How to Reduce Shop Vac Noise by 50%

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This video will show you how to use common materials to reduce the noise of a any load shop vac.
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@scottmarshall6766
@scottmarshall6766 4 жыл бұрын
I don't get all the negative attitudes here, you've identified a problem we all have, and proposed a solution. Thanks for making the video. When I'm paying an engineer (I am one BTW) to solve a noise problem, I'll get snarky if he's off base. Since you made a video to try to help me, I'm going to say "Thank You" Your free proposed solution is more any naysayer have done to make my shop a better place. Her's my contribution to the project, for what it is worth. I spent a lot of my professional life building industrial equipment and factory equipment. Workplace safety and comfort play into much of creating a productive and pleasant place to work. Uncomfortable people don't do good work, and get hurt more than those that are happy at work. Here's a bit of what I learned through the years of designing machinery that people have to work with. I think it explains why your system works better than you would think, as it doesn't reduce motor noise etc. Db is complicated. I'd give you a pat answer, how much quieter your muffler makes the shop-vac, but I'm afraid there just isn't any. Suffice it to say your improvement is significant and will make working around a shop vac less unpleasant. Loudness is perceived and subjective. The qualities of the offending sound factor into it's level of irritation as much as the energy it contains (Sound Pressure Level - also expressed in db). The surroundings effect it's characteristics, so the shop-vac outdoors is less unpleasant outdoors than it is in a shop with objects reflecting the sound back at the listener. The total energy contained in the sound is the similar, but in the indoor case, the effect is much more annoying due to it's physiological and psychological effects on the listener. There is an entire field of study dedicated to the subject. Sorry for the wordy explanation, but there's a lot going on when it comes to industrial noise control. What it all boils down to, is that your solution is effective not necessarily because it reduces the sound energy (which it most certainly does), but because it reduces a lot of the high frequency air noise, a type of noise that is particularly unpleasant to most people. This is the noise that bounces around a lot indoors and thus contributes more than you would expect to the unpleasant character of shop-vac noise. For example, the old fingernails on a chalkboard noise carries very little energy, and is far from dangerous, but is very high on the irritation scale. Thanks for your work making this video, I enjoyed it, and it gives me a few ideas on how to improve my shop. Subbed.
@sermexflomex1423
@sermexflomex1423 4 жыл бұрын
Scott Marshall I hate noise when I’m working. Especially if I have to talk to people. I can’t understand how people let truck’s engine run in the job site for no apparent reason.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that incredibly thoughtful comment and helping to improve our overall knowledge. Of course thanks for watching.
@YannickRoy76
@YannickRoy76 4 жыл бұрын
I’m curious on how you’d go about to muffle even more the db?!? I’ve seen many attempts it with muffler type enclosure and put the shopvac inside and I founded that was the most effective way. But I’m a little afraid of overheating the motor! I’m still open to other ways of doing it!
@grancito2
@grancito2 3 жыл бұрын
You are not much of an engineer, I bet you would make a muffler for a car by stuffing rag up the exhaust pipe.
@wrstew1272
@wrstew1272 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for giving a well thought out and informed response. I see far too many snarky reviews on videos of people who really do spend time passing along ideas for people who might have needs for them. We all have different experience as well as needs.
@brianfoster7064
@brianfoster7064 3 жыл бұрын
Great job. Now, a correction concerning dBs. Every three units of measurement is either a 50% decrease, or a 100% increase. Going from 94 dB to 80 dB is 14 points. You reduced the volume by more than 87%. That's a massive improvement.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info and thanks for watching.
@klave8511
@klave8511 3 жыл бұрын
Your math might be a bit rusty, if 3dB were to reduce it by 50%, then it would have been halved about 5 times. So, in incremental steps of 3dB, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32. So 32x reduction BUT -3dB is 50% for power. Sound measurements are sound pressure level not sound intensity. So it takes -6dB to reduce the noise by half. -14dB means the sound was reduced to 20% of its initial value. As you said, a considerable improvement.
@jonathanbetenbender307
@jonathanbetenbender307 Жыл бұрын
@@klave8511 But also there is percieved noise. A reduction of 10db sounds about half as loud, but it's also about frequency. Lower frequency doesn't sound as loud... the holes should actually change the frequency as well (not sure to what degree).
