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@OscarUnderdog
@OscarUnderdog 7 ай бұрын
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@jakedeutscher
@jakedeutscher 7 ай бұрын
Man can’t thank you enough for the videos. I’m an FL Studio user, but your way of explaining things is some of the best I’ve seen on KZfaq. You helped me so much in the early days. It’s now been over 1 year of producing regularly.
@OscarUnderdog
@OscarUnderdog 7 ай бұрын
Love to read it
@MateusMachina
@MateusMachina Ай бұрын
Completely agree. Im an FL user as well, but his videos explain basic fundamentals so well that it doesn't matter what program I'm using, I'm still able to apply what I've learned.
@piotr803
@piotr803 7 ай бұрын
I really appreciate you talking about this topic. Still think you’ve omitted the most obvious treatment, which is adjusting the volume of your tracks. Most often it’s about getting the levels right and not even touching Eq or multi band compression. So instead of changing the tonality of the bassy tracks, most people should just reach for the track volume first
@OscarUnderdog
@OscarUnderdog 7 ай бұрын
100% agreed, honestly.
@Byronic19134
@Byronic19134 5 ай бұрын
I would have clicked off this video so fast if he started talking about gain staging instead of what the actual title says.
@amado7760
@amado7760 7 ай бұрын
Love the video Oscar. Just a quick note that Tonal Balance Control is not from waves, it is from Izotope.
@naoredri4444
@naoredri4444 7 ай бұрын
Thank You (Slapping the table)
@Italliving
@Italliving 6 ай бұрын
indeed it's IzoTope
@goabuoy
@goabuoy 3 күн бұрын
greetings from Goa!! must say you are one of the top guys givin' tips on production. you are appreciated!! thanks a lot!!
@jonsnow4372
@jonsnow4372 7 ай бұрын
Another way to fix this issue is to keep your bass notes and kicks short with fast decays. Would probably help with this track as well. The high crest factor on tonal balance control seems to indicate that.
@eroero830
@eroero830 7 ай бұрын
One of the problems of this is if you don't like that sound. Like. At all.
@nguyendannie4490
@nguyendannie4490 24 күн бұрын
I'm really grateful to you for the video, the way you explain is very easy to understand even I'm not good at English. And the main content of the video is the answer to my doubts for a long time.
@papagu_band
@papagu_band 7 ай бұрын
Tonal Balance Control is by Izotope and not by Waves. I also use it a lot.
@OscarUnderdog
@OscarUnderdog 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, realised that just before uploading that I misspoke hehe. My bad.
@tonescapes9673
@tonescapes9673 2 ай бұрын
As per usual,straight forward & easy metaphor to understand.cheers squire
@markogalevski6088
@markogalevski6088 7 ай бұрын
Hey Oscar, long time fan! I've got a suggestion you might like regarding multiband dynamics/compressors: Downward Expansion. I only know how to do it in Ableton's Multiband Dynamics, but the logic is as follows: You set a "below" threshold in band and set the compressor for that band to a negative ratio. As a result, all audio in that band from that track that is quieter than this threshold will get "expanded" downwards towards -inf dB. So lots of muddy tails (like your pads) will get pushed down even further, but the inital hit won't be affected.
@brianbergmusic5288
@brianbergmusic5288 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for this healthier vegetable tray of EQ usage. I've relied too much on saturation to fake mixing in the past. It's sort of like using broad brushes (both saturation and layering) to smear the mountain range instead of removing what you need (in which buckets) to "tilt" the EQ in a needed direction. This more dub-house (correct me if wrong) track is a useful demonstration of this minimalistic approach. I also appreciate that this is not a top-down mixing approach -- I think it's an immature technique to do a master tilt EQ, especially if the mix isn't finished. There's something about how a clean mix breathes between the instruments that makes me happier than, say, a squashed master. The only person who has proven me wrong is Alan Parsons, but in his analog world, his use of compression/limiting was probably very subtle and controlled. I find myself pursuing a no-touch-master mix with a sensible -3db headroom and never being happy with mastering beyond gentle limiting to 0 (always feels like a set of compromises afterwards). I see some comments going into "Just use a highpass" mode. I'd rather have the organs and bells breath a bit instead of being completely sucked dry of their natural warmth. You could also sidechain stuff as well, but I'm getting tired of that sound these days. Maybe I'm getting old.
