How to replenish the army’s ranks | Q+A 2023

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Q+A with Jack Tame

Q+A with Jack Tame

Күн бұрын

Whena Owen looks into how the NZ Defence Force can replenish their ranks, with attrition rates running extremely high.
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@SamEEE12
@SamEEE12 5 ай бұрын
I think something modeled off the Swiss militia system would work, with a small professional core functions + logistics, sf, etc.
@alexlanning712
@alexlanning712 Жыл бұрын
Having some up to date, kit, would help retain members
@Oob144
@Oob144 9 ай бұрын
@MrSaiga308fuckin amen bro, my generation needs to harden the fuck up.
@21kiwi24
@21kiwi24 6 ай бұрын
Gotta have people available to actually use the kit
@amandaforsyth4223
@amandaforsyth4223 Жыл бұрын
Great idea for the voluntary gap year.
@jordanm8915
@jordanm8915 6 ай бұрын
Stop holding people back because of injuries 10+ years ago would help keep numbers up. I've been declined several times purely because of passed injuries that don't affect me at all. It's stupidly hard to join at the moment
@adulting5369
@adulting5369 2 ай бұрын
amazing how every coutry is having the exact same issue
@northislandguy
@northislandguy 6 ай бұрын
My dad did the old National Service back in the day, can’t see them doing it again
@Degenevesting
@Degenevesting 11 ай бұрын
Idk maybe pay the sqaudies a wage that’s not worse than someone who works as bar staff? The Aussies are poaching our soldiers with offers of a decent wage. Would you not leave this country for a 50k raise? I would.
@regregan6852
@regregan6852 9 ай бұрын
Australia is poaching soldiers because they have to. They are having recruitment and retention issues just the same as us and many others. It's not all about the $$$ and if that's what you are after in the defence force, anyones defence force, than it's literally the wrong job for you🤷‍♂️
@zaynevanday142
@zaynevanday142 6 ай бұрын
I signed up as a 16 year old in 1992 got out in 2000 and rejoined 06-08 and when I came back to put it bluntly it had turned to shit 💩 couldn’t yell at soldiers lest they get upset no soldier fails any course except for SAS Selection I got out the second time after only 2 years because it was dog shit 💩 🔥 🔥 🔥
@badgerattoadhall
@badgerattoadhall 5 ай бұрын
(fat, loud & stupid) american here same thing in the US. i was 5th generation military, my son will not be the 6th generation.
@andrewcombe8907
@andrewcombe8907 6 ай бұрын
NZ should be a regular participant in exercises with Australia and USA. Make it real. Reopen the ANZUS treaty and let US ships into your ports. Plus have a battalion permanently based in Australia to be forward deployed with Australia.
@21kiwi24
@21kiwi24 6 ай бұрын
Need a battalion that's actually manned to start with before being able to base one anywhere
@NelsonZAPTM
@NelsonZAPTM 6 ай бұрын
How about pay parity. NZDF doesn't go on strike about pay and conditions.
@zaynevanday142
@zaynevanday142 6 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 not allowed to and no Union 😂😂😂
@damolux3388
@damolux3388 Ай бұрын
Pay decent money. Offer suitable housing at a heavily discounted rate. Bring back the 20 year service pensions. Take part in large scale exercises with allies at least once per year.
@VidarActual
@VidarActual 3 ай бұрын
The Australian have an excellent exchange program. As an American soldier both active and a reservist. Who has ambitions in moving to NZ with a degree. I could tell you NZ can produce a efficient fighting force like the Marine Expeditionary Forces and Small Infantry Forces with Special Operations capabilities. NZ has produce it in Afghanistan not every soldier need to be a top tier special operator but with relaxation on entry processes and a specialize cirriculum with soldier who have passed a demanding selection process that is flexible for the everyday soldier. I can assure you. You can have discipline men understanding the general aspects of the specialized capabilities.
@lukedogwalker
@lukedogwalker 3 ай бұрын
Even if a more regional focus was adopted, units would still need to be sent north to train/operate with allies in order to retain interoperability, currency on equipment, comms, doctrine etc. and to, perhaps most importantly, build and maintain professional relationships at all levels. If this doesn't happen, it will degrade NZ's ability to operate and integrate with allies on those occasions when they come down to the Pacific. So, this is about structural reform and offering rewarding career paths, and less about deployment destinations and geopolitics.
