I'm glad Mike Pollock stuck around, but he's really been waisting his talents as of late. Not even his voice can save the terrible writing. Hopefully in the future, Mike final gets the material to sound like a great Eggman again

Same

Samic 23569 Exactly. I think if he had a darker character plot like in SA2 he would still be able to perform great

Probably Because Both Of His VAs Actually Gave A Shit About Their Role & Aren't Bounded By The Horrible Voice Direction The Franchise Is Known For

@@BardockSkywalker Deem Bristow is a better Eggman imo, he sounds so intimidating.

I agree as long as the comedy is actually good

Honestly, him being a "pushover" worked in Boom since that was a comedic spin off. But yeah I agree.

@Abrilla 2 M I would like it if they introduced an alternate universe version of a roboticized SATAM Robotnik who is incredibly more evil itteration of regular Eggman, has the SATAM design and voice and is the same level of threat that Mephiles and Chaos were. They have Doctor Eggman Nega so alternate dimension versions of Eggman aren't off the table

I think boom worked because, at least in the TV show, there was rarely any serious episodes. The real problem is writers wanting both cakes. Yes, Eggman can be funny, but if he's comedic relief he can't be take seriously. (Should be mentioned though, Eggman also won't work as an entirely serious threat. As a more "relatable" villain, he can't be down to earth if he's a ruthless murderer)

What's is the fact that I think the 3d games had it pretty decently early on colors and unleashed was a near perfection but then after that either too comic relief or an awkward serious

Honestly the only thing I didnt like about him in forces is the fact that we didnt get a single Eggman land level which should have been the one stage that returned. (Especially with how fast we know he can work)

@《MH MB1》 PuffyBuffy25 They didn't include one since Forces was trying too hard to push some "war is hell" post-apocalypse to the point where Eggman didn't get to show he remade Whatever The The Planet Is Called in his image. Even the Game Gear Sonics did better on this (Mecha Green Hill Zone). Forces was just a bad idea to begin with. An attempt to force Western interpretations of Sonic through the lens of Canon Sonic. Hence shoving Knuckles and Co. in The Resistance (an obvious attempt to shoehorn a Freedom Fighters analogue even though it doesn't fit any of the core characters).

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I think Eggman was written well in Lost World. He took over the Zeti and had something that could suck the life out of the world below him. He even had a mech (which was the Colors final boss) that used that energy. He also threated to destroy everything the Zeti knew and loved and wanted to make them suffer. Again, in my opinion, Lost World has the best story of the modern Sonic games.

@@luigines6457 I think it would be good if it actually had a narrative that flowed well.

Not only that, but according to the comics he also had Metal Sonic, in his updated version from heroes but now completely under his control, as another backup plan, but the war ended before it was ready.

He was far less relevant to the plot than Mephiles. Which is a problem since Mephiles doesn't really have a personality beyond "is evil."

@@galten7361 i mean that was kinda the point. It wasnt necessarily bad writing like with Infinite(missed potential) as Mephiles is literally darkness so of course most of his personality is "being evil"

Galten actually mephiles was manipulative villain and a great enemy to shadow.

@@galten7361 While Mephiles' goals are cartoonish blind evil, his personality is a realistic kind of evil, you can meet someone like Mephiles in the real world. He's a manipulative sadistic S.O.B who preys on insecruities and uses urgency fallacies to get emotions to override reason in order to achieve said cartoonish goals. If you switched Mephiles and a random sociopath you would not see much a difference in behavior.

@@D461Sage if only infinite had a better writing or at least they would know who is Infinite in paper A childish mercenary angry for losing for first time in he’s life but not choosing a good personality for that kind of character and didn’t gave him a good motivation or at least tried to make him a tridimensional character making him feel bad about the dead of he’s original team at hands of eggman because he betrayed them but tried to create another Mephiles when the character they ended creating didn’t fit with the sociopathic and manipulative personality of Mephiles Basically they could created a good character but they didn’t knew the kind of character they were creating and then using

No lie, I kinda had an "oh shit" moment when his cruiser powered up with the quill letting him move at the same speed as Sonic.

