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How To Make a Cheap Guitar Play Like An Expensive Guitar Set Up

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DylanTalksTone

DylanTalksTone

Күн бұрын

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@centraalmusic
@centraalmusic 2 жыл бұрын
My first guitar's strings were over an inch off the 12th fret. I was 10. I would never wish that pain on any other beginner guitarist.
@anonymousoffspring1566
@anonymousoffspring1566 2 жыл бұрын
That's why most kids who lose interest, lose interest.
@rayfabris2512
@rayfabris2512 Жыл бұрын
That helped me be a better player once I got a good guitar make a bad be a positive
@PastelitoPapi
@PastelitoPapi Жыл бұрын
@@rayfabris2512 lol this. I had a tele that I never set up and when I got a D'angelico after I was like "ooh. this clearly makes a difference" 😂
@billcaruso7050
@billcaruso7050 Жыл бұрын
I never knew what a guitar 'setup' was, and I played a baritone uke that was off by about a quarter inch at the octave fret. I figured this out on my own one day while I was taking my engineering curriculum. It never occurred to me that someone could move the bridge where it needed to be, so I tuned my uke to make second and third position chords approximately correct, and abandoned playing open strings. Worked like a charm for three decades or so.
@mihailmilev9909
@mihailmilev9909 Жыл бұрын
@@PastelitoPapi lol
@helmsmns
@helmsmns 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best set up videos I've watched. The reason I give it a thumb up is that I can't give it five thumbs up. Thanks Dylan!
@laughingdaffodils5450
@laughingdaffodils5450 3 жыл бұрын
He's definitely one of the best guitar related youtubers IMOP, and has been for some time.
@mihailmilev9909
@mihailmilev9909 Жыл бұрын
@@laughingdaffodils5450 same
@bmdola
@bmdola 3 жыл бұрын
dude you should do a podcast. I'm looking right now and there are 10,000 guitar podcasts but nobody has a teaching style as good as yours on this topic. Great stuff
@DylanTalksTone
@DylanTalksTone 3 жыл бұрын
We do. Search dylan talks tone on iTunes
@bmdola
@bmdola 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! 🤘
@JC-11111
@JC-11111 4 жыл бұрын
Man this has quickly become one of my favorite channels. Thanks for taking the time to make these, Dylan! The help and information they provide is priceless! 👍❤️ If I could just figure out what's causing this sitar sound on my high e string. It seems to be the graph tech nut. They'll replace it if I can't get it lined out so that's a plus.
@tombworld9012
@tombworld9012 4 жыл бұрын
A string tree (or a shorter one if you already have one, but don't go nuts on it) should fix that...the sitar sound is usually caused by a lack of sufficient downward string pressure on the tuning side of the nut. One way to check is to capo the string between the nut and the tuning machine and see if you still have the problem. Another potential solution would be to file the nut slot so that the fret side is higher than the headstock side so that the string only rides the playing edge of the nut.
@JC-11111
@JC-11111 4 жыл бұрын
@@tombworld9012 I fixed it a while ago. The breakover?(or maybe takeoff?) angle on the nut wasn't right. A few mins with a nut file fixed it right up. 👍I figured this out because putting more angle on the string didn't help, so I figured I'd lift the string and try again. Bam! Gone. So I knew then that the string was laying in the slot, touching the entire slot from the front edge to the rear edge. So I sloped the rear of the nut, closest to the tuners and it fixed it. I hope that wasn't confusing lol
@tombworld9012
@tombworld9012 4 жыл бұрын
@@JC-11111 Not confusing at all! It was my second suggestion to a T. Having the nut slots flat causes some weird vibrations in the string...almost like there are two strings because you're getting vibrations in the string on the other side of the nut where it shouldn't ever vibrate. A sharp enough angle on the nut (breakover? I dunno the technical term) keeps all the vibrations on the fret side where they should be.
@leer.2137
@leer.2137 Жыл бұрын
...if a guitar is not set up correctly from the beginning for a beginner, it can/would discourage the passion/learning process. It would be nice to get a close up/s as you are filing the nut/adjusting the bridge etc. Thanks for the video/tips/tool kit, etc.
