How To PROPERLY Perform VW/Audi Haldex Service

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How to do a proper MK7.5 Golf R haldex Service. Doing a Haldex service is easy, and only requires basic tools. During this Haldex Service, we will also remove the Haldex pump. Cleaning and inspecting Haldex pump only adds a few steps to the haldex oil service. This Haldex service can be used on most MQB cars, MK7 Golf R, AllTrack, AWD Golf, Atlas, Tiguan, Audi A3, S3, TT
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~~~~ Steps for Proper Haldex Service~~~~
0:00 ~ How To Haldex Service VW or Audi
0:33 ~ Tools needed for Haldex Service
1:16 ~ Haldex Service Drain and Fill Plugs
2:19 ~ How To Remove Haldex Pump
3:13 ~ How To Clean Haldex Pump
5:13 ~ How To Install Haldex Pump
6:53 ~ How to Fill Haldex
8:03 ~ How To Check Haldex Fluid level
9:12 ~ Haldex Pump Basic Setting
10:00 ~ Final Haldex Fluid level check
10:38 ~ When is Haldex Service Due?
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@sinnaever 2 жыл бұрын

Great Video. I did my Haldex and DSG at the same time. Makes it easy to remember. My MK7R is also tuned and driven aggressively.

@WahlstedToronto 2 жыл бұрын

As a non VDUB driver I use this to perform the maintenance on my SAAB with a Haldex. Thanks Charles!

@milantopalovic4370 2 жыл бұрын

Great job. I repair haldex pumps, I'm not a mechanic but I occasionally worked in a workshop, very detailed work, all credit to that.

@antilogism Жыл бұрын

It's been 3 years since I last changed my fluid so I'm here for a refresher. Thanks! My manual on my 2015 A3 says 32 Nm on the drain and that both fill and drain plugs should be replaced. Pretty scary the dealer has no seals! Reminds me of Ford, when I went to the dealer for the then exotic transmission fluid for a scheduled change, the lady at the counter said they have none, have never ordered it nor had it in stock.

@RandomYoutuber1023 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. This applies to all newer 2016+ SPA & CMA volvos with AWD.

@fmp7408 3 ай бұрын

You seen like such a great guy , i can watch this forever. Bravo ! Greetings from The Netherlands

@brownah 2 жыл бұрын

Dear Charles, we NEED another series with Paul like the Scirocco one. Right. Now.

@JamiesGarage1 2 жыл бұрын

NOT like the Scirocco! 😜

@Jakiirr 2 жыл бұрын

PLEASE!! Yes we doooo

@Pjmperez01 2 жыл бұрын

I concur

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

We have some goodness coming

@MaxNakfoor Жыл бұрын

I was actually able to revive a dead pump by tearing it down and cleaning all the debris out. There was about 2/3rds as much debris inside the pump as caught on the screen. Going forward I will be disassembling the pump every time I do a haldex service. The internals are pretty simple, not many components and it only takes an extra 10 minutes. Just have to remove that last torx bolt on the face that the screen sits on. Be careful because there are some springs inside.

@graemet3035 2 жыл бұрын

I do like these specific VAG service vids. Thx Charles.👍

@LacDole 2 жыл бұрын

As much as I am afraid of VW vehicles, you almost make me want one! Great technical video!

@relaycampervan 2 жыл бұрын

I need to do this on my R estate, thanks for this great explanation. You my man, are a legend! Love your content.

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks rob!

@BS.Garage 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you covered the pump motor reset in VCDS! That was the magic sauce for my S3 Haldex service. Turns out my pump hadn't been primed after the previous Haldex service (before I bought the car) so I was running 2WD for a few years without realizing it.

@garyallman3039 2 жыл бұрын

My understanding (maybe wrong) is that this is not a required step -- you can just run the car for 30 seconds, then top it off. If you have a lot of debris clogging the screen, or the pump is replaced, it is good for the pump to be reset to the optimal pump current (would have been higher with blocked screen). Or maybe I don't really know.

@BS.Garage 2 жыл бұрын

@@garyallman3039 That could be the way its supposed to work, but mine went for a long, long time without the pump working. I bought the car with 37k miles, so the Haldex service was done just prior to my obtaining it. I didn't realize my AWD was not functioning until I got stuck on an icy driveway about 2 years later! When I did the next Haldex service at 65k miles the screen and fluid were both very clean.

