The usage of Matthew’s meme about 16 year olds reading the church fathers was epic 😂
@Testimony_Of_JTF5 ай бұрын
Something much more important than reading the Fathers that e converts often forget is reading the Bible.
@jonwatson32712 ай бұрын
I wouldn't assume any meaningful Christian would forget to read the Holy Scriptures over the authority of tradition or patristics.
@TheRealistDiscipleАй бұрын
@@jonwatson3271I agree. Of course the Bible is the just important writings for any Christian. But reading what the church fathers wrote can a lot of times help us understand what we read in the Bible. Interpreting the Bible isn’t always easy
@ReformedMunk5 ай бұрын
Brother Paul you are a blessing unto the church of Christ, keep doing yo thang. Have a blessed rest of Lent, and have a blessed Passiontide.
@TheOtherPaul5 ай бұрын
Thank you heaps mate
@813izrippin5 ай бұрын
The Muller homage was absolutely epic 😂
@thoughtfulchristianity5 ай бұрын
This, along with your work on 1 Clement, the Papacy, and early ecclesialogy is really good. They have been very helpful in my own research on an article I am working on, "Rhetorical Subterfuge in Roman Catholic Apologetics". Still in research mode, but very much in the works.
@TheOtherPaul5 ай бұрын
Thank you king, and keep me updated on that :D
@BlazedLizard36-a3612 күн бұрын
i think all Christians Catholic, orthodox, and Protestants should Read the church fathers bc of how important there teachings are to the church.
@peterricketts86455 ай бұрын
Fantastic summation. I already shared it with some friends. I'm grateful for your work as always.
@TheOtherPaul5 ай бұрын
Thanks heaps man :D
@secondguitarbug5 ай бұрын
This is super helpful as someone who isnt nearly as systematized in my approach to study historical theology. Thanks Paul!
@TheRealistDiscipleАй бұрын
Well said brother. This video was very helpful. God bless 🙏🏻
@KorahSons5 ай бұрын
Well done! Thank you for this excellent introduction.
@Convexhull2105 ай бұрын
AV here. Congrats on moving on up to 4.4k subscribers.
@JayPalOfficial5 ай бұрын
This is very insightful about the church fathers. Thank you for sharing!
@BibleFanatics5 ай бұрын
Haha your quote from Vincent of Lerins makes me think this is why we should use the KJV in our day. It is set in an older English whose defintions cannot be changed from that time and are set and clear. Whereas modern translations have to be constantly changed to keep up with changing language. Obviously this is a joke but I think it could be an application;) awesome video. Love seeing the ortho bros and catholics freak out and not even watch it yet feel like they can comment on it. I watched the whole thing and thought it was fair and balanced and did not favor protestants or any tradition!
@LaymanBibleLounge5 ай бұрын
Looking forward to watching!
@fist4064 ай бұрын
Thank you for what you do Paul.
@christopherlees11345 ай бұрын
An interesting and substantive video. Thank you.
@HowToBeChristian4 ай бұрын
Hey The Other Paul, I'd love to hear your response to our video on eating the Flesh of the Son of Man and drinking His Blood. I'm not sure where you stand on that issue.
@TheOtherPaul4 ай бұрын
Gday boss, there's one coming up within the next few weeks :)
@HowToBeChristian4 ай бұрын
@@TheOtherPaulCool! Keep me posted. I hope you’re doing well, man!
@fuuzug7774 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot! Really looking forward to your book. As a protestant I feel we have a tendency to downplay the church fathers and their wealth of knowledge. Instead of Sola Scriptura we have become Solo Scriptura. Keep doing what you are doing and I pray you continually grow in your faith. Much love from Malaysia
@marcuswilliams74485 ай бұрын
You mean to tell me that when I find one sentence in one work of one father in one era that seems to align with something the East believes, I shouldn't become Orthodox?
@waza9875 ай бұрын
Didn’t even realise you had a website despite watching many of your videos. If I buy a copy of your book will you sign it?
@TheOtherPaul5 ай бұрын
Didn't even think about that, could do that for promotion. Tho since it's self-published I'd have to buy them first then re-ship to people. They'd be more expensive that way.
@dbruh9365 ай бұрын
Another banger 🔥
@zackm56935 ай бұрын
Great content brother.
@katrionawolff34855 ай бұрын
This was so helpful!
