What if they just shazamed it

@@owen551 He was talking over the song so I don't think they could have done that

damn already????

Glad someone else won tbh would’ve been left blue balled since it’s a good ass song

thats such a banger nice pick

key word there, subreddit

Arguements*

Dawg theyre just meming, what? Why are people acting like theyre psychotic for joking around

titanfall subreddit

@@smokepeashooter3859 Argugrugement

and the piss wars. no i will not elaborate for the sake of my own sanity

@@therookiegamer2727 lots of good men died in those days

@@therookiegamer2727 I’d ask wtf happened in the piss wars but It almost sounds like I don’t wanna know

@@djroscurro9859 me neither...

We didnt forget. Just workin on the plan to kill him

Not at all a spoiler. I have no clue what I saw.

why do you rest the blame on yourself regardless of what you did to solve a problem and try to enjoy a game?

​@@driftingdruid Yeah if I give a puzzle 20 to 30 minutes and get nothing i'll just look it up. I can't imagine myself beating Grim Fandango without this

Personally I don't enjoy puzzles so I look everything up as soon as it's not instantly obvious, i like gameplay not figuring things out that will waste my time and still not give me any satisfaction. Everyone is different right, I don't think there is a correct way to play anything just whatever makes you happy

Get a friend/girlfriend and have them look it up for u and guide u. If u don't have one . . . sorry?

hes complaining about spoilers while showing spoilers in his video 😐

@@Stuckley Hes just a master editor.

lmao you mean a game that released in 2017, dominated all of KZfaq for like a year straight, and was memed to hell and back. yeah don't want that to be spoiled for you...

@@rintinrina the point was that he's a hypocrite, at no point did they say that he spoiled it for them.

​@@rintinrina So if I haven't played, let's say, Portal or Persona and want to play them as blindly as possible, I'm not allowed to do it cause they weren't released yesterday or there were too many memes about them? Why we can't just agree to not spoiling anything if no one asked to, and ESPECIALLY if you are the one who's whining about games being spoiled and thus ruined, is that too difficult to do?

I simply just play old games that no one really talks about consistently anymore like final fantasy 1-10 or the original resident evil and silent hill trilogies. I got blind playthroughs for all of them and it was such an amazing experience

I find this argument kind of lacking. The individual chooses to remain blind to a game or if they want to start looking into it. Its very easy to avoid something you dont want to see. KH3 was a game that i didnt want to know anything about but that was a horrible choice. I wish i had read up on it before i bought it. That game was a disappointment. Point being, i was able to avoid being informed on the game by not looking for it.

grew up not that well off so i only had my own first ever playstation console like 2 years ago (i’m 24). got the ps4 pro and got some must-have games like horizon zero dawn, god of war and spider-man. i had absolutely no idea what even the general premise of the games are, but i loved every single moment playing those games. it felt like i was discovering the world, learning the skills and the history alongside the characters. the gaming experience felt more immersive and intimate.

@@manray0703 You say this until you accidentally read a comment or a video titled that says "Arthur Morgan Dies". Suddenly the end of a game is spoiled for you forever. This is true for any form of media. You don't have to *search* for something to have it spoiled for you.

@@potawatadingdong I know this sucks but the fact that you know something is going to happen in a story doesn't mean it's not worth getting through. Also you can make an effort to not going to videos or pages dedicated to the media you are consuming, which is the point of the video.

That's what did with Blasphemous after I beat the game but only had 97% of all items

Me and Elden Ring. Yeah I’m spoiling myself, but I just like finding everything, even if missing something is ultimately okay.

As a college student, I agree. You don't always have time for that. You are playing like for hour per day, I won't like to spend 5 hrs on a single level. I like slow paced games but I don't like being Stuck on a level for hours.

FOMO is made up. Just don't feel it.

​@@Maskeroff. same, i have work , and i can't sacrifice my sleep. I still enjoy every minute of the game despite being spoiled. It would still need to have a certain level of skill to finished a boss fight.