@gordyn5292
@gordyn5292 6 жыл бұрын
Great invaluable video Dylan, really appreciate you explaining these in a straightforward manner that a beginner can understand.
@anonymousoffspring1566
@anonymousoffspring1566 2 жыл бұрын
I've played guitar for a lot of years and never once did my own setup. Actually dropped my newest guitar off for a setup at the local music store today. Is kind of embarrassing thinking about it 😂. Been focusing heavily on sweeping and realizing how important the setup is to be as precise as possible. I've been watching a lot of setup videos, and this video finally made everything click. Thank you for explaining things the way that you do. Subscribed, and looking forward to more content from you.
@leodanryan966
@leodanryan966 4 жыл бұрын
I have a channel along with my brother Dan, and I have zero experience with setting up guitars. I was sent a link to this video by one of your subscribers. Thanks for making it. It's going to help me greatly in the future. You sir have a new subscriber.
@23skidoo46
@23skidoo46 3 жыл бұрын
the number one thing to making a guitar enjoyable to "play" , is a good proper setup. period.
@jasonenglisch2547
@jasonenglisch2547 Жыл бұрын
I know I am late to this one! A 50-something guy who is picking up the guitar again after a couple decades off, and never having been that good to begin with. I really appreciate your videos, having just found your channel and watched your take on over-wrapping LP style guitars. I like your direct approach and have given me a lot to sit with. I just bought an Ibanez Gio, which is miles ahead of what "entry level" guitars were in the 80s and 90s, wow!!! I had been thinking I needed to automatically change the nut in the Gio, but am now not as worried about it. I will see how long it lasts. Anyway, I just subscribed and am now onto your setup video, which is something I need to learn. Thanks again!
@kaijrix
@kaijrix 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing all of your knowledge. Really good stuff
@lenbones7940
@lenbones7940 3 жыл бұрын
So glad this video popped up in my feed even if its 2yrs old lol... so I bought one of these.. ( the pink one ) and the reason was I've always been a solid rhythm player and started learning scales and playing around wit some of the pentatonics and it dawned on me that perhaps a neck that's 3/4 the size would be a great way to ease into 4 finger solo type playing... it worked btw I recommend using this guitar for anyone who is having the problem I mentioned the smaller neck really helps u progress quickly then u just pick up ur daily axe and boom ur no longer a fish outta water... after that I bought a glass slide and boom decided to try the same thing... set the strings up almost max height open e tuned it and that guitar is still to this day my slide guitar... best part ... in a pinch you have a stratocaster birthday gift at the ready for any nieces or nephews or ur own kids... I'll be the first to admit this little strat is far better than the strat knock off I learned on when I was a kid... TTFN ta ta for now...
@roberthastings708
@roberthastings708 Жыл бұрын
A comment to say thanks. This and your other instructional posts have given me the confidence to the set up myself. I'm doing one today on a Squire Bullet Mustang. Which was actually very well set up out of the box. The fret ends were atrocious though. It is destined for your pick ups. Slant 6 or Enduro I think.
@JC-11111
@JC-11111 4 жыл бұрын
Really digging that white Strat. Maybe I should've gotten white. Lol They can definitely be set up correctly. You hear people complain that cheap guitars won't intonate correctly a lot of the time because they're cheap but my $150 Strat intonates perfectly without even removing any saddle springs. 😁 Then again, I'm pretty convinced I got a good one by the luck of the draw. It's like I told someone yesterday...with inexpensive guitars, you might get a good one here and there. With expensive guitars, you might get a dud here and there. That's the difference.
@elpapadoctor
@elpapadoctor 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome!! Maybe the best video ever!
@popsfereal
@popsfereal 3 жыл бұрын
Put tape on the back of the fret protectors, or they will make marks on your fret board.
@TheForce_Productions
@TheForce_Productions 6 жыл бұрын
Great advices for rookies and some experienced ones.
