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@swordandshield Жыл бұрын
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@orsettomorbido4 жыл бұрын
I would personally like to see this a normal speed, with the other person not being still.
@benjones17174 жыл бұрын
I watched one of your older vids which had a normal speed fight in it. I so wish movies, and shows had real fights like yours instead of what looks like children bashing each other with sticks. Excellent research and demonstrations.
@swordandshield4 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@Kawaiko134 жыл бұрын
Hi I am from Belarus and have been engaged in the reconstruction of the Viking Age for many years. And fencing. We have seen your video on the subject of fencing "Vikings" many times And we have three serious questions. If you will. 1. Why do you take the manuscript i33 as a basis? ;)))) But he is several centuries later;) 2. There are a huge number of Sagas (Iceland and not only). And there are described a huge number of fights, fights and battles. Why do they very accurately describe the actions of people there, but you do not have this in the study? 3. And why you do not have a demonstration of fights with opponents who do not work on your "system". And they work, as, for example, described in the sagas. That is, they want to hit, they keep their distance and much more. From these training fights with a slower speed with an adversary who works in the same way, it’s completely impossible to understand the effectiveness of the technique that you offer as a “Viking fencing technique” Thanks. Makar (ps sorry for bad English ((
@swordandshield4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your questions. Here are my replies: 1.I have actually, for many years, not considered I.33 being any help with reconstructing earlier sword & shield systems. However, having examined many original artifacts over the years, and having progressed considerably with the reconstruction of I.33, I have come to the insight that there are crucial commonalities, and there even is according evidence for continuity (not surprisingly, really!) in earlier sources, some dating back to the 9th century (take a look here, for instance: www.patreon.com/posts/i-33-to-in-foot-21497215 ). 2. The Icelandic sagas, even though describing events set in the Viking Age, were only written down some 200 years later. I find the descriptions of violent encounters very interesting. However, they are not at all contemporary. When it comes to fighting details, they probably tell us more about feuds between 13th century Icelandic farmers than about the Viking Age. 3. I pressure-test my fighting skills against people from all sorts of backgrounds all the time, and you are welcome to join them. You can also always find me at the Berlin Buckler Bouts. Come and find out yourself, would be a pleasure. You would not be the first ones. However, I usually do not video-record such sessions for two reasons: Those fights tend to make the other party look clumsy or foolish. The encounters are usually short and not particularly appealing to watch. I will not present such material to prove my point. In fact, I do not have to prove anything to anybody. I am only interested in improving my skill at arms and learn more about historical swordsmanship. Hope this helps. All the best, Roland
@Kawaiko134 жыл бұрын
@@swordandshield Greetings. Thanks for answering. I looked through your link - there is nothing about fencing in the 9th century) There is an illustration from the Psalms, but you! you see in it (and speak only about it) a certain medieval gait. And on the basis of this, we conclude that the fencing of the 14th and 9th centuries is similar. This is a VERY controversial statement. And a very weak source, though. (I am a history teacher by education and am familiar with the program of "analysis and criticism of sources") That's right. Many Icelandic sagas describe exactly the events of 9-10 centuries. Moreover, some of them, with great historical and chronological certainty. Why do we exclude the fact that describing combat situations, they described them as characteristic of the 10th century (for example) I saw fights from Berlin Buckler Bouts) There you do exactly the same thing and your opponents do not try to fence with you in a different manner. So - alas - this question remained unanswered) Of course, I understand your position. You are a renowned researcher and fencer. Therefore, even in our community they are so interested in your work)) But in the scientific community it is accepted that when you popularize a thesis, sometimes you have to "prove" it))) Respectfully! Makar
@silver_tongue96444 жыл бұрын
@@Kawaiko13 id like to see this guy pull this off when some one is trying to close the distance and punching with there shield
@Kawaiko133 жыл бұрын
@Chris Miller Hello I also studied and was a history teacher) I know very well about criticism and analysis of sources. And also, I know that the practice of using sources that are several centuries older for earlier periods is doubtful. Moreover, there are text sources of the 10th century. With descriptions of battles. And there is no such "system" in them. And also, I have been practicing fencing in various forms for 20 years. From the Viking Age to HEMA on different weapons. We have made experiments several times, where I, or my opponents tried to fence on the basis of the I33 manuscript with replicas of shields and swords of the "Vikings" against an opponent who did not fence in this tradition. But he tried not to give the opportunity to such actions. beat in openings and stabbed with a sword. And none of the experiments have yet ended in favor of Roland's theory. The opponent who does not lend itself to such a "game" won in all cases. Practice and theory are different things ( Best regards.