@mjspeedzone5532 10 ай бұрын

Ya im going to do this but just run the car on and off 4 times. Nice for the vcds but I dont think its a requirment either

@-Firestorm 5 ай бұрын

obdeleven has given me a fault of “Haldex clutch control valve” anyone any ideas please?

@JamiesGarage1 2 жыл бұрын

Another great video! 🤘

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks brother

@FTG777 3 ай бұрын

Dude, your delivery and editing is top notch. Amazing job!

@julienpicard8510 2 ай бұрын

So cool to find so detailed and precious informations. Together with learning mechanic of my car, I train my english too. A big thanks for this m8

@oj4249 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this. So insightful. That startup too 🔥.

@DuperSuperDave 2 жыл бұрын

Really awesome job with great video and narration!!!

@conspiracyfifteensixteenth5756 2 жыл бұрын

Love your video's... I have done many repairs on my passat 3.6l by Watching your videos.. I just changed my Fan Blower relay and Heater core.. Now ,I have warm hair Circulating in the Cold winter Month's...I was driving with a Mr Buddy heater to defrost my windshield and warm my cars cabin..

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

maybe blend door issues?

@Renesyseanu 10 ай бұрын

This has to be the coolest video ever. Great job on that! Perfect!

@HumbleMechanic 9 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@Kamukix 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this, I always do my own work BUT decided I'd drop it off at the dealership to have the Haldex and both F&R diff fluids changed just to have a paper trail if I sell the car in a year or two. They did the F&R diff and I said I didn't see mention of the Haldex service and they said there's nothing on the recommended service schedule because they're the same thing lol. I didn't bother to press them and I'll just change it next weekend myself lol.

@robc5955 2 жыл бұрын

Had a mk1 Quattro TT and that was a sod to change the haldex fluid and filter on, still got the special spanner but alas not the car, this looked a lot more straightforward, other than the DIYers ever present problem of how do u get the car level and high enough to safely get under. Great vid as always.

@donbrashsux 2 жыл бұрын

Your VW service vids are the best Charlie

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@quattrolheads 2 жыл бұрын

Seeing the easy of service on the Golf R makes me slightly regret getting my B8 S4, regardless great detail in your videos and your car is still looking great! Good luck with the S4 you got btw!

@gardenst4398 2 жыл бұрын

I was waiting for such a video from a reputed technician👍....I have to do this on my Atlas

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

Sweet!

@ZurgESpacY 5 ай бұрын

Man... 4K/60 videos like yours ... pure plesure to watch !

@StephenCastelino Жыл бұрын

Very helpful, thank you! From Australia

@jeroenr36 2 жыл бұрын

Nice and clear video on Haldex Maintenance Charles! The Pump basic settings is not to prime the pump but to calibrate the pump. Without correct calibration the generated pressure scheme is not correct and you will have wrong pressures. Always do the calibration when cleaning or replacing the pump.

@dimitrisfilopoulos10 2 жыл бұрын

Hello. So even if I don’t change the pump, still need to calibrate it after the oil change? I would do this myself but don’t have VCDS so probably gonna have to take it to the dealer.

@Venezia1110 Жыл бұрын

In that case, should you do this mid-fill-checking as he noted, and/or is it important to recalibrate at end, when fluid is at correct level?

@jeroenr36 Жыл бұрын

@@Venezia1110 Since it's doing a calibration of the pump the level should be at the correct level!

@zukacs Жыл бұрын

By VW service manual its recommended and not mandatory. Car calibrates everytime you drive and will give error if not possible then you go to calibrate

@milanmackovic8396 9 ай бұрын

I have got VCDS but cant find the calibration,can somebody advice me how to find it, Thanks

@randomhobby3729 Жыл бұрын

amazing video! thank you!

@starnethotmail 2 жыл бұрын

Always really good information and pretty good view how is done. We are just missing a how to bleed brakes tho. One of the easiest things but tricky if u aren't that familiar with it.

@LastHumansGarage 2 жыл бұрын

I'm doing this on the S3 soon, thanks brother.

@user-xi9hz1fu9s 2 жыл бұрын

It kind of amazes me how this is almost identical to my 2004 A3 almost 2 decades later the same system is still used because its such a good one imo

@Romif_SK 2 жыл бұрын

Principle is similar but the difference between your gen of haldex and this one is night and day.

@Flobert90 Жыл бұрын

good video man, thanks for the vcds part

@allanramirez4275 2 жыл бұрын

Great video 💪🏻☺️

@mrbear1174 2 жыл бұрын

You are the man!