@hamiltonservices
@hamiltonservices 3 ай бұрын
My number 1 on KZfaq. Every time I watch one your videos it makes me a better producer! Thanks man!!!
@alexanderfavell
@alexanderfavell 7 ай бұрын
Great content Oscar. Utilising frequency band compression and EQ is an evolving topic, yet with more experience becomes more fun compared to newbie days.
@Starbrou
@Starbrou 3 ай бұрын
This one pure gold Cheers buddy
@alangreen142
@alangreen142 2 ай бұрын
Isotope Tonal Balance is a god send, it has has helped my mixes so much especially in the low end👍
@danieljamesoconnor6800
@danieljamesoconnor6800 3 ай бұрын
Very interesting. As a "livingroom muic maker", I sometimes feel a little overwhelmed by the flood of music/production related information I can get on the tube and to tell what is exactly important for me to know right now. Maybe I should finaly invest some good money into one of your courses... Great video and thanks for sharing! ✌️
@RogerWarszawa
@RogerWarszawa 7 ай бұрын
Simply excellent 👌👍 Even by less than halfway through this video I had already sent myself the link to it, because I know for sure that I'll be referring back to all these tips a lot in the future. Thanks, Oscar, much love from Warsaw 😘
@grizzybass8082
@grizzybass8082 4 ай бұрын
Thank you very much.
@xrabbz2010
@xrabbz2010 7 ай бұрын
LP filter at 0:21 had me thinking my finger was over my phone speaker 😅
@kalmarnagyandras
@kalmarnagyandras 6 ай бұрын
This idea of thinking in octaves is really cool. This was real "lightbulb" stuff, and you explain it really well! You can use the dynamic feature of Fabfilter Q3 to replace the multi band compression if you want to decrease the number of plugins the signal goes through.
@Italliving
@Italliving 6 ай бұрын
Looks Like a Small Mastering Video here , Niceness, thanks for the extra extra effort Oscar, sounding good, chill vibe
@lostinfinchley
@lostinfinchley 7 ай бұрын
Dude that was brilliant advice, big love!
@vertigomusiccc
@vertigomusiccc 7 ай бұрын
Lovely way you have explained mixing process! Definitely reinforced things I've learnt since starting couple months ago in a much simpler way. Also more importantly you make mixing sound fun and link the musical octave side to frequency scientific side of prod which I think is super important! Have a good one mate earned urself a sub :)
@barrieabbott7946
@barrieabbott7946 3 ай бұрын
thank you so much for this tutorial ...👍👍👍
@williambrandon9660
@williambrandon9660 7 ай бұрын
your videos recently have been worded in an excellent manner. words matter and youre using them effectively kudos
@buenoaires
@buenoaires 6 ай бұрын
Really really nice Tutorial
@DielectricFailure
@DielectricFailure 7 ай бұрын
Oscar… these tutorials are awesome! Thanks again cuz my low end quickly gets sludgy.
@b00ts4ndc4ts
@b00ts4ndc4ts 7 ай бұрын
More of this content if you have the time please, this is so helpful and so important to understand. I love the theory, song structure and music development but the mixing and mastering is where I need to put more work in. Thanks so much ❤
@WolfGamingWoH
@WolfGamingWoH 7 ай бұрын
just what i needed, keep up the good work
@Drunk-on-Bleach
@Drunk-on-Bleach 5 ай бұрын
dude your track preview at 1:20 gave me super "shlohmo bad vibes" vibes rly nice
@Silent_Gaze
@Silent_Gaze 5 ай бұрын
so nice man. that's sweet.
@quantummonastery
@quantummonastery 6 ай бұрын
very helpful Great video!
@evanericson7070
@evanericson7070 7 ай бұрын
I could listen to that loop for hours! Great job, Oscar :)
@RhombicChthulhuSONIC
@RhombicChthulhuSONIC 5 ай бұрын
Haven't subbed for a few months but with all the help with music you have given just on youtube, I'd be damned if I didn't subscribe to your channel. Appreciate the vids I have learned a ton from them.
@theproductionpark8265
@theproductionpark8265 3 ай бұрын
Great video 🙌🏻
@arjanpetersen
@arjanpetersen 3 ай бұрын
I usually use voxengo span for this. You can side chain the vst with your reference track or material. And have both your and ref track are compared and shown.