@Kawaiko133 жыл бұрын
@Chris Miller Thank you for the discussion. I will answer "from the end"))) And in parts. About training weapons. In ancient Russian archeology there are finds of wooden children's swords. Which repeat in their shape steel swords. This is already an indirect confirmation of the fact that they were taught to fight from childhood. True, what was the form (play or something else) - it is impossible to say (
@SirFrederick4 жыл бұрын
So, Tai Chi with a Schielhau. Nifty
@richstone26274 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Wengier154 жыл бұрын
I don't really see how this works as you expose yourself and your weapon hand is away from the enemy.
@siestatime46384 жыл бұрын
When they switched sides, you could see that the opponent's sword was trapped between the shields. I don't know how effective it would be against a noncompliant opponent, but it works in this demonstration.
@5chr4pn3ll4 жыл бұрын
@@siestatime4638 I mean even if it is trapped, all the opponent has to do is to pull the blade back and out. That would also help the blade up in a protective guard. I see this as a dangerous move. The opponent gets access to your shield arm, and your sword arm is away from the opponent. You do get out of the situation though, but you can also get out by taking a step back so not sure if it's useful.
@peterspatling31514 жыл бұрын
@@5chr4pn3ll but by doing so you are giving up the centre to the opponent. So he will dictate what is going to happen next. However since he is now on top anyway you already have lost the initiative. ^^
@alexanderbrayman54834 жыл бұрын
@@peterspatling3151, also real shield is kinda heavier than training ones, that they use. If you step back, most likely, opponent will need to step forward to regain balance, so his next move will be predictable.
@swordandshield4 жыл бұрын
@ Alexander Brayman: Which "real" shields are you refering to?
@bennettfarmer34824 жыл бұрын
Hi, I love your work. Is the stitching pattern on the edges of the shields in this video based on historical examples, or is it speculative?
@swordandshield4 жыл бұрын
No stitching as such remains on any shields, only holes near the edge with some finds, e.g. the Gokstad ones.
@bashkillszombies4 жыл бұрын
Speculative. And impractical, just as the 'lesson' was.
@rubinbegeja2 жыл бұрын
I don't know if his reconstruction is right or wrong, but his cautious approach to me make sense if you are going to use sharp swords. Anyone who is not convinced by his approach and call it dance can prove and produce his/her approach and all of us can see how it can be done without being cut by the sword of the other. Someone here went to the point of saying that these masters og Middle Ages have not partecipated in real combat. I don't know for others but to me this is akin in believing that Santa Claus exist by real
@anglosaxaphone672 Жыл бұрын
hey I love what you have done in your reconstruction of shield combat (especially the kite shield). but one thing that confuses me with your interpretation of viking combat is the viking sword. the viking swords usually are very choppy and cut-friendly blades, from the reconstructions I have seen of them and their general shape.
@greyareaRK14 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure how moving to the left is less dangerous than shifting to the right? It looks like you are exposing yourself. It seems like a better advantage can be had by shifting and closing to the right as it keeps his sword away from the action, allows shoulder and arm to reinforce the shield, and provides a tactical advantage for your sword. (I'm a noob here, so asking not challenging.) To counter, the opponent would have to turn as well (and you'd be controlling the action), or disengage to reduce exposure.
