LOL! Guilty...

@@vbenthusiast I was worse though, I made BALANCED bullshit. Stuff that could be beaten but it had *really* powerful attacks.

Invincibility armour breaking missiles only exist to break invisibility armour, let's not crap on those with enough inginuity to beat the simp who brought the "invincibility armour"

Also people "marking" buildings to spawn genestealers there by surprise just by putting dirt on them to camouflage it with the rest of dust on the table.

I feel like this also applies to the Warhammer 40K writers.

I disagree, when you and your opponent are both playing to win and it comes down to the wire who's going to win, those games are exhilarating

@@Kahulai1 yeah very true, I played a mate in a tourno the other day and he just said he was there for fun but I tabled him turn 2 hahaha, that's no fun. Its only fun if both are playing competitive or both for fun

@@solinvictus2094 Yeah, I think the sacrificing of fun happens when the two players have different wants from the game session. There are several games I only really like to play against skilled opponents, because I want that test of skill. There are others that are all about fun, or exploration, or just hanging out with friends; some of the same friends I'd never want to play a serious scenario of Silent Death with because they just don't Grok.

i like this. Can i steal it? T-shirt maybe?

@@solinvictus2094 I think he meant non competitive games I love playing competitive games aswell I find them more fun too!

PmC I’m glad I’m not the only one

Same goes for me. I probably spend more time painting them than I do playing them, lol.

This

For me, the best times happen when something outlandish happens, or when utter carnage ensues. I loved it when a Tau commander single-handedly held up 2 wraithlords in close combat for 4 turns. I loved it when an Eversor Assassin rampaged through a Devastator squad. I liked it when (3rd edition) a single Necron warrior pop-shotted a Land Raider with a single shot on turn 1. Sometimes this comes off as an ass-hat attitude when I'm happy about my unit surviving and screwing up my opponent's game plan.

I only paint. Playing is for nerds.

That’s a really good point, and well-said. Maybe even a good idea for a video. Thanks for watching!

This doesn't make since to me, you really only find out if a person is competitive. This doesn't determine what kind of person this person is. I mean when you go to work people act differently then they do not at work or with friends. It's really just a bad way of looking at life if you are judging a person on an one hour game and not based on how they act outside the game seems silly.

You can absolutely learn a lot about a person “as a gamer” in an hour of casual play

@@TwilightxKnight13 Yeah, as a gamer you are pretty correct, though if they are having a bad day would be an exception, but he didn't put that qualifier.

I think it’s a good idea to add “generally speaking” before someone’s comment rather than “without exception”

That’s why he’s referred to as “The Immortal Bard.” Thanks for watching!

Yes, Immortal Bard! RIP!!

\m/ Best comment I've read today.

Great analogy 👍

Dancing with the devil, playing on the high road, going with the flow, it’s all a game to me

Mom was banged: confirmed

@@snailvomit3477 probably cos that's how yer mum roles. Not all are boorish bints 😉

That's awesome man. People like you are the ones that grow the community.

Yeah, because... Empathy 😁

We were talking about this at our last session, some of my brothers friend's said they changed dice if they were having crap rolls haha. It's the luck of the draw really, like in any military engagement, you can plan, strategise, employ tactics. Nothing can change the random haphazard fate of reality. You can't change who your men are or how the universe manifests. Just have fun.

That guy detected

You detected Conan tho

Conan: hey anyone wanna play? l4g any rules, chaos, eldar, necron... - 0 replies

Conan said that when he was still a brainwashed slave who had no friends or life though.

Bold of you to assume tabletop gamers have women

Baaahahaha the Usurper should be an astrological sign

Also is your name a 2001 space odyssey reference ?

Toxic af

For my family it was Monopoly. My dad had no remorse. He destroyed everyone.

