Yeah that’s definitely an option, I didn’t want to relabel everything lol

@@shawndavis9276 HAHA! You are never going to write that novel, you know.... LOL!

Where do the neutral and ground go for the new 30

@@chrisbenson6860 that’s the easy part, just plug it into the rail with all the others, there’s a bank of nuetral and a bank of ground. Find a spot that makes sense and u good

If I just move the breakers down as you mentioned will I have to worry about the neutral overload issue other people have discussed in other comments? I’m wanting to do this but want to do it as safely as possible

thanks! I have one of my AC breakers with a white and red wire used as hots (of course the clowns that wired mine before I bought it!!! put BOTH AC units one one 50 amp breaker and Both air handlers on one 20 amp breaker lucky my house didnt burn down I guess) -- I will wrap with black tape next time im in there (I wondered about that when I saw it).

I suppose. Lot of dinking around. It’s not a problem with r a code violation where I live but it would be a great solution for places that don’t allow splices in a panel

Yes. And that also insures that everything will remain on the same phase it's currently on.

Ok, so in this case where it’s just one circuit the phasing should not be an issue correct? Thanks for explaining

@@shawndavis9276 That's correct. When sharing a neutral, the phasing keeps the neutral from being overloaded. Half the time the neutral is carrying current for one circuit and half the time for the other circuit. The power coming into the panel are two 120v feeders that are phased 180 degrees from each other. Together they make 240v. If you put a 240v breaker misaligned in the panel you would not get 240v, only two 120v. This can happen when using half height breakers. These are the two main reasons to understand phasing when moving breakers around inn the box. Most people know to phase correctly for 240v breakers, but not many know the shared neutral. And it's not a rare thing. In fact it's probably a rare thing to not have neutral sharing because it saves wire and time on your home runs.

I’d say the ground is just fine where it is but without seeing I can’t say 100% all the grounds on mine are off to the side in a rail on their own. Also I’m not an electrician just an idiot with a video camera on my phone😂

@@shawndavis9276 I appreciate the response. It really helped. Thanks again.

That is the proper way to do it. Never use wire nuts to extend these type of wires.

Ya bro live wires hurt trust me

beats me lol i assumed that each side , right and left, would be the same. if not the whole box. i dont know enough about electrical work or what a phase is, just did it how my step dad would have showed me.

@@shawndavis9276 Good video. But always check with a reliable tester or multimeter that there is no power before you touch any of the screws, wires or metal parts, even after turning off the main breaker. As to the 2 sides, they are called legs, similar but not quite the same as phases. You can put on either side, but total load on each side (leg) shoould be approximately equal.

@@shawndavis9276 - Well turns out you could’ve put both circuits on the opposite leg without knowing it. Circuits one and two are on Phase A or leg one and circuits three and four are on phase B Or leg 2. So you would probably want to keep them on the same phase they were on in other words

@@condor5635 thanks for the explanation, I just looked and what you are saying makes sense looking at the panel, the panel backing that the breakers plug in to are staggered every other row. By dumb luck, mine ended up on the same phase as I pulled them from. So, if you move them an even number of spaces down, your good. Odd, ull switch phases. Now I don’t know if any of this matters but I’m glad to know I got lucky and they are on the same phase that they came from😁

@@shawndavis9276 hahahaa sometime really weird questions pops up when talking to other people as well. I thought I knew what I was doing too until some questions were asked

You are 100% correct and I should probably fix that. Never even occurred to me. Thanks!

unless it was real old 12 gauge wire which had a white jacket also....my house has white jacket 12 gauge... which fooled me at 1st. till I read the jacket.

I agree, confusing and also keeping them on the same side would negate all the finger wagging.

Check my videos I did a janky ass series on puttin in a interlock switch if that’s what yer lookin for

Good question, I don’t know the answer but I would move both so it made more sense for the next person working in there, and then if you ever needed to work on that circuit again or whatever it’d be easy to find the right wires

@@shawndavis9276 I did some more research and found out that I need to move both hot and neutral for the moved breaker to provide safety against overloading the circuit

@@ItsAlive111 thanks!

@@shawndavis9276 thank you for your video. It helped me set up my generator breaker on my main panel, under the main, that was full and move some breakers to the second panel next to it.

@@ItsAlive111 awesome! Way to go

No clue but I don’t pull em if I’m doing my own work

No!

yes, i've got it all, havent posted yet but will get on it asap for you, the interlock device is so simple its silly

@@shawndavis9276 thx!

@@yellow_panther just uploaded it😁

@@shawndavis9276 thank you very much!