@KZ900R
@KZ900R Жыл бұрын
Gap year is a good idea if you don’t want to stay you learn valuable skills
@mous3pad_music
@mous3pad_music 5 ай бұрын
Too many peace keepers and not enough soldiers!
@CollaborativeVODS
@CollaborativeVODS Жыл бұрын
Look at what the air force does (as they have the best retention rate 10-15+ years) and apply it to the army (who have an abysmal retention rate of 3-5 years). Instead of denying there are issues to address :D
@21kiwi24
@21kiwi24 6 ай бұрын
Different issues, different structures.
@zaynevanday142
@zaynevanday142 6 ай бұрын
I completed 11 years in the Army the average time in when I was in was 2-4 years 😂😂😂
@A-Skyhawk
@A-Skyhawk Жыл бұрын
Still angry bout fighter situation
@braveworld2707
@braveworld2707 9 ай бұрын
Serious question, what fighter would you suggest when our closest country is Austruckingfalia? It would need lots of hardpoints to attach long range tanks so they could go to more places than the Ohakea circuit. Remember 1977 when the UFOs were frequenting Kaikoura and some media outlet asked the RNZAF about "scrambling" an A-4 and were told it would take *two hours* to get one airborne. Don't think the UFO dudes would wait for that and if they visited on a Wednesday afternoon nobody would come out to say hi.
@ing8404
@ing8404 7 ай бұрын
​@@braveworld2707JAS Gripen E! Cheap, small, highly capable with top tier AESA and weapons like the new Iris-T! Has good hardpoints for external tanks so has excellent range. Built to land on short and rugged dirt roads. Perfect for NZ! Much better than the F-16
@nzgunnie
@nzgunnie 6 ай бұрын
@@braveworld2707 The Skyhawks spent several months each year deployed to Australia, Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia. Also, they were not fighters, or interceptors. They were strike aircraft, and were never kept on any kind of QRA alert.
@braveworld2707
@braveworld2707 6 ай бұрын
​@@nzgunnie I never said anywhere the A-4 was a fighter. Were you around in 1977 when this Kaikoura incident was happening? The UFOs were not sighted on one occasion but on *multiple* occasions so it really wouldn't have been a QRA but a prepared package ready to go if the _visitors_ were spotted again. Of course if the UFOs were spotted on a Wednesday evening then everyone would have been too tired to respond after a busy day playing sports. (At a distance of cira 150NM cruising at 500kts takes all of 18 minutes and an excellent bit of training would take place. Guess they weren't rated for night flying; pity that. 🙄 Looks like the government made the right call getting rid of that drain on the taxpayer.) A Christchurch CAA officer was told by an RNZAF staff officer at Wigram that the RNZAF had to practice aerobatics over Southshore beach in an unsafe manner that could have caused civilian casualties when they screwed up in the _plastic rat_ because _"We are at constant war alert"_ was the quoted reason. Graham's very reasonable response to that absurd statement resulted in the officer on _constant war alert_ slamming the phone down disconnecting the call. So if the RNZAF was unable to shoot off an A-4 on a quick trip from Ohakea to Kaikoura to investigate sighting from the Argosy crews and the Wellington radar controllers what use would they be if an enemy attacked on *any* day especially Wednesday afternoon. Seventeen heaps of smouldering scrap metal all over the Ohakea base on Zero hour +0001 and the "Brlycreem boys" suddenly become infantry. Pip pip tally ......... oh dear. 😲
@nzgunnie
@nzgunnie 6 ай бұрын
@@braveworld2707 again, you are mistaking their role as interceptors, and mistaking the NZDFs role as being focused on defending NZs geographical land mass. The NZDFs role has always been focused on an expeditionary role operating with our allies overseas. This is what they train for, not defending Ohakea against some imaginary attacking force scenario. This is why the A4s spent so much time deployed exercising alongside Australia and our FPDA partners.
@keithdevine8281
@keithdevine8281 3 ай бұрын
They can't operate without Australia
@tadficuscactus
@tadficuscactus 5 ай бұрын
No one wants to fight for ZOG.
