We were the same

Thats great thanks

Thanks that's very kind of you

Hi, thanks for your kind words and just happy we could help. My main advice would be to keep the track plan simple and work.in one side/area at a time, and have fun!

Similar for me back when I was a teenager in the 80s. A bloke up the road designed a double PWM controller circuit for that strip board for his N gauge layout. It even had inertia brake and acceleration simulation to. I built one to his design and I think I had one bad solder joint to resolve, but other than that it worked a treat. My trains would crawl with full torque even up the incline I had on the layout. Hardest part was finding a suitable case for it so it lived "naked" for years. BMR have created a nice simple solution for us with "off the shelf" parts. Great work guys.

Many thanks

Thanks for getting us started

Thanks, glad you enjoyed them.

Thanks for your support

Thats great thanks, and about a third of the cost!

@Evading Grid i have a couple of those controllers and the noise it makes the engine have is awful..their old controller the R 965 still works better.

Oddly as you say the older controllers are much better

Thanks John

Happy to help

Excellent, wonderful skills from a seven year old

Hi mate just wanted to how much the controller cost in Aussie dollars, have no idea what I need so any help would be great ,just pulled out my n scale tracks after 18 years and like 2 of these thks 👍

Send us an email to BMRNewsletter@gmail.com and we will endeavour to help

That's great, just wired in a double controller on my loft layout

Thanks a lot for your support, glad you enjoy it

Great idea hiding the controller in a goods shed

Thanks

They are good controllers glad we could help

@@BudgetModelRailways honestly given as even second hand Hornby ones can be 15/20 + and I already have a suitable 12v DC adaptor it's basically just the PWM and I can easily fabricate a suitable box. Now my question will be is there something similar to be done to power point motors and other accessories? 😉

We produce the box if that helps. In theory point motors should be possible etc. The Hornby one is way over priced given that they are not very good

@@BudgetModelRailways oh I saw your box yes which is great btw but I'm thinking something with a wooden front and maybe a BR logo... Something bespoke made to fit my own hand lol 😉

The guagemaster ones are excellent and well worth £25 each, that's a good price for them

Indeed, that's why I bought 2. The guy had 4 available on one of the Facebook model railway trading groups, but I could only afford the 2. I would have had the 4 had I the funds available :)

We have found they are pretty good especially at the price

Great news thanks

Many thanks

Thanks Robert so glad we could help, and for your kind comments. We have powered our whole lower loft layout with one controller and two wires. Give it a couple more weeks and we will be ready to take orders.

Thanks, he is a good lad

We've sold 17 today alone! Mind you it will take us a while to make them all as they are a five hour print each!

Thanks for the ideas

Try ebay?

Glad you are pleased with it, the 28days is to cover us at busy times just in case. Happy Christmas

Would be great if you could leave us a review: www.budgetmodelrailways.co.uk/reviews.html

We have such a back log of orders for boxes we have had to take them off the site for a while. If you email us BMRNewsletter@gmail.com we can see what we can do. Just search PWM controller on eBay and they will come up

Thanks

I'm unsure which electronics I should use. Is 1203BB correct? Adam Clark

It might be a faulty unit or maybe check the wiring again?

Thanks, you would need two.power supplies, or we make a double controller which uses a different adapter

Thanks, please be aware it might take us a couple of weeks or so to get them out to you as we have a back log of orders, thanks.

All good!

We do make a double controller box with one power adapter if that helps

The listing on eBay has a drop down box allowing you to choose different plug types like US and EU

We have used several battery systems and were also pretty surprised that they worked perfectly, we are even contemplating using battery power the next time we exhibit

Orders take about 28 days to despatch

Thanks for the comment, and sorry you have had such a bad start to the hobby. I'm guessing if it's Fleischmann you bought then maybe you are not in the UK? I've found eBay pretty good in the uk, and we have a couple of excellent second hand shops. We have done videos on buying second hand track and locos which might help. If you bought the set from a shop I would take it back and get your money back? The best advice when buying second hand is to buy something basic and cheap and work from there, we bought a basic Hornby DC set which got us started. I believe Piko make a basic starter range for instances? When buying second hand be patient and shop around the bargains are out there.

