: www.wholelattelove.com/blogs/articles/intro-to-calculating-flow-rate-on-e61-group-machines Hope that helps! Marc

@LuckyBuns 4 жыл бұрын

Will you sell them pre-installed on the Profitec Pro 600 model? Will this product work with that model as well?

@Wholelattelovepage 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Sebastian, The flow control is compatible with all Profitec machines with E61 group. You can order a Pro 600 with the flow control pre-installed. Pro 600 with FCD pre-installed is not a listed item on our website. To order pre-installed you will need to call our customer service at 585-924-7170. Marc

@jeangagnon6563 2 жыл бұрын

When the valve is fully closed are you suppose to have drip coming out? if no what kind of adjustment can you make to stop it from dripping?

@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Jean, Thanks for the question. When fully closed there should be no drip. To correct loosen the black flow control knob by turning counterclockwise. That releases a set screw which will allow you to move the sleeve it's screwed into up a bit to give clearance below the sleeve. With that you should be able to close the valve fully. Once you can, tighten the black knob so the sleeve holds position. Hope that helps! Marc

@zombiewolf5941 3 жыл бұрын

Is there a newer video that shows it able to stop the flow?

@Wholelattelovepage 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Zombie, I have a bunch of videos on flow control. Not certain I've specifically shown closing the valve and stopping the flow. But you most definitely can do that. I do it in some of the profiles I've used. And, I do it regularly to check brew pressure setting and adjust OPV etc as the effect is the same as having a backflush disc inserted in a portafilter. Marc

@Agathorn 5 жыл бұрын

Nice! Just like my Lelit Bianca!

@ongchengwee4855 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Marc, I recently installed the Profitec Flow control Kit V3 and the new design doesn’t allow me to calibrate the device like what you did in 3:40. I can only unscrew the round knob and was still unable to take out the entire “cover” . Also, is it normal that water still flow through the group head despite turning the knob to the “off” position. Thanks!

@Wholelattelovepage 3 жыл бұрын

Hi oc, It is not normal for water to still flow when valve is completely closed. If you are getting flow when closed then you need to calibrate. I've not heard of a v.3 of the FC device. Wonder if that's a retailer's designation? Anyway, loosen the knob and use a thin plastic something to get under and lever up the cover if possible. If design of your FC is similar to one in video this should work. May be a bit stubborn to move at first so keep at it. If you can get the cover to move up a bit then you should be able to close valve further and stop flow completely. When you tighten the knob back down to hold cover in place do it when the valve is closed and maintain a small space below the bottom lip of cover and metal below it so valve can fully close in future. Hope that helps! Marc

@ongchengwee4855 3 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc! Really appreciate your reply. Found out that the so called V3 version is actually the latest FCD by profitec/ECM. It’s the one with the round knob that are in your other videos. I saw one of your live videos and managed to solve the problem. Now really excited to try your recommended coffee profiles! Thank you!!

@keddyphotoeclecticphotogra6120 5 жыл бұрын

ECM Classika...yes?

@ultraman8899 4 жыл бұрын

Been playing with this kit for a couple of days. One thing I notice is the pressure gauge on the group head never passed 6 bars, on the machine it says 9 bars (R58). Any idea why? Thanks,

@Wholelattelovepage 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Trooper, Thanks for the question. The machine gauge indicates the internal pressure of the brew water circuit. So long as there's coffee in the portafilter of a sufficiently fine grind size the machine's gauge will indicate 9 bar of pressure when brewing. The gauge on the group indicates the actual pressure on the coffee puck which can be adjusted using the flow control device. Have a video in production now on the Flow Control Device and how to use it on the Pro 500, 600 and 700. Look for that to be posted in the next few days. It will include tips on how to use flow based on coffee types and other factors. Marc

@ultraman8899 4 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks Marc. Im looking forward to watch that video.

