How to Ream a Lathe Tailstock - Repairing Morse Taper

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Maine Machinist

Maine Machinist

2 жыл бұрын

Using an MT3 reamer to repair a lathe tailstock on a Logan 6560 Lathe
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@johnyoung3103
@johnyoung3103 9 сағат бұрын
great video: Never thought of using the headstock with center, makes perfect sense. I have reamed my Chi/Com 13x40 several times with little success. will give this method a try before ordering new Quil.
@MaineMachinist
@MaineMachinist 7 сағат бұрын
Thanks for watching! I hope you get back with us and let us know how your situation worked out
@chris_sirhc01
@chris_sirhc01 2 ай бұрын
I agree,no power from live centre,only by hand when reaming this as this taper and anything under 7degrees(3.5 off of spindle axis) is designed for locking in place.1st light ream with dead centre taper extended and locked then halfway out and locked then fully retracted and locked to correct for misaligned.Surface Hardness maintained for 0.254mm or 10"thou of inch.Just under 40"/1.0mm.Make sure spindle bearings warmed up for less live centre clearances and lightest oiled cuts possible.
@martindennehy3030
@martindennehy3030 10 ай бұрын
S a previous comment said always make sure barrel and spindle are perfectly lined up first of all. I wouldn't be too worried about getting a full cut just as long as you get a perfect fit , always use oil and don't lock anything up, just get your arm behind it and keep a steady push.
@iiredeye
@iiredeye Жыл бұрын
As has been already mentioned it will be a simple operation to face off the end of the quill to reduce the ID down to a size that allows good clearance on your sleeves. But I'm just wondering if you aligned the tailstock to the best possible prior to doing this? In my opinion machines of this age are nearly always worn and the tailstock will be below the centre line of the spindle and require shimming. In which case you will be cutting a new MT seat at an angle in relation to the spindle. I would check this before you go any further. Personally I'd clock the outside of the quill now and verify alignment as best as possible, then I'd ream until fully cleaned up and then face off as much as needed. It'll probably only be a small amount. Look forward to an update.
@MaineMachinist
@MaineMachinist Жыл бұрын
I mentioned in the video that before doing this you need to make certain the tailstock is dialed in, including checking for height, because most old lathes tailstocks require shimming
@iiredeye
@iiredeye Жыл бұрын
@@MaineMachinist Apologies, I must have missed that. Looking forward to new videos :)
@MaineMachinist
@MaineMachinist Жыл бұрын
@@iiredeye no problem! It was just casually mentioned about half way in, but you’re absolutely correct on everything you mention! It could easily be messed up if everything isn’t checked!
@MaineMachinist
@MaineMachinist Жыл бұрын
Thank you for commenting!
@kentuckytrapper780
@kentuckytrapper780 Жыл бұрын
I made both my old sebastian lathes mt 5 they were mt4 but had alot of ware. Great info thanks. New subscriber.
@MaineMachinist
@MaineMachinist Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for watching. I’ve now had the chance to test this repair and it’s working perfectly. It hasn’t slipped since. Thank you for subscribing! Much appreciated!
@SpatialGuy77
@SpatialGuy77 Жыл бұрын
Surely mounting it and dialling it in a on a 4 jaw would be more precise and assist with alignment also. Also, VERY accurate headstock alignment would be crucial BEFORE this. Cheers, Michael 🇦🇺
@MaineMachinist
@MaineMachinist Жыл бұрын
You’re more like to introduce error by mounting it in a rigid setup like a 4 jaw chuck. You have the it backwards. The way shown ensures that you’re following the original taper itself and not introducing new positioning through alignment error or other mistakes. The goal isn’t to produce a new taper. It’s to remove burrs and damage while waving the existing taper as intact as possible. Hence the bluing.
@MaineMachinist
@MaineMachinist Жыл бұрын
Also, the video instructs people to properly check the alignment not only on the tailstock adjustment screws themselves but also in the height of the tailstock to ensure shimming isn’t necessary.
@hilltopmachineworks2131
@hilltopmachineworks2131 Жыл бұрын
The MT5 on my new to me Jet lathe tailstock quill is pretty rough. I need to see if I can save it with a reamer. Thanks for the tips.
@MaineMachinist
@MaineMachinist Жыл бұрын
Good luck! I think if you check everything first and proceed with care, you’ll have a great result! Thanks for watching!
@joshonthetube
@joshonthetube 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation. I had to do a bit of this on my own lathe, and I used the same basic approach. In your case, if you had to ream deeper, and you started to run into issues with the tooling hitting the end of the tailstock quill, I imagine you could chuck it up and machine a little bit off the end, to regain at least some of that clearance.
@MaineMachinist
@MaineMachinist 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t see why you couldn’t face the end of the quill a little bit if you had to
@jasonhull5712
@jasonhull5712 Жыл бұрын