My dad was also relentless at chess. I played him for years and would always get obliterated. As a child to be beaten so badly it even put me in tears. However, as I aged, and improved and still lost I wasn't sad or afraid of losing. I also would always decline playing a second game. The first time I won my father was furious, he demanded a rematch, I declined which made him even angrier. We played less and less, here and there, I was a teenager. Eventually my mother and father divorced, so no more games. I still see him from time to time. One year for Christmas I brought him a very nice chess set. We played a game, I obliterated him in 12 moves. I was actually concerned as to how badly he played. He asked for a rematch and for the first time ever I broke my no rematch rule. I crushed him in the second game as well. We retired after that, I haven't played him in a few years now.

What is included in this "How to be a good opponent guide" ?

@@danpoole9016 quite a bit! But it's a manifesto to think over rather than a set of rules to remember. Plus it's aimed at the students I teach. Here: goo.gl/3KxZ22

@@simonburn9063 Ok thank you. Its just that so people at my club are not the best of losers, or winners for that matter.

Do you teach your students how to play warhammer ?

@@danpoole9016 we do! Although the older students also play with and teach the new ones. And to be honest, the new game is so elegant it almost teaches itself. We do 40K and Kill Team, and also have a cupboard full of board games. We get about 30 students a week and it's great fun. I'm not sure what I'd suggest to help you with your club - I assume it's a club of adults? For me it's quite straightforward to ensure my players act appropriately, 'cause I'm in charge and if they don't listen they're in trouble! As a couple of possible courses of action: 1. If there's someone ostensibly leading your club, maybe have a conversation with them about how to encourage higher standards in the group. We have a formal house rules document, which I'm sure would be as appropriate with adults as with children. Here's ours in case that's useful as a reference: goo.gl/NUej68 2. If option one isn't possible, maybe try getting more active in sharing content with other people in the club. As simple as saying, 'Hey, have you watched this guy Uncle Atom on KZfaq?' could potentially lead some people to any number of his very thoughtful videos on how to be a good hobbyist and gamer. Going further than this might be setting up a blog or Facebook group or something for the club - put out fun content that just gives the whole thing a more positive vibe, and throw into it some of this sort of material on gamesmanship. That's some very rough thoughts, 'cause obviously I don't know your situation at all. I also realise you weren't actually asking for advice... but if any of that proves to be useful, then great!

Yay orks ftw!

Russ Murphy lol 😝

Curse you That guy!

You mean: Those (5) guys..

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hahaha I was trying to figure out who the heck would down vote such a video!

If I am far more experienced than a new player in ANY game I often set handicaps to (a) simplify the number of special rules the newer player needs to keep track of, and/or (b) hopefully keep the game challenging for both parties. (ie using power levels and mining my force while maxing theirs, giving an extra free unit, not deep striking an alpha strike unit, playing less elite forces and using more grunts). At that point we can both just do our best and both feel challenged. As the game goes on and the player gets comfortable we can bring the rules back in. I often let them know the moves I would normally do so they understand what to expect in future matches, then give THEM the option to experience that now (which may end the game very fast), or take more time to get comfortable with the core mechanics (ie: "normally I would deepstrike x unit and wipe y unit off the map because of X's abilities, but I will just set them up from table edge reserves unless your comfortable taking them on"). I find it lets them choose the learning curve rather than me forcing one on them which they often appreciate, and it forces me to play a bit differently which is fun in it's own way. I have converted a LOT of non board/table-top gamers this way.

Indeed, that was a mistake on my part. Thanks for watching!

I tend to sing iron maiden....

Yeah its a game like. I always am prepared to lose thats how you learn isn't it?

My brother and I call that the Doomsday Roll lol

I've been known to fist pump on a 6 from time to time...

That’s a super-good idea. Thanks for watching!

I don't know you... But I like you.

Ahh that old thing. Then da jump 40 boyz in their face and crush them! Muwahahahahaha... what?

Oh yeah, fielding an extremely killable army is a great idea. Doubly cool if you can press in on them so they feel that they have come back from the brink of doom.

I would enjoy playing you.

#MeToo

Really great point!! Someone needed to say this. Let's say you were just being 'that other guy', which I've definitely been. Thanks so much!

