@Fat Rat Yeah!

Two subs are always better than one. Just downsize them. A pair of REL zeros would be ideal.

@Fat Rat Yeah, that's cool, I have more than one sub also and it sounds awesome inside my listening space, but I live in a house in a relatively nice neighborhood, and where I actually have some *outside space* between me and my neighbors, but even so, when I have my stereo on even at a moderate volume, you can definitely hear it from outside my house, so I try not to play it TOO loud! Lol!... In contrast, I've also lived in a 1BR apartment before, in years past, and that was fine for me at that time in my life, but I remember how "paper thin" the walls in that place were, and that every single tiny little sound would transfer through the walls to the neighboring apartment, everything from dishes clanging in the kitchen, to just simple TV watching, the neighbors fucking, (lol!), and even moderate *talking/conversation* could be heard from the other apartments immediately around me, especially the 5 that I shared any walls, ceilings, or floors with, (I was right in the middle of other apartments to my left, right, up, down, and to the other side), so ultimately it totally depends on that guy's individual living situation and layout of his listening space and building which one sounds best and is going to be most acceptable to everyone around him, not just him and his wife, but also possibly his immediate neighbors!... If that guy in the letter in this video has the *money AND space* for 2 subs, that *can* provide more evenly distributed, slightly "fuller" bass throughout the room, IF they're properly set up and adjusted, but if he is living in a overly cramped apartment or townhouse/condo that shares at least one or 2 wall(s) with his neighbors, (which it sounded like he might very well be in that situation), and/or if he is on any kind of relatively lower budget, he *may* only want OR be able to get *one* relatively high quality, as "musical" as possible for that money sub, and go with that option, however, *none* of us here in these comments really know all that much about anything in regards to his living situation, so there's definitely no need for any of us to start "arguing" about it, as many of us "audiophile nerds" tend to do, even when it doesn't really matter to any of us! Lol!... I was just trying to give that guy some additional suggestions and options to consider, (IF he even ever reads any of our comments in the first place!), so let's just leave the options open for him to try for himself!... I know we both are very knowledgeable about audio and we both make some really good comments on the videos on this channel because of that knowledge and experience, but we are also both very opinionated, so really all we can or ever should do is to just put that info and knowledge/experience out there in our comments and then let the reader decide for themselves which info to actually try and utilize for their own specific circumstances, so let's both just let it be what it is here, because without anyone here actually seeing that guy's listening space and building layout, *none* of us *really* know the "best" way for him to improve his auditory experience, simply because he didn't give any of us enough total information to work with here! Without actually seeing that guy's listening space and living situation we're all just totally *guessing* what would work "best" for him, given our OWN priorities and living spaces... those of which may not be at ALL like that guy's priorities or space to consider!... Anyway, that's enough about that. Have a great day dude! :)

@@scottking2821 Well usually I would also say yes to that, but not *always* in every situation or circumstance... There are MANY things to take into consideration when setting up the "best" sound in any given listening environment, *especially* when/if a person's budget and/or spacial considerations have to also be considered in the situation!... I help design and install moderate to high-end audio and home theater systems in (usually) custom homes for a living, so I know there is MUCH more to take into consideration than always just a general "rule of thumb" about something! Each house/building and listening space, AND each individual client's living habits and realistic "family functionality" absolutely MUST be taken into consideration when planning out the "best" sound system for any given person's tastes and habits, and their realistic budget and living situation... I also know that REL subs ARE really great subs, (we have used them a few times before too), BUT they are ALSO quite pricey, (and yes, I know; you kinda do "get what you pay for" to a certain extent, especially with subs and speakers), but that is only ONE of MANY options that guy has to try out, so saying that "2 subs are *always* better than 1" isn't necessarily always true in every situation, when all things are taken into account!... I'm not trying to "disagree" with anyone here, (because I usually actually agree with what you said in many cases), but ALL things have to be considered here, and since neither of us know what that guy in the letter in this video's living situation really is, all we can do is make some *suggestions* for him to maybe try, but just making an outright "blanket statement" that it *always* has to be any certain way for the "best" sound, isn't necessarily a true or good thing to do!... Read my other reply here to FatRat's comment...