@michaelgriffith2954
@michaelgriffith2954 2 жыл бұрын
I love the idea behind this. I am sure some others have suggested a few improvements. My only concern is that while watching the video, I could not see about 80$ of what was being built. and I felt that the most critical stuff to see how it is built did not get shown. I learn best by seeing what is done, so I missed a lot of the meat and potatoes of this build. Can you consider to maybe make another video to show the process better? Thank you.
@shantinath1000
@shantinath1000 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this- I now not only know how to quiet the vac but a basic ide of how to apply this to any situation. Well done.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@MysticMetals92
@MysticMetals92 6 ай бұрын
Ritchie Aprille is really knowledgeable
@therach7841
@therach7841 Ай бұрын
Sometimes I think God only had like 1000 different models to make all the humans that existed.
@KagedCreations08XX
@KagedCreations08XX 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thanks for sharing
@patrickevans6712
@patrickevans6712 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. I’ll begin mine later today using these strategies. I’ll find out which ones actually work for me. 1. Box on wheels to be rolled outside when in use. Hose back into garage via opening under door. 2. Box lined with 1.5 inches of concrete on all six sides, plus air gaps, carpet glue, 2nd inner plywood layer, foam if needed. 3. Instead of making a muffler, using an actual car muffler inside the box. 4. Remote control operation. 5. Minor air pass through for motor cooling. 6. Dust cyclone on outside. I found your videos helpful for generating ideas. Thanks again.
@poncho6784
@poncho6784 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Great idea. You are correct because the decibel scale is logarithmic, meaning that each 10 dB difference represents a tenfold increase in intensity. By lowering the noise into the 70 decibel range you SUBSTANTIALLY lower the risk of hearing damage. And the hazard of an angry spouse when you run the shop vac at 7am on a Saturday morning! 🤣
@KuuipoleilaniKeaulan
@KuuipoleilaniKeaulan 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and in a way that any "rocket scientist will never wannabe", can easily learn ... you have a great way of captivating your audience, well you got me wanting more .
@philmeanor2638
@philmeanor2638 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I watched it several times and then built a similar model with mods. I adapted a short 2” PVC pipe to the exhaust port (wrapped with a bike inner tube then screwed in place). This went to a PVC ‘U’ then the regular muffler. I put many holes in the 3” pipe. Then sliced the top of a 4” pipe & clamped it around the existing 2”-3” adapter. This 4” pipe seemed to cut the sound pretty well. I didn’t have a cap to check the sound of the original muffler, but without it it was too loud. Thanks again.
@dstewart7470
@dstewart7470 Жыл бұрын
Would you be inclined to share a pic of your version? I was prepared to go buy the materials but your mods seems intriguing.
@Rodoman2
@Rodoman2 Ай бұрын
Thanks. Very good and smart comments and conclusions. Always is good to learn something new. 👍🇺🇸🙏
@johannapoder2843
@johannapoder2843 3 ай бұрын
Nice one, i made 1 also for my shopvac. Mine is way smaller, but it really works.
@retiredatforty
@retiredatforty Жыл бұрын
Great idea and a great outcome. May I respectfully suggest-and this will require some non-linear editing-showing the finished project at the beginning, so people can anchor their brains in what you’re up to. Say, “Here’s what we’re building today,” THEN explain and demonstrate the build (as you did), then demonstrate the final product in action (as you did). Loved the real-time decibel readings, which added credibility to your presentation. Thanks for putting this together!
@swilhelm3180
@swilhelm3180 Жыл бұрын
Excellent suggestion!
@timw.5030
@timw.5030 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! That was awesome I appreciate it
@crackerjack3359
@crackerjack3359 3 жыл бұрын
I had been thinking of building a sound reduction cabinet, but was worried about the vac overheating on long runs. This seems like the way to go. Do yo think you would get additional reduction by putting more foam in the outer sleeve in addition to the center?
@conrat2000
@conrat2000 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. This should be pretty easy to put in place. Thank you.