Good on you for seeing that. I've seen that a lot from "casuals" which is in no way meant derogatory here. Thinking they don't care about winning but the moment things go south they get really shitty and then wonder why you just clean play your game to the end asap. A whole lot of the people who claim they don't care about winning, care a whole lot about losing.

Zero Yeah, I think it’s safe to say NO ONE likes to lose. I guess you’ll get some who like to role play a Saturday morning bumbling cartoon villain but in general you sit down to play a game there’s a greater or lesser portion of you that wants to win, and you have to learn to manage that before you automatically assume your opponent is that guy. A player could have had a bad day; perhaps, as you rightly point out, they are not quite as ok with losing as they think they are (I’ve been this!); you could just be suffering a bad match up (a hobby hero or casual type such as me vs someone just trying to keep their tournament game sharp. Don’t get me wrong “that guy” definitely exists and I have met him, but there’s other things that can cause a bad game to be mindful of.

true dat

Don't play against Eldar with Marines then. My friend wipes me from the table by turn 2 every game. Eldar are painful to play against.

@@uglyduckling81 That is not a friend then. If I were him, I would tell you all my rules and give you tactical advice so that there would be no surprises. People don't help other folks in games thinking that their army has hidden information that only they know. Rules are open information and friendly games should always be a tutorial.

Lue Bangs Ah its not that all the time. We are both restarting playing after a long hiatus. Eldar are just monsters compared to Ultramarines. Another friend also restarted with us and I managed to beat his Nids.

@@uglyduckling81 Both Smurfs and Bugs are very powerful armies. in the right hands.

stfu That Guy

@@gnadlaftehgary4257 if he was "That Guy" he wouldn't focus on being helpful and friendly

@@clinch4402 I think you may have misunderstood. I think they meant by not throwing a game they meant they won't intentionally make themselves lose. Losing due to some bad rolls is one thing, but intentionally doing something stupid or fudging rolls to lose is throwing the game. Which I can understand, when I started out if I found my opponent was throwing the game intentionally I'd have been a bit annoyed. Now that doesn't mean I'd expect them to bring their tier one tournament list, but I'd still want them to play well and not just give me a win for being a newbie.

I'd hate if my enemy handed me over the win just cuz I'm a starter

@KT "throwing a game" is to lose by intent. To set oneself up to lose, on purpose. Even to cheat in order to lose. Losing a game against a good opponent or due to bad die rolls, or even because of some kind of tactical or logistical mistake is something else entirely. That is merely a lost game. They happen all the time. I'm not entirely clear where the misunderstanding is. I've been tabletop gaming for 30 years and have been having a blast doing it, and I've brought quite a fair number of new players into a fair few different games. When I was starting out, I did have people throw their games against me and I wasn't particularly happy about that. I won't do that to someone else who is just starting. To discover that all of those victories were hollow was not a very good feeling at all. When I learned how to play chess, I was taught the game by a disabled veteran who was very, very good. He never once 'let me win'. I had to work for it. He helped me with the rules of the game, he even pointed my mistakes out to me as I was making them but he never once made an intentional mistake to allow me a victory. When I did win against him, it was awesome. There was a feeling of accomplishment there and I was proud of myself. If he had just let me win, that victory would not have been nearly as meaningful. I lose games all the time. I have fun winning *or* losing... but I never lose by intent.

The new player's accomplishment of the first game is learning the rules and finding a game they like. Your accomplishment is getting someone else excited enough about your game that they want to spend lots of money and become a challenge to you. Anything else is kinda missing the point of an introduction scenario. If you need something else from the game then give yourself a hard starting position. Maybe build yourself an army that is half the value of theirs and then try to win, or give your opponent perfect information about what you are thinking and what you might do on your turn, but really try to win. Create a scenario where it is nearly impossible for you to win on the board, but that you can score your performance and try to beat your previous score every time you play. No doubt you know some folks who find a boot on their neck very invigorating, but when exploring a new game system not every player wants to face off against the full fury of 20 years of experience.