@hunterthomas85794 жыл бұрын
Are there many differences between the Norse styles of fighting and the early Anglo Saxon with sword and shield?
@johan.ohgren4 жыл бұрын
I think that's very hard to know considering how few sources there are. It will likely end up in hypothetical "I think..." and "what if's..."
@anglosaxaphone672 Жыл бұрын
I for one would love to see a reconstruction of Anglo-Saxon combat.
@nathancole66784 жыл бұрын
are those shield all plank construction? or plywood?
@swordandshield4 жыл бұрын
Planks.
@noahrosz39028 күн бұрын
Hear me out isr a Spier and shield
@o.k.29684 жыл бұрын
That's really smart.
@silver_tongue96444 жыл бұрын
You’re trying to fence with Shields That’s stupid You see this kind of thing in unarmed martial arts as well They trained with compliant opponents This allows you to make up the whole techniques that are entirely useless This guy is obviously done the same thing I would be very interested in seeing him try and pull this technique off successfully in fight with someone Who isn’t cooperating
@alexandercocke23033 жыл бұрын
He does... in several other videos
@silver_tongue96443 жыл бұрын
@@alexandercocke2303 can u link me to them? Which technique dose he do?
@tanegurnick50714 жыл бұрын
You don't know. I could do a video and say that is the way they fought. I would have more credibility too considering my ancestors only gave up close quarter weapons in the 1860s. And that my tangata still practice the warrior tradition. But nice try. I think you are wrong in your assumption. Way wrong. Fighting for your life in battle is not about finesse or beauty. Its about murder and eating the heart of your enemy
@2adamast4 жыл бұрын
In battle you’re more there to get killed than to kill (Pareto’s 20/80). Where training is mostly about finesse as brutality is short lived for most. Here we still got a close quarter cavalry charge in 1914, I dont know exactly where they came from but it could be close to his part of Europe.
@tanegurnick50714 жыл бұрын
@@2adamast you heard of the Maori battalions bayonet charge in the battle for 42nd street in Crete? My grandfather was involved in that. The killing was so thing that the dead didn't have room to fall down. That was 70 years ago
@Cavouku4 жыл бұрын
I understand that this looks like it's all finesse, but that's largely a product of training for maximum efficiency. It's similar to doing form training, katas, even shadow boxing in martial arts. You do them with as much grace and finesse and precision as possible. First train for accuracy, then for speed and power. Not so you can replicate that finesse in the fight, but so you don't end up just flailing when things go wrong. Essentially, you're training to reduce your margin of error. You won't box like you shadow box - you won't even spar that well - but by having this layer of finesse in your muscle memory you prevent truly abhorrent diversions in form.
@2adamast4 жыл бұрын
@@tanegurnick5071 Only the _42nd street_ musical, must have been commonwealth humor.
@tanegurnick50714 жыл бұрын
@@2adamast Australia  New Zealand GermanyCasualties and losses52 killed or wounded280 killed, 3 captured The Battle of 42nd Street (27 May 1941) was a battle fought during World War II on the Greek island of Crete The charge resulted in the Germans retreating over 1,500 metres (1,600 yd).[8] Over 280 Germans were killed and three taken prisoner; 10 Australians from the 2/7th were killed and 28 wounded, while the Maori Battalion suffered a further 14 casualties.[12]
@bashkillszombies4 жыл бұрын
All this fanciful fuckery with shieldplay irks me. I come from (real) competition fencing though so I tend to really get irritated where modern 'HEMA' and straight up LARP cross paths. In an actual brawl if someone is that over extended with their shield you'd drop yours, grab theirs, drag them off balance and fuck them up in a second flat. I get that you've seen this in some old manuscript - but the people who wrote those manuscripts had limited experience in actual fighting, most taught and observed and maybe had a small military history as officers. Your common sense and physical interaction should tell you that over-extension is absurd and a fatal flaw.