@KonCity22 5 жыл бұрын

Great video. It would be helpful to explain the benefits of this besides showing how it works? Maybe your next blog post of the benefits of flow control... also does this work on rocket apartmento

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Chris, We will be getting there! On my way to SCA in Boston today. Will hopefully have Michael Hauck of Profitec/ECM doing some video demos of the FCD showing some different extraction techniques using his device. Have not tried it on an Appartamento so I'm not sure yet. Most E61 assemblies/mushrooms are very similar but there are slight design differences. Marc

@322816 5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely love that you designed this to fit on existing 700's but so very sad to learn that the kit is only being sold to people who purchased their Profitec 700 from WLL :(

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Joe, Thanks for the comment. Apologies for my delayed response. I'm just back from the SCA Expo in Boston and working on catching up. For now we do have an exclusive arrangement with Profitec/ECM on the FCD. Understand we have put a lot of effort and expense into development of the FCD including multiple trips to Profitec's production facilty in Italy. Here's some of the backstory on the device as published in Roast Magazine's Daily Coffee News: dailycoffeenews.com/2019/04/10/whole-latte-love-and-profitec-ecm-launch-flow-control-device-for-e61-groupheads/ We're in early stages here and with the popularity of the FCD and limited supply we are servicing existing customers first. As time goes on the device will be available to others. Marc

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Hey Joe, Now anyone can purchase! Here's more info: The Flow Control Device is no longer restricted to purchase by previous Whole Latte Love customers. Anyone can purchase! As of 4/16/19 our technicians have certified the FCD for use on all E61 group machines manufactured by Profitec, ECM and Expobar. Our technicians continue to test the device on E61 group machines from other manufacturers and we will update the list of certified machines as testing continues. Please be aware as of 4/17/19 we have a limited supply of FCD devices in stock but more are on the way. Limited air shipment arrives about 4/20/19 with a large shipment arriving near the end of April '19. FCD devices may be ordered at this time here: www.wholelattelove.com/produc... Or call 585-924-7170 to pre-order Marc

@322816 5 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage Awesome!! Thanks for the reply.

@marioooeca 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Mark, are you planning to have the flow control decide back in stock soon? I never got a chance to grab one :(

@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Mario, If you previously purchased a Profitec or ECM machine from us you can purchase a flow control. They are not listed on the website but you can contact our Sales dept. directly to purchase: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us Marc

@sbcreative 4 жыл бұрын

Do you know if these work on the Faema e61 legend?

@Wholelattelovepage 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Steve, I have not checked compatibility with that particular machine but have yet to find an E61 group it does not work on. Marc

@pasl.9424 3 жыл бұрын

I have the Flow control installed on my Synchronika. However, on the top mushroom there is some minor calcination on the outside from water that has come out and evaporated on the hot E61 head (only very little but it collects over time). I checked the sealing and the proper torque. Can you comment on that? Ever heard of that issue before? Thanks a lot!

@Wholelattelovepage 3 жыл бұрын

Hi PL, Thanks for the question. I have not seen that before. Confirm there's a white washer in between the group and mushroom nut. It may not be visible with flow control mounted so you may need to loosen the mushroom nut to view. If having minor leaks and residue build over time I would remove mushroom nut, thoroughly clean area and remount. There is no specific torque recommendation. Use relatively firm pressure.

@pasl.9424 3 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for replying! Btw.: I really appreciate the time and effort you put into creating such amazing content and help us users with your knowledge ;-) The white washer is mounted but I will try and clean everything and then reassemble. Besides that the Synchronika with flow control is great and I enjoy making great coffee with it every single day! Greetings from Munich!

@mjmjersey 3 жыл бұрын

Marc., could you please tell me how to backflush my Pro 700 with flow control

@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын

Hi michael, Sure! Before backflushing open your flow control valve 1.25 turns. With a backflush disc in your portafilter add 3g (~1/2 teaspoon) of Cafiza to the portafilter. Mount the PF and run the pump for 10 seconds then off - repeat 4 times. Remove PF and rinse. Remount PF and run 5 cycles of pump on for 10 seconds to rinse. Marc

@tiendong7912 5 жыл бұрын

Very interesting! I like it. Can it install this Flow Control Device V 1 into ECM Synchronika?