@christianf51315 ай бұрын
Excellent
@Profeowentprs4 ай бұрын
Can’t wait for the book
@theodosios26155 ай бұрын
A great book that summarizes the church fathers is A Patristic Treasury by James R. Payton.
@Papers.Please.19175 ай бұрын
Can you please debunk John Henry Newman? He's often used as a proof for Roman Papism.
@TheOtherPaul5 ай бұрын
Maybe in the future.
@Norffcchippy4 ай бұрын
Impossible to debooonk Truth.
@maxten12375 ай бұрын
Great video, but I have a question. Should I start with bible before I read one of the fathers, or can they go hand in hand together?
@TheOtherPaul5 ай бұрын
You watched a 40 minute video in SIX minutes?!?! Jokes aside, they can go hand in hand together. It's always good to have time with just you and the scriptures and meditating on them, but reading with the fathers a great help too (so long as their authority is not overstated).
@maxten12375 ай бұрын
@TheOtherPaul Wait, you can see my watch time😭. Didn't watch to full video yet, cause I want to watch when in my car, but still a good video
@threeformsofunity5 ай бұрын
@@maxten1237lol you commented 3 mins after he uploaded
@threeformsofunity5 ай бұрын
@@maxten1237but he’s always got bangers so it’s safe to say it’s a great video wo watching it
@TheOtherPaul5 ай бұрын
@@maxten1237 haha nah you just commented 6 minutes after it posted.
@KnightFel2 ай бұрын
I'd love to see a video where you and Goy for Jesus dismantle the "Two-Part Romans" Theory going around. I think you should consider it!
@michaelturnage339527 күн бұрын
I'm a Protestant researching the Fathers. Are you Roman Catholic or Orthodox?
@TheOtherPaul27 күн бұрын
@@michaelturnage3395 Anglican actually :)
@oceanw998821 күн бұрын
@@TheOtherPaul guys I'm telling you he's one week away from being a papist
@hll97fr165 ай бұрын
I tend to be quite sceptical about your why reason given. I think that in order to be the fairer regarding a text, one should not looking something into it. One simply need to learn from the text regardless of where one stands initially or what one wants to demonstrate. However, a problem that can happen is the total disregard for the context of a writing and a "florilegium" methodology, that is both disrespectful toward the father, but also time waisting for you. Let the text speak for itself. Do not impose on it an objective. You are totally right saying that there is too many text around. Reading "the" father is completely impossible, and I simply laugh at people that pretend to have done it. But you can for example read one book of one important father of a council, athanasius for Nicea (Treatise on the holy spirit), Basil for Constantinople (Of the holy spirit), Cifyl of Alexandria (On the unity of Christ) etc.. Proceedings like that, might not give you the gotcha argument against X or X or X, but it will give you the global understanding of maybe one, two or three key authors. If you have liked one specifically, you can go explore his other works. Also REALLY important, and link to my comment above. Do not force the writing on your frame, and do not put the author on a piédestal. Read it like you would read any other men, not like you would read scripture for example. Let the author be free to express his thought, and be free to disagree. Otherwise, you will loose your sanity very quickly.
@alexandregb5665 ай бұрын
Dude, even with your video, I'm feeling kind of not confident if I will be able to find answers to my questions with that deep searching in the early church. I'm a poor guy, and I live in Brazil, so indexes, encyclopedias, and stuff like that are very expensive to buy. Do you know good online indexes or something accessible? Please, pray for God to help me find the truth.
@PatrickMunoz-ku3qi4 ай бұрын
Speaking as someone who lost his Protestant sympathies by reading the Fathers, I think what struck me most about reading widely in patristics was that the early church's concerns simply had nothing to do with the concerns of the Reformers. It wasn't so much that I found the counter-Protestant positions continually affirmed by the Fathers, but rather that the Fathers' concerns simply had nothing to do with anything the Reformers were talking about. This led me to realize that the concerns of the Reformation were highly parochial to 16th century Europe, and full of theological nova that were utterly foreign to the early Church. I think Protestants trying to read the Fathers for support of their positions are going to be even more deeply disappointed than they imagine - they will find a world of people who do not even care about their primary concerns, which were invented in the 1500's. My 2 cents for any Protestants wanting to get into Patristics.