@westwasbest 5 ай бұрын

Great right to the point video, thanks

@bobsanders9500 2 жыл бұрын

Echo Mike TeeVeeDub. Great video Charles! I have a Golf 4Mo rally car with a vd Veer Engineering Haldex controller to lock the power split for rally stages. I'll do a Haldex service before the season starts next year.

@chrisfished 2 жыл бұрын

Sweet video dude! Great DIY!

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

CHRISFISH in the house!!!! Thanks dude

@BBBoiko2004 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video as usual

@InnovationDiscoveries 2 жыл бұрын

Nicely done!

@CharlesEstrategista Ай бұрын

This video is amazing. Learning about Haldex 😀, my name is Charles and I am from Brazil. 😊

@supergoat94 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! My S3 is due for this.

@JuanPerez-yy5hr 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video amazing VW master

@patkelly7999 2 жыл бұрын

Good job Charles:):)

@tomsmith6286 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant video

@jamesfurz7406 Жыл бұрын

Good guide!

@miguelnavasalazar1360 2 жыл бұрын

Exelente video super bien explicado ✌

@gsmecanica 2 жыл бұрын

Well done mate!

@misticdk Жыл бұрын

Thank you for video

@Alonsel3 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid mate pretty similar to older generations hey

@dancar02 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video. I appreciate. Please provide a video showing how to replace the ABS Sensor harness for the passenger side in a VW Passat 2016 - 1.8. Thank you.

@Stephenpikeman Жыл бұрын

I would have thought that if one doesn't change the pump or if one doesn't unplug the pump's electrical lead that as long as one pouts the correct amount of oil in within the correct temperature range, should be good to go. That is what I will be doing. Great video. Regards Stephen

@paulbotha2960 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Charles!, awesome fit. I do have a quick question, does the diff engage if all wheels are off the ground?

@F.S92 2 жыл бұрын

Charles, when should one do an oil flush? My car is 2.0TFSI CHHC Audi TT 2016, 56k miles and did all long drains (every 2 years or 18k miles). What do you think about engine flushers/shampoos like CASTROL ENGINE SHAMPOO?

@Rosellabassman 2 жыл бұрын

I noticed on my manual R when you push the clutch in you get about 4 amps or current at the pump. Wondering if that's enough to prime it, OBD11 wouldn't activate the pump for me on my 17'.

@saefhindi6184 2 жыл бұрын

Great video and very informative. But seen other videos were drain, clean pump, fill then start car and fill again. Is it enough ? Tx

@perianu55 6 ай бұрын

Nice bro.For everibody to understand 😀👍.

@trackingangle929 7 ай бұрын

Crisply well done! No wasted time. Excellent presentation! But you left out SAAB Turbo-X has Haldex too!

@borntokill158 2 жыл бұрын

Hello, please make a video for the DSG, Transfert box and rear differential!

@Fastcarsforme 6 ай бұрын

Many Thanks for this video as always! Have an issue with a 2016 Golf R and this will make things much easier to repair myself. Just wondering if anyone knows if I can get away with using the OBDEleven scan tool to check fluid temps?

@tramplibya9568 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video, is the same in mk5 R33..?

@Wolfpack310 2 жыл бұрын

Wow your pump looks clean. I have serviced a bunch of these and never seen one clean like this

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

I’m right at 25k.

@deciplesteve 2 жыл бұрын

Same thing I thought. I'm used to seeing something like gray play doh in the screen.

@s_________b 2 жыл бұрын

I did mine at 40k and my filter screen pretty much looked the same. Probably depends a lot on how hard you drive and how often you launch the car.

@Wolfpack310 2 жыл бұрын

our service schedule don't say anything about cleaning the pump. Just oil change. So we don't get the extra time for the cleaning but I do it anyway 🤪 The cars are getting a little old now so I have seen some totally blocked screans

@smagliszka1 9 күн бұрын

I wish my haldex to be so shiny and clean Great video anyway

@andyx181x Жыл бұрын

I need some advice on how to level my R in a driveway. All I got is Ramps for the front and generic jack stands with hockey pucks for the pinch welds. Should I try and use four jack stands or do a combo with the ramps?

@jarvi69 2 жыл бұрын

Love the channel! Can you do a video on cleaning the EGR for a 2015 VW Passat TDI or similar?

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

Good idea. My camera guy as a JSW TDI. So we might be doming more car diesel stuff soon

@Honda_CRF 8 ай бұрын

nice video! I want to replace my TT haldex oil soon, the rear wheels off the ground is a real must have?