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi TD, Thanks for the question. Yes you can: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-e61-flow-control-device Marc

@yunfengzhang3758 4 жыл бұрын

can i set the FCD that works with larger volume both at close and full open than in this video?

@Wholelattelovepage 4 жыл бұрын

Hi yz, Thanks for the question. At full open flow rate is ~30g/s. Flow rates on stock machines without flow control and standard mushroom valve is ~11g/s for rotary pumps and ~8g/s for vibration pump. Should never run with flow wide open. Marc

@yunfengzhang3758 4 жыл бұрын

Whole Latte Love,thanks for the knowledge. I ordered a set of FCD form a local dealer who has the first version only(the set is for Profitec 700 actually),for my ECM Synchronika, and I am wondering if I could set it to run anti-clockwisely, say, from 2-4ml/s for pre-infusion to 8-10ml/s for extraction. My machine runs at about 12ml/s, and I prefer the first version because of the larger knob,which I think is easier to handle.So the major difference between 2 versions is the knob? It could turn more than 1 circle for the second version

@benj_md 3 жыл бұрын

Would that be compatible with the version 1 of th Pro 700?

@Wholelattelovepage 3 жыл бұрын

Hi BMD, Yes it is.

@roblucchetti2993 3 жыл бұрын

Does this device void the warranty if used on a non-WLL ECM/Profitech Machine or in fact any other E61 type machine that WLL certifies? It's great the WLL certifies it, but if the manufacturer voids the warranty, then, respectfully, is it worth the risk?

@Wholelattelovepage 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Rob, I doubt it would void warranty on Profitec or ECM machines regardless of vendor. The flow control device is made by Profitec/ECM. I cannot speak for other manufacturers. We have tested the device on other brands of machines using E61 groups and so far it works on all. Here's an article with the origin story of the flow control device: dailycoffeenews.com/2019/04/10/whole-latte-love-and-profitec-ecm-launch-flow-control-device-for-e61-groupheads/ Marc

@markciso1028 5 жыл бұрын

Is it possible also on vibration pumps with e61?

@Dune87 5 жыл бұрын

Yes, why not?

@naseebmohammed7426 4 жыл бұрын

Does the flow control has any effect on rocket appartamento? is it good for a heat exchanger for example appartamento or gittoto type V

@Wholelattelovepage 4 жыл бұрын

Hi NM, Thanks for the question. We have installed the Flow Control Device on Rocket machines with E61 groups and it works. Marc

@naseebmohammed7426 4 жыл бұрын

Whole Latte Love thanks Marc I am just concerned because all the videos of flow control on double boiler and I got a heat exchanger e61 group head.

@hwaleed 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve installed a flow control device from Coffee Sensor in my Profitec Pro 700 and it worked perfectly. Sometimes when I leave on position for a while it gets hard to bring it back. Is this is normal due to high temperature? Other question, it reaches the normal flow of mushroom head when I turn it only between 1/4 & 1/2 position (the range is small). Is this is OK? Or I must purchase the one manufactured by Profitec? Pls let me know because I’m really puzzled 😰

@BensCoffeeRants 2 жыл бұрын

I noticed that as well, It just feels a little stiffer to move sometimes, other times nice and smooth right? I had the Coffee Sensor brand one on my Rocket, and it did that, I got another machine with the ECM one installed and I thought the ECM might be nicer to use/ smoother but it does the same thing. Maybe it's due to the pressure build up when the machine is hot, or maybe some solids or scale affecting the smoothness, not sure.

@user-cg9kq3vw1i 4 жыл бұрын

Can I buy this espresso flow configuration now? My coffee machine is FAEMA E61. Is it universal?

@Wholelattelovepage 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Thanks for the question. So far it is universal in all E61 groups we have tested including ECM, Profitec, Rocket, and Expobar machines. In some areas of the world it is available as an upgrade. It's currently not available as an upgrade in the US due to supply shortages caused by virus related manufacturing slow down in Italy. Marc

@gaagail 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Marc please we need another video about FCD and how to use it.

