*HEY GUYS. Well, this wasn't supposed to hit til Monday afternoon, but by the time I caught it, it had already gotten about 150 views in a few short minutes. So whateva. I guess this is my first Sunday upload. OH...and I can assure you, this video ain't goin' anywhere!* 😉

Best drum teacher in the neighbourhood... thank you so much!

Theres no wrong way. If it works, doesn't hurt and even sounds great go for it. Great stuff again Mr Beatdown

Ron--Buddy Rich had the greatest buzz roll there was, but did not squeeze... His index finger was off of the stick, and he used more of his middle finger. That allows you to have more of a relaxed grip. He also used a whip cream roll technique, scraping the stick across the head, not concentrating on one spot. I personally favor playing loose at all times. Pinching and squeezing leads to tension and injuries.

Rob, that 'pinch' is exactly how my former teacher, a veteran ex-big-band drummer, reconstructed my own buzz roll. So maybe you're less 'wrong' than you think! Works every time once you get the knack. Thanks for another great video.

Rob man, I’m so glad I found this vid of yours while looking for a more ‘formal’ approach to buzz rolls. Ironically I found out this exact same technique by myself while I playing around with some fast close doubles. I even adjusted the snare tension to see what more effects I could accomplish with this long buzz roll trick. Love your channel mate. Learned some great stuff from you in the past two years.

Tossing salad has three meanings now.

What a blessing to have drum teachers like Rob Brown. Very inspiring even after I apply this knowledge live in church with also a Yamaha drum set. Many blessings and subscribers to Mr. Brown so many can "beatdown" drums with love for God.

Watched this video day before my school winter concert and it helped so much😁

Dude...thank you so much! Been playing for 15 years, never once been happy with my buzz roll. Watched your vid, had a go - and it’s fixed. Still smiling that all it took was 20 mins of my day to fix this problem. Can’t thank you enough 👏

I honestly love your videos. Definitely the coolest drum channel on youtube!

Omg thank you sir. I’ve been watching a lot of vids and almost thought there was no hope. The pinch is so important. Thank you so much.

Black market approach ... love it!

I've been blowing through your videos (expecting several rewatches), and just wanted to express my thanks for what you're sharing with the world. Its been a big inspiration for me seeing how well you teach with basically no editing. Thanks for everything Rob, you're amazing!

I've learned more in a couple of your vids than all the other drum vids on youtube combined. You explain and show how to do it in a way that makes it seem so easy. Of course it still takes a LOT of practice to make it sound right but at least I can work on practicing and not figuring it out. Thanks...

I’ve had a problem with this forever. I tried you’re way and it worked fantastic! Thanks Rob

Yeah Rob,that pinch is a natural progression if you want to have a nice tight roll. That thing you got from Ed Shaunesy was a trick Buddy got from watching New Orleans drummers,Rich called it " the 'ol whipped cream roll". Where that name came from,I have no idea. No matter, it all really works. And thanks for the nice video on press rolls, it works.

Man, I'm glad to see those Carlock sticks are still hanging in there. Those sticks are a beast. Vic Firth represent👊 another great one Rob.

Kevin Parker does the pinch and he's the guy that got me drumming in the first place and seems to be quite competent on the kit... plus it works! I'm sold.

Great timing Rob! I’ve been trying to incorporate more buzz rolls in my playing. 6/8 always messes with me.

Hi Rob, Thank you please note that, as a classical percussionist and drumset player; I think this also works for orchestra rolls except when double stroke roll is needed. For classical works the style of music may also matter. Keep up your excellent work, I've learnt a lot from you!

Rob Thankyou, by complete default I have been pinching the sticks by accident & created the buzz roll! I thought I was doing it wrong. Until you came along! Thanks maan!

Great tips my friend, especially the pinch. As i was watching your hands on 2nd tip, was hoping you would mention the whipped cream movement to me is a must movement as you demonstrated 👏👏

thanks rob!! you (as usual) put it into a way i can understand. you rock bro!

Awesome video! Rob, you are a fantastic teacher. I too have tried doing the buzz roll the "traditional" way and have never been happy with the results. First time I did "the pinch," it was perfect! Thanks!!!! I really love your teaching style.

Thanks so much for the great tips! They really works! This video helped me to clean up my buzz rolls. Thanks!

I've enjoyed your videos so far, but when you formulated that you were looking for the "Retina display of buzz rolls", I subscribed.