I once looked up how to solve a Zelda puzzle and felt so mad because the solution is way simpler than the puzzle

That fucking puzzle in control... i tried for 3 hours without discovering and my cousin on the call just searched and gave me the answer... i was so mad, but happy that i passed that stupid puzzle

Yeah, that tends to happen in some puzzle heavy series like portal or Zelda: every once in a while, you’ll get a puzzle that you just don’t get, and it turns out to be the simplest thing ever

Sometimes I think the solution is a convoluted thing when it's simpler.

Not overthinking the puzzle is probably the hardest puzzle that any Zelda game has to offer.

I know right, I am literally playing Sekiro right now, and I had no clue that that boss even existed.

exactly lol

I feel bad for you guys, because initially it took hours for me to even take him out, only for that to happen. Was very satisfying finally beating him though.

420, nice

I am currently playing hollow knight... 0:55 Spoiler warning AFTER he showed the full goddamn map and shown things i havent gotten to yet. Like gee thanks bro 👌 i will never watch any of his content again

It's not that they're not spoiling anything, it's that you had enough time to play the damn game and you didn't, getting spoiled is equally yours and the spoilers fault.

@@davidreljac1707 That assumes everyone knows every video game, movie, and TV series ever. I, myself, just discovered this video game about one week ago, so I literally did not have enough time to play the damn game. That goes for everything.

@@piadas804 Yeah, but the rule of "Nobody cares, it's been [Blank amount] years already" is still something people apply to all sorts of media. By your logic, Shakespeare's works have been spoiled to everyone, since everyone knows how Romeo and Juliet. But guess what? Nobody cares, it's been 430 years already!

@@davidreljac1707 "Nobody" cares because Shakespeare's works are not popular nowadays. Some video games, movies, and TV series are extremely popular, and people actually care for their plot.

@@piadas804 If popularity is your measure of what should and shouldn't be spoiled, then A LOT of entertainmento media can be freely spoiled to anyone (This includes things that are not old but haven't garnered much popularity). Besides, measuring purely on popularity is very flawed, as it assumes everyone everywhere shares the same awareness of the popularity of a specific topic, when that couldn't be farther from the truth.

@Metal Sign to be fair spoiler mode is also just really fun to say for some reason, plus it's technically more correct since it encompasses (the other spoiler)

I feel like The Witness community is like this

Hades community too, try not to spoil the main boss etcetera

God please play outer wilds if anyone is reading this

@@MnemonicHeadTrip PLAY OUTER WILDS PLEASEEE. IT'S SOOO GOOD, I CAN'T TELL YOU ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT JUST TRUST ME PLEASE, PLAY IT BLIND

That wasn't spoiling anything though, except maybe that the game isn't just a cute dating game. But if you couldn't figure that out from "Psycholgical Horror" then that's on you tbh

@@scarabdust As he mentions in the video, without looking into it you wouldn't know WHY it has the psychological horror tag. The visual effects are a huge contributor to the vibe of the game, so spoiling that aspect is still a spoiler.

@@quoipi You still don't really learn anything from that screencap other than "well, the game gets a little dark and scary." Which again, you probably could have gleaned from the Psychological Horror tag and the fact that the game straight up warns you that disturbing things will happen.

@@scarabdust The term “psychological horror” can mean anything that relates to disturbing themes, but the main twist of the game is that it becomes glitchy and sentient -breaks the 4th wall-( which is what this vid shows here). I think part of the magic is that the game spends 2-3 hours being an actual (non-horror) dating sim, so when stuff started to get glitchy and messed-up, it’s really meant to take you by surprise. You first think that the dark part is the ending of your 1st playthrough, and may go to for your 2nd to avoid it from happening… and then game says NOPE and decides to not hold back anymore. I played the game when it was still new and only a handful of youtubers put out their first episode/s of their playthrough , so maybe it was different experience compared to now where everyone knows to some extent that DDLC is culturally accepted as a horror game.

