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How to Replace a Bad Turnout on Your Model Railroad Layout
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6 жыл бұрынIn this video I show you how to replace a bad turnout on your model railroad layout for more reliable operation. Turnouts get damaged and wear out over time. Here is how I replaced a bad turnout in my main yard ladder on my #model #railroad #layout. #turnout
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@mikedurhan9941 3 жыл бұрын
Much obliged for a great model railroad program. Well done on the video, and your narration was clear. No mumbling. No blasting music. No "What's happening, guys!?" Just simply a high quality instructive, maturely produced youTube video. Thanks for all the great MR tips and techniques.
@RonsTrainsNThings 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, and I'm glad you enjoyed it.
@PendulumStation 2 жыл бұрын
Man, the rail joiner tool, genius! So many times I've struggled to get a joiner into place on previously laid track. What a great idea.
@nesr8786 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Ron ,Great presentation, im from PCTS (Prevention of Cruelty to Turnout Society .we cad a complaint about your repeatedly calling turnout BAD ,the video evidence is enough to proceed further,so just bin the old ones and get new LOL, Thanks again Ron
@douglasmargison7189 6 жыл бұрын
Very useful video on replacing a bad turnout. Had to replace an old DCC-unfriendly HO Shinohara double-slip with a Peco Insulfrog. This video made the task easy. Thanks Ron
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to hear that. That is a complicated switch.
@TheNWPerry 6 жыл бұрын
Nice video Ron. I also use the Peco insulfrog points and have found that if you use insulated track joiners on the two small inside rails after the frog you will reduce to zero the short circuit that can happen from time to time when a Loco wheel picks the point. Good points and a quality product from PECO. Once again thank you Ron. Neil W
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
Good tip. Thank you for your comment and thanks for watching.
@dghmrrinn951 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid! Love the bent rail for joiners.... I have been using that Atlas tool, and it works great, but, not useful in all areas, like what you had to do, my fingers say thank you! Also, it was really refreshing to see your "OOOPS!" moment. I don't feel so annoyed with myself when I have those 'ooops!' moments now. Keep up the great vids!
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
We might as well admit it, thoses moments happen to us all. Thanks for watching.
@wmhoward2249 3 жыл бұрын
Ron Buy a small file handle and glue it on the bend rail
@scottfw7169 6 жыл бұрын
Hey, that bent rail joiner tool is a pretty cool idea.
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is a finger saver.
@laspiedrasrailroad Жыл бұрын
Oh Lord had to replace a bad one and I did what you did pulled the rail on the adjacent turnout out...But this is great....
@IMRROcom 6 жыл бұрын
About friken time! this should of been live at 4am when I get up. Bad Ron, Bad Bad Bad Ron or I will be showing you how to post a video on time on the next RTNT, Starting right now.
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, I try to have them scheduled to go live at 7 a.m. my time, but I was up until 1 a.m. doing the first edit on this one and I knew I needed to cut it--it was too long. I cut over 7 minutes out. It is still too long, but it is better. Missed my deadline by 9 hours, but at least I got it out on the right day. 🙁🙃🙂
@shawnleih2916 4 ай бұрын
I nails all my tracks and yard and main tracks Ron trains things friends
@paulturenne434 6 жыл бұрын
Oh man that would be such a PITA ,I really really hope I never have to do that (although I did have to add a turnout to my layout because I forgot to add one ,but not too big a deal) but this seems like a nightmare ,and moreso if you had all your track already ballasted.I like the idea of heating the joiners and track to remove them, good idea.Sorry to see that piece of track pull out of the turnout ,surprised you didn`t snap and drop a few F bombs and have to "BLEEP" the audio..LOL You are a patient man Ron !! I just built one of those bent rail joiner tools you have....bloody brilliant ! Love the videos of course ,always fun to watch and always learn new stuff.THANKS for taking the time to do so !! Paul T
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
This really isn't too bad a job, especially if the turnout you are replacing is NOT in a yard ladder or connected directly to other turnouts. Even removing ballast isn't so bad, and if the new ballast doesn't match perfectly it will look all the more prototypical. That incident probably wouldn't have happened if I hadn't been filming and had a camera in my way. LOL.
@JoeG-firehousewhiskey 6 жыл бұрын
Very cool, I had no idea about the denatured alcohol.
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, saves a great deal of mess later when painting.
@jolliemark6294 6 жыл бұрын
Good show Ron, track maintenance is a bear, especially on track tha has been down for some time. I like using just a little white glue to hold track down.. easy to use and a little water soften it so you can remove track even with ballast, then idea with the bent rail is a good hint, thanks, I'll use that in the future....thanks for sharing 😀
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jack, and thanks for watching.