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi, Thanks for the request! I will have more videos coming on using the FCD. In the meantime, It can be used in many ways. You can set and forget for a lower flow rate that works for a particular coffee. Another option is to do a bell curve flow. So start with slow flow and let the coffee pre-infuse. Then ramp up to higher flow for middle of extraction. Then back off to a lower flow as the extraction ends. Marc

@gaagail 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks marc for your reply.. I install it on my synchronika, but I don't know if the amount of water is correct.. Thanks Marc.

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! Some more advice... take a look at the flow rate without the portafilter in place while you adjust the FCD. This will give you an idea of what's happening with flow rate as you adjust when brewing. Also, remember the flow/pressure can never exceed the general pressure of the machine prior to install of the FCD. Taste, taste, taste! Try some extractions with long low flow at beginning and then ramp up and back down at the end. Compare that flavor to regular extraction at full flow and another at ~1/3 reduced flow rate. Taste and see what produces your favorite flavor! Have some friends taste too and take some votes and notes. It'll be fun to hear the different opinions! Also, don't worry about duration (time) of extraction when reducing flow. 45 seconds is okay if it tastes good. I'd love to hear back on your results! Marc

@askay2k 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Marc, I didn't see you replace the pre-infusion sprint. Is it ok to leave the pre-infusion function on?

@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Sam I've used flow with and without the spring change and honestly have not noticed any difference. Marc

@askay2k 2 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc.

@TheK9Shepherd 2 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage I just received the flow control unit for my new Profitec 700 (was supposed to be installed by WLL on my new machine but they sent the machine without it installed so they had to send the flow control separately) anyways :) I too noticed on the instructions that came with the flow control about replacing the spring (with the bigger one that came with the flow control) So from your above statement, it's not really needed to replace the spring then? I like having the pre-infusion capability (I am doing the BWT filter and direct plumb also) Thanks !

@chefleo1499 2 жыл бұрын

How I can get one I buy 1 month ago 700 pro but is too much water coming out…

@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын

Grind your coffee finer to slow down the flow. Here's a video on how to dial in grind size: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oLWJaqdhl9SYc6s.html If you have a flow control open 1.25 turns from closed (no flow) when dialing in your grind size. 1.25 turns open gives you the same flow rate as if you did not have the flow control.

@erwangozali1972 4 жыл бұрын

How to got that device?

@JasonAlexzander1q47 2 жыл бұрын

When you open it all the way, does it flow the same as if it didn't have the flow control device?

@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын

Hi ML, No! It has the potential to flow at a much higher rate. Stock flow rate is obtained with the valve open 1.25 turns from closed position. Here's a link to an article with more info on flow rates at different valve positions and graphs of 5 flow profiles: www.wholelattelove.com/blogs/articles/intro-to-calculating-flow-rate-on-e61-group-machines Marc

@ps121he4 3 жыл бұрын

Hello. I just installed my flow control on mechanika v slim (from wholelattelove). However, the flow increment per 1/4 turn is very sensitive at the end. From Fully close to just a 1mm opening creates 2.5ml/s flow. So a 1/4 turn from fully closed creates a higher flow rate. Too much flow rate. So with just a 1/4 opening, within about 3 secs the pressure jumps to 10 bar (per group head gauge). What am I doing wrong? I followed the instructions when installing my flow control.

@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын

Hey P, Thanks for the question. Are you sure you are getting no flow when the valve is fully closed? Check by closing the valve fully and then turn the pump on. If still getting flow with the valve fully closed turn out the black handle of the flow control. That allows you to lift off the vertical chrome piece it screws into. What happens is that piece can drop down and prevent the valve from fully closing. If that's the case with yours lift it up a bit to get more clearance between the bottom of the vertical chrome piece and the top of the group. That allows you to turn the valve closed all the way. Keep a bit of space there then tighten the black handle when set to a zero flow position. Marc

@ps121he4 2 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for the reply. When the valve is fully closed (clockwise) there is no water flow. But even a 1 mm from that close to open (counter clockwise) it flows. It's way too sensitive and difficult to control the flow. 1/4 open from full close increases the pressure to 9-10 bar within seconds.