@@bananacakesmckanzee7290 We have the context of the game though, so we know what the dark glitchy stuff means when we see screenshots or screencaps. A completely new player wouldn't really take away anything from the screencap in the video--other than, again, that the game gets dark and isn't a normal dating sim. An actual spoiler would be like a screenshot of Sayori hanging herself or something, not something that has zero context.

this i could understand sometimes it just feels like youre missing something even though youve thought you searched every single nook and cranny

Counterpoint: That doesn't rationalize looking up guides on the internet for every shortcoming you come across because that, as he says in the video, ruins the game. Also bees roam around entrances and exits of the Hive so it's a subtle hint.

​​@@shanerichartyeah but there's games that straight up hide stuff so stupidly that it makes no sense like for example fromsoft games, there is not a single person I've met that found out where Nameless king, Owl father or Darklurker is without looking up a guide and sometimes these things are missable so you'd just be playing the game thinking yeah I'll just keep playing till I find out then reach a certain point where it becomes unaccessible, guides for well hidden stuff like this or things like items are justifiable Imo, it doesn't ruin the game at all if you're literally missing out on the cool stuff that the game has but is locked behind a complex system

@@bourne. Fair point taken, but we're talking about games that encourage the player to search around and break things to find new areas. The only vague area to unlock is maybe Kingdom's edge, but I haven't met someone who missed that. When people encounter a single shortcoming they dash to Reddit and ask questions even though they obviously haven't found an item or hit a lever yet. The point made in the video is that if you sacrifice going into the game blind to overcome a problem that could be easily fixed later on spoils the game. Hollow Knight is a game that literally makes you explore so when you come across one locked door or something it shouldn't be imperative to hastily dash to a social media website and spoil your own experience for obvious answers.

"Things that I would've never found" followed by "would take hours of searching to actually find" meaning you just invalidated your argument and called yourself lazy, getting the collector's map helped me find the entrance so just playing enough will give you everything you need

Ibz! Love your videos man

@@TheStellarJay I just found your channel, I like what I see so far. You got a big future ahead!

"...that doesnt run around in circles for 30 minutes." - Ni-ni-ni-ni-ni-ni! ;-)

This means a lot when ibz(#1 hater) is the one saying it

I mean, he could've ran in corcles a LITTLE bot just to get monetized, I wouldn't complain

haha me with Hollow Knight. I watched a playthrough up until the Broken Vessel boss (those who know what happens after you beat it understand) thinking I would probably never play this game. Until I realized that I might actually love this game so I stopped watching it and played it myself. God damnit I wish I went in blind. (Hollow Knight is still my all time favorite game though)

@@Melotaku same with me but I actually watched a 100% playthrough fully twice, then I realized I had Xbox game pass (which is on computer too for some reason), which had hollow knight, and I got it

Deepnest isn't too bad!! You should venture in!! When it got too creepy atmosphere wise though I would play podcasts so I would be less scared LMAO

@@chenwingsee well I mean I've been into deepnest but I am to lazy to do it and I just don't like the ambiance I'm not exactly "scared", I just don't like the area

@@notacat6832 I actually quite like the atmosphere of deepnest. But I love dark and eerie environments in games so I'm a bit biased. I do prefer the abyss over deepnest though.

i dont give a fuck about puzzles in games if its not ap uzzle game i remeber bdos old way of unlock khazarka only time ive ever cheated clientside in a game

"Hey I'll click on a video featuring a game I haven't played and don't want to see spoilers for. Why are there spoilers?! REEEEE" Gotta love video game consumers. If you haven't played Hollow Knight by now, you're probably never going to, you can't demand the internet remain careful of spoilers forever. Btw Sephiroth kills Aerith, Snape kills Dumbledore, Samus is a woman, and the cake isn't a lie.

@@FreePigeon This is such a strange take because it's assuming everyone has all of the time in the world to play video games and not miss out on releases, or more simply just not be in the mood to play a specific type of game at a given time. Not to mention the younger generation who is growing up and playing older video games. Ever heard of college before? A job maybe? If not, the website called indeed is rather helpful. You could use it. Might teach you a thing or two. The video is centered about not ruining video games and it's ruining them by telling spoilers for the game the video is centered around. This isn't exactly rocket science. I'm sure somewhere in that rotting husk of a skull there's some resemblance of a brain and deep down, and I mean really deep down, you are a smart and educated individual who is capable of critical thinking and basic comprehension.