You mean that overrated trash actor who’s now only relevant because he was put into the shitty sonic movie? He did terrible as “Eggman”, there was nothing funny about him that made me laugh, in fact he made me cringe as much as when sonic farted and flossed.

Caleb Montes jimmy carrey? irrelevant? im guessing you don't live in the U.S.

Caleb Montes why is it always the calebs who are so angry

Absolutely ! Can't wait to see what he has in store for the sequel.

No it’s not. It’s the way it’s portrayed when he does it. In 06 he’s pretty intimidating when he enters the scene at the beginning. Because he has a harsh military vibe to him. He is in control. And all he did was crash a party. But in Forces on the other hand, he was going to drop a SUN on the world and the resistance. That was some Marada crap from Naruto Shippuden. lol BUT it wasn’t portrayed as intensely.

And also the fact that he drove elise to commit suicide at one point in sonic 06

He's the same as always. You only complain about it now since technology has advanced enough that they can show enough of his intended personality and it doesn't match your headcanon of him as an edgelord.

@@Axxidous 06 and Forces were meh to bad games even when just looking at plot.

@@Ash_and_Ember00 Elise is a bad character who drags down Sonic like Chris and you even bringing her in defeats your post.

I really wish the games would bring back the idea of a three way fight like Shadow the Hedgehog FAILED to deliver. That was such a good idea that was never realized. imagine if Eggman pulls an Rashidun and takes advantage of two sides fighting eachother to take over the world and have it stick for a game or two!

His characters bios in sources like Sonic Jam's guide say that he's not ill-intentioned but he's oblivious to the hurt he's doing. Either from him being too out of touch with reality or him seeing what he's doing as helping.

Also, when you sit and think about it... Adventure 2 is all about the Eggman more than it is about Sonic or even Shadow since the story is centered around his family.

Aaaand done.

Yeah, this meme is getting so sickening, just as much as when any something says ORA ORA or YARE YARE DAZE, people get "Is ThAt a jOjO rEfErEncE", seriously it's pretty stupid with some time.

@@sanglish18 and don't forget the "man behind the slaughter" meme. Is getting really sickening as well.

@@Borger3941 Dude that meme is dead wdym

*AHEM*

Eggman in 2001 - (laughs) citizens of earth, lend me your ears and listen to me very carefully! My name is Dr. Eggman, the world’s greatest scientist, and soon to be the world’s greatest ruler! Now, witness the beginning of the greatest empire of all time! Not-my-eggman in 2020 - oH gIvE Me A biG fAt BreAk!!!!!!!!!

Another giveaway at his bait. Sonic, hero of "Earth?", savior of too many races to count and pacifist at heart, being cocky about giving Eggman the key to global domination. A tad obvious.

Bowser is a lot more consistent as a character though. Just like the franchise he orginates from...

@@thesnatcher3616 As I said--a year ago, btw--he's great *when he's written well.*

@@thesnatcher3616 because he has no writing most of the time. The rpg games are the best of mario

@@thesnatcher3616 Bowser has writing?

@@broken75.20 Paper Mario and Mario and Luigi.

3 instances: -The game intro. -Eggmanland introduction. -Egg Dragoon boss fight. The best instances of Eggman in Unleashed where he absolutely steals the spotlight.

I like Eggman's depiction in unleash, and strangely he is consistent. He can be goofy one minute and menacing the next without skipping a beat, and he often is both at once.

He was goofy as he was in the Genesis games and the OVA aka how he's intended to be.

I personally love the set of of threatening to goofy. Even the movie does this

Yeah but at least he earned the comedic moments in the game. Sonic lost. And Eggman doesn't get victory often.

Eggman's only problems came from the Adventure Era games and Unleashed where the devs seemed like they were embarrassed to have Canon Eggman be the franchise's iconic villain so they kept having him be upstaged or play second fiddle to other villains (who as a rule were more bland than Eggman).. They walked back on that finally at Generations.

Edge lord why do I even try any more

@@galten7361 Positioning in game doesn't matter if the character is a joke. Eggman and most Sonic characters are characters first and their positon/role second.

@Stealth Not really compared to how he was in the overall Adventure Era. He's actually shown standing his ground against other villains and is rather effective in Forces (even if he did lack his flair).