@frantisca
@frantisca 6 жыл бұрын
Well done. And once this is over, a useful thing to do is pickup height and trem adjustment to get close to perfection … ;-)
@timworley8306
@timworley8306 6 жыл бұрын
This is awesome, Dylan! I actually have a Squier Mini that needs some work, so this is invaluable.
@tonyderrick9871
@tonyderrick9871 Жыл бұрын
Man, thank you!! Love your videos!
@markrup6369
@markrup6369 2 жыл бұрын
With an inexpensive guitar, would you also do a fret level, crown and polish?
@TaxPayingContributor
@TaxPayingContributor 2 жыл бұрын
Old string to clean the nut. Damn you're good.
@sandraotero5951
@sandraotero5951 5 жыл бұрын
Great video , thank you for making it all So easy to understand for a beginner like me 😃. 😀
@satevo462
@satevo462 2 жыл бұрын
Don't dis 9's. I played heavier strings for years and want back to 10"s. Then I went down to 9's (Super Slinky's) and they sound great. They actually sound bigger and then the heavier strings. Don't take my qword for it. Try it for yourself.
@zetaminor77
@zetaminor77 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for this video! I found your explanation for setting intonation very helpful :)
@danardalin
@danardalin Жыл бұрын
Blue painter's tape is great for protecting fretboards.
@paullarnce2167
@paullarnce2167 3 жыл бұрын
Clear as mud. Hopefully I'll catch on.
@FOX11GUY
@FOX11GUY 2 жыл бұрын
Does intonation sustain when down tuning from standard?
@Gledii
@Gledii 5 жыл бұрын
In times of relatively good guitars with very attractive prices this video is in perfect timing :). One thing i noticed with a couple of guitars is that after doing all this adjustments you´ve mentioned,some fret buzz can ocur if you want a medium to low action. i was using a straight metal plate(long as 3 frets) to check for "rocking" on the buzzing fret between the adjacents fret (i´ve just saw this somewhere, not sure if is really the correct way of doing it :P) somehow it works in order to identify frets that are a little higher than they should. PS; what is the name of that stand you are using to hold the neck! seems perfect :)
@Snowy0123
@Snowy0123 2 жыл бұрын
I always hated when people mention the factory set-up when they're evaluating or reviewing a new guitar.. like somehow the factory employees are responsible for the guitar needing a setup after traveling through extreme climates... that's when I know it's a new player that is reviewing the guitar..
@Yupppi
@Yupppi 4 жыл бұрын
I can't help but be super curious about that robert keeley yelled at me mug. Is it a self-made joke? Is it an atonement, a reminder, an apology, of life change? Maybe we'll never learn, maybe we will. Some people like to set the intonation fretting the note as if they were on a gig, pushing it a bit harder than you'd fret it while setting up. Just to account for the way they use the instrument.
@robertmcalister160
@robertmcalister160 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! BTW, I see you have a Triumph T-shirt on....do you have a Triumph Motorcycle?
@gilleslafontaine797
@gilleslafontaine797 6 жыл бұрын
At 4:41, when looking at the fretboard, there are two frets that do not seem to be well embedded.
@edgyswordsmanmanga4051
@edgyswordsmanmanga4051 3 жыл бұрын
@@dp9550 how do you reseat frets?
@graxjpg
@graxjpg 3 жыл бұрын
@@edgyswordsmanmanga4051 heat the glue with a soldering iron and use a hammer?
@edgyswordsmanmanga4051
@edgyswordsmanmanga4051 3 жыл бұрын
@@graxjpg how do you make sure that doesnt melt or warp anything?
@graxjpg
@graxjpg 3 жыл бұрын
@@edgyswordsmanmanga4051 the soldering iron won’t melt anything unless you hit binding. The hammer should be a wooden one, and if you reinforce what you’re hammering it won’t be any more intrusive than when they put the frets on in the first place
@MegaToogoodtobetrue
@MegaToogoodtobetrue Жыл бұрын
When you were measuring the height of the strings against the frets you said too high. You used a measuring tool. What is too high and what is right height
@devinsinderwitcz9134
@devinsinderwitcz9134 Жыл бұрын
Look on the manufacturers website and they should tell you (sometimes). If not check the type of guitar you have and match it to the body style, there's tons of sites with measurements. Some of it is also personal preference :). Hope that helps you out.