Another excellent video

Thanks for that Rob. I found the circular motion thing on my own, and wondered if it was right. definitely gives a smoother sound....

this is REALLY similar to how I do "kit" buzz rolls... except that the only difference is I don't pinch, instead, I use my index finger, I make it parallel to the stick so that its going down the length pointing to the butt of the stick, which is a very minor grip change from my usual grip, and i press into the stick with my index. The fulcrum is still relaxed, even the index is relaxed, but I put pressure on the stick. This allows me to do buzz but also I can get really BIG strokes with it, and there's a little bit of a circular motion involved with it as well. So I can get really loud, pronounced, almost "strong double" volume and speed for the huge hits, and then bring the stroke closer to the head for those super fast micro-spaced notes you were talking about for the more moderate and low volume stuff, all with the same technique, which makes this GREAT to move around the kit. Works equally well on all surfaces from e-drums and cymbals to acoustic drums, cymbals, cowbells, woodblocks, etc. I would ASSUME that your pinch method would yield the same high volume results, as it seems to be practically the same end result, a tensioned stick that can still move. And the best part is, you don't have to modify the subdivisions you're already in for this to work in most cases, unlike the traditional buzz roll. But I totally agree with you that the traditional way certainly has valid applications and should be learned and used if the format calls for it.

Good stuff. Thanks!

This is exactly what I’ve been after! Thanks Rob........been practicing the buzz roll for literally years & it never seemed to get silky smooth........until now that is 😎

Wow! Great video! I’m finally starting to get it!! ~ Lisa (Kat’s mother-drummer).

Holy cow! This works! I cannot believe I’ve been able to achieve a real bounce, and NOT by holding the sticks loosely, which is what everyone else says

That's how I typically do my drum set buzz roll. Thanks for this!!

Hey.... Rob....Great job.. Fantastic explanation.....Rock on.. 👍👍

Great Video! I can do buzz rolls now! not just the snare but practice pad or the kitchen table. I'm also a prod owner of a Groove Responsibly t-shirt. I love it. It implies that if you let the Groove get out of control, someone may get hurt! :D

Great class, I was always confused between the difference between the double stroke roll & the buzz roll, now I get it Thanks man👍🏻🤘🏻🥁🥁

Hahaha the thumbs up at the snare...thanks for these tips

I've been trying to work in a triple stroke roll into a smooth buzz, but never as smooth as your "pinch" method. You got it going Rob, thanks for covering such a simple element of drumming.

Watching video from France, You are trully amazing

You just changed my drumming. Thanks!

Nice one! Dave Mattacks is (IMO) a great exponent of the musically applied drum set buzz roll. Check out his playing on Richard Thompson live at Rockplast.

Great video Rob. Been trying to do the 'proper' way for a while but this works straight off. Don't use it much so just happy to do something resembling a buzz roll.

Thank you! I feel better knowing that I'm not the only one who has been using this method!

That's great. You just taught this ol' drum dog a new trick ! 70 strong !

Thanks for "The Pinch, bruh! I have been fighting to get my buzz roll right for years... now I have the solution. Peace!!!!

That is a fresh groove! Could layer trumpets over that intro, that was cool. Always learn something from you my friend, thanks for putting out great videos.

Man, i ve been doing double stroke rolls...for years, and for me is almost impossible get a nice buzz roll sound. THIS is the biggest frustration of my life, by far. I´m going to try this trick and see what happens. Thank you so much Mr Rob.

Awesome instructional as usual! Helped me imediately get better

this dude is SO chill he like a refrigerator!!!

Rob, Great video as always. I know this was a couple of years ago, but still go back to these over and over. I like the reference to Ed Shaughnessy! Are you referring to the Burning for Buddy videos, I believe, produced by Neil Peart in the mid '90s? The video on the DVD is kind of raw, but some great--and interesting--drumming. They were all great, but it was my first intro to Marvin Smith. He's one of the standouts on that series for me. Anyway, great video as always. Keep up the great work.

This is great man! Joe Morello said in Master Studies that the pressure in the fingers differentiates the closed roll from the open roll, so this is spot on. Also, I REALLY love your kit!

😂 i'll stick with calling it "the old whipped cream roll."

Another great and SIMPLE explanation.

Super useful. Thanks🎉🎉

Rob,this is very helpful. Thank you!

I’ve always done that but I thought it was wrong..nice to know that I’ve been doing it right !

Thanks, Rob! I didn't know when I started playing that drum rolls would be so hard - I've found this technique to be much easier (especially with slow hands like mine). So thanks for confirming that even though it's 'technically' wrong, it doesn't matter b/c it works, it sounds good & looks good!

Awesomely great video

Thank you soo much!!!! This helped a lot

Amazing, man!!! The pinch rules!!! Great!!! I've been having problems with the press roll and this helps a lot. Thank you very much fot this information!!!