@naed9music
@naed9music 7 ай бұрын
Another awesome video, thanks for the help!
@hettovennik2887
@hettovennik2887 7 ай бұрын
Great vid, definitely (one of) the biggest problems when producing in 'bedrooms' and esp for beginners, but i kept mixing too much bass for ages haha. All these tools we have right now in 2024.... 🙌
@onebrum
@onebrum 7 ай бұрын
Oscar your tutorials are simply the best :). Happy new year 2024 !
@JamesWilliams-em2is
@JamesWilliams-em2is 7 ай бұрын
"Quantum Physics" is my new safety word...❤
@LookingInwardly
@LookingInwardly 3 ай бұрын
Very helpful video, many thanks! 🙂
@AgentOrangeTheDJ
@AgentOrangeTheDJ 6 ай бұрын
Another banger video man, tnx
@Sanny.V
@Sanny.V 7 ай бұрын
One of your best videos, great job Oscar!
@bombeijo
@bombeijo 7 ай бұрын
Super nice video, wasnt aware that the tonal balance could solo the specific frequency/bands. Thanks for sharing the knowledge as always! 🙏
@GuayusaPure
@GuayusaPure 7 ай бұрын
Im not in that music style you do, but I always enjoy the approach and explanation. I'm glad you are on 270k. Anyways you deserve more
@musical.shamim
@musical.shamim 2 ай бұрын
very good mixing tips ♥
@Shon304
@Shon304 7 ай бұрын
Love the sound of thia track! A bit of acid pauli style
@robertgarvansnyder4665
@robertgarvansnyder4665 7 ай бұрын
Really loving that track idea, Oskar
@marcus268
@marcus268 7 ай бұрын
what helped me is Eventides Equviate, it can learn a reference track EQ, and apply it to your mix. Problem with headphones for everyone is: too loud high frequencys, so your tonal balance is screwd, because you compensate with more bass. Better mix wirh low volume small speakers, imstead of head phones.Use these to even out the room.
@AcidCortex1
@AcidCortex1 7 ай бұрын
Bucket analogy FTW. Thanks Oscar :)
@PeterKiMusic
@PeterKiMusic 7 ай бұрын
Eye opening. Very much appreciated!!!
@zitronekoma30
@zitronekoma30 7 ай бұрын
2:16 "This is a plugin from waves" has iZotope logo on the top right haha. Good video tho, keep it up!
@OscarUnderdog
@OscarUnderdog 7 ай бұрын
Hahaha just noticed that before publishing and I facepalmed pretty hard.
@1stapproach
@1stapproach 7 ай бұрын
That would have been my smartass contribution, too, had you not been earlier!! 😀👍
@richtrelo
@richtrelo 6 ай бұрын
Always great content from you. Very well explained and nice bucket analogy.
@tonye9045
@tonye9045 7 ай бұрын
Nicely explained, Thanks very much.
@djbigpump
@djbigpump 7 ай бұрын
Awesome videos. Another gold mine of information
@rmatson
@rmatson 7 ай бұрын
Another great lesson! Thanks!
@Gino_567
@Gino_567 7 ай бұрын
Oscar im really vibing with that track. Can we get a track breakdown? There are some sounds in there i wish i knew how to make
@cavedwellersound
@cavedwellersound 6 ай бұрын
Learned so much from this one, thanks!
@wavedrive4451
@wavedrive4451 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for the quallity content! Keep it up! :-)
@philfiebz
@philfiebz 7 ай бұрын
The bucket-metaphor is brilliant. I noticed that this track has a pop arrangement. Maybe you could make a video about it, would definitely be interesting. Let’s go with “CamelPhat ft. Ali Love - Spektrum” and “Rodriguez Jr. - Pegasus” for today. Until next time!
@OscarUnderdog
@OscarUnderdog 7 ай бұрын
Definitely spending a lot of time thinking about pop music recently! I'd say expect to see more on the channel!
@kasperemil4351
@kasperemil4351 6 ай бұрын
Good video! Sick track - hope it gets released
@peterelfman
@peterelfman 7 ай бұрын
Another great tip and great video.
