How to Move Baseboard Heating | Ask This Old House

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3 жыл бұрын

In this video, Ask This Old House plumbing and heating expert Richard Trethewey helps a homeowner by moving a hot water baseboard heater from one side of a room to another.
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Richard Trethewey helps a homeowner relocate a poorly placed baseboard heater that has been doing very little to heat the space. The heater is located in what used to be a kitchen, but is now a newly renovated family room.
Time: 2-3 hours
Cost: $200
Skill Level: Hard
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Steps for moving a baseboard heater:
1. There are two types of baseboard heaters, electric and hydronic heaters. Figure out what type you have before starting any work. In this case, Richard moved a hydronic heater. Hot water baseboard heaters require some plumbing knowledge, so hiring a professional is advised.
2. Shut off the water lines to the particular zone you are working with. Shut off the boiler electric switch. Wait for the lines and baseboard heater to cool down.
3. Attach a hose to the drain valve and empty the remaining water.
4. Cut the PEX supply and return lines and let them drain into a bucket.
5. Remove the baseboard cover and copper pipe and fins.
6. Measure where you want the basement heater to go. Remove any baseboard trim from the wall.
7. Drill two holes where the pipes will run back down to the mechanical room.
8. Install the hydronic baseboard to the desired wall.
9. Place the fin tube into the baseboard.
10. Richard recommends using expansion cradles to make baseboards quieter when they heat up.
11. Make sure both ends of the copper pipe end over the holes you drill. If not, cut the pipe back. Then clean, flux, and solder the copper fitting on both sides.
12. Once the solder connections have cooled, it is time to make the PEX connections. Take out the baseboard element to make the next connections.
13. Use a PEX expansion ring to slip over the tubing. Then use a PEX expansion tool to expand the sleeve to be able to fit over the copper fitting. Hold for a few seconds until the PEX has shrunk down to the fitting. Do the same to the other side.
14. Pick up the baseboard element and carefully put the PEX tubing down the holes that were drilled earlier.
15. Make the new PEX connections where the new lines are run.
16. Place the baseboard cover on.
17. Turn the boiler and water supply back on.
Where to find it?
The homeowners had a baseboard heating system with ¾” PEX lines [bit.ly/3mOJvHi], which were manufactured by Uponor [www.uponor-usa.com/en]. To move the baseboard from one side of the room to the other, all Richard needed to do was cut the PEX and move it to the other side of the room.
While Richard could have moved the existing baseboard over, he thought it would be better to install a new baseboard with a taller cover to make it more efficient. The one he installed is a Multi/Pak 80 residential hot water baseboard heater, which is manufactured by Slant/Fin [www.slantfin.com/].
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@dereklull8212
@dereklull8212 3 жыл бұрын
Richard was having a little bit of fun with this one.
@ChadAmI80
@ChadAmI80 11 ай бұрын
That mechanical area was beautiful with all of the pro-press copper. I have a 1940 house with cast iron radiators and the basement is a headknocking jungle of old pipes. I'm jealous of the nice, tucked out the way pex lines in her house.
@writerjmd
@writerjmd 10 ай бұрын
I don't trust plastic pipe with hot water in it.
@FKS1994
@FKS1994 3 жыл бұрын
She's a great guest!
@MmM-jb7xg
@MmM-jb7xg Жыл бұрын
Smh
@Mike__B
@Mike__B 3 жыл бұрын
That was nice of him to put the old piece of baseboard on the other side... and then leave the holes in the floor :)
@domenicdalleva1045
@domenicdalleva1045 3 жыл бұрын
Norm is going over to fix holes😁
@kaylaspeakman916
@kaylaspeakman916 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@major0888
@major0888 2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@christianalcantar4664
@christianalcantar4664 2 жыл бұрын
Good thing it wasn't his job to do any of that lol his job was to move the heater that's it.
@oldtwinsna8347
@oldtwinsna8347 6 ай бұрын
That's not his specialty, best left to a trim carpenter to deal with.