@hanneliediedericks3025
@hanneliediedericks3025 9 ай бұрын
Serves its purpose well
@seangholipour3884
@seangholipour3884 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely a genius creation
@toddmcintyre4995
@toddmcintyre4995 3 жыл бұрын
thanks for this! Solved a problem for me.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@ronjaybarnett
@ronjaybarnett 3 жыл бұрын
Nicely Done! Brilliant! I plan on building one of your mufflers. I liked your solution and your cool low key attitude in the presentation and non threatening way you introduced the math. Also liked that you used easy to find materials and building techniques. I also liked what others below said about making more holes for less restriction since the array of small holes, though the same total area, will have more restriction. basic rule of thumb is the air restriction goes with the cube of the diameter difference. It's actually not that bad in this case since the formula only goes where the diameter is much less than the hole length. It would be complicated to calculate. However a good guess is that you would need twice the number of 1/2" holes to not measurably restrict the air flow. I like Scott Marshall below am a practicing engineer. one last note reducing the sound by 3dB is cutting the sound power in half. while reducing the sound by 10db reduces the sound power by 10dB reduces the sound power to 1/10. However that being said, the ear is logarithmic so it sounds like the sound is 1/2 is loud, so in the end you are right on and the sound you here is reduced by 50%. More importantly the hearing damange potential goes with the sound power, so as far as hearing damage over time your Brilliant muffler reduces that by the full 90%. Sorry for the long message I did not have time to make it any shorter. Thank you
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic feedback, I am planning a redo and will be using this feedback in my updated design. Thanks for watching.
@EmJayCD
@EmJayCD 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome job. I love it. Its a problem that we all have and this is a great solution for it. May not be the best, but its still functional and thats the point. It works... thank you for this idea.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@NebulaM57
@NebulaM57 3 жыл бұрын
That was awesome!! Thanks for sharing. My shop vac is very loud as well. I will certainly give this a try. Thanks!
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@JeremySeifert
@JeremySeifert 4 жыл бұрын
Great concept, thanks.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@catfishcave379
@catfishcave379 4 жыл бұрын
Things I learned : how to apply math for the size of the holes I need on my spray bar on my aquariums’ filter outlets. No more trial and error. (Um... let’s try five 1/4” holes... nope, try again...) Decibels is a logarithmic scale. That made me go do a little research myself and I learned a lot. Thanks for the video; it’s not always about what you can use, but what you learned.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. Let me know how the aquarium filter turns out.
@hudzgh
@hudzgh 3 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to click thumbs up twice?
@mauriceryton
@mauriceryton 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, great video. My SV is a noisy sucker too. I will be building one of these mufflers soon.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@nicholasaustin2717
@nicholasaustin2717 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the knowledge. I am unlikely to complete this specific project, but 5-10 years from now I will encounter another piece of knowledge in a seemingly unrelated field and this videos knowledge will click together with my future problem like a final missing puzzle piece you find under the couch. I don’t want to be immortal, except I occasionally wish I could live long enough for all my stray/loose ends of knowledge to be tied to something personally and physically relevant.
@steveforbes8287
@steveforbes8287 Жыл бұрын
This is definitely one of the most useful and well presented shop videos that I have seen. I appreciate the basic math that you used to figure out the requirements for the construction of the muffler. I agree with several others that your demonstration of the construction was not very well presented since much of it was just out of the frame in the video. However, knowing what you were supposed to be doing helps to fill in the blanks. Also, others have noted that the way sound is measured and with the meager audio quality it is obvious that the reduction was very significant. Thank you for going to the trouble to present this video in a very educational manner.
@JRock17991
@JRock17991 4 жыл бұрын
You got it. 10dB halves your volume. Cool vid. Thanks
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@klave8511
@klave8511 3 жыл бұрын
6dB halves the actual sound pressure level (SPL) but not the perceived volume, your ear gets more sensitive as the volume gets lower which is why a log scale is used
@lorenworthington8739
@lorenworthington8739 3 жыл бұрын
I may build one just because it’ll look cooler than my neighbors standard shop vac. I’m just curious if you measured the airflow before and after to confirm your calculations?