@Blue Gunner Canon Eggman isn't supposed to be Hitler or the edgier versions of the Joker (he actually has some dimensions, admirable qualities). Regardless, he is the iconic villain so he should dominate or at least be able to hold his own against other villains without having to team up with Sonic. Something that just about never happened in the Adventure Era while post-Colors Eggman kept Infinite under control and dueled Sonic while dueling Heavy King.

Cringe

Dedede hasn’t been a real antagonist in years His fights mostly have him possessed by the actual villain

@@Yundemz exactly

@@Yundemz Villain and antagonist are not mutually exclusive. Dedede is an antagonist, but he was only a villain in the first game.

@@the757general2 ah alright then Didn’t know

Scary: ✅ Broody: ❎

@@jamiegioca9448 Sonic vs. Eggman (Spiny Spikehair vs. Baldy Nosehair mixed with Ogilvie vs. Robotnik).

true dat

@@donathan2933 Hey! That's my line! (Read this in Tails voice)

@@jamiegioca9448 lmao Tails shouldn't talk he didn't shit the entire game

Really good point.

> Fortunately > Forces No, they didn't....

Along with him splitting the world into pieces in Sonic Unleashed.

Will do.

@@charactersin-depth3472 sic

I couldn't agree more

@@charactersin-depth3472 Although I like the current potrail of Eggman, you did a good job and I understand if you're not fond of how he is in the current games. Have you played Tales of Symphonia and Symphonia Dawn of the New World? I would like to make another suggestion or request if it's okay?

@@93SuperSonic I'd have to play those.

I'm fairly sure that the casino chips were required to gain entry to Rail Canyon in some way. (And perhaps the rings were for some entrance fee or to divert suspicion as to why they are collecting V.I.P. chips.)

I think Eggman was stalling because he was afraid of the Chaotix finding him

How was he EVER in-character in shadow or next gen? ESP Shadow! That shit game did SO LITTTLE With him.

A horrible Idea

@@BlueJack222 no

That'd be rather interesting

We meet again and you still don't know how to spell

Eguy Igbin are you really gonna start this shit again?

Eguy Igbin so what are doing here in the first place?

Eguy Igbin lmao image still holding a grudge against me because you lost the argument

Adventure Eggman: Who are you? Colors Eggman: I am you, but "funnier"

Comparing him to Aku and Mojo Jojo is fine. Both have hilarious moments, but also commit really heinous acts and can be really dangerous when pushed their buttons. But Power Rangers villains ? Bleargh

@@DanieleMulas-up7np Some Power Rangers fans told me.😅

Power rangers have plenty of villains who can be dark and funny. Lord Zed. Dark funny but can be pretty humorous sometimes.

@@DanieleMulas-up7np Venjix. Who is literally Ultron if he were successful.

They were on point

Yeah, but he's not really active in that story nor does everyone treat him like the threat he is, despite causing the damage he does.

Everyone...

It helps that Deem Bristow was his VA

I like archie and SatAM eg... robotnik,and they are praticaly adventure eggman before adventure eggman so...

My favourite is the eggman in sonic movie he just so good

Thing is, the metal virus saga is such a fucking boring and pretentious tryhard to be edgy slopfest. I get it they're trying to give Eggman some respect again, but keeping Orbot and Cubot around, and getting upstaged by the gay Platypus fursona of Snively......isn't the best course of action. Doesn't help how paperthin and downright BORING the IDW trash is.

@Daniele Mulas we knew that idw taking control of sonic was going to be trash to begin with.

It cannot be that bad?

I like that they partnered up again in Advance 3

Plots where the heroes and villains have to work together can be great!...when done properly (glances at Lost World). SA2's final twist worked so well because it fit right in the narrative that was building since the beginning and managed to show a different kind of villainy *without* undermining Eggman's.