@@Walsfeo rats, you caught me! Here I was stepping on necks, hurting small animals and twirling my moustache and you soundly foiled me! Curses! Did you miss the bit about tutoring? The bit about the difference between throwing a game and losing. The part about accomplishment? Oh, but you found That Guy, didn't you, with no empathy, such a MONSTER he is because he won't give people a hollow victory they never asked for and probably don't want. Here are things you didn't know... I swap armies sometimes with newbies. We deploy then swap sides. I know, just dastardly of me. My nephew learned exclusively from me. When he beat me, he was do proud of himself, and I was proud for him. Mine was his first handshake-- a Good Game handshake. Whoops, there's some left over boot marks on his neck I better brush off. I don't play tournament lists except in tournaments. I don't run net builds. Ever. I build lists with stories to them, which tend not to be competitive by nature. I'm such a scoundrel! As stated previously, I enjoy losing as much as I enjoy winning. Haha, you fell for my trap! I am in a Kill Team Campaign where it is best if I play one game a cycle, perhaps two at most. We have a LOT of new players, new to the game in general in my area thanks to Kill Team. I play them, which is hurting my chances of victory and tanking my competitiveness in my list so that they have someone to play at all other than each other! But all I'm interested in is tying them to railroad tracks... I played a guys first and second games ever. He crushed me on the rematch; bad die rolls for me, good tactics for him. We had a good laugh as my guys died horrible deaths. Now where's my giant laser beam shooter and strap down Bond Villain chair? I played another beginner and a lucky shot took out a key model of mine which was going to cinch him the win. I could have pulled out in turn three. This guy has had terrible luck his first few games and finally he was winning for real! I kept my force on the table, adjusted my tactics to compensate for the loss and was soundly trounced. He won fair and square and was a very happy guy...which made me happy. But gosh if I seem to have misplaced my moustache wax. There is no That Guy on my side if the screen for you to crusade against, friend. Just because I don't THROW (seems I need to be really, super, extra clear about that one word) a game doesn't make me That Guy. And shame on you for the boot and neck crack...

This

How do you win as DM? As player I understand, but as DM?

You crush the will of your players, usually by taking inside knowledge of the players plans. Then adjusting your encounters to just ruin their plan regardless of how well they put it together. As a good DM your encounters /dungeons etc should be a challenge based on the players level/skill. Going over the top to keep your players from winning an encounter is being that guy as a DM. Now sending them into an unwinnable fight because it pushes the narrative forward is different (as long as they can figure out to "win" means running away)

That guy in dnd is the player that always chooses themselves over the party. For example in my current party in a past campaign my friend decided to play a thief for the first time ever and consistently took the title of thief a little too literally and would constantly pocket loot and not split it with the rest of the party and we couldn’t say anything about it cuz player knowledge. It was rlly frustrating to just watch your friend be a dick like that. Also the player that gets their panties in a twist when they lose a fight or die because of the rolls being shit on their luck and then ruins the mood. I’ve had that problem in AOS too with my friend who I no longer play with because every single fucking roll no matter what it was as long as it wasn’t perfect would shit all over the game because it’s “based on luck and therefor requires so skill and sucks” but would always try and play with us anyway. Pretty annoying stuff

Usually "that guy" in DnD, and other roleplaying games, are the min/maxers.

Playing DnD to "win" experiences. Player: Power gamers. Had a player with power build rogue who would spend the end of EVERY encounter trying to steel everyone else's loot (including magic weapons and unique items) so they could sell it and make more money than anyone else to the detriment of the entire party. DM: Had one that only wanted the story told their way. Would only let you win if you solved the encounter/puzzle the way they wanted. Also liked to pick on specific players by forcing them them to be the butt of every humiliating moment then use it to justify NPC's never taking them seriously.

We healers know where true power lies. :)

@@LeCharles07 the DPS trys to kill. The support decides who lives and who dies.

What a pain in the ass. That kind of behavior sucks even when you're getting paid at the time. Putting up with it during a game is not worth the grief.