@csxbaltimoresubdivision7746 6 жыл бұрын
Great video ron,that is a great way to change out a turnout...
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@dunnyraildunnybahn5481 5 жыл бұрын
Ooops hit the > button while I was reviewing. Dropper wires can be soldered to the bottom of the Fishplates and pushed small holes drilled through the board and fed through the hole making them pretty well invisible from above. For running to the Panel I like to have the Baseboard Edge have Electrical Trunking mounted on. The wires can then be fed to this direct from the Track and passed into the trunking through another small hole. This also means that little wiring except direct from the Fishplate to the trunking is used. Plus any alterations additions are so much easier to deal with at the front of the Layout. Another Tip, use a slightly larger size of Trunking than you think you need. Leaves room for updates! Dunnyrail
@hawkinsteve 6 жыл бұрын
Great video, very informative. Thanks for sharing.
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment and thanks for watching.
@rdanscale3416 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Ron something I wanted pass on as suggestion for Removing Rail try using some heavy sewing thread I've use it allot when removing KATO Unitrack and the thread can cut rather Quickly but I also have a flat trial as you have in Video.. Also I think when a person has lots a Track and fairly Good size Yard invest in a Desodering Tool a Desodering tool pulls up the Soder via trigger in the Handle and usually leave 0 on the project your working I've seen em' being used and there pretty Cool..
@neilbuilds7475 6 жыл бұрын
OKay I hadn't watch the video yet because I was laughing too much at 'Bad turnouts. Bad! Bad turnouts"!!!! I think this is one of the best openings... might even beat out the 'shorts'!
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
LOL. Thanks.
@dunnyraildunnybahn5481 5 жыл бұрын
Soldering Rail,Contacts is pretty much a no no, but it can be useful. You do just do one on each side of the rail with a different side each end pretty much as Made Up Track is supplied from shops. This gives you some of the advantage but saves issues from expanding rail in a warm space. Next for power particularly with DCC use Drop Wires and hook all the Wires from the Rails up for each Section. Bit of a pain I know but reliability makes it worthwhile.
@dacuzzz 6 жыл бұрын
good job Ron.. thanks for sharing.. vinny
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Vinny.
@l.rod2827 Жыл бұрын
Nice video and great tip on cutting the rails shy of the joints, good idea. My turnouts have ballast, do you remove the ballast and how?
@elsdp-4560 6 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU...for sharing.
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment and thanks for watching.
@N-Scale 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another cool video. Mike
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Mike.
@sjbolton72 6 жыл бұрын
Just a tip with how you solder there, lay down some wide masking tape gently along your "good" track to cover it while you solder and maybe lay your wrist on the track. This protects the track from oils from your skin corroding them over time, protect from scratch damage from watches/jewellery too. Plus when soldering its common to get "spatter" where the flux can spit and bubble like frying chips causing tiny droplets of flux and molten solder to get sprayed around. Its just a simple preventetive measure to protect the track you aren't working on and reduce overall maintenance time. Would I be correct in saying your little flux tube is "Realistic" brand with a red cap? Its my favourite solder and works so nicely, lasts forever too from the golden age of solder when the word "lead" didn't have people fleeing for the hills. :) thanks for the handy video!
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve. Good tip on the tape. I don't think I've ever really had that issue, but I can certainly see how that can happen and an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. On the flux--no, mine is from Radio Shack with a black cap, but it is possible they are made by the same manufacturer. Min has lasted over 20 years, but sadly it is nearly gone and I can't get this exact stuff anymore.
@TheGamingEevee8 6 жыл бұрын
Nice video again.
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@wendellcamp6233 6 жыл бұрын
Ron the next you have unsolder a joiner use a wet cotton ball as a heat sink that way you won't melt the ty's
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
Normally I would hold that rail with pliers which would both hold in place and serve as a heat sink, but trying to video everything can sometimes get in the way a bit.
@johnroan7755 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the show,am learning a lot . Back into trains after 30 years. I noticed that you use peco and not atlas. I' m at the track being stage.why did you you use Peco ?
@nedmerrill5705 2 жыл бұрын
I recommend you learn how to build your own turnouts. There's a learning curve, but once you learn issues of finding an exactly fitting turnout become moot. And it's fun to show off your new skill.