Because I am installing a interlock switch for a generator. The 50a will be power coming in and the interlock toggles between the main 200a coming in, and the top two right slots. If all you were doing was adding a 50 amp service for a new oven or something, You could for sure just add it at the bottom and an open slot, great question

Apparently some localities don’t allow splicing inside the box, make sure to check first. If you aren’t allowed to splice u might have to move all the breakers down one of there is not enough extra wire

@@shawndavis9276 thats what i was reading in some of your comments.

Yes

That's what I did, seemed easier to shift all the breakers down 2 slots, there was enough wire on each....I didn't have to splice wire on the 2 top breakers to put them on the bottom

This is why I searched the comments, that's what I thought maybe move them all down two spots.

I’d imagine they could stay depending on how your panel is set up, Just move the hot down with each breaker

@@shawndavis9276 I mean on the new 10/3 wire coming into the 30 amp breaker for a generator outside

Thanks I should probably check lol

@@shawndavis9276 Hi, your fine if it’s not a shared neutral.

Buy a new one, they’re cheap. Pop out the old, snap in the new. Turn off master power first

I’m adding/swapping for a generator inlet. The bracket that prevents back feeding is made to have the generator power in those slots

I guess but I always go quantity over quality

Beats me, great question though, I’ll look in to it

Google said it’s not a problem

My instructor told me not to wire nut in a panel but when I search on Google it says totally fine. Confuse me much.

@@FirstNameLastName-fu8ml All depends on building codes in your area it’s fine here where I am

You can have a Boat Load of Wire Nuts in a Panel, it is a Wire Fill Issue. If a wire has a Wirenut, it counts as 2 wires

I would imagine that their generators only put out 30 A, which is fairly common especially for RVs and motorhomes. I bought the biggest portable generator I could find and it’s 50 A and 220 V

@@shawndavis9276 makes sense, thanks for sharing 👍

Above 7500 watts generator- you need 50 amp breaker. Which is better because most of generator now provide higher watts tl generate the the AC and whole house

Thanks but accidentally welding is one of my favorite activities

I have. It works great. I can make a video of the plumbing for propane if any one cares

@@shawndavis9276 could you make a video for ours ?

Lmao Ty!

You could. I didn’t. Less re-labeling.

Not everyone who needs to move circuit breakers needs to install an interlock. I have another video hooking up the interlock

U can where I live, see the other comments regarding this

@@shawndavis9276 wish I could where I live...

@@flasha29 you can

Just shut off the power and test with a volt tester before you start your work…

Way less rewiring this way. Could have avoided splicing inside the box moving everything, but would have had to move all the wires down 2 as well. To be fair, moving the top 2 to the bottom is arguably the lazy way. Btw, splicing instructions de the box is fine by code where I live, some places don’t allow it

Ok just checking. I’ve spliced in wires also but thought I’d ask since it looked like there was enough wire to move all the breakers.🤔

I installed an interlock switch for a generator coming into the house, so I needed the 50amp to be there for the switch to work

You are correct. I have since corrected the problem when other viewers pointed it out. Thanks!

I don’t use protection I wish your father would have

@@shawndavis9276 aw someone's little feeling got hurt? You can tell how big of a dumbass someone really is when they get their emotions hurt over someone calling them out for doing something completely irresponsible. 🤦🏻‍♂️😂😂😂

@@shawndavis9276😂😂

@@shawndavis9276 🤣🤣🤣

Haha and you watched it all, and the other videos I made about it, thanks for the ad revenue sucka! 😘

Not in minnesota

Here in NY (one of the strictest code enforcement in the nation) it’s not. What your reference?

Is a OK in California but the jump wire should be a #12 on that 20 amp C/B not the 14.

@@stevenchien9656 you are correct, my mistake

​@@stevenchien9656 ( the old #12 wire had a white jacket. )😆

Don’t! Thanks!

First of all, im not an electrician. 2nd, thanks for the tip!

@@shawndavis9276 And, do NOT use your wire strippers to remove the knockouts.

@@pawpawraab3294 when all you got is a hammer everything is a nail dog….

Hahahahaha I guess Darwin was wrong 🤣 roflmao electricians don’t have any work so they run around not liking you tube videos now 🤣🌶👀

@@shawndavis9276 If YOU feel this was a safe and appropriate set of actions, especially considering the tutorial fashion that viewers receive watching this, then I can’t imagine what kind of dumpster fires you potentially create. Alternatively, he accomplished said task, just not code correct NOR safely considering it is a shared TUTORIAL. Responsibility be damned, I wouldn’t put out a instruction video that shows imagery that could harm someone by a lackadaisical action. Let’s be honest, we don’t have a lot of wise brothers and sisters out there and properties left out here could harm someone. Your choice, not mine. I’m glad he’s safe, but can’t condone the actions myself. Cheers.

@@AXNJXN1 k link your own tutorial then captain save a hoe

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