@@catchet1what if all they have is a rotting husk of a skull?

@@catchet1 jesus christ, i mean you're right but holy shit, why so vicious?

lmao

I was fuming when he showed the monkey boss fight's twist in the background footage without warning while complaining about that EXACT moment getting spoiled for him.

@@paradoxicaloutcome1007 same thing happened when he was talking about ddlc briefly at the end

Yea, I was thinking about that myself… Not the smartest move

He also got the skip timestamp for Hollow Knight wrong. Yeah the game is 5 years old but if you're gonna do a spoiler warning anyway please make sure the timestamp is right.

Sadly some people are not patient enouth to explore If you are searching the last few thing an cant find them, its a bit more understandable than being "stuck" in the very earlygame

I dare you to finish the original Day of the Tentacle without looking the answers in a guide.

@@Tamos40000 me?

@@janjunker6458 It was more of a general "you"

@@Tamos40000 ahh

I agree to this. I only had to look up one thing. *THOSE DAMNED BOUNCY MUSHROOMS!*

I give myself an hour because I got stuff to do and limited time.

I dont search it up unless im so bored of trying to figure it out that im about to quit

agreed, I think it's completely understandable to look up a hint or a solution if you've spent a stupidly long time on a puzzle that should be easy

I do this with Metroid (older Metroid not modern modern is very clear)

All for a game that’s just been taking a little bit longer than average to make. Imagine if the Duke Nukem fan base was as impatient as Hollow Knight, they would’ve literally gone insane waiting for Duke Nukem Forever

@@bandannadoo the funny thing is despite going a bit crazy over (previously) not having news about Silksong, the majority of the fanbase is perfectly accepting of not having it release for a few years. They know that the longer the wait for it, the more likely it will be even better than the original.

ur comment is gold lmao

fr

After months of feeling like a clown thinking news would come out, it's official silksong is coming out this year !!

Take my like and take it with pride 😂

Definitely. I think we all wish we could play a game like hollow knight again for the first time. Magic really is the best word to describe it 😊

Can't relate If the surprise factor is the only thing making a game interesting and fun, then it probably wasn't very good in the first place.

I feel this. Its why I won't google any guides. Was shocked to think people actually look up maps for hollow knight

@@NeoDark93 dont be a smartass , they obviously nnean that the surprise ENHANCES the experience... not that is all the game has to it. For example : Bloodborne . If you know what happens in the story , the game is still awesome , but if you dont , it is the most unique experience of your life

While true, a lot of games with complex systems and broad skilltrees seem better when you already know what to do. The first time i played Prey and Witcher 3, i got captured by the story, but i was also confused when it came to skills and crafting. Second time, i already knew my way around and could make a build that is way more fun and engaging.

I give a puzzle two hours give or take of not making progress before I look up an answer. I feel like that is a good compromise

@@meee_5155 Oh, totally! I’d say that’s reasonable.

@@meee_5155 im in the same boat, if it takes too long, or i just cant seem to figure it out after a set period of time, solution hunting happens.

sometimes tho i just get bored of the puzzles cause I've been stuck on them for a while and just search up the answers online

Y’a In hollow knight I killed broken vessel and then it’s dream varient lost kin then proceeded to search 99% of the map looking for the Monarch wings. I had to look up their location. From the various places I’d seen I knew there had to be a double jump somewhere and I was a room off from swing it

fair point

The best way to play the game is the one where you can finish the game is how I see it. *Looks over at the hundreds of incomplete games in my steam library* ....Yeah so as long as you are having fun you are doing it right.

think that's why he said "unless you are genuinely frustrated," as, for example, with the hollow knight thing, that person clearly did not exhaust all available options before going on the website to figure it out basically, at least give the game a shot on its own before you try to look it up, which might seem obvious, but based on some of the reddit posts shown in this video, it demonstrably isn't to everyone

unless you have exhausted all your options and genuinely arent having fun anymore, just assume it will get resolved by the end of the game, dont look it up, if its a puzzle you need to do now, try taking a bit of a break, approaching stuff from a new perspective while being less immersed helps with a lot of puzzles

Hollow Knight and many metroidvania/puzzle/exploration games work partly because the "frustration" you feel just makes the success feel better. But sure, before completely giving up a game, looking something up carefully might be worth it. Asking friends who already played that game for a hint might work even better because they won't spoil half of the game.