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
I just picked up a meter and measured a drop from 14 m/s to 12 m/s input velocity. I do notice the difference but it still has plenty of suction to pick up the saw dust. Thanks for watching
@marbleman52
@marbleman52 3 жыл бұрын
Even if I made one of these mufflers for my shop Vac, I would still have to use my 'ears' because when I would have my vac running, it would be because I would also be using my loud mitre saw or my planer ( a real screecher) or maybe the table saw or my belt sander; although my table saw is not a screecher like the mitre saw and planer. Anyway...I applaud your creativity and using science to explain why & how it works.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comments.
@timmsmiithgm557
@timmsmiithgm557 2 жыл бұрын
How to make your shop vac quieter: hold the meter further away when taking the measurement.
@gvet47
@gvet47 2 жыл бұрын
😉
@jakesblotto7329
@jakesblotto7329 3 жыл бұрын
Very nicely done. Thanks for the video. Gonna try it to see if I can get the same results.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, did it work for you?
@John-NeverStopLearning
@John-NeverStopLearning Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video, it looks like the muffler is on the exhaust side. True? How much of a CFM reduction do you have W/ the cyclone on the input? How much more do you have with the muffler? What keeps the foam muddles from being sucked blown out of the muffler?
@brianchv3661
@brianchv3661 2 жыл бұрын
Really great!!
@rikityrik
@rikityrik Жыл бұрын
Love the idea, any number of improvements could be made, with a bit of imagination. But you definitely made it quieter. Thanks!
@lfrankow
@lfrankow Жыл бұрын
agreed. Van Halen stripes, FTW.
@rla1000
@rla1000 Жыл бұрын
Great information, thanks for putting this up. Question: I'm curious to know how much suction is reduced by adding the muffler. Any device that restricts air outflow - which a muffler would most certainly do - has to affect inflow as well. A simple measurement of air inflow with an anemometer with and without the muffler would be very telling.
@kevin30179
@kevin30179 2 жыл бұрын
this was the single hardest video to watch on youtube.
@commoncents456
@commoncents456 8 ай бұрын
Nice video Question By baffling the exhaust does it reduce the suction
@osu895
@osu895 Жыл бұрын
Good idea. I need a diffuser more than a muffler, I hate the outflow blowing everything behind me into next Tuesday. For the sound, I just put on ear protection.
@MartinDolan
@MartinDolan 3 жыл бұрын
That's a great video, thanks, now I know how to make a muffler. My recommendation is to do a few more holes than you think you need because the other thing that makes a difference on airflow is going around corners etc. So you might have the right surface area of the holes but it will still restrict it greatly. Pulling a figure out of my ass but 25% more than you think you need. Even without having a muffler and just the outlet either straight or at 90 degrees will make a big difference to outflow and therefore suction. Where there is room I always use 2x 45degree elbows with a little straight run in the middle instead of 1x 90deg bend. Thanks again for the video, this project is on my list 👍🏼
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Great input, thanks for watching.
@PandorasBox2
@PandorasBox2 Жыл бұрын
good video specially science part explanation help to measure us for our sound dampening projects 👍
@ralphmartini2863
@ralphmartini2863 4 ай бұрын
I appreciate the math and sharing ur experience. The math leaves nothing to chance or shade tree engineering!
@mmmmmmm8706
@mmmmmmm8706 4 жыл бұрын
Great stuff.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@bryanm5233
@bryanm5233 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@mrx-in4xh
@mrx-in4xh 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video and the explanation of the theory behind it. I have a ShopVac Ultra and besides the hole for the suction hose, the only other hole it has is for using it as a blower, and of course it's closed with a threaded cap when using the vacuum port. So I'm not sure where to connect the muffler in my unit. Which port are you using to attach your muffler? thanks
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Here is another option: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aZhmms2SrtSWm2w.html. Thanks for watching
@deckmonkey1459
@deckmonkey1459 3 жыл бұрын
The blower is just the exhaust port where you would attach this. If you have the cap tight, the vacuum doesn't work well.