@onceamusician540814 күн бұрын
why begin?? don't you believe in sola scriptura? the so called church fathers are as subject to scripture as WE ARE. moreover no one had more insight into the gospel at that time through being closer in time to Christ than we are. Just look at the things the letters in the NT spoke about. carnal minded ness and heresy are ALWAYS carnal mindedness and heresy , even when they occurred among the 12 ( as in Judas)
@Sicilianus5 ай бұрын
you begin with Saint Thomas Aquinas
@TheOtherPaul5 ай бұрын
Eh, maybe the Catena Aurea for finding commentaries.
@levijekkels8395 ай бұрын
Hey Paul, love you show. Are you a Orthodox Christian?
@TheOtherPaul5 ай бұрын
Thanks heaps man. I'm an Anglican.
@christsavesreadromans10965 ай бұрын
@@TheOtherPaulSo you believe doctrine which didn’t exist until the 16th century, and think that’s consistent?
@TheOtherPaul5 ай бұрын
@@christsavesreadromans1096 what doctrine didn't exist until the 16th century?
@christsavesreadromans10965 ай бұрын
@@TheOtherPaul Sola fide, sola scriptura, imputation (as opposed to infusion) of righteousness.
@TheOtherPaul5 ай бұрын
@@christsavesreadromans1096 Sola fide: 1st Clement 32. Sola Scriptura: Augustine, On Baptism Against the Donatists, book 2 chapter 3. Imputation: Epistle to Diognetus ch. 9.
@jenna24315 ай бұрын
Please explain why the guys who came even a couple of hundred years after Jesus are the Church Fathers, but the guys who actually spent that 3 years with him disappear into anonymity after a Pharisee named Paul hits.
@TheOtherPaul5 ай бұрын
What?
@theodosios26155 ай бұрын
@@TheOtherPaul She's asking why we never hear anything about several of the Apostles.
@ethanstrunk76985 ай бұрын
the epistles of peter, john, james, jude, the book of revelation...all written by paul?
@johnno.2 ай бұрын
Sounds long just read the bible and reject popery
@MrCharlesMartel2 ай бұрын
Your impatience in study and disdain for God's providential activity in the lives and works of earlier Christians is one reason why many fall into popery. BTW, aren't you that angry guy that not only attacks Catholics but also Protestants who don't submit to you?
@sleeaapАй бұрын
Laziness is a sin
@WisdomSeeker3695 ай бұрын
☦️🕊🔥📿🙏
@icxcnika77225 ай бұрын
The entire premise of the video can be summarized as a: How to quote mine the Fathers as a Protestant and make of their overwhelming catholic positions. Interesting.
@TheOtherPaul5 ай бұрын
No it can't, stop lying.
@chemnitz68345 ай бұрын
"He said the word Eucharist and mentioned bishops, he must be a Roman Catholic who affirms Vatican I!"
@icxcnika77225 ай бұрын
@@chemnitz6834 He said faith alone, he must be a Protestant! ..Yawn.
@icxcnika77225 ай бұрын
@@TheOtherPaul Not a lie if that’s what you build your platform on. But whatever helps you sleep at night.
@TheOtherPaul5 ай бұрын
@@icxcnika7722 yes it is a lie. Show me one place in my video where I tell anyone to "quote mine" the fathers as opposed to read in context and with honesty.
@michaelharrington66985 ай бұрын
Wow, your tone towards Catholic converts is quite disrespectful
@TheOtherPaul5 ай бұрын
It's not towards converts simpliciter, but those who (not necessarily of their own fault) convert through really poor research.
@KnightFel5 ай бұрын
The Roman gospel falls under the anathema of the real Paul. He would be much more harsh on Romanists than the other Paul is. And why wouldn’t he? Rome denies the gospel.
@michaelharrington66985 ай бұрын
@@TheOtherPaul Yeah, whatever you want to call it, it was quite disrespectful.
@ihatebigtechs5 ай бұрын
are you orthodox? i really like your video. i was needing a path to read the church fathers.
@SlovakLutheranMonarchist5 ай бұрын
He is Anglican
@boeloevanboeloefontein5 ай бұрын
He's Reformed Anglican.
@TheOtherPaul5 ай бұрын
Many thanks, and Im Anglican (with both Reformed and "Catholic" leanings)
@shobudski67765 ай бұрын
@@TheOtherPaulAs an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I presume you are directing this video towards the Western Protestant Churches.
@TheOtherPaul5 ай бұрын
@@shobudski6776 more or less, but others can benefit too