@popsfereal
@popsfereal 3 жыл бұрын
Indio guitars are awesome "economical" guitars, but the fret ends are barbed wire and will saw your fingers right off.
@popsfereal
@popsfereal 3 жыл бұрын
What would one look for if one saddle is WAY off to get it intonated?
@TheFrankHuda
@TheFrankHuda 3 жыл бұрын
Some day I'll get a guitar that comes in a box....it's something to shoot for eh lol?
@donerskine2135
@donerskine2135 2 жыл бұрын
Pickup height should be done before intonation. To close could pull string out of tune
@DylanTalksTone
@DylanTalksTone 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@mr.wright7182
@mr.wright7182 3 жыл бұрын
Damn I use .09s and I'm 22 I guess I am still a kid
@henrikb.folkestad3204
@henrikb.folkestad3204 3 жыл бұрын
Lots of great guitarists use .09s. They're not "baby" strings, they're just lighter which give them a brighter tone and make them easier to bend. They can also be tuned higher without snapping, on the flipside they are not great for downtuning. But they're proper strings just like .017s.
@JB-su3eq
@JB-su3eq 3 жыл бұрын
Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck (also used 11's), Eddie Van Halen, Mark Knopfler, Dimebag Darrel (standard tuning guitars), Joe Perry, Angus Young, Randy Rhodes, Steve Vai, Joe Satriani all used 9s regularly. B.B. King and Billy Gibbons used .008s. Don't believe that thicker strings equal "beefier" tone. They dont. Past 10's...the only thing you're doing is muddying up the sound on modern pickups...especially the interplay between the low E and A strings. Get an amp that you can crank and play with a low volume on the guitar itself while playing with a very light touch. You can make 009's sound like the heaviest thing in the world. Hendrix knew this as his lowest E was almost always an unheard of .038...even though occasionally he would set up his high E and B strings with a standard .010. When you hear of people like Stevie Ray Vaughan and Joe Bonamassa using .013's and .011's the most....the thing most people don't understand is that Stevie often tuned down a half-step for live performances and near the end of his career switched to .010's and Joe Bonamassa top wraps a lot of his Les Pauls and tunes down the older guitars a half step. ...and you are still a kid. That is also not a bad thing at all. Enjoy it and thrive in it while you can. Don't take it for granted.
@gabrieltoneguitars9365
@gabrieltoneguitars9365 4 жыл бұрын
I usually get my info from watching Phillip McKnight Videos but, I'm a Cardinals fan too. So, You know
@jannatinkarlen8702
@jannatinkarlen8702 4 жыл бұрын
Sandpaper is the best
@nicholasthullen5956
@nicholasthullen5956 2 жыл бұрын
I dig your videos but from a pickup guy you forgot pickup height
@Rzzmtzz
@Rzzmtzz 2 жыл бұрын
Is there a way to file the nut slots without buying an expensive nut file set?
@fatfro1
@fatfro1 4 жыл бұрын
Dylan, could you tell me what nut files you are using? I'm looking for a good set myself. Thanks
@deanz9161
@deanz9161 2 жыл бұрын
That guitar has a really straight neck.
@JacobAndersonLives
@JacobAndersonLives 6 жыл бұрын
great video! can you point me to the neck stand?
@DylanTalksTone
@DylanTalksTone 6 жыл бұрын
This is the one I like amzn.to/2OGgdsy
@Mdougherty8054
@Mdougherty8054 3 жыл бұрын
flat = forward
@popsfereal
@popsfereal 3 жыл бұрын
Graphite the nut slots.
@k14ce2002
@k14ce2002 6 жыл бұрын
How about fret leveling? I imagine that would need to be done as well.
@DylanTalksTone
@DylanTalksTone 6 жыл бұрын
k14ce2002 one would think, but most new guitars don’t really need it. People want to say that,
@k14ce2002
@k14ce2002 6 жыл бұрын
DylanTalksTone That is always the wild card. I think that is the area where the least amount attention is paid. Cool video Dylan!