@norbertopace7580 2 жыл бұрын

Hello! I understand that in addition to oil and pump maintenance, this system has a cartridge-type filter and I don't see them changing it. Because nobody changes this filter, I only saw 1 video that did it but did not do the maintenance of the pump. Thanks for the video!

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

That filter is only in older gen Haldex units

@norbertopace7580 2 жыл бұрын

@@HumbleMechanic THX

@Yahtzee9820 2 жыл бұрын

I have an 18 R with a DSG fast approaching 60k miles if you want to make a DSG service video😅. Would have been nice to have this video this time last year when I did my haldex service. Keep up the good work!

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

Filming that next week!!!

@osmandubleddelsass8995 2 жыл бұрын

Je regarde, toute vos vidéo depuis la France et c'est splendide merci à vous 👍 Dommage il n'y a pas la traduction en français

@Poanoofd 2 жыл бұрын

i liked the old style videos better, but the info is gold.

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

Tell me more about that. I’m alway trying to make things better.

@Poanoofd 2 жыл бұрын

@@HumbleMechanic i know you do. And i realise this way probably saves you tons of work. Maybe it will take some time to get used to. But at the moment the camera is moving a bit much and i feel its hard to watch. Other way i feel like this video is rushed. Normally you are more chill and take your time to explain. Now it feels like you are in a hurry to explain it the cameraman. But a again. I apreciate you and the work you put in ! Thx charles

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

That’s awesome feedback!! I really appreciate it. I did hire a camera guy a few months ago. He and I are working hard to find the balance of the old vibe, and something even better. Feedback like this is vital to getting the balance perfect. For real… thank you!!!

@AP9311 2 жыл бұрын

Glad that you have hired camera guy to free up your hands and get the job done without moving cameras in middle of the procedure/ job. It sure does help. But camera moving i don't mind, as I'm so used your camera being still in every clips. But if it helps, great! I'm all for it. It sure helps improve fluidly during the job. Hope you and him are on same page! I look forward to see more improved camera work :) here's feedback for you too.

@ProjectZGarage 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video I have a 2015 Audi Q3 and I think it needs this service. I don't feel like the rear wheel activate as fast as it should do you know what is the criteria is for the rear wheels to activate?

@alphameric 2 жыл бұрын

Something to note, the MK8 R rear diff is entirely different. Different fluids, different interval, and two chambers to fill. The last few generations of rear diffs have all been pretty similar, so that's worth keeping in mind/

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

Great point. ALWAYS FACT CHECK WITH YOUR CAR!!!

@jayvee962 2 жыл бұрын

My fill plug port has all the threads stripped out making it hard to tighten the fill plug. Other than replacing the entire rear differential, what would be my other options? Can I drill it and red thread it?

@sibzilla 2 жыл бұрын

Does OBDELEVEN have an AWD pump motor equivalent? While are are here, I used to always remove fuel pump fuse and crank starter motor to prime oil pressure after an engine oil and filter change without combusting. Is there an OBD11 equivalent for that?

@LastHumansGarage 2 жыл бұрын

hey should the basic settings make some noises like squeals and squeaks? mine was a bit loud.

@mariusnenu 2 жыл бұрын

That's great, Charles. Awesome stuff. Can you do a video on the MK4 platform for the generation of Haldex which drain plug = fill plug?

@andrewcannaert2179 2 жыл бұрын

Yes please! That would be awesome

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

Yes. I actually did one and had a memory card crash so I lost most of the footage.

@shinners8965 2 жыл бұрын

@@HumbleMechanic Sounds like an excuse to make some updated content on the r32

@robertpaul3675 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2018 traverse says rear clutch fluid is pentosin chf11s so this is basically the same as the haldex service just for a gm with pentosin instead am I right?(not planning to mess with pump just change fluid)Any help would be greatly appreciated

@xatoska 2 жыл бұрын

Mr HumbleMechanic! I planning to buy a 2007 passat vr6 3.2 petrol car with 4 motion what is the most important things to check before buying one?

@K777John 7 ай бұрын

Hi Charles, quick question for you-how the heck do you get the pump cable clip to release?? I just spent 2 hours under my 2016 Skoda Yeti-it was on a 4 post lift-and just couldn’t get the cable to separate, and neither could any of my buddies in the workshop either. The car has done 75,000 miles so I thought it would be a bit stiff-but no way could we get it to release…….I know it has a catch on the connection but couldn’t get that to move either. In the end I just refilled the oil and checked that the pump was running and will try again in the new year.