@pupjohnson730
@pupjohnson730 Жыл бұрын
Having done that course a few years ago and in the exact same place, i have to say it was the most pathetic training i ever did. Was a huge part in me leaving the service.
@jimjim9520
@jimjim9520 Жыл бұрын
Bro just because that dog bit your nuts🤣
@regregan6852
@regregan6852 9 ай бұрын
Says more about you than any "training" or are you suggesting NZ is not producing competent and quality soldiers?🤔
@regregan6852
@regregan6852 9 ай бұрын
​@MrSaiga308my comment stands...
@braveworld2707
@braveworld2707 9 ай бұрын
@@jimjim9520 What nuts? 🤷‍♂ He gave up and left.
@zaynevanday142
@zaynevanday142 6 ай бұрын
Look at all these butt hurt woketroopers get upset when a real soldier comments 😂😂😂
@philm6722
@philm6722 4 ай бұрын
Good standards not standards based on what the average female can handle. Good job nz adopted aussie doctrine as nz never had any really
@petelosuaniu
@petelosuaniu Жыл бұрын
Give them sabbaticals like the All Blacks
@mnishamalamadingdong1829
@mnishamalamadingdong1829 5 ай бұрын
Could that guy have any less emotion
@jkfdkjjd
@jkfdkjjd 8 ай бұрын
We need to have another cool war like world war 2 or vietnam that would be cool!
@21kiwi24
@21kiwi24 6 ай бұрын
War is not cool
@zaynevanday142
@zaynevanday142 6 ай бұрын
@@21kiwi24why not ? 😂
@zaynevanday142
@zaynevanday142 6 ай бұрын
@@21kiwi24New Zealand hasn’t seen anything but peacekeeping since Vietnam 🇻🇳 😂😂😂
@21kiwi24
@21kiwi24 6 ай бұрын
Sorry how many soldiers did we lose in Afghanistan?​@@zaynevanday142
@user-wj5ln9ud6w
@user-wj5ln9ud6w 3 ай бұрын
​@@zaynevanday142 what was iraq and Afghanistan.
@chrismitchell7801
@chrismitchell7801 Жыл бұрын
Pull your heads in and become part of the Australian Defence Force! Nothing wrong with having a NZ Regiment within their Army.
@bushman759
@bushman759 Жыл бұрын
As a kiwi I agree with this statement.
@regregan6852
@regregan6852 9 ай бұрын
Why? They are having exactly the same issues so what exactly would the point be? Same ship different country.
@frederickmiles327
@frederickmiles327 Жыл бұрын
Australia would be about the min size for a nation to begin to have a comprehensive defence force which requires roughly 100,000 man army, 100 fighter bombers and ten frigates. In many senses NZ abandoned conventional defence about 1955 when reserves were reduced and national service was reduced to a lottery done by about 1/10. The evidence of WW1 and WW2 for NZ and Australia was that civilian armies are effective more in myth than reality, sustain terrible casualties with poor calibre modest IQ troops and poor training and far too often are too slow to stand and fight and follow orders. The glory and greatness of the NZ Army were almost always the Maori units, in Italy with equal numbers good German units would often taken 2/3 days to get past Maori troops. It usually took less than minute for an a good German company to destroy an equivalent Pakeha force. The German army always desired to recruit Maori soldiers, even for SS units even in 1938 the Luckner German 'peace'??? tourists aimed there meetings and indoctrinations heavily at Maoris whose military talents shown in WW1 was one of the few things that impressed them here. In a sense I think the Germans saw Maori units as as possible counter to the North Korean shock troops which spearheaded the Russian Army in the Battle of Moscow and if captured were often invited to fight in the German forces. For New Zealand and Australia even greater problems after ,WW1 and WW2 occurred with the return of destabalised violent and drunk individuals who roamed the countryside.The scale of the problems in Australia, meant after WW2 all the political parties agreed, that to occupy much of the ordinary people postwar, a widedpread factory system of employment would be used to occupy the less than 105 IQ, with long hours of heavy work to preclude involvement in sport and general social activity. Australian military employment in tbe regular forces😢 extended as in NZ in the 1950-1972 period to those who were not really up to it so they could avoid borstal, prison or the general hard factory work. Both