@UzmaFoods
@UzmaFoods 4 жыл бұрын
Very good idea
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@joshuatwhaley
@joshuatwhaley 4 жыл бұрын
very creative solution.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@stephenshepherd9090
@stephenshepherd9090 4 ай бұрын
hi, I wasnt sure if you had a hole drilled in your larger outer pipe. it looked like a window. please explain if I am seeing right. it wasnt mentioned in the video. thanks. Great video and helpful information btw
@celticviking2319
@celticviking2319 2 жыл бұрын
Greasing the bearings helps too. I'm gonna give my vac a little tlc this weekend. Thanks for the tip! Now I'm thinking....what else can I muffle? 🤔
@MrMattDat
@MrMattDat 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and simple, easy solution! Not sure where I missed it, but what did you use to make the observation window in the outside housing? Perhaps warmed up some plexiglass?
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
The plexiglass was left over from my sons science project that I reused the material from. But yes I did warm plexiglass when I did that. Thanks for watching.
@peterbarlow8912
@peterbarlow8912 7 ай бұрын
It works. Tip focus the camera on the work. Less talking head video. Confess fast forwarding to get to the result
@rickenglish6962
@rickenglish6962 Жыл бұрын
Noise canceling ear buds , u can take them anywhere ?
@helmuttdvm
@helmuttdvm 3 жыл бұрын
Nice project!
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@barbarianatgate2000
@barbarianatgate2000 4 жыл бұрын
I like the project and idea in general. Unfortunately, I've yet to find any "muffler" solution that didn't impede the draw to the point where I was dissatisfied with the performance. I solve my issue by throwing on a set of "Worktunes" and rocking out while I clean up.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience, I ended up more satisfied with the dust cart noise reduction featured in my later video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aZhmms2SrtSWm2w.html. Thanks for watching.
@traceyhughes273
@traceyhughes273 2 жыл бұрын
i realize this is an old video but i just found it.. my question is: did you step the diameter up from 2.5" to 3" or 4"??? thanks
@joeyszalkiewicz8052
@joeyszalkiewicz8052 6 ай бұрын
He's right on point I'm a plumber and PVC cement does not taste good
@jamescampbell9156
@jamescampbell9156 3 жыл бұрын
very cool great idea
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@jmidesigns
@jmidesigns 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and great solution to lower the noise. If you or anyone here can answer this question. The large outer pvc pipe I see a large hole cut out but it looks like some plastic transparent film is covering it. I didn’t see you cutting that huge hole was it might to be there or did you just cover the hole up to use it for this project. Thank you to any one that answers.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
The plexiglass was left over from my sons science project that I reused the material from. Thanks for watching.
@randymcpherson4619
@randymcpherson4619 3 жыл бұрын
Spray all your parts inside and out with Flex Seal might help absorb some of the sound and try using steel wool instead of foam noodles.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting thought, I will have to experiment. Thanks for watching.
@MrAtfenn
@MrAtfenn 3 жыл бұрын
im going to build this today. can you explain why steel wool is better than the foam?
@DivineMisterAdVentures
@DivineMisterAdVentures 4 жыл бұрын
I'm shocked by how well that worked. I would have thought most of the noise was coming from the motor head and not through the exhaust. Unlike an ICM where there are actual explosions going on upstream of the exhaust..
@gvet47
@gvet47 2 жыл бұрын
Very true! The fan in an uninsulated plastic housing sings.
@TheDiverJim
@TheDiverJim 4 жыл бұрын
Great idea! Does your foam not decrease the volume of air through the muffler and thus impact airflow or did I miss something?
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
I was also wondering about that and I did some testing and my non-scientific (hand of the inlet) measurement did not really make a noticeable difference, which gives me the impression there is some other restriction in the system which is even greater,
@nealpedigo2842
@nealpedigo2842 4 жыл бұрын
Better to wrap the outside of the perfarated tube with an expanded, woven, cloth like material (like a scotch pad.,.). Loosely wrapped, and zip-tied in three places. That would greatly reduce sound without compromised air flow.
@mbrown5494
@mbrown5494 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty cool, but how badly did you restrict air flow suction?
@joedance14
@joedance14 4 жыл бұрын
Has the airflow (volume) been checked with and without muffler?
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
The app is Decibel X for Iphone. I didnt have an Anemometer when I filmed this but when I went back and checked there was really no change. The filter is the real limiting restriction unless you put a small crevice nozzle on the hose. Thanks for watching.