@jfb3567 2 жыл бұрын

Just did mine and also DSG service-it was a bit irritating, good thing my friend let me use his lift👍 The Haldex fluid is expensive, close to $30 or more in some places. Maybe it’s whale oil or something 😟 Mine was made in Sweden

@energyboy5696 2 жыл бұрын

Smells like fish

@judgedea8135 2 жыл бұрын

nice what box does the 19 golf have? the dq250 or later bosch one?

@colinconey8951 7 ай бұрын

Hey Charles, I have an intermittent electrical fault with my haldex, on my 2017 Tiguan, can you tell me the best place to start looking for the broken wire. many thanks Colin

@blamine5 Жыл бұрын

Hi friend, am pretty concerned about my haldex service, i just did it but i wonder if it can be damaged if it’s over filled it’s a haldex 5 gen , can you help me ? Does an over fill of 50 ml is bad ?

@m1schko 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid Charles. What about differential fluids in this generation AWD?

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

I think they are actually the same diff lol in different generations. But I always fact check that with the dealer

@blamine5 Жыл бұрын

Does over filling of about 50 ml hurts or make any damage to Haldex?

@lachlansmith452 Жыл бұрын

What do you do in terms of “activating the pump” if you removed it to clean it but don’t have the software/device? Do you need that stuff to remove and clean the pump to then set it afterwards? Only got hand tools…

@mathewjones5520 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, have done a lot of research on this most say you need to do a haldex relearn with vcds or equivalent, to adjust the voltage settings?

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

Need? No. It is however good practice

@eppyz 2 жыл бұрын

Isn't the front LSD in the MK 7.5 GTI made by the same company or is it made by Bosch?

@user-yp6fz7ox7l Жыл бұрын

Hey, my gearbox DSG6 oil was changed but the mechanic said that no vcds adaptation is needed . I heard from other guys that doing gearbox adaptation will improve the smoothness of my gear changes. Do you think it's true?

@erichuie3329 Жыл бұрын

Getting ready to do this on my 17 S3. Is there a difference between VAG fluid G020175A2 and G0201751MDSP? I bought A2 from the dealer, but i see 1MDSP listed on different parts sites.

@Robbz89 2 жыл бұрын

@HumbleMechanic I dont have any option in my AWD module to run the pump, all i have is some function for the haldex clutch and it seems like a Sequential test, but it does never let me continue to the "next" step it just stops after one press and the pump never runs. The haldex clutch works fine though and i have all wheel drive when i test drive the car. I have a registered official VCDS Hex-2. The car is an Audi S3 8p 2009 so its the facelift with Gen 4 Haldex. Is my control unit or pump busted, or am i missing something? :(

@slo.asf.s386 2 жыл бұрын

What about the front n rear diff need a good video on that

@milanmackovic8396 9 ай бұрын

Hi there What is the outer wires around two main cables? Is it important as I have noticed that it is broken

@Genghis-Jan 4 ай бұрын

Nice. You mentioned the pump won`t start if not started from the menu when taken out a second time? or did i misunderstand

@bamber119 Жыл бұрын

Hi our clutch pump is stuck solid, we haven’t taken the top fill plug out yet, we have drained out with the bottom sump screw but I put the bolt back in. Is it that I’ve pressurised the system stopping it come out by putting the screw back in too fast? Any ideas?

@MarioDallaRiva 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Charles. Where do you source the PigMats? We used to have them at Cdn Tire stores here in Canada but no longer.

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

I’m not sure if you can get them here amzn.to/2ZVWZKd

@LUCIASR61 Жыл бұрын

Hola qué versión de VCDS usas , porque mi versión no me deja hacer el aprendizaje de la bomba Haldex.

@Andrew-zv4fm 2 жыл бұрын

Not sure how I feel about the new style of filming with the camera moving around. But great that you are trying to something new.

@HumbleMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

Always trying to make videos better!

@orj77 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2016 Audi S3, when i try to floor it or launch it its 100% front wheel drive, even when i accelerate about 60% traction light blinks, is this the Haldex Fluid Pump failing? or do you know what could be the problem? please let me know asap because i need to service it and i don’t really trust the dealership much anymore especially where i live.

@MrJHoop 7 ай бұрын

Hey Charles i have a question about doing this haldex service can obdeleven be used to activate the pump and check the temp like you have done in vcds i would just buy vcds bit wound need to buy a laptop as well and like the idea the odb can just go in the glove box any help will be much appreciated Thanks