It helps to refine your search-fu for spoiler-free guides/tips, answers to specific questions (like "Are there points of no return in [game title here]?"), and beginner's guides.

Just start over?

@@jpraczbr8413 a very good point I struggle to just hit the reset in games and do over, you really need to in strategy games with connecting campaign battles

@@jpraczbr8413 dude, I got a fulltime job, and a backlog bigger than most kid's Christmas lists. Ain't nobody got time for that.

@@jpraczbr8413 not an option for people who work or don't have that much time to play, i do prefer looking for the trophy guide and go to the missable and related to difficulty trophies so i don't have to do 2 runs reasons i don't have that much fun in games anymore is due to grinding for collectibles and having to play first on hard, then on the next difficulty level it unlocks when you beat the game

I use two methods to get around this. Remove every related video to a game I want to play from my watch history, and do the not interested thing, and use a separate guest account when I just want to view a trailer. It's really effective, unless you consider a tiny thumbnail that you see for half a second a massive spoiler

Do you have photographic memory or something? Because I watched those trailers and I can tell you that I barely remember 5% of what was shown. It's not like it's a game with a story that could be spoiled by bad trailer editing.

@@spirit.ofthe.harvestmoon I not only avoiding the trailers I mean anything from it so any gameplay counts too

@@dogi46 I understood that gameplay was also being avoided(it's the thing Cuphead has to offer, after all). I just don't understand how the trailer of a gameplay could affect your blind playthrough)

@@spirit.ofthe.harvestmoon it wouldn't, I just don't want even a frame spoiled because i loved the game a lot and the dlc is the only thing i was excited for compared to the other games announced

Probably, but you gotta admit that when you search at least 3 hours for one thing it get's annoying and it'd not gonna be fun anymore

@@laka4049 those people did not search for three hours my guy

Also known as an indie game

@@laka4049 yeah When playing through ori and the will of the wisps I had to check like 2 things from a walkthrought as I hadn't figured them out and had walled through the map 3-4 times checking each potential road to reach more progression and still not finding anything But that's about the amount I think doesn't ruin the whole experience

@@RushWheeler VIDEO GAME RACISM

yeah I've ruined most of Elden Ring for myself by doing this

I've stopped watching speedruns bc of that. I would try to emulate some of the strats and exploits and ruin the game's intended difficulty.

I ruined fire emblem 3 houses with too much planning. I spent 30 hours on the game and I was barely half way through. It has gotten to the point where I try to look up nothing and just have fun rather than overanalyzing.

This actually makes me enjoy games more. I like to optimize and spend my time and resources in game as efficient as possible

Perusing build guides before playing is one thing. Having to have the META build that has been well treaded by others... well, I don't understand that mentality, but some people do it. 🤷‍♀

This happens to me on a regular basis. I despise it

its not hard its so easy.

i wanted to look up the edgerunners trailer, so i wrote "cyberpunk edgerunners" and before i could even write trailer the youtube autofill result was the death of a major character :/

@@advakart4208 Yes, that too.

@@advakart4208 thats the worst feeling ever.

Yeah. There is a balance. There are not enough clues in Hollow Knight to know about the hive or the white palace without looking it up on the internet IMO. Which is a shame, because someone exploring the Hollow Knight wiki will have a lot of the game spoiled for them.

@@owen551 The hive is fair enough, but I think the White Palace is definitely understandable. Most players will end up working through the Seer quests as they gather more essence, and remembering the corpse of the kingsmould having a barrier around it isn't too much of a stretch. I can definitely see why some would miss it, but I think there's just enough for the majority of people to catch on.