@joedance14
@joedance14 4 жыл бұрын
Wood Crafting Place Thanks! Enjoyed the video.
@jamesnasmith984
@jamesnasmith984 3 жыл бұрын
Nice use of available materials. How much did the added resistance cut the suction? More holes and less baffling might help airflow.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
There was a reduction but not to the extent that the vacuum wouldn't pick up everything I need to. I found a clogged filter had alot more impact than my little modification. I am planning on a redo which will have more holes and some other upgrades from many great recommendations provided from my viewers. Thanks for watching.
@davidpurpura1617
@davidpurpura1617 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice job. Did I miss something? How did you make the body with the window on it?
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
I repurposed the material so the window was a hold over from my sons science project. It was sealed by plexiglass and has no function in the muffler. Thanks for watching.
@johnterdik4707
@johnterdik4707 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and instructions. What is the purpose of the window in the pipe body (see the video at 4:32)? Looks like you have covered it with clear plastic. What is the next step for greater sound reduction?
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
The window was actually just left over from another project that i salvaged the material from. Next step is an enclosure to really knock the sound down without impacting the airflow. I did this in another video and the sound reduction was significant. Thanks for watching.
@johnterdik4707
@johnterdik4707 3 жыл бұрын
@@woodworkingyoutube I tried to find the other video you mentioned, please give me the link. Have you used any Central Vacuum motors such as www.lifesupplyusa.com/default/central-vacuum-3-stage-motor-compatible-with-ametek-116765-high-suction-tangential-bypass-discharge-blower-metal-horn-5-7-inch-with-wires.html I'd like to try one using a brushless motor. I'm still in the research phase.
@Jay-yy9ol
@Jay-yy9ol Жыл бұрын
If most of the sound is created by the motor, is there a way to sound proof the housing instead of the exhaust option? Maybe spray foam the whole vac on the outside (leaving the vents open). You could then change the shape of the vac this way also. Add some better accessory holder. A coffee thermos holder. Customize the finish color. Add racing stripes, etc.
@django02
@django02 4 жыл бұрын
Cool idea. Thanks for posting this. I may just build one of these. Also, unlike the whining below about your presentation being "too technical", I appreciated your inclusion of your calculations for determining how many 1/2" holes to drill. It's clear from the comments that a lot of people are unaware that the decibel scale is non-linear. That's not your fault, but you could have headed off most of those comments by mentioning that in the video.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, and you have a very good point, although I do enjoy interacting with anyone who uses their valuable time to watch my videos and comments.
@drillguy300
@drillguy300 4 жыл бұрын
Wood Crafting Place Explaining JND would help people appreciate the improvement.
@papasmurf9146
@papasmurf9146 Жыл бұрын
The video would be much more valuable if I could see the parts you're working on. Most of the time it's off the bottom of the screen. It would be interesting to know what the difference in the vacuum performance.
@allanfischer9417
@allanfischer9417 2 жыл бұрын
What did constipating the outflow do the suction of the shop vacuum? In order for the suction to remain constant, the air you displace to create the vacuum must go somewhere. If you impede the air flow, ipso facto the suction must diminish.
@glenschumannGlensWorkshop
@glenschumannGlensWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@GregoryFeeney
@GregoryFeeney 4 жыл бұрын
Good video my friend, never understood the noise was from air flow more than the motor.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Me neither, until I realized how much quieter the machine was without the exhaust blowing directly at me. There is still the noise from the intake which when I bring it up to the clean something high like the bandsaw table drowns out the motor. The enclosure I did in the follow up video ended up being the way to go ultimately. Thanks for watching/
@kevinchappell3694
@kevinchappell3694 4 жыл бұрын
I bought a Fein.....66 dBa, and then built a silencing box. I have check to see if it’s actually running.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
The Fein is a sweet machine. I also built a cart which was featured in a later video. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aZhmms2SrtSWm2w.html . Thanks for watching.
@zacveatch6478
@zacveatch6478 2 жыл бұрын
This is good shit!
@mikegrok
@mikegrok 3 жыл бұрын
That muffler is interesting... I have a pool noodle with a 2.5 inch inside diameter which I think would be nearly as effective. Thank you for proposing this idea.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds perfect for the application. Thanks for watching
@joedance14
@joedance14 4 жыл бұрын
Which app was used to measure decibels?