@mjmjersey 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Mark I'm curious how long can you leave your profitec pro 700 with flow control on like let's say in the morning while you're eating breakfast could you leave it on for 2 or 3 hours say or is that detrimental I mean could it damage the machine what's the maximum time you should leave it on

@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын

Hi michael, No problem to leave the machine on for 2-3 hours. When in Italy a couple of years ago I asked the CEO of Profitec how he uses his machine. He says it's often on 24/7 and he has no problem doing that - does not think it's detrimental to the machine. Th Pro 700 does have an ECO mode which turns the boilers off after a user set time from last use ranging out to 10 hours. Marc

@mjmjersey 2 жыл бұрын

Marc thank you so much for your quick response. I am so glad that you provide this service for us this machine is incredible I love it and because of you and your videos I purchased it

@mjmjersey 2 жыл бұрын

@@WholelattelovepageMarc what do you suggest I set the time for.

@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын

@@mjmjersey You're welcome. I'll remind I'm not always that quick with a response :) How long you set for ECO mode is totally up to you and your usage pattern. For example if you use at 7am and 10am set it for at least 3 hours. Time is set in minutes so that would be more than 180+ minutes. Marc

@christopherma1718 4 жыл бұрын

What is the "stock" flow rate of E61 group heads? Would like to know stock flow rate, when calibrating my different adjustments

@Wholelattelovepage 4 жыл бұрын

Hi CM, Thanks for the question. Stock flow rate is ~8 bar for vibration pump machines and ~11 bar for rotary pump machines. Marc

@thomas-hm2in 3 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage Did you mean 8 and 11 g/sec?

@roadstardelta 3 жыл бұрын

HE is asking about FLOW RATE not pressure.

@akquicksilver 4 жыл бұрын

Any idea when you will have Version II instock?

@Wholelattelovepage 4 жыл бұрын

Hi JB, Hopefully soon! FCD demand currently high and outpacing supply.

@akquicksilver 4 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage I did not see a price on the "out of stock" FCD ?????

@daustin777 5 жыл бұрын

Is this for the 700 only or for other Profitec machines as well? Link?

@ryawong 5 жыл бұрын

Ditto. I want to know if it'll work on a Pro 500 2018 edition?

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi David, Thanks for the question! It will work on other E61 machines. Here's more info: The Flow Control Device is no longer restricted to purchase by previous Whole Latte Love customers. Anyone can purchase! As of 4/16/19 our technicians have certified the FCD for use on all E61 group machines manufactured by Profitec, ECM and Expobar. Our technicians continue to test the device on E61 group machines from other manufacturers and we will update the list of certified machines as testing continues. Please be aware as of 4/17/19 we have a limited supply of FCD devices in stock but more are on the way. Limited air shipment arrives about 4/20/19 with a large shipment arriving near the end of April '19. FCD devices may be ordered at this time here: www.wholelattelove.com/produc... Or call 585-924-7170 to pre-order Marc

@nicholasroberti8049 3 жыл бұрын

Hi there! When installing, do you need to drain the boiler first?

@Wholelattelovepage 3 жыл бұрын

Hi NR, Thanks for the question. No, you do not have to drain the boiler. But the machine should be cold when installing. Marc

@nicholasroberti8049 3 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks Marc! WLL was very nice and sent me a replacement kit. In it was also a replacement spring. Do you have a video explaining how to install that spring? Thanks!

@amcvay1979 4 жыл бұрын

can this unit be added to any E61 style machine?

@Wholelattelovepage 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Aaron, Thanks for the question. We've tested on E61s from Rocket, Expobar, Bezzera and have yet to find an E61it does not work on. Marc

@777nando Жыл бұрын

Is it normal to have some pressure on the Pompa indicator bar when you are not brewing? I had just installed the flow control and now the pressure is not at 0 anymore 😮

@Wholelattelovepage Жыл бұрын

Hi Fernando, Yes it is normal to have some pressure on the gauge when not brewing. Lifting the E61 lever a bit without kicking the pump on will bleed it off. You don't need to do that unless you want to.Pressure is measured deep in the system close to the pump and behind a one way valve.