@@owen551 Huh? Does the collector's map not show the grubs there?

​@@knowledgeacquirer2931 True, but that one peak into the hive with one of the grubs is the only real indication it even exists tbh. A single random breakable wall across some spikes and below the hive, is still really difficult to find.

@@_maestro7168 there are like 4 entrances from the tram pass to the hive

spending less time on social media is usually helpful for that. Cant experience fomo if you are ignorant of the things you missed out on.

I feel you on this, it's ruined far too many classic games I think I'd otherwise be able to properly appreciate - partly due to permanently missable content in games like Final Fantasy 7. So recently, I played one of these older games I'd yet to beat because of this, Vandal Hearts (great game, though unfortunately and unrightly not listed on the Playstation Store). This time, though, I went after secrets I'd remembered, but elected to not look anything else up about the game. So I enjoyed the ride, saw how the game ended, and it was beautiful; ended up being worth it. The advice I have for you is to just not give a crap about other people's experiences with games and just find your own path, because what a good game gives you shouldn't rely on what other people enjoyed about it. If you like the game enough that you'll want to play it again some other time, _then_ try and find stuff you didn't know about - maybe even keep a notebook or something if you're a completionist, so you can note down stuff you don't want to miss next time.

Do you realize that you may not have the same experience as the people who discovered it on their own? Just play, if you miss something nothing happens, but if you grab a guide you already ruined the ENTIRE game

@@wilsonarenas7583 i wouldnt put it like that. Playing a game with a guide is a DIFFERENT experience than playing it blind. Neither is inherently worse than the other.

You have to embrace that you can't be a completionist in life. This is an existential thing. Get over it.

This, but I also think that it's also about what the game is as well. Undertale? Toby Fox had trouble making a trailer because almost every instance would count as huge spoilers. Legend of Zelda? Apparently developers themselves wanted the game to be played like your dad played, a game with a pure sense of adventure with your friends, same with Pokemon. Hollow Knight meanwhile, similar to Undertale, is definitely not a game you want spoiled in majority of context, Silksong pretty much too. Rain World, on the other hand, is what I find a very interesting experience: on one end, it's better you enter in blind because it's an experience trying to survive in that enviorment; on the other end looking up some walkthroughs, asking for help and spoiling a bit about where to go and what you will find is something you can do because the game can be ruthless and you must learn on your own. I looked up control and movement walkthroughs as well as spoilt myself with the existence of characters and creatures, as well the entire playthrough of the hard difficulty, but that barely ruined the fun I had with the game because the game has so much that you are driven to replay it and replay it for the experience alone. I do not suggest spoiling yourself fully (especially the storyline), but I do encourage you if you want some help by spoiling yourself. So in few words, yeah, it's not just about the player but it's also what kind of game are you playing.

@@zoki4291 I completely agree.

Still very much not the same. One is asking a friend who is also playing the game. The other is asking a sea of anonymous all guaranteed to have the answer in intimate detail. It's the wiki. It's the walkthrough. It's the "I don't really want to play the game, I just want to beat it."

@@dopaminecloud yeah, but my point wasn’t that asking friends for help makes games more fun, my point was that people all have fun in different ways. Maybe someone has more fun playing a game just to beat it. Some people find ways to speed through games as quickly as possible so they can be at the top of a leaderboard. Fun is subjective. Who are we to judge a person for how they enjoy something? I do think that we can all agree though, the guy who asked about the second knight is just fucking stupid.

there's a distinct difference between working through it with friends and consulting the omniscient internet about trivial problems you have at the start of the game, honestly it frustrates me a lot when I see stuff like this, I was hanging out in the binding of isaac discord server, and someone playing the game for the first time was in the chat asking what every single item did before picking it up... it made no sense to me. they refused to actually just play the damn game. and when I tell them they should just play it instead of asking everyone constantly, they act all butthurt as if I'm being a dick for telling them maybe they should play the video game instead of having everyone else play it for them.

it's such a beautiful game

Got stuck and couldn't even find where to keep exploring so I dropped the game. I'm not a kid anymore so I don't have time to waste hours trying to progress