@anthonyelectric6045
@anthonyelectric6045 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I remember when Richard did a video a long time ago about noisy radiators. He talked about the plastic support not in the right position. I followed his tips back then and no more noisy radiators. 👍
@NoMercyGunzzz
@NoMercyGunzzz 3 жыл бұрын
I just assumed these were noisy, now I need to check mine at home because the ting and pop
@fabricioJiuJitsu
@fabricioJiuJitsu Жыл бұрын
What tool he used to open the plastic thing?
@heinzotto1194
@heinzotto1194 Жыл бұрын
There are many kinds out there, just look up “pex expansion tool”. He used a power tool.
@ezabreeza3223
@ezabreeza3223 2 жыл бұрын
The floor of the home is so beautiful
@danielleking3658
@danielleking3658 2 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha watching this brings back so Many memories! 😂😂
@swone6349
@swone6349 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video…you were a great assistant as he said! ☺️👍🏾
@Liciousdub
@Liciousdub 10 ай бұрын
Love the hole from the old heater was left a hole lol
@bomon8o832
@bomon8o832 2 жыл бұрын
Is there a way I can turn these off completely? Instead of covering the top vent from airflow?
@josephstupar3372
@josephstupar3372 6 ай бұрын
That alligator play thing looks great, getting that for my daughter forsure.
@michellerichardson3687
@michellerichardson3687 3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know which boiler is used in this video?
@heroknaderi
@heroknaderi 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting
@ozziesheppard17
@ozziesheppard17 3 жыл бұрын
Looks good, but at 6:00 that baseboard is loose as hell- It's not even attached to the wall. I'd be pissed if I paid a contractor to do that.
@FilamentFriday
@FilamentFriday Жыл бұрын
I get clicking when the back plate flexes. So I loosened mine and it went away. I believe it’s loose on purpose for that reason. I wish he would have explained that.
@urbanturbine
@urbanturbine 2 ай бұрын
@@FilamentFriday i don't think so. the housing is isolated from the element with plastic carriers. Dang thing is loose as hell.
@heinzotto1194
@heinzotto1194 Жыл бұрын
Wish they would have shown how he purged the system. Also how to fix the hole in the floor lol.
@ClarkS963
@ClarkS963 3 жыл бұрын
Nice of them to have originally used uponor PEX.
@jimmypchacko
@jimmypchacko 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't think you could use expansion pex because it doesn't have an oxygen barrier
@cynthiaking5308
@cynthiaking5308 2 жыл бұрын
I have a question about a kitchen remodel. We have 12’ of hot water baseboard heat in our kitchen. When we gut the kitchen, we are taking 6’ of that wall and putting the fridge and cabinets against the wall. We are putting a toe kick in to bring the heat out thru the cabin base, but what about the fridge? If it’s supposed to be a counter depth fridge, won’t it stick out because of the pipe? My husband won’t let me call his buddy the HAVAC guy to answer this question. It’s really eating at me. I can’t think about anything else. Thanks.
@jasonkichline9826
@jasonkichline9826 2 жыл бұрын
Did you ever find an answer to this question? I’m going to be dealing with a similar situation soon
@cynthiaking5308
@cynthiaking5308 2 жыл бұрын
@@jasonkichline9826 yes i did. The layout of this wall is Broom closet, fridge, six foot of cabinets. The baseboard heat is behind the cabinets. We are pulling it forward, installing the toe kick and re routing the baseboard heating back behind the fridge into the floor or wall Joyce’s. I know the word spelled incorrectly The key is they use a flexible kind of pipe. The plumber is installing it. There are you tube videos that can show you how, but you basically put a register in the base of the cabinets that has a fan and pushes the heat out of the toe kick, and the rest of it goes in the floor or wall. Hope this makes sense. Good luck.
@1980Elplacerdeviajar
@1980Elplacerdeviajar 2 жыл бұрын
It is possible to do this process in winter time.?? Outside is freezing cold ( I have 3 zones )
@Ayesuh
@Ayesuh 7 ай бұрын
If somehow you can just shut off the 1 zone.... otherwise youll be without heat till its finished if you dont mess it up beyond your ability
@zillerruss
@zillerruss 8 ай бұрын
You’re not in Maine by chance, are you? How much do you think it would cost to install baseboard heat AND all of that equipment in the basement for a 2 story home, 1,400 square feet?