@777nando Жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you so much for the reply, now it's time to play around with the flow, I have seen your videos many times 🤣

@Wholelattelovepage Жыл бұрын

Awesome!

@PanzerIV88 4 жыл бұрын

Damn I wish I came upon this video sooner! I didn't know the prototype was as old as 1 year already. However as 2 persons mentionned in the comments, the pictures of the (Profitech FCD) doesn't show a spring while the one in white made by (ECM) includes a spring which nobody seems to tell anywhere, why and if it is necessary or just an optionnal "backup replacement part" cause so far it looks much easier to install than I've thought but if I have to replace a spring somewhere else... x_x

@BensCoffeeRants 2 жыл бұрын

The Spring is a stiffer spring that replaces the stock one in the bottom (exhaust) part, somehow it controls the E61 mini-auto pre-infusion, so with the new stiffer spring installed it disables that built in pre infusion so you get total manual control over pre infusion / pressure buildup. My 'Coffee Sensor' Brand flow control mod came with it, I ended up going back to the stock one since I don't mind the quick pre infusion. Others also have mentioned they prefer to use the flow control and keep the original spring. It's not necessary to install. You'll still need to open the top part and replace the mushroom, the easier / less scary (in regards to scratching the machine) is the pressure gauge, which I find very useful, probably the best part of the mod.

@PanzerIV88 2 жыл бұрын

@@BensCoffeeRants Ah that is why then I don't have 100% manual control since I didn't replace the bottom spring which I don't even know if it came with my ECM mod. I really don't find myself using the flow control as looking at the gauge it's like if it's either staying super low for pre-infusion but then as soon as u open it a bit such as half a turn on top, the pressure quickly raise to ~9 Bars, gères like no in between which I find weird so then might as well leave it open at all time for my default 9.5 Bar. If I knew all the trouble and cost it was, I would have just purchased a temperature gauge instead tbh.

@cbeenhackker 5 жыл бұрын

The one Big question everyone is waiting for.......😇 wil this also work on other machines??! 😊 And second for me, is there anyway to ship this to Europe 🤔. Thanks @whole latte love

@Dune87 5 жыл бұрын

📍

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

As of 4/17/19 our technicians have certified the FCD for all E61 group machines made by Profitec, ECM and Expobar. We continue to test the device on E61 group machines from other manufacturers. At this time we cannot ship to EU :( Marc

@cbeenhackker 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Marc for your comment. I hope this will also work on my Rocket Mozzafiato. ;)

@vespatipps6949 5 жыл бұрын

Cyrille Beenhackker Hope it works on my Rocket R58 too

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

@@vespatipps6949 Testing in progress!

@medic7578 5 жыл бұрын

Is this available for older pro700’s like 2015 models

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi m, Thanks for the question. Yes it will work on older Pro 700s. Here's the link: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-e61-flow-control-device Marc

@medic7578 5 жыл бұрын

Whole Latte Love I just spoke to your live chat to find out the cost of this kit and was told I’m not allowed to purchase this because I didn’t buy my machine through W.L.L. As a return customer of yours I’m very disappointed with this approach because I didn’t buy my machine from you (because of shipping and exchange rate to Canada) I’m now excluded. I understand you want to provide the best support to your customers who purchase their machines from you, but again I believe this is a poor business model.

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

@@medic7578 Hi understand, but good news! (also sorry for the delayed response just back from SCA Boston and catching up on the comments. We can ship to Canada and new customers! Here's more info: The Flow Control Device is no longer restricted to purchase by previous Whole Latte Love customers. Anyone can purchase! As of 4/16/19 our technicians have certified the FCD for use on all E61 group machines manufactured by Profitec, ECM and Expobar. Our technicians continue to test the device on E61 group machines from other manufacturers and we will update the list of certified machines as testing continues. Please be aware as of 4/17/19 we have a limited supply of FCD devices in stock but more are on the way. Limited air shipment arrives about 4/20/19 with a large shipment arriving near the end of April '19. FCD devices may be ordered at this time here: www.wholelattelove.com/produc... Or call 585-924-7170 to pre-order Marc

@lpka 5 жыл бұрын

COME ON GUYS, WHERE IS THE LINK?... where could I get this, compatibility with other machines? BTW LOVE the VIDEOS!