@michaelbaykara2322
@michaelbaykara2322 2 жыл бұрын
the one that doesnt reduce 50% as claimed
@shelleyrightmyer6421
@shelleyrightmyer6421 3 жыл бұрын
Yes it is loud
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@youredoingitwrong1361
@youredoingitwrong1361 4 жыл бұрын
Loved you in the movie Ghost
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@jayraysdiy852
@jayraysdiy852 3 жыл бұрын
that is a significant reduction in noise. I am curious, how did it affect the airflow?
@kellyrobison4648
@kellyrobison4648 2 жыл бұрын
Is the muffler capped off .where is the air getting out
@Stephenwp
@Stephenwp 3 жыл бұрын
Ridgid makes a muffler for the shop vacuum. I have one. It plugs into the exhaust port like the muffler that you made. It does a good job of reducing the noise, but also reduces the suction and airflow of the vacuum. The one benefit is that it diffuses the exhaust so it doesn’t blow as much dust around. Ever been in a smaller room trying to vacuum up dust while the exhaust port is helping to blow it into a cloud?
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
I am fortunate to have good size shop and have not noticed a dust cloud. I do have one of the mufflers you mentioned and I agree with your comments, i was just trying to take it up to the next level. Thanks for watching.
@gvet47
@gvet47 2 жыл бұрын
I have that little muffler and to be honest I see no difference to my ear with or without it.
@terryherrera5252
@terryherrera5252 3 жыл бұрын
My Zuni-Saw,Bandsaw(20”),6x48” sander ! I have super tenitis !! Little late !!
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Yes the longer you make it the quieter, however the primary noise has switched from air flow to motor, so it really wouldn't gain much. It would also get unwieldy at some point. That's why my next video enclosed the whole thing in a sound box, Thanks for watching.
@jamescullins2709
@jamescullins2709 2 жыл бұрын
It looks like the foam stick would reduce the airflow a lot or am I missing something?
@themegasexybasterd
@themegasexybasterd 4 жыл бұрын
What I would of like to seen is the vacuum force before and after the muffler was added to see if there was any loss.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Good thought, I am planning an update and will include that since I have an anemometer now. Thanks for watching.
@donny_bahama
@donny_bahama 3 жыл бұрын
That was the first thing I thought of when I saw the muffler diagram on the whiteboard. How much back pressure (= loss of suction) is this noise reduction going to cause? Kudos to the content creator, here, but that’s a critical factor in the overall equation and it’s been 9 months and no update/response to Zach’s comment. We need to know how much suction loss there is by using this design. If it’s insignificant, great. If not, there’s always ear plugs.
@thomschall8973
@thomschall8973 3 жыл бұрын
Donny - Action item 1) please research/ mfg a similar muffler. Test suction before and after muffler. Report back findings. We are waiting for your reply. This is a team effort. Do not rely on someone else to do all the work. Thank you. I am providing the donuts and coffee.
@HepauDK
@HepauDK 3 жыл бұрын
Every time you force the air to change direction, you lose airflow. I would also like to see an airflow test on this.
@Creator_Nater
@Creator_Nater 4 жыл бұрын
SUBSCRIBED!
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@contessa.adella
@contessa.adella 3 жыл бұрын
An additional measure would be to build a closed cabinet around the whole vac and line it with a sound absorption material like Rockwool. Great video thanks.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Funny you should mention that, here is my video of just that: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aZhmms2SrtSWm2w.html Thanks for watching
@guyh.4553
@guyh.4553 4 жыл бұрын
Most important thing about the construction "...move your coffee cup well away because PVC cement does not taste good. We don't want anything to get in the way of good coffee!" Good design and math. Yes, even though it sucks, math does matter in life.
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@guyh.4553
@guyh.4553 4 жыл бұрын
@@woodworkingyoutube when I get time (ha ha ha), I'm going to try it. Till then, ear muffs!
@georgedennis2719
@georgedennis2719 3 жыл бұрын
What size are the pipes you are using? 2 and 3 or 2 and 4 inch? Really want to try this. When might you be posting your next version? Thanks for the inspiration?