@michaelhead875
@michaelhead875 5 жыл бұрын
The file sset is unavailable. Can you suggest an alternative?
@DylanTalksTone
@DylanTalksTone 5 жыл бұрын
try this one amzn.to/2JPnvZK
@oldrrocr
@oldrrocr 4 жыл бұрын
Dude, I discovered a free App that works better than the clip on. pano tuner. (not "piano" but designed for it.) works great for my guitars.
@Stevejoohee
@Stevejoohee 3 жыл бұрын
Where can I buy your pickups?
@DylanTalksTone
@DylanTalksTone 3 жыл бұрын
Dylantalkstone.com
@Anson120
@Anson120 6 жыл бұрын
Robert keely yelled at you? He used to work at a car audio place right down the street from me. Weird.
@zeekmx1970
@zeekmx1970 3 жыл бұрын
I once had a hispanic friend that made a cheap sunburst harmony guitar sound like hendrix. I'm not even kidding. Doesn't mean I'd trade my Ibanez RGT42 for it.
@onionbarnabus7410
@onionbarnabus7410 3 жыл бұрын
Very weird comment
@3cardmonty602
@3cardmonty602 6 жыл бұрын
Why do these guitar companies always put 9's on their guitars? Is it cost effective for them to do so? I always put 10's on them.
@DylanTalksTone
@DylanTalksTone 6 жыл бұрын
3 Card Monty do they think we are too weak lol?
@oldrrocr
@oldrrocr 4 жыл бұрын
I have seen some videos which show that 9s play better, but personal preference.
@jannatinkarlen8702
@jannatinkarlen8702 4 жыл бұрын
Cheap guitars are for beginner player market
@patrolduty8715
@patrolduty8715 2 жыл бұрын
What is problem with 9? I put 52 on my low E for old school thrash metal and I dont like it at all compared to my 46 on low E. It is not about the tension, it is about brightness, tightness of the low notes come out better on 46 compared to 52. So beefier string is not always better. P/S. Forgot to mention my neck scale is 25.5".
@anonymousoffspring1566
@anonymousoffspring1566 2 жыл бұрын
Take a look at the list of famous great guitarists who use 9's and even 8's. You might be surprised. In learning how to sweep, I learned to really appreciate the 9s.
@utubehound69
@utubehound69 6 жыл бұрын
sound advice.
@ScatZacc
@ScatZacc 3 жыл бұрын
String Weight ??? You mean string Guage lol just pokin more fun 😄😜😆
@nefariouspreludev2.046
@nefariouspreludev2.046 3 жыл бұрын
Dude. You gotta at least tape it off. And yeah, you marred the f out of the fretboard. Go watch a stew Mac tut guys.
@ralphfulwider8915
@ralphfulwider8915 5 жыл бұрын
Are you using 20000 on all your guitars
@DylanTalksTone
@DylanTalksTone 5 жыл бұрын
20,000?
@joaniebarc6763
@joaniebarc6763 4 жыл бұрын
Tens on a squier?Really!!
@JC-11111
@JC-11111 4 жыл бұрын
Why not? 🤷‍♂️
@Expedient_Mensch
@Expedient_Mensch 3 жыл бұрын
lol. $100.00 guitar, $180.00 file set.
@gabrieltoneguitars9365
@gabrieltoneguitars9365 3 жыл бұрын
There is no way to make cheap Chinese guitar sound good unless you have a cheap ear!
@DylanTalksTone
@DylanTalksTone 3 жыл бұрын
Lol.... that’s a bit of a snob thing to say....
@gabrieltoneguitars9365
@gabrieltoneguitars9365 3 жыл бұрын
@@DylanTalksTone Call it what you want , there is a reason China copies AMERICAN guitars
@DylanTalksTone
@DylanTalksTone 3 жыл бұрын
So guitar companies from other countries aren’t capable of making quality guitars?
@henrybelfiore8488
@henrybelfiore8488 3 жыл бұрын
Let's see how do you make a cheap Chinese guitar sound good O I know Dylan pickups!!!!
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