@Fat Rat LOL! Yeah, I know what you mean man!... I like playing it loud sometimes too! But since I am in a house with a bit of yard around it on all sides, I can do that reasonably well during the day when everyone's awake, but I'm still cautious to get too loud, as not everyone in the neighborhood, (as good as mine is), needs to know I have a big stereo system, as my college days taught me when I had all of my equipment stolen over Christmas break one year! That really sucked! :( Plus, now I'm just more courteous of my closest neighbors, which is an older couple who go to bed by around 9PM every day!... But it's all good, even with that self imposed limitation on my "blasting abilities", I'd still MUCH rather be living here in this house I'm in rn than EVER go back to a worse neighborhood, with more potential thieves, OR any kind of apartment complex! (Been there, done that, never again if I can at all help it!) Oh, and yes, I DO tend to "write a book" with every one of my comments, but that is just one of my traits, having Asperger's and all!... I have NO problem carrying on a VERY detailed and in-depth conversation with anyone and about ANY topic!

I know, I'm being pedantic... hey, that's oftentimes what we do. That said, moving from one sub to multiples... always better. Subs being a simple volume velocity device, I can't think of a scenario whereby 2 subs isn't a positive step. Also, and more relevant to the OP's situation Chris mentioned; Near-field subwoofing is an excellent tool for diminishing LF egress outside the room. Proximity to the sub necessitates a natural lower dBspl needed for adequate spectral balance. As an aside, implementation of Crowson actuators for the tactile bass component, should facilitate lowering of the audible LF level and subsequently lowering the energy outside the unit. Also as a FOH engineer, I'd be remiss in my audiophile duties if I didn't point out a VERY powerful tool to combat LF bothering neighbors etc., is multiple subs w/cardioid steering. Two subs located and DSP aligned in such a manner whereby they sum in the direction of the primary listening position, ... thus nulling LF energy in every other direction. Thanks

Well done.

Mic sounds hot in general. Maybe start by just lowering the gain on the mic? Noise floor is high overall. Thanks Chris and the PS Audio team for the content as always!

-12dB/octave at 110Hz

Fat Rat, wow.. go listen to some music alone. Just some supporters trying to help a channel grow and continue to be amazing. Sorry you’re having a bad day Rat.. Hope you have some positivity headed your way.

@Fat Rat Hard to concentrate on the information when you can't understand what is being said. I gave up halfway through.

@Fat Rat, I don’t think anyone is as upset as you make it out. I believe I can safely say that we all feel having the addition of CB is wonderful. Not throwing darts, but the reason you likely haven’t heard what others are talking about is because of the laptop you’re on. It’s likely rolled off where others systems still play strong. On a serious note, Happy 4th to you and all. Keep enjoying music.

@Fat Rat To be honest, I don't use anything as I haven't built my speakers or amp just yet, but my cabinets just arrived today and I'll be ordering the guts on Monday from Danny at GR Research. But my DSP EQ will be Equalizer APO on my laptop computer where all my music is. After I build and setup everything, I will use REW to analyze the room and the resulting file will load into Equalizer APO to do the EQing. It's all free except for the calibrated mic I'm getting from Parts Express.

@Fat Rat Interesting. It may be some smearing of transients you are hearing from those HPF components I don't know. But I would remove only one of the filters and play those tracks in mono so that both speakers are subjected to identical signals and listen for a difference. This is my (apparently unique) method of determining the audibility of SQ differences in anything in the chain. It doesn't work for testing soundstage and imaging properties but it does for everything else. Let me know how it goes.

@Fat Rat Well then use stereo and reverse the L and R channels. If one side seems to be better than the other, it should be the same after switching channels. I don't even have a preamplifier yet as I am going to modify a passive preamp to do the switching around for testing. But the Markley method of A/ B comparison can be done with stereo as well as mono, just needs more time. Also you need stereo to judge soundstage using stereo, but my method is a little different for that comparison.

I was not aware of 1/5 rule. Really helpful.

Fat Rat I’ll paint them pretty. I’m looking to domesticate my mastering studio and less than idea room sizes are the only option. The gentleman didn’t get into room measurement/treatment and was curious if it even applied at that point.

Private drone you mean :-))

Never EQ

Henrik Sørensen Try to play vinyl with an anti EQ philosophy...you know vinyl needs an insane 40dB RIAA EQ. I usually don’t accept more than 6dB of EQ in my setups. Too much EQ is bad and no EQ is almost never good even in your US$100,000 system.