@paulsimpson8578 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Ron. Loved your video and I will defo be using your tips to r’n’r a dodgy point on my Hornby layout. The only bit I didn’t get was why you took the ties away from the points rather than the surrounding track. Would it not be easier to take it away from the surrounding track?
@jerrysmith1929 6 жыл бұрын
I don't solder rail joiners for turnouts. This makes replacing turnouts much easier and safer. I find the adhesive solidly holds the turnout in place. Code 80 track? Insulfrogs" Bad Ron, bad bad Ron! I'm so disappointed. LOL Electrofrogs will improve conductivity and reduce the need to solder rail joiners. Your videos are informative, entertaining, and very well produced. And a little delay in uploading for the sake of well produced videos doesn't bother me one bit.
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Jerry. I used inslufrogs on this layout because it is all manually thrown. Without switch machines, I didn't want to mess with wiring the frogs. So far the insulfrogs have caused me little problem. As for code 80, that was a cost issue. I am currently working on a new switching layout that is using code 55 rail.
@jerrysmith1929 6 жыл бұрын
There is a difference in cost between code 55 and 80. By manually thrown I'm guessing you're using the finger flicking method to change routing. Definitely another way to save costs.
@JoRoderick 6 жыл бұрын
As you well know, I am not really into the trains themselves, but I find myself watching your videos all the way to the end. It's fascinating how complex this is. We all (non-model-railroaders) think it's just slapping some train tracks down and off you go. Was the old track warped from excessive heat? I didn't quite understand what caused the irregular turn/wobble.
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, apparently when I soldered the turnout originally I got it too hot on this rail and melted the ties where it was mounted and it twisted. There is no fix for that. If you like the complexity, wait until I talk about Digital Command Control and the onboard decoders (tiny computers basically) that make these trains run.
@JoRoderick 6 жыл бұрын
The closet thing I have to this is a lego train set. It had an on and off switch, and a car and a train engine. :) I think I still have it. So much was lost in the moves.
@mitchrozelle269 6 жыл бұрын
HI Ron, Hay where was your rail repair crew and the rail crane ! hahaha. Do you file down inside the frog a little bit .i do and it helps with that car rocking thing , also the heads of guard rails it helps a lot .I can get in to do those thing on my HO turn out but on n scale I don't know. good video. like alway's.
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, I do. That is in part what I referred to at the end when I said they needed some tweaking. I just didn't include it in the video because it was too long already.
@rjl110919581 6 жыл бұрын
BUY YOUR RIGHT ANGLE DRILL UNIT FIND ON DRILL AS LOT EASY FOR CUTTING WHEN CUT OUT TRACK
@eXtremeFX2010 3 жыл бұрын
Hi... TOOL QUESTION: 1) What type of Dremel Tool? 2) What type of cutting bit did you use? I will be Cutting HO-scale. If you could provide me with a link to Amazon so i know what will cut the metal with no issues, that would be great. By the way, I am dreading doing this... but its got to be done.
@jenniferwhite6089 6 жыл бұрын
Jac Jac would have to red tag the track
@geomodelrailroader 3 жыл бұрын
sometimes turnouts get damaged and you have to replace them. I have replaced a lot on my layout. One tip you should know is if you are going to cut a turnout away from the layout cut two ties from the turnout in each direction and never cut on a curve or a joint if it is soldered you will damage your track and you have to cut out everything if you do that. Curved turnouts act as a spring if you cut them and you are not on a straight section the track will bow and it will cave in towards the center and pop out of the ties. If you are cutting a curved turnout always cut it straight.
@LegionOfWeirdos 6 жыл бұрын
2:59 - "Yeah, we're gonna need some of you guys to work some overtime tonight."
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
True dat!
@sithlordofoz 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting that you use Peco - and Code 80 insulfrogs. I use Code 55 and Electrofrogs myself. I was also intrigued that you solder the rail joiners. I assume for electrical conductivity in place of a million and one droppers? I wouldn't be soldering near turnouts again after the fun you had!
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
As I replied in another comment, I used insulfrogs and code 80 on this layout as a cost-saving measure. At the time I started building I wasn't in a place to put switch machines on all of my 100+ turnouts nor to absorb the extra cost of smaller rail. I am working on a new switching layout which is code 55.
@sithlordofoz 6 жыл бұрын
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@larrytaylor7753 3 жыл бұрын
When the cutoff wheel diameter is smaller that the Dremmel tool it is not possible to cut the rail off at a vertical 90 degree angle. Is that an issue when reconnecting to new rail?