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Here it is: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-e61-flow-control-device Sorry just became available late yesterday as an individual product. And thank you for the comment! Marc

@macsalem 5 жыл бұрын

So Mark, is this going to be an upgrade kit for the Pro 700/Synchronika ?

@johnnymcleanvlogs 5 жыл бұрын

thats the temp shows on there

@erickmangali 4 жыл бұрын

i'm chatting with a rep at WLL and was told the flow control device is no longer available for purchase?

@Wholelattelovepage 4 жыл бұрын

Erick Mangali Hi, they are out of stock. They have been very popular with demand exceeding supply. Also they are imported from Italy so major slowdown in production related to current events there. Marc

@erickmangali 4 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage appreciate the quick reply marc! the way the rep made it sound, the kit would no longer be available for purchase. only available on new machines. is this info accurate?

@sheriffjohn2498 10 ай бұрын

I’ve been thinking about upgrading, so I’m reading and watching about this technique, so thanks for the info. May I suggest a little constructive criticism. Please, it’s not negative! Would you add a minute or 2 to the video? The presenter seamed stressed trying to get all the info out within the time constraint. The video would be more enjoyable if he was a little more relaxed. ❤

@Wholelattelovepage 10 ай бұрын

Hey sj, Thanks for the comment. Sorry I seemed stressed. Here's a more recent video from our support center on flow control installation, maintenance and calibration: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us/articles/4414963633299--ECM-and-Profitec-E61-Flow-Control-Maintenance-and-Calibration More videos on using flow control here: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us/sections/360011447334-Profitec-Pro-700#section-4 Marc

@HigherInfluence 5 жыл бұрын

Do you ship to Canada, and what is the price of the controller?

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi WP, Sorry to say we do not ship to Canada at this time. Marc

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi William, We can now ship to Canada! There will be duties etc. Here's more: The Flow Control Device is no longer restricted to purchase by previous Whole Latte Love customers. Anyone can purchase! As of 4/16/19 our technicians have certified the FCD for use on all E61 group machines manufactured by Profitec, ECM and Expobar. Our technicians continue to test the device on E61 group machines from other manufacturers and we will update the list of certified machines as testing continues. Please be aware as of 4/17/19 we have a limited supply of FCD devices in stock but more are on the way. Limited air shipment arrives about 4/20/19 with a large shipment arriving near the end of April '19. FCD devices may be ordered at this time here: www.wholelattelove.com/produc... Or call 585-924-7170 to pre-order Marc

@HigherInfluence 5 жыл бұрын

Whole Latte Love: Thanks for the feedback. That link doesn’t appear to work.

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

@@HigherInfluence this one?www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-e61-flow-control-device Works for me

@jonasghafur4940 5 жыл бұрын

Is it possible to install the device on the pro 500?

@raidensix 5 жыл бұрын

Just installed it on mine. Todd wasn't kidding about the pressure gauge being trick.

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Yes you can! Marc

@jonasghafur4940 5 жыл бұрын

Whole Latte Love where can I buy it?

@HaramKim_CoffeeandSugar 4 жыл бұрын

does rocket has FCD?

@Wholelattelovepage 4 жыл бұрын

Hi HK, Thanks for the question. Not that I'm aware of. We have tested the FCD on E61 equipped Rocket Espresso machines and it works. Marc

@HaramKim_CoffeeandSugar 4 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you Marc!

@johnnymcleanvlogs 5 жыл бұрын

thats good

@BENBASIL 5 жыл бұрын

Will this work for a Brewtus 2?!