@@ThinkingBetter The RIAA equalization is unavoidable. The judicious use of EQ can help with many things from speaker frequency response compensation to room mode compensation to recording/mastering compensation to hearing loss compensation to music taste compensation... need I go on?

@@StewartMarkley I avoid RIAA equalization by not using vinyl anymore :-) Yes, EQ can be great for those cases and others, for example, modern premium audio systems in cars use EQ to get the sound right. Concerts use EQ all the time. I always use EQ to get my earbuds to sound right when I'm on the go e.g. shopping (using EarStudio ES100 mk2). But for some reason, people paying 10s of 1000s of US$ on their audiophile setup are to be fooled into thinking that EQ is all evil, even they actually also could benefit from a few carefully adjusted dB of EQ here and there.

@@ThinkingBetter Absolutely true. Have a great 4th of July.

Well, they would fit in my room....when I remove anything else :-))

Thank you. Earl Geddes recommends this approach. However he using speakers with large waveguide loaded compression drivers. These larger baffled speakers may work against the aestheic requirements of the small NY apartment.

@@cbrunhaver Thank you for replying, Chris. And I agree, Earl's speakers are pretty big, but ime they work very well. The Dutch & Dutch 8c and the Kii3 could also be set up cross-firing. Gradient, Amphion, Larsen, and Sjofn also come to mind as offering small-room-friendly/against-the-wall-friendly designs. That being said, if York must plow with the horses he has, I agree with your suggestion. Stand-mounts + subs usually offers considerably more adaptability than floorstanders.

All those big pre-war apartments in Manhattan were actually modelled and inspired by the old victorian townhouses in the United Kingdom. But they cost a arm and a leg super expensive unless you got lucky one passed down through family.

@@C--A I have one of those large apartments here in a sleepy section of Brooklyn - so they are not hard to come by and not all prohibitively priced.

@Fat Rat Hey, back! Moo ;-)

@Fat Rat Thanks. That sounds like fun!

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@Fat Rat AND MAX. MALE SPEECH is in the (approx.300- 3000) Hz range.. by nature at a much higher dB than other Freq. of entire male voice range which in my opinion is significantly low...

@Fat Rat don't blame Y.T. many others on Y.T. are very clear & loud.. AND WITHOUT HEADPHONES....

Fixed it for me homie!

Headphones make the noise floor even *more* annoying though! Lol!

@@JoeJ-8282 It depends. High end headphone systems can separate noise floor further to the background, just like high end speaker systems.

@@allansh828 I've never heard of ANY speaker or headphone set that actually reduces incoming signal background noise without just "dulling" the overall frequency response... Neither with headphones OR speakers... If a speaker or headphone is truly detailed and revealing, as a truly high-end set should be, and it has great clarity and frequency response, especially in the treble and midrange, then the noise in a recording of anything is pretty much *always* more noticeable, especially during the quieter passages, (along with the treble and midrange clarity also being better and stronger at the same time), but I'm not aware of any speakers or headphones that actually *reduce* the noise or "background hiss" in a recording, *without* just simply rolling off the highs or lowering the mids in relation to the bass response, which usually just makes *everything* coming through them sound "duller" or "muddy" or "masked", none of which is tolerable just simply in order to reduce the background noise resolution or emphasis!... About the only way I could *maybe* see something like that working would be with an active speaker or headphone set, with built-in "noise reduction" circuitry for the incoming signal, (NOT just background noise reduction of ambient noise around you in the same room, that's different), so which brands and models of speakers and/or headphones are you talking about that reduce background noise in the incoming signal without any loss in the frequency response?... I'd be curious to hear them if any such things exist... I've just never seen or heard of anything like that before.

JoeJ8282 My THX789 amp has power supply noise reduction circuitry at the expense of sacrificing detail retrieval. If you are talking about background noise in the recordings, decent headphone systems are absolutely fine. My Focal Utopia on Chord Hugo TT2 presents very natural background. You can almost feel the ambient noise stretch out to the shape of the recording studio. Tho I returned TT2 because the higher end DAVE2 is imminent.

I here ya, but I feel that I get more detailed advice from Chris. I'm sure they'll mix it up enough to keep everyone satisfied.

@@cablebrain9691 It's better to listen to Chris at bedtime. His soporific monotone has cured my insomnia more than once.

Don P I enjoy being tortured.