@davidpurple3698
@davidpurple3698 7 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot. Or another approach is to realized that you have the wrong sound in your chords and move them away from the 100 Hz area. Sound selection is an important factor as well
@stuartboldt8441
@stuartboldt8441 7 ай бұрын
always great. thanks. please keep up the excellent work X
@BeatMax2023
@BeatMax2023 7 ай бұрын
Very helpful video! :)
@andyholton7959
@andyholton7959 7 ай бұрын
Good education thank you 🙏
@PhilDanielsStorr
@PhilDanielsStorr 7 ай бұрын
What a nice video!! Thanks!!
@MarMoro777
@MarMoro777 6 ай бұрын
Great topics
@ElemuntDesign
@ElemuntDesign 7 ай бұрын
something ive noticed with low end is the more i take out the more powerful my track can feel, its a weird phenomenom, i think its something to do with the headroom being made which lets you push the master more, which in turn flattens the spectrum more when a compressor or limiter gets more room to work with.
@OscarUnderdog
@OscarUnderdog 7 ай бұрын
Definitely think you're right about that.
@FrankyDigital2000
@FrankyDigital2000 7 ай бұрын
Multiband compression and dynamic EQ is the key.
@DJAmpero
@DJAmpero 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for this insight into taming things. I mix and produce a lot with headphones, as I don't have the space allowance for a studio and i always find myself in a lowend bog
@larsegholmfischmann6594
@larsegholmfischmann6594 6 ай бұрын
This is really helpful for me since I often end up in that muddy bass situation. Now all I have to do is go back and do this on all the tracks I've made recently.... there's 27 of them.... yikes :D
@ottonelli_music
@ottonelli_music 7 ай бұрын
Love your videos man
@colinlaney-s9x
@colinlaney-s9x 7 ай бұрын
Best explaination ever ❤
@jonnjones
@jonnjones 7 ай бұрын
really cool! So far I've just been low cutting the bass on the intruments that clash with the bass/kick so it's good learn other techniques. Btw for those that don't have fabfilter Pro-MB you can use multiband dynamics in ableton
@user-bn9qp9xk1t
@user-bn9qp9xk1t 7 ай бұрын
super helpful 🙏
@Symbiosis-Earth
@Symbiosis-Earth 7 ай бұрын
Great video as always! I agree your way of presenting the information and the content you share is amazing. I noticed you said Tonal Balance Control is by waves when its Izotope. Looks like a great plug-in tho.
@mma4696
@mma4696 5 ай бұрын
well done. Keep Going 🐼
@a10aleks
@a10aleks 7 ай бұрын
Another awesome video! Oscar! I have also learned a ton from your videos! =)
@wm2922
@wm2922 7 ай бұрын
Great tutorial ❤
@ralfmoss
@ralfmoss 7 ай бұрын
It sounded really good before that last tweek 😅 Nicky explained, tnx.
@zodiacman587
@zodiacman587 7 ай бұрын
this is very good , thank you for the tutorial , did you release the project or no ? cause I think it s really good
@professorscrim5303
@professorscrim5303 7 ай бұрын
Fu*king love you Oscar!! ❤
@aphel909
@aphel909 7 ай бұрын
I quite like the track (loop).
@daudamusic
@daudamusic 7 ай бұрын
Very nice video! I was wondering, why don't you cut the low frequencies of for example those chords completely? I try to cut out all frequencies that the individual tracks don't 'need', why leaves room for the elements that should be emphasized in that frequency range. You seem to be a bit more moderate in your approach (bringing down the low frequencies of the chords rather than low cutting completely)
@marcus268
@marcus268 7 ай бұрын
with complete filtering the low end you kill the depth of your sound, try it, Oscar knows quiete a bit, its legit advise.
@TheParadigmShiftTV
@TheParadigmShiftTV 7 ай бұрын
Is there any cheaper plugin that does the same thing as tonal balance control? $200 USD is like 5 million Canadian dollars...
@anticontraband
@anticontraband 6 ай бұрын
very good vid 👌
@VPROXE-HELLRAISER
@VPROXE-HELLRAISER 7 ай бұрын
Or just use a reference track of your favorite genre. If your mixing at -6 dB max lower the reference -6dB put a lowpassfilter on and cut around 150Hz. Then use Span(free) to see where your reference track is hitting. Now adjust your bass accordingly.