They worked together in Lost World

frontiers here

There already is a robot like that. Its Metal Sonic

Hwan Niggles Yes, but it’s not enough... I mean Eggman can’t always relying on the same machines to beat the same enemy, look at the Death Egg Robot, first we thought it was impressive, since Sonic doesn’t have any rings, ( I don’t tell you how it was a pain in the butt, when I saw it in Sonic 4), but later on, it became overrated if you tell me. Or the Egg Dragoon, I mean that beast as cool design, but I feel it could be too used. The Egg Dragoon has such effective tools, like a giant Gatling gun that could shoot fireballs who can transform into six pipe like cannons who can shoots rays of fire, an arm that could create a wave of electricity in one swing and shoot infinite giant drills on the ground, feet’s that could shoot ice or making freezing wave and the ability that could separate himself so an A.I could take over a part of the mech, so the mech can do on his own. If he wanted, Eggman could even equipped him with rocket launchers and grappling hook like we saw in the intro of Unleashed. We even had the Egg Storm or the Robot Carnival, robots who are a pain in the ass! They have a good resistance and a longer endurance, why Eggman can’t make his army troops like that? Sonic could last for 30 minutes?

Not bad, kid

@@jamiegioca9448 thanks

06 Eggman was bland and played second fiddle to Mephiles.

That’s why I said the demeanor not his whole character

Personally, I think we need the beginning of Unleashed Eggman. It's perfect.

@Makoto Yuki And...that's what made him bland. Canon Eggman is hyper and animated. Hence him juggling the Chaos Emeralds, having a big grin when not losing or getting a beating, he's laughing it up and having fun, not being an edgelord or some Saturday Morning Cartoon dictator dude (also called Julian).

@@galten7361 The fuck you mean "Canon Eggman" ? So, you're gonna pretend he's just a goofball ? It's not like he burnt Angel Island to the ground, warped the future of Little Planet in order to rule it, unleashed a water monstruosity, blew half of the Moon as a demonstration of power, shattered Earth to pieces to awake an Eldritch monstruosity.....He's not Doofershmirtz, for crying out loud.

I smiled in the theater when Sonic called him Eggman.

I agree, he ain't threatening or cunning he's just annoying, goofy and I honestly want Eggman post 2010 to die off

Do Nathan it sucks because Sonic Unleashed was SO. CLOSE but didn’t follow through with it, and Forces was just dumb

@@Water90435 can’t have opinions anymore apparently

@@Hutch2Much he wasn't BAD in forces

Galten how did you comment this 6 hour ago when it was posted 2 hour ago

Idk in 06 he wasn’t the worst. The story was still presented in an amazing way and the eggman boss fights were decent but he just wasn’t the main villain. Of course he wouldn’t be. Shadow and Silver need different villains. Eggman isn’t even that threatening in general.

Sonic X portrays Eggman in an amazing way tho

@Ominous The plot was poorly written (Elise being a flat character who's only a cut above Chris, Silver and Blaze trusting someone who looks like Mephies does etc.). And no they don't really "need" different villains if they're on the same world and time as Sonic.

> Eggman is already a credible villain > Colors, Generations, Lost World and Forces No, he's a fucking pathetic joke. Incompetent, has two of the most useless lackeys in history, has cut budget on his Badnik army, his plans (especially those in Colors and Lost World) make no damn sense, Sonic treats him so much like a punching bag, one would start to believe HE is the villain.

Caleb Montes calm down

Cream, Elise and Chip were in a lightning round video

I would love to see a video on mephiles the dark and how he is the best sonic villain.

Haha. Yeah, it's been a wild couple of months. Thanks.

true. Plus theres one issue where Eggman loses his mind and goes insane yelling in unintelligible gibberish and his goggles come off so you can see his demonic eyes. His eyes look like Majin Buu

@Jamnik58 lemme remember it was Archie Sonic issue 200

Wow! So you prefer Dora-style/Loud House-style Eggman? Okay, but I prefer TMNT/Astro Boy/Gatchaman-style Eggman (Realistic Doc EggRobo [Dr. Eggman Robotnik])…

@@mr.vorrnyvorrn2516 what is this comment supposed to mean?

@@silversonome5360 You like the Paramount Eggman, but I like Sonic 06 Eggman.