in Britain and NZ in the 195Os National Service did not succed in raising great numbers of those used to useful military and civilian standards and was both very expensive and slowed social and economic growth. For nations like the USA and USSR which were still partly war economies in 1960s National Service was arguably useful and necessary if it meant the best and brightest had to serve as well as the gheto. Post war NZ overseas army deployments were generally much smaller scale than Australian. in Korea of the 3 US overall army commanders, only Ridgeway was prepared to use NZ troops While the RNZN ratings of the 6 Loch class frigates were controlled by fairly tight discipline of RN pretty officers. One of the central problems of overseas operational deployments of RNZN cruisers and frigates under Seato, ANZUK command in 1960s and 1970s was discipline and insubordination. The idea that operational deployment means being fired at even with small arms where more demanding operational routing of say Royalist in 1964 or soft power deployments like that of HMNZS Otago and Canterbury to protest bomb tests at Muroroa were the main weapons used and in fact the main weapons on RNZN frigates since 1960 to today are the radar, sonar, communication and electronic intercept and classification systems.P8, OPV and Anzac frigate patrols and monitoring of Chinese fishing, auxiliaries and warships in the region might best be structured by membership of the Quad+1 or quintile which might be the realistic arrangement for what the nation is about.🎉
@braveworld2707
@braveworld2707 9 ай бұрын
Did they not have paragraphs when you were at school? 🤷‍♂ You might have a great comment posted but it's unreadable without paragraphs to break it up a bit.
@1080sucks
@1080sucks 6 ай бұрын
Lot of horseshit in that reply
@21kiwi24
@21kiwi24 6 ай бұрын
Your comment is the perfect example of TLDR. But I managed to force myself too.....first, racist take on Maori. Secondly, your numbers you plucked for fighters and bombers are based on what? Gut feel? Geess
@braveworld2707
@braveworld2707 6 ай бұрын
@@21kiwi24 Mate you are better than me because I took one look at the first couple of lines and gave up laughing at the work of fiction. *Kia kaha!!*
@zaynevanday142
@zaynevanday142 6 ай бұрын
What a complete load of Racist horseshit 😂😂😂
@bushman759
@bushman759 Жыл бұрын
Abolish wokeness and replace leadership at the top with battle harden leaders who have been in combat etc.
@jimjim9520
@jimjim9520 Жыл бұрын
What's wokeness?
@bushman759
@bushman759 Жыл бұрын
@@jimjim9520 Research it.
@josiahsmith7059
@josiahsmith7059 6 ай бұрын
did you ever serve they do completely different roles
@zaynevanday142
@zaynevanday142 6 ай бұрын
100% 💯
@zaynevanday142
@zaynevanday142 6 ай бұрын
@@jimjim9520if you have to ask you are Woke
@addrock7695
@addrock7695 8 ай бұрын
Stop with the cultural element.
@1080sucks
@1080sucks 6 ай бұрын
As Brigadier Poananga once said when asked how many Māori in the NZ army he replied "dont know. We only have soldiers in the NZ Army" he will do me
@stephenlennon7369
@stephenlennon7369 Жыл бұрын
conscriptions of Maori instead of prison give them a chance especially the young offenders
@timtowers7997
@timtowers7997 Жыл бұрын
Rascist wanker. Also what sort of misguided moron would want our defence force stocked by criminals. It hasn't worked for the Russians in Ukraine, and we certainly don't need it here.
@TheWulgus
@TheWulgus Жыл бұрын
i think you should be a thousand kilometres from any decision making power
@stephenlennon7369
@stephenlennon7369 Жыл бұрын
@@TheWulgus well there a huge conflict visiting our waters in 2025 A war with China thanks to American exceptionalism I think you need to WTFU
@thesrow1056
@thesrow1056 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't this just create highly skilled young offenders? It may change the gang conflict in NZ if the gangs are professionally trained like the Mexican cartels 😆
@sheepshaggah8776
@sheepshaggah8776 Жыл бұрын
Lol in WW2, the 28th Maori Battalion was one of NZ's most famous units.
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