@Macacos
@Macacos 5 ай бұрын
Small detail, tonal balance control is an iZotope plug-in, not Waves.
@NahTrust
@NahTrust 7 ай бұрын
thanks so much for these vids man, so helpful. Do you remember the name of that 90s techno track you did a video on recently where its just 31 8th notes of a guitar sounding note, then the 32nd note slightly off beat and has a slightly different pitch? Just super repetitive but the hook of the change makes you anticipate the whole way through. Sorry cant seem to find the video anymore!
@OscarUnderdog
@OscarUnderdog 7 ай бұрын
Renato cohen pontape i think! Its on youtube!
@NahTrust
@NahTrust 7 ай бұрын
@@OscarUnderdog that’s the one thanks!!
@fcfc
@fcfc 7 ай бұрын
I've seen somewhere the tonal balance boundaries are closed to the PinkNoise spectrum
@elmarhinz3076
@elmarhinz3076 7 ай бұрын
Important stuff. However for me EQ-ing is often a kind of fixing problems, that sit before. Why not moving up an instrument into the 100 or 200 Hz region? Or doubling it and then balance the loudness. I underline, what you already said, half of the range of the keyboard sits below 256 Hz. There is not just "bass". There are three different octaves at least. All should be covered by instruments. Wall of sound! Especially the range between 128 Hz and 256 Hz is important, as many cheaper "midrange" devices can still play these. There shouldn't be any rhythmic pattern, that only plays below. Overtones are not enough to express the rhythm, if the base is cut off . You already have this issue with the kick drum and you only hear the overtones on cheaper devices. When choosing the kick, it ideally needs to sound nice in the range above 200 Hz without the rest. And still fulfil its rhythmic function! I try to think like a classic orchestra first. They can't fix problems by EQ-ing. They have to control the sound by the right choice of instruments and loudness.
@HenningUhle
@HenningUhle 7 ай бұрын
Amazing stuff, Oscar. Some of my work sounds a bit wobbling in my car stereo. I think, exactly here is where I can change something. But, holy moly, producing music can be expensive. I'm always asking myself if those premium plugins are really required. If you follow some people on KZfaq who show you how to make this or that, they always tell you, buy this and buy that. Is there really no possibility with the stock plugins? I like the way you explain those topics. It's great how easy you can clean up your mix. Now, let's see if the stock plugins or the free plugins do the trick as well.
@OscarUnderdog
@OscarUnderdog 7 ай бұрын
Hiya Henning! Yeah you're right, I'm a bit annoyed I only showed a paid plugin workflow here. Alternative workflow could be: Solo the lowest band on the Ableton Multiband plugin! Then it's up to you to do that on a few reference tracks and maybe use a free loudness analyser plugin (I think Melda have one?) to see how loud that low end really is then. Then apply that to your own mix!
@HenningUhle
@HenningUhle 7 ай бұрын
@@OscarUnderdog Well, YouLean would do, too. But you are right, the Multiband thing in Ableton would be worth a try. Thank you.
@emjay9733
@emjay9733 7 ай бұрын
Good stuff!
@n1c3s43
@n1c3s43 7 ай бұрын
really great video! Too bad tonal balance control ain't sold alone anymore:/
@danieloberhoff1
@danieloberhoff1 14 күн бұрын
hmm, the compressor actually changes the dynamics. would that not matter for bass?
@PeanutButterAM
@PeanutButterAM 7 ай бұрын
Maybe I missed it if you had a specific reason, but it’s pretty much a hard rule that you don’t start with adding processing in the master of you have access to the individual channels when you’re “fixing” and issue (obviously buss compressors and such are different). This causes more issues. Thanks for the videos but this may be confusing some of the newer mixing buffs.
@2GooDProductions
@2GooDProductions 6 ай бұрын
Tonal Balance Control is an Izotope plugin not a Waves plugin.
@xgmode
@xgmode 7 ай бұрын
I’d rather use a dynamic eq instead of a multiband compressor to tame the low-end stuff, to preserve the phase.
@seansley
@seansley 5 ай бұрын
Would have HPF the chords track from the outset, it doesn't need the sub frequencies
@samprock
@samprock 7 ай бұрын
Bad a$$ ba$$ is important! Importantly not overdo it is a “challenge”😂 Right on!
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