@@mr.vorrnyvorrn2516 Okay? And... What is the random assortment of series that you listed supposed to imply? I'm going off a limb and assuming that you're trying to discredit my appreciation of the characterization given to the movie's Eggman with childish programs, but from what I know, Dora and Loud House have nothing in common...? Unless you're just trying to be insulting, I don't see any major criticism here. Paramount Eggman is given a backstory that establishes him as a character outside of his relationship to Sonic. He's an insecure man who was driven into an inferiority complex, so now he feels the need to diminish others around him using his intellect and mechanical prowess, something clearly evident by his treatment of other military personnel and Tom Wachowski. When he's confronted with someone that he cannot make feel inferior with his intelligence, he panics and begins to break, peeling away at the layers of confidence and boastfulness to reveal an increasingly insane man who only desires to feel superior, to squash others under his foot for his petty desires. That's what I appreciate of him, it's a credible villain because not only are his motivations reasonable and understandable, they are also deeply realistic, to the point that you'll find many people around you who feel the very same way as this portrayal of Eggman. Now that I've clarified my image of Paramount's depiction of Eggman, would you please do the same with what you describe as "2006 Eggman"? Because even though you try to bring your point up with the association with what I assume are mature, complex series with nuanced antagonists, I can't see the connection with the Eggman shown in Sonic '06, as in that game his scheme follows a fairly standard progression of "kidnap girl, get Chaos Emeralds" with no major motivation shown or implied to exist for him. He's not planning to erase Sonic from reality because he's become convinced that it's the only way to make sure he never interferes with his plans - that's Mephiles' thing. He doesn't have much nuance or development to his actions, except near the end of the game where he directs all of Sonic's friends to the Chaos Emeralds, but at that point it's just a choice of self-preservation, if he doesn't do it he fucking dies. Therefore, I can't see Sonic '06 Eggman as a complex or nuanced character, but I'd like to see your perspective on him to see if it can be somewhat redeemed in my eyes.

@@silversonome5360 I'm not trying to insult you or anything. It's just that I prefer Sonic 06 *Imagi Studios* Eggman over EggCarrey, Rudolph nose, Baldy Nosehair, and the others. And no, I don't care if 06 has plotholes or if Astro Boy flopped at the fucking box office! Besides, Nickelodeon is the real reason *Imagi Studios* went defunct, because they got the rights to the TMNT, ergo cancelling the TMNT Kevin Munroe trilogy. I don't care if you like Eggman talking like some generic bully, but acting like President Dufus Fucking Stone, an unlikable, but genuinely intimidating villain. It's your opinion, not mine.

Eggman's certainly no stranger to killing, sooo....

Ruined to some extent. His biggest beef has been with Sonic, so him attempting to kill off Sonic in SA2 was perfect and true to how his character would deal with it.

@Bender Bending Rodriguez Only one way to test that theory. Sega actually does that.

@Bender Bending Rodriguez I definitely understand your point. I guess you don't like Sonamy. I guess you preferred Sonally.

@@Vice_Verse0 You really wouldn't think he would kill one of Sonic's close friends just to spite him? There's a reason why heroes hide their identity.

How did he make fantastic points! He just recaps Eggman, then shows Eggman being goofy without even explaining why it's bad

@@eguyigbin6987 There's nothing wrong with Eggman being a little goofy, it's when that goofiness becomes his entire personality (like in Sonic Boom) that it becomes a problem. He still needs to be a legitimate threat to our heroes, so it actually means something when they defeat him. If he isn't then how are we, the audience, supposed to be invested in what's going on? What's honestly the better option? To have well thought out, even relatable characters with depth and emotion behind them, or a bunch of clowns with no personality outside of "HERPY DERP, AIN'T WE SILLY, KIDS?"

Even if that is the case it feels like he's still missing a lot of what made him great in the past.

That was a good fight. The pre boss cutscene didn't make him look clownish.

And Paper Mario 1, where he actually was able to beat Mario for once.

@@ablosch2452 and in dream team he was able to steps ahead of the bros

And it sucks for him he really need to retire

I was referring to Dedede in his early days when he was the bad guy for Kirby. Hmm, a video on Kirby characters? Maybe I'll look into it some day.

I agree, the bit where he makes the Dark Gaia beacon is underrated. It shows that while his ego won't admit it was his fault, he will work to remedy problematic situations instead of just letting them be. And while the boss fight is easy, he's definitely threatening during the Egg Dragoon showdown.