I have a tail stock that needs cleaned up. Dialed in the TS and bought two new MT3 reamers, set it up the same as you did but I am not seeing any chips ? It’s like it just scrapes and doesn’t cut ? I tried the roughing reamer first, then the finish reamer once it felt smooth. I can still feel the gouges in the tail stock. I am going to chuck the reamer up in the four jaw next and try to run it at 75 RPM’s to see if I can remove some material. The quill is cast iron and polished I do believe. Also I have a second machine (identical) that was missing the whole quill assembly. So I machined a new one out of 1144 stress proof and it needs the taper cut in the end. Would you recommend using the reamers or cutting it in with a boring bar then just the “finish reamer” ? I’m ok if I need to face the end but It just doesn’t seem like it’s cutting. It did improve the fit and the tooling is definitely more secure. It no longer requires slamming it in to seat. It just locks in. But it looks terrible and like I said I can feel the groves inside the taper. I wanted a full new machined taper that is smooth and clean. Also I noticed it only makes contact at the very front on the quill. The back of the taper isn’t really getting touched. I checked the handbook and it’s definitely not supposed to be like that. I’m not a pro, and I’m not a beginner, but I don’t have much experience with cutting tapers with reamers. I’ve always used reamers as a last pass kinda thing. How much force are you putting on the tail stock quill when cutting by hand ? Should it be hard to rotate the reamer from the tension placed on the quill? Sorry. Didn’t mean to type out a ten paragraph comment. Thanks for any reply’s.
@brentdavis4867
@brentdavis4867 2 жыл бұрын
if you go too deep you can face the tail stock
@MaineMachinist
@MaineMachinist 2 жыл бұрын
That’s true, I don’t see any reason why you couldn’t face the tailstock, but I’d rather stay on the conservative side and not need to do that.
@jsteifel
@jsteifel 2 жыл бұрын
@@MaineMachinist keep going, get the maximum amount of contact. you will only have to face a small amount off to get it back. And remember each taper will seat at a different spot anyway, you will have some with more stick out, and some that bottom out and you'll need to face it anyway.
@brentdavis4867
@brentdavis4867 Жыл бұрын
@@MaineMachinist that is fair but an option some may not think about
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown 10 ай бұрын
well Hiltz.......I am needing to do this on a 1942 South Bend 13......were your reamers high quality or import inexpensive ? cheers from Florida, Paul
@charlesstaton8104
@charlesstaton8104 Жыл бұрын
I had this issue with the internal taper on my spindle (previous owner seriously damaged it) and I did the same operation you demonstrated, but with the reamer pointed the other direction. I was aware of the engagement depth changing and I was measuring it as I went, but I kept going until I had a usable taper inside the spindle. That put my engagement depth a half inch into the spindle bore. Now I can use draw collets (where previously I couldn't use *anything* ) - but that's it. Unlike with the tailstock I can't just face it off. What would you do (going forward, not in retrospect) in this situation? Right now I'm contemplating going even deeper with the reamer, as far as it will go, then pull a MT3 blank out of the freezer and drive it in hard, and then bore out the blank and turn it for MT3, ream it to the proper depth. Basically a permanent sleeve repair.
@MaineMachinist
@MaineMachinist Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I’d probably look for a replacement spindle if it’s on an older machine and easily replaceable. These Logan Lathes have a strong parts support and I know I could find one if I needed to. Other than that, you could attempt the repair as you described, but turning the taper would be very difficult to do while maintaining the surface finish necessary to have a really good result. Those operations are better off ground than turned. The reamer in an ideal situation is just a touch up remedy. Sorry it took so long to respond. Have you made any decision as to what you’ll try? At this point I suppose the spindle isn’t going to get any better, so why not attempt a repair with the backup plan of replacing it should the repair not come out to your expectations.
@charlesstaton8104
@charlesstaton8104 Жыл бұрын
@@MaineMachinist Thanks for the reply. I've not done anything yet, life keeps happening. But I've thought about it enough to reach same conclusion. I will try the sleeve repair that I described, and I will grind the taper - This gives the perfect excuse to make a tool post grinder.
@MaineMachinist
@MaineMachinist Жыл бұрын
@@charlesstaton8104 let us know how it goes!!!!
@charlesstaton8104
@charlesstaton8104 Жыл бұрын
@@MaineMachinist will do!
@dfpolitowski2
@dfpolitowski2 Жыл бұрын
No oil?
@MaineMachinist
@MaineMachinist Жыл бұрын
A 10wt oil was used
@snicks50
@snicks50 Жыл бұрын
That's a great way to destroy a good machine for sure.
@MaineMachinist
@MaineMachinist Жыл бұрын
Do tell, most wise one.
@MaineMachinist
@MaineMachinist Жыл бұрын
This is standard industry practice. Im surprised you’re unfamiliar with it - maybe you just don’t have much experience in the trade.
@SpatialGuy77
@SpatialGuy77 Жыл бұрын
G'day Snick, I'm actually really interested in your comment. Can you explain why it's bad please, I don't want to go and F any of my machines or gear. Cheers mate, Michael 🇦🇺
@MaineMachinist
@MaineMachinist Жыл бұрын
@@SpatialGuy77 if you watch this video carefully and do exactly what is described, this is the correct way to repair a damaged tailstock taper. Take special care to make sure the tailstock is in alignment with the headstock before beginning, and check the tailstock to see if it needs to be shimmed first. To do that, place a dead center in both the spindle and the tailstock and use an indicator to see if the heights are the same. Most tailstocks on old machines need shims
@SpatialGuy77
@SpatialGuy77 Жыл бұрын
@@MaineMachinist Yeah I got all that, but I wasn't asking you... Of course you are going to say your way is the only way, maybe it is, but other opinions are important too so give Snick a go champ. Cheers, M🇦🇺
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