@mev680 3 жыл бұрын
Ron, Can a a train traveling from the rear of a turnout to the front change the direction of the switch? Thanks
@davidpope1735 5 жыл бұрын
I have just started my new dream layout and in my last layout, I soldered the joints. This was the biggest pain of my life. I am visually impaired and am an N scaler. I am trying solder glue I bought on Amazon and so far it appears to be working for me. I have laid over 80 feet of track and 15 turnouts and electrically it seem to be doing well with my test runs. Have you ever tried anything like this? My layout will end up with over 1000 feet of track and I wanted to try this before I had that nightmare of soldering.
@RonsTrainsNThings 4 жыл бұрын
No, I am not famiar with that. Glad to hear it is working for you.
@jenniferwhite6089 6 жыл бұрын
jac - jac have you been watching this
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
I don't think he watches my stuff.
@SFCRambo60 6 жыл бұрын
Hello Ron, can one use a solder heatsink tool to divert the heat while soldering the rails. I use one when working close to important parts so as not to melt or cause trouble.
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
I normally use pliers to do this--both hold the rail in place and serve as a heat sink--but doing this job while videoing is an added chore.
@SFCRambo60 6 жыл бұрын
Ron's Trains N Things okay, thank you. Great show as always
@HotRodRodney25 6 жыл бұрын
hey Roy don't get rid of those turnouts they can go in a scrap yard scene or put them in some where as abandoned track somewhere use the rails from them to pile along the track just ideas I don't get rid of anything it can even go in a gondola or flat car as a load Rodney
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
Actually, I plan to use at least one if not both as store 1:1 snap track--preassembled switches stored for quick replacement. 👍
@stephenlongtin6441 10 ай бұрын
Yeah the next video that u make ….can u answer my question ? What are some signs that u may have bad turnout switch track ?!…..
@RonsTrainsNThings 10 ай бұрын
Constant derailments through the switch.
@chazco 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Was the lighting different on you? Chuck
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Chuck. Thanks for noticing. The lighting was the same, but I have been playing with color correction in my video editing software. I think it has made the videos of me look a whole lot better. And believe me, I can use all the help I can get. LOL. Thanks for watching.
@ipadre 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! I'm finding turnouts the most confusing part of the layout. It seems you did not cut any wires or connections under the turnout. Do you use any Electrofrogs? And if you do, do you have a video that I may have missed? If found a few videos elsewhere, but they seem to overcomplicate things.
@RonsTrainsNThings 5 жыл бұрын
My turnouts are all insulated frogs, thus no wiring.
@ipadre 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ron!
@Vman7757 5 жыл бұрын
What gray caulk do you use? Thanks for sharing.
@RonsTrainsNThings 5 жыл бұрын
I typically use DAP Alex or Dynaflex 230, but any latex caulk will work. I'm sharing a link to my favorite below. I like a medium gray color. Many latex caulks today contain some silicone, which is fine, but you do not want a straight silicone caulk as it does not take glue or paint well. amzn.to/2Xf6KNl
@Vman7757 5 жыл бұрын
@@RonsTrainsNThings Thank you very much. Today is watch Ron videos. I am in the throws of building a new layout. And needing to change a few things I have done in the past. Thanks again. Keep up the great work.
@Vman7757 5 жыл бұрын
Oh did you get a chance to check out the Tamiya Drill kit?
@jenniferwhite6089 6 жыл бұрын
would heat help the glue to release the track hey the toothbrush is mine lol you say brightboy
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
You couldn't get it hot enough without melting ties.
@dundasjunctionmodelr.r-jam8267 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Ron. Great video two questions. Feeder wires are adding later and switch motors for the turnouts adding later ?
@RonsTrainsNThings 4 жыл бұрын
In my case, I am all hand thrown, so no swith machines. As for feeders, assuming the thunout is soldered in place I add feeders to the connecting track on all 3 sides of the turnout so I don't need feeders on the turnout itself.
@dundasjunctionmodelr.r-jam8267 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Ron thanks
@csxbaltimoresubdivision7746 6 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to enter my giveaway contest video, I'm giving away a scaletrains gevo....
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
I did enter a few days ago. Thanks.
@robertbarcus1963 5 жыл бұрын
A heatsink would have save that switch from getting destroyed
@BattleshipOrion 6 жыл бұрын
i have a locomotive that needs a motor replacement
@BattleshipOrion 6 жыл бұрын
ps with the cutting and removing that was prototypical of most railroads but with cranes and thermite
@RonsTrainsNThings 6 жыл бұрын
LOL, yes, I don't want to use thermite on my layout. 😂
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