@@BudgetModelRailways Thank you for your quick reply :D .. i already went to a 2. hand shop and i bought an old KLEINBAHN Controller (its an old austrian brand, in Austria you can mostly get stuff that is build here or in Germany .. they all very old fashioned) i paid 25 € for it and 20€ for a nice steam loco (which is a bargain around here) and 2€ per wagon ^^.. so iam pretty pleased with that .. but i cant get my money back on the set i bought earlier, because in Austria they usually not giving u ur money back .. they give u a credit cupon with the money u paid on it so you can buy other stuff in their shop.. i hate such a practice.. iam a trained salesman and i think a customer should get his money back . but thats how they roll in austria .. maybe i exchange it for a working one and sell it on ebay.. or sell just this one along with the invoice so the buyer can exchange it .. or maybe the buyer already has another controller.. lets see.. anyway, i start building my shunting layout today.. befor i found ur cahnnel i didn't even know what shunting is XD .. here the model railroaders build just massive expensive layouts and everything else is Kiddie stuff for them .. XD .. they didn't even understand me as i told them about shunting and switching, why i would build a layout just end 2 end and no run around .. but thats a story for another day .. hope to stay in touch with you .. all the best for 2019 .. Alex

Oh happy day.. I finaly convinced the shopowner to give me my money back.. It took quite a while though but it came trough.. Adter that i went to the 2. Hand store nearby and bought some nice track and wagons for 40€ in total xD.. 1€ per point and trackpiece.. But locos are redicolous expensive even 2. Hand.. Sometime i find a decent ru ning loco for 20€ but often they are priced around 70-150€.. I envy u in the uk for your prices.. Cant find a nice dieselloco for shunting :( but i keep on searching :).. Wanted to let u know that everything is in order now ^^

@@c.bmalhotra1530 always good to here from the railway modellers in india

@@BudgetModelRailways I use 15 volts DC - 2 amps power adaptor to run older model trains like Hornby Doublo products.

Thats great thanks

maybe the under extrusion or whatever it is making the layers separate on his controller box?

We have shipped quite a few to Australia, sent one only yesterday. We have no plans to sell as complete units, it's easier and cheaper for people to get the items direct.

The laws on electronics at the moment restrict the sales of electronic components unless you are a registered electronics trader and have all your products tested before they can be sold.

Check online, as I reckon there will probably be an online course, which should be cheap enough. I know there is one for the Portable Appliance Test (PAT). Most people are scared by the whole PAT thing when, in fact, in my TV studio, legally, we only had 2 pieces of equipment that needed PAT certification... and they were in the kitchen. Basically, other than double insulated items, most items only need a visual check. PAT providers will tell you they need to check everything with a plug and, at around £1.50, they are on a nice little earner. PAT for me would have cost £hundreds had I not checked with HSE first! Then we did our own DVD based course for £30! Might all be worth looking into, time allowing.

Thanks for the info

A pleasure

The old Triang locos do need some power agreed. I've not tested the few I have however the Hornby 125 which would only pull two coaches before will pull four with this controller so it's possible? All the info is in the video with links or have a hunt on eBay . Basically you need a PWM 12v controller and a suitable adapter plus our box, or make your own?

Hi, The boxes can in theory be glued together to make a run of them. We are experimenting now with making double controller housings and maybe even triple.

From what I can gather (I'm no electronics expert) this PWM controller operates in a similar way to how the Westinghouse Chopper controllers work on some of the more modern Blackpool trams (Centenary and Jubilee cars) which deliver full DC voltage to the traction motors but turn it on and off so quickly that it effectively limits the perceived voltage the motors are getting. This controller should also work off batteries for exhibition use as the input is DC. As has already been said though, something between the controller and say a car battery would be needed to bring the voltage down a bit. I wouldn't trust those wall-wart transformers either as they often don't give an exact 12V. A bit less would be OK, but more could be bad news for motors. Great idea though!