@Ayesuh
@Ayesuh 7 ай бұрын
The tankless boiler alone was quoted $10k from my local plumber.... lol And those slant/fin baseboards are decently cheap from i think home depot, but they always arrive damaged
@marygoodman1666
@marygoodman1666 Жыл бұрын
We just had a whole new system installed in an old house. Drywall is torn out in order to install new pex tubing and new baseboard heaters in the basement. The problem is they install the baseboard heaters directly to the bare wood studs before the drywall it was put back. This can’t be right? How do we replace drywall? Would you ever do it like this? Trying to get our installer to remedy, but they are ghosting us.
@nospam276
@nospam276 8 ай бұрын
Did you get a solution to this? What did they do to fix it? (note: I'm trying to avoid this scenario as I start a project)
@marygoodman1666
@marygoodman1666 8 ай бұрын
@@nospam276 we ended up driving to their office and speaking with the VP who made the installer come back and reinstall the baseboard heaters so that we could do drywall behind it. Such a hassle. I hope your project goes better. Incidentally that company suddenly my closed and went on the auction block 4 months later. Owner moved to Florida. be careful who you hire!
@Ayesuh
@Ayesuh 7 ай бұрын
According to a 1950s sears kit home book.... thats the 'nicer' look.... lol I wish i could recess mine that way but i got block walls
@emperor6598
@emperor6598 Жыл бұрын
A+
@writerjmd
@writerjmd 10 ай бұрын
heating lines would be better in copper
@TheOne610
@TheOne610 5 ай бұрын
What about the electrical to that baseboard though?
@ryanravencaller
@ryanravencaller 4 ай бұрын
There are two different kinds of baseboard heating, electric and hydronic/hot water or steam This is a hot water style baseboard no electricity, no wires.
@merlinbrubaker1163
@merlinbrubaker1163 3 жыл бұрын
Everything I've read online about Pex A says that it shouldn't be used for hot water baseboards because it doesn't have an oxygen barrier coating. PEX A is intended for domestic water supply. The orange PEX has the oxygen barrier coating.
@fiehlsport
@fiehlsport 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I figured he was gonna swap it for orange PEX-Al
@mainelyelectric
@mainelyelectric 2 жыл бұрын
Upanor brand is white ish and contains the oxygen barrier too. It doesn’t have to be orange
@cmlxjcky
@cmlxjcky 3 жыл бұрын
Her mannerisms, accent and inflection remind of Rich Benois of RichRebuilds
@hondadna93
@hondadna93 3 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@JD987abc
@JD987abc 2 жыл бұрын
A lovely home owner and TOH guest.
@cmlxjcky
@cmlxjcky 2 жыл бұрын
@@JD987abc it's meant as a compliment
@jeffreyjohn2037
@jeffreyjohn2037 3 жыл бұрын
6:02 the enclosure isn't fastened to the wall. 👎
@chrisburns5691
@chrisburns5691 3 жыл бұрын
good eye.
@jays1752
@jays1752 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing how many people comment on the holes in the floor Rich leaves behind. I guess the average youtube troller doesn't know that plumbers aren't finish carpenters. He also didn't do the paint touch up. Again, because he's a plumber.
@ursulamendez285
@ursulamendez285 Жыл бұрын
Can have him over, fix my problem , I can’t find anybody can do this work in my area
@howtodoitdude1662
@howtodoitdude1662 3 жыл бұрын
Can Someone shed some light about those fittings? They have memory? Nothing more to do for a tight seal? I have never seen those.
@stevenwinther8306
@stevenwinther8306 3 жыл бұрын
It's a pex expansion fitting, you expand the pex and sleeve either with a manual or battery operated expander, insert your fitting, then it shrinks back to clamp onto the fitting
@isaacmadrid15
@isaacmadrid15 3 жыл бұрын
Uponor fittings
@JimDean002
@JimDean002 8 ай бұрын
I'm starting to see a few people have issues with these now. Apparently expanding it that much can put a permanent stress on that fitting and some of them are cracking. It's rare but it's happening. A lot of guys are sticking with the crimp fittings now
@craiglist308
@craiglist308 2 жыл бұрын
2:40
@javierm9010
@javierm9010 2 жыл бұрын
is expensive ? the electric bill?