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Ben, Thanks for the question. At this point I do not know. It may work with many E61 groups but as the FCD is relatively new at this point we have not tested on other machines yet. We're just a few weeks from prototype. Marc

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Yes! Just certified by our techs. More info: The Flow Control Device is no longer restricted to purchase by previous Whole Latte Love customers. Anyone can purchase! As of 4/16/19 our technicians have certified the FCD for use on all E61 group machines manufactured by Profitec, ECM and Expobar. Our technicians continue to test the device on E61 group machines from other manufacturers and we will update the list of certified machines as testing continues. Please be aware as of 4/17/19 we have a limited supply of FCD devices in stock but more are on the way. Limited air shipment arrives about 4/20/19 with a large shipment arriving near the end of April '19. FCD devices may be ordered at this time here: www.wholelattelove.com/produc... Or call 585-924-7170 to pre-order Marc

@BENBASIL 5 жыл бұрын

Whole Latte Love Thank you so much for the reply, Marc! I officially have one on the way. I was also curious if there is anyway to replace the vibratory pump on my Brewtus II with a rotary pump?

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Ben, You are welcome! Let me know what you think of the FCD. I'll check with our machine techs for opinions on mounting rotary pump in your Brewtus II and report back.Marc

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

@@BENBASIL Hi I spoke with Todd who incidentally is responsible for the Brewtus concept with an HX in steam boiler feeding the brew boiler. He advised it is possible to put a rotary pump in the Brewtus II. He says it could be a little tricky and we do not have instructions on how to do it. Marc

@SpeedyWinds 5 жыл бұрын

Do we need this upgrade on the Profitec Pro 600?

@ToddRogus 5 жыл бұрын

Same question Mark, I'm ready to pull the trigger on a 600 in May. Any issues deploying this upgrade on a 600? Thanks.

@maximilianmann 5 жыл бұрын

Same opinion here

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

@@ToddRogus It will work on a 600! Marc

@maximilianmann 5 жыл бұрын

Whole Latte Love The Link does not work.

@parker550 5 жыл бұрын

The ptfe tape should be wrapped in the direction of the thread.... You did it the wrong way.... Just a point of correction 😉👍

@ThomasChesterVA 5 жыл бұрын

Wow. You got Eagle eyes :-)

@parker550 5 жыл бұрын

@@ThomasChesterVA too many years in Engineering😊👍

@beermyster69 2 жыл бұрын

I think the purchase needs to be updated. You can not purchase from your website. I love the idea and want a device but, I have to look elsewhere.

@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын

Hi David, If you originally purchased the machine from us you can purchase the FC from us to upgrade. You would need to call in for that. Here's our contact info: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us

@johnnymcleanvlogs 5 жыл бұрын

yes a joe wrench

@uiuinamo 5 жыл бұрын

Do you ship to worldwide?

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Sorry, we do not :(

@uiuinamo 5 жыл бұрын

Never mind I will find theway out ☺️

5 жыл бұрын

Inspired by Lelit Bianca

@felixchristians49 3 жыл бұрын

Heads up. The install and parts for this is now different so the video is inaccurate even with the mention of the badly designed lever on top

@Wholelattelovepage 3 жыл бұрын

Hi FC, Thanks for the comment. Due to supply limitations we are only doing FC devices per-installed. As the video says this install is for V1 FC.

@engalvan 5 жыл бұрын

Maybe Todd shouldn’t have so many shots of espresso before he gets in front of the camera. Just sayin

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Gotta test the product!!!

@melo7507 5 жыл бұрын

Hahhaha Lelit was First on the Bianca, and you copy this...shame

@cord21465 5 жыл бұрын

What do you think, why Lelit didnt protect this with a patent?

@aoalr 5 жыл бұрын

Flow control has been on expensive machines like LM GS3, Rocket R Nine and more which you can say Lelit “copied” from. Stop shaming when Lelit didn’t patent as leadroc mentioned.

@Wholelattelovepage 5 жыл бұрын

Well, no! This was first done back in the 1960s. More info toward the end of this article on how Michael Hauck/WLL brought back a forgotten feature: dailycoffeenews.com/2019/04/10/whole-latte-love-and-profitec-ecm-launch-flow-control-device-for-e61-groupheads/