Chopper control was fitted to the 455s some years back as well, you are quite right its the same principle. Really it needs to be done with care to avoid motor damage. I hope BMR will do a test with a lower voltage and let us know how this performs

Hi George. We have taken them off the website for the moment because we are too busy with our OO Gauge range. Email us BMRNewsletter@gmail.com and we can send you an invoice via paypal

I have used it on a small N Gauge DC layout with no issues

Drop us an email to BMRNewsletter@gmail.com and we will add you to the waiting list. Sorry for the delay, it's only a hobby and we can only print a few a week, they take 7 hours, and we have over 30 on the waiting list

Good idea

Or a cable tie/zip tie around both wires.

Thanks Frank

I've used mine with kato unitrack and as you say it's great

No2 done the gap for the washer is very slim so will be a little fiddly. Again not BMR product issue. Have realised my plans only have three tiny flaws, having a second hand layout, some second hand locos and diy power supplies that’s three things that might not work and I have to find out which one it is!

Our first exhibition layout started with a second hand layout, 99% of our track, locos and rolling stock is second hand and we have sold nearly 500 controllers with no problems so you should be fine. Have fun

@@BudgetModelRailways fact sheets

I would be surprised if the Hornby is pwm, they are awful, equally I don't any controller damages motors that would be unlikely. We have extensively used these with no issues

Thanks, I've used mine on N guage with no issues at all if that helps

@@BudgetModelRailways that's great I will get making .

There is no need for short protection, this is a DCC issue, we have tried shorting and have been unable to short the controller in any way. In any case a short only stops the loco and again loco damage to shorting is a DCC issue. Not sure how a controller could damage a loco motor? I have run Hornby 0-4-0 extensively, as I have all my locos with no issues at all. Hope this helps. We have sold over 1k with no negative feedback

@@BudgetModelRailways Tks so much for your encouraging response. I gather that PWM-based controller systems have been discussed and debated a lot on forums (mostly a few years ago) which is why I checked on current thinking. The critics (mostly electrical guru types) said then that PWM voltage spikes would cause motors run much hotter with possible damage. Thanks for reassuring me. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK ! VERY HELPFUL.

...also I think I read that most if not all DCC loco modules utilise the PWM technology as well ...which suggests all is OK :)

@@madeinyorkshire52 happy to help

Anyone considering building /buying one of these using the excellent BMR box might like to first watch my video (recorded 30 Jan 2022) with a few pointers and tips. Link is: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jNyoYLZh0t7caIk.html

Not sure as we don't supply the electronic components. I do know that we have not had any issues, we have tried everything to short or blow them with no success, and have used them extensively. I've never seen fuses on the output of any controller's so that's a new one to me

@@BudgetModelRailways normally there is inbuilt circuit protection and maybe an electronic fuse. At this price point with such a rudimentary PWM circuit I wouldn't assume it has either, so me personally would just play safe. An inline fuse holder only costs around £1 on AliExpress and the glass fuse even less. Small price against £150 loco's going pop. Just my two cents. Great work all the same 👍

We have tried everything we can to short the output with no success, so shirts should not be a problem. In any case shorts blowing controllers and locos is a DCC issue not DC. A shorted loco on DC just stops moving.

@@BudgetModelRailways Thanks so much - you guys are the best! I absolutely love watching your videos; keep up the great work both of you.

@@madeinyorkshire52 thanks, anything we can do to help just ask

We have tested it rigourously and it doesn't need it.

@@BudgetModelRailways Perfect, thank you! I figured you would have

Not sure about Triang but it works great on older Hornby. Our 125 which would only pull itself and one coach now pulses three coaches!

To be honest it's just as easy to just use two mounted next to each other.

If you did your homework you would find that it provides 3A 80W.

@@daveday5507 Aye what ever man. I ain't biting the bait.

@@BritishRail60062 Even a thirsty 'O' gauge loce won't draw 3A.

@@daveday5507 I will take your word for it mate because I am not tech savvy on this kind of thing. I just run model trains and enjoy them but some of the train set controllers sadly do not bode well with my more power hungry models and often trip out. Luckily though my Kato controller can just about handle anything I use on the track which is grand in my opinion. All the best Ash.

Controllers seem to vary so much, it's a headache