I was trained in percussion and this is what I do for buzz rolls; I even go to the edges whilst on drum set. I didn’t see anything “wrong” in your video, Rob. My only suggestion is for folks to try to smooth out the roll to where the strokes can’t be heard. At least that’s the goal. Cheers!

Super cool lesson.!!

I posted a comment already but I wanted to add, on a different note, the way your "beat-down pinch" sounds is reminiscent of how Elvin Jones' buzz rolls look and sound on the kit whenever you look at him playing. I wouldn't be surprised if he was also doing some sort of simple, yet effective, pinch technique on the stick, because his grip does not appear to really change when he's going between straight strokes and buzz strokes. One thing that in my humble opinion that Jones is known for, is the volume and intensity of his buzz rolls. To this day, I'm not sure exactly how he does it but that man can get LOADS of volume out of so many different types of stroke, and although he doesn't always look RELAXED, he doesn't often look TENSE either. lol. Just an observation.

Yo Rob, this is literally the best lesson and explanation available! I'm gonna buy a shirt Thanks !.

your approach isn't wrong that much with advance drummers as it make sense to make the good pressure for the good bounce I love the idea of pitch despite it shouldn't do with begginner due to their lack of control with pressure keep up the good work!

Great tip with the “pinch”. I will try it.

I've always done it like you and thought that was the correct way...

I love your approach and attitude, Rob, superbly done videos

I don’t know where I learnt it or picked it up from but that’s how I’d play a buzz roll already. I’d never analysed it before but the “pinch” is what makes it work!

so what's a good video for learning the "proper" way??

I know it has been along time sense anyone has posted hear but I thought this might strength the points made here. Especially about this being the "Wrong Way". I'm a big proponent on if it sounds right and the technique used works for you then it's good. If you get a chance to go and look at how Dave Garibaldi of "Tower of Power" does his buzz roles it seams like he does them exactly like Rob.

Great! Makes me buzzzzzzzz... finally. Thank you.

Awessome as usual🥁🤘🏻🙏🏻

Good advice, I would add one more (cheater) step. Loosen the snares on the drum 1/2-1 turn when you know you will be incorporating a roll into the performance. Sub-divisions have always been a problem of mine when I am wanting the roll to end at a particular part of a measure. David G. with Tower of Power is a master at laying a buzz roll in and out at exactly the right time, especially harder in slow ballets where counting is very crucial.

I actually just started developing my buzzroll and I use the same technique for it. Best regards

At the 4:17 &4:28 mark on Isaac Hayes song'Stranger in Paradise' drummer Willie Hall plays killer buzz rolls.I want to play that kind of buzz roll

Thanks for the tips because I've been struggling with getting a nice sounding buzz rolls!!!! Great lesson, simple and genious!!!! Going to practice right now with the new aproach!!!! (JR-PORTUGAL)

Great show !!!! Keep it going !!!

Very helpful,thank you!

If it sounds good, it's right. And your drumming sounds great, Rob.

Buzz is fine but those of us who dont use the match grip alittle extra thumb press on traditional grip left hand works well ,r hand ofcourse pinch the tube

Tight!!

“retina display of buzzrolls” the kinda phrase i was looking for

How’s this technique workout for crescendoing & playing louder buzz rolls? Great pointers here! 👌🏽🎶🥁

These vids are sick man, keep it up 👊👊😊

In our grade 9 band method book, the way buzz rolls are played is described as pinching the stick just before you hit the drum head. I don’t think you’re wrong at all, I think pinching is the way to go!

This is great, I found that my best, most even buzz roll comes with only the thumb and forefinger on the stick, the other fingers just seem to clog it up? I guess that's my 'Hack Buzz-Roll' ;-)

Quickest, simplest, most effective improvement in my sticking technique I can recall. Pinch. Toss the salad.

Finally figured out the buzz roll by playing on the edge of the drum

“When you’re pinching the stick, your strokes are microscopic” ~Rob Brown

Well... I just realized Ive been playing Buzz rolls wrong my hole life... But luckily is not actually "wrong" 😂

I want to be able to have that buzz going on in the background and then pop in the odd loud accented note at will. Do you think my sites are set too high ?

Trad grip for me is lopsided, any info on that would be highly welcomed

Great channel Rob. Have you ever watched Lance Campeau? He has a channel called the Cymbal Project, and he's in Montreal. Pretty cool stuff that I think you'd enjoy.

Hey, Rob! Have you thought of revisiting this for traditional grip? Would love to know your thoughts?

What about traditional grip? How does the pinch work in that instance?

this is the secret i've been waiting for!! thank you

yes!