@alexmaclean1
@alexmaclean1 2 жыл бұрын
It's either natural gas or propane powered hot water so only uses enough electricity for the pumps really. Not the most affordable system but it's a cheap upgrade for them vs installing a heatpump,which isn't so effective in older homes without a modern open floor plan.
@Ayesuh
@Ayesuh 7 ай бұрын
He said GAS-tankless boiler Not electric
@dust09100
@dust09100 3 жыл бұрын
Number 1 yes
@LetsGoBrandon-FJB
@LetsGoBrandon-FJB 3 жыл бұрын
who does number 2 work for?
@dust09100
@dust09100 3 жыл бұрын
@@LetsGoBrandon-FJB just hold on we'll get through this together
@ronron291
@ronron291 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't fix that hole in the floor tho
@theamerican7080
@theamerican7080 3 жыл бұрын
Kitchen floor is full of open holes.
@blainerueckwald
@blainerueckwald 3 жыл бұрын
He’s a plumber, not a carpenter dammit.
@ravenlosanez3595
@ravenlosanez3595 3 жыл бұрын
Zoalal
@jeffwilson1399
@jeffwilson1399 3 жыл бұрын
This Old House with Baseboard Heat. . And no A/C.
@LetsGoBrandon-FJB
@LetsGoBrandon-FJB 3 жыл бұрын
this old screw no a/c
@jeffwilson1399
@jeffwilson1399 3 жыл бұрын
This Old House with Baseboard Heat and an ugly mini split in every room!
@89Ayten
@89Ayten 3 жыл бұрын
This Old set in New England where mild summers are 8 weeks
@Bremend
@Bremend 3 жыл бұрын
@@89Ayten 8 weeks? Are you talking about north Canada?
@DapperMKVI
@DapperMKVI 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bremend idk about 8 week summers in NE, I live in CT. But it is super common around here for any house built before 1990 (maybe later even) to not have ac. Mini splits are an easier retrofit than ductwork is.
@danlaur7973
@danlaur7973 3 жыл бұрын
Give me copper tubing any day vs pex
@figrollin
@figrollin 3 жыл бұрын
Why?
@TheBmonster1
@TheBmonster1 3 жыл бұрын
I'm going with pex rerunning all my copper lines cuz it's extremely unorganized and looks terrible
@verygoodboy2688
@verygoodboy2688 3 жыл бұрын
The future is now old man
@LetsGoBrandon-FJB
@LetsGoBrandon-FJB 3 жыл бұрын
give me fuel, give me fire
@Bremend
@Bremend 3 жыл бұрын
No thanks (and I have copper pipes)
@mattieice2988
@mattieice2988 9 ай бұрын
she sounds like she is selling a house :)
@olymonty
@olymonty 3 жыл бұрын
Come on This Old House. Fix the hole in the floor. That looks ugly.
@fiehlsport
@fiehlsport 3 жыл бұрын
That’s Tom’s job!
@johnames6430
@johnames6430 3 жыл бұрын
every since the George Floyd incident they've forced them to have more blacks on the show😂
@LetsGoBrandon-FJB
@LetsGoBrandon-FJB 3 жыл бұрын
the new mascot for george floyd high is a syringe
@chrisburns5691
@chrisburns5691 3 жыл бұрын
wow.. ever think she is just a fan of the show and wanted her heater moved? who cares if she is black or white or asian or whatever else..
@LetsGoBrandon-FJB
@LetsGoBrandon-FJB 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisburns5691 yet here you are
@chrisburns5691
@chrisburns5691 3 жыл бұрын
@@LetsGoBrandon-FJB yes I'm here because I enjoyed the video and called out a comment from some racist simpleton.. what is your point? If you even have one.
@LetsGoBrandon-FJB
@LetsGoBrandon-FJB 3 жыл бұрын
this old "cultural diversity"
@Robertodababy
@Robertodababy 3 жыл бұрын
this old triggered ❄️❄️❄️ comments
@chrisburns5691
@chrisburns5691 3 жыл бұрын
you don't approve of a black person being interested in the show and inviting them to help her out? white people only? are you a backwater hillbilly racist?
@LetsGoBrandon-FJB
@LetsGoBrandon-FJB 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisburns5691 blm right? Buy Large Mansions
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