Had a plauge doctor who was a very intimidating fellow, once a group of orcs came out and blocked our path in a forest, my plauge doctor stepped forward raised his walking stick and said in a damaged voice "quarantine" the orcs believing the party had the black death parted and let us by, my character is a pacifist and only attacks when himself or a paitent is threatened, beforehand everyone thought he was just a dead weight edgelord (he was victim to a warcrime and wears full garbe to hide his mutilated body)

Oh dear, I'm terribly sorry! Fingers crossed for your battleshock round old chap 😨

I thought it was the "f" word.. :o)

@@skarlocthewanderer1696 nah that's just Manchester

And Essex for fucks sake, sorry

@standardleft * _Cries in American_

This is bang on. When anyone loses a game they should feel unlucky, not feel like they are bad at the game.

I do the same as well

There is a limit to that as well. I experienced that with MtG and why I don’t play it. When I started I constantly got told I was playing wrong, how bad my deck list was, etc. Constructive feedback is valuable in doses. A new player is not going to suddenly become an expert. Give feedback in small chunks and always, always, always ask if they would like to hear it first. There are waaay too many people who, when providing feedback, do it in such a way that makes the recipient feel like an idiot.

@@TwilightxKnight13 I did not tell them what to run. I gave them tactics to better use what they had. I only gave them suggestions for models if they asked what to get next. I'm a heavy supporter of finding ways to win no matter what units you run. Because of that, I will gladly run horrible units and still be able to use them to good effects. I try to help others understand their rules and use their units, no matter what it is more efficiently.

The point is to ask them if they are interested in your “help” first. If you simply start telling them how to improve their play, which is the same thing is telling them what they are doing is wrong then you are also “that guy.” Most players do want advice, but not everyone, and not always. Keep in mind also that a lot of advice is based on personal bias and gaming philosophy and not everyone will agree with your advice.

I'd say only do so when they make a grieveously poor move or overlook a rule that is to their advantage.

Or how about "that guy" that rule checks everything just to find the slightest mistake, the smallest misinterpretation of the rules that he can use to make you undo a move so he doesnt become the loser?

That's a close cousin to "That Guy", commonly known as the "Humble Brag Guy" or, if you're not feeling all that nice at the moment, "The Clueless Ass With Too Much Money and Free Time".

@@TheRunesmythe He must really misuse his free time if he's to lazy to paint his own army.😂 I paint like 1 or 2 Tau fire warriors a week just because I like to play RDR2 right now.

Tch, bragging about an army like that when they didn’t even paint it themselves.

TheRunesmythe that sounds kinda salty. If a guy is a “hobby hero” he may have spent a lot of time on his minis and has really been looking forward to showing it off. If he isn’t getting the attention he’s expecting it’s a temptation to beg for it a bit. I don’t think that guy is necessarily being a turd.

My experience has been closer to ~80-90%

why'd you do that?

Whoa, that deep. Thanks for watching!

What if gods are wargamers messing with us !!?!

The Emperor of Mankind his name was Horus too.

Tobias Butters My heart just broke in two!

+Truck Boi It shouldn't. Self-deprecating humor is a great way to deal with crippling depression.

@Wessel Teunis thanks bing

Bit late to the party here, but a good way would be to talk to the players you've played with in the past. "Hey look, I've realised that I was being an ass. I'm sorry about that, and I'd love to have a game with you sometime.", something to that effect. It might work, it might not, but it's a solid start. I've given "That Guys" a chance for doing precisely that, and every one of those games has been fun.

Well i mean if you want to give the new edition a try, the new rules have made it so he's going to have to walk up the board a bit before he can go space wizard on you, and he probably won't wipe out all of your marines then, unless they are really lucky. I don't know how the rules worked 10 years ago mind, but now your more likely to get shot off the table. But you both have to decide how terrain works in your game, so a wall between his dudes and yours would help. The basic rules are free too, so that helps a lot.

That’s why I like genestealers! Even if they counterpick you can make a load of aberrants emerge from the ground, behind a wall, and pick off their favourites. Even if you lose, you get the satisfaction of bull rushing all of their obliterators and HQs 😈