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Outer pipe is 3" and the inner pipe is 2". Thanks for watching
@franciscomarin6493
@franciscomarin6493 4 жыл бұрын
Hi. There is a large hole on the outer pvc. But its not mentioned. Pls explain
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Good catch! I re-purposed that PVC from another project so I glued a piece of plexiglass over it just to seal it. The hole serves no purpose for this project. Thanks for watching.
@terryherrera5252
@terryherrera5252 3 жыл бұрын
IF you made it longer ? Would it make it quieter?? Or restrict the exhaust ?? GREAT VID. !!
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Theoretically yes, but I would run out of space to the floor before it really made a difference. Thanks for watching.
@printme2010
@printme2010 Жыл бұрын
My rabbits say thank you! 🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰
@bobbybaldeagle702
@bobbybaldeagle702 3 жыл бұрын
What about that hole in the side of the big pipe that's covered with some kind of plastic what size is that hole what's it for... I saw you talking about everything else but you never mentioned that hole on the side of the big pipe I take it that's for the exhaust to come out but what size is the hole
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Good catch, the material was repurposed from my sons science project which had a viewing window. In my muffler it has no function, it is sealed with plexiglass. Thanks for watching.
@drivn4895
@drivn4895 Жыл бұрын
Really appreciate this video and the length you've gone to create your vision! I did want to ask what impact insulating the inside of the vacuum with say acoustic treatment like dynomat or other materials would be. Could this help?
@haroldmeid7791
@haroldmeid7791 3 жыл бұрын
What size is the pipe size
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Outside pipe is 3" and the inside pipe is 2". Thanks for watching
@mail06513
@mail06513 4 жыл бұрын
I think the majority of the noise is from the motor. Rigid now makes a small muffler attachment that reduces the noise a little bit thst came with my vac. I feel like it chases the pitch of the noise.
@nitrofreakmanho
@nitrofreakmanho 3 жыл бұрын
Well a 10dB drop( or rise in volume )is perceived as a 50% reduction( or gain )by the ear. Nice work!
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that!
@johnbauer3801
@johnbauer3801 4 жыл бұрын
would using steel wool filler as a baffle make it quieter???
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Great idea, it would probably do a great job.
@bumstudios8817
@bumstudios8817 4 жыл бұрын
@@woodworkingyoutube or fiberglass insulation?
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
@@bumstudios8817 fiberglass insulating a box would work but it would probably be too dense for the muffler.
@marke2401
@marke2401 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Sproles I wouldn’t want to risk blow by and putting micro fibers in the air I’m breathing. Just a thought.
@carloduroni5629
@carloduroni5629 4 жыл бұрын
Steel wool is used in car mufflers because of the heated gas. No need to use metal where you have cool air (and dust).
@Azntoo60
@Azntoo60 4 жыл бұрын
Ear buds is my easy solution with any combination of noises from vacuum, table saw, air compressor etc
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@yeahthatshouldwork
@yeahthatshouldwork 3 жыл бұрын
And wife
@jsh3234
@jsh3234 3 жыл бұрын
@@yeahthatshouldwork 😂
@orangecounty7144
@orangecounty7144 3 жыл бұрын
What you said is common sense. This is normally for the people around your vicinity. Good luck telling your neighbors to put on some ear plugs.😂 There are times when working in the garage late in the evening, we need or want to run a machine without pissing off the neighbors or waking up a baby somewhere.........😁
@LaRoseDetails
@LaRoseDetails Жыл бұрын
Thats a solution for you…not customers lmao
@weekendwarrior9570
@weekendwarrior9570 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent Thank you for sharing
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@buffyarx
@buffyarx 3 жыл бұрын
I’m curious how much this muffler will affect the vacuum of the shop vac. ? If any 🤷‍♂️ Thanks for the video !!!
@poncho6784
@poncho6784 3 жыл бұрын
I think that was the whole point of doing the math. So you dont restrict airflow and therefore dont change the vacuum's efficiency
@woodworkingyoutube
@woodworkingyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
The airflow dropped from about 14 to 12 m/s. You can feel a difference but it still has plenty of suction for saw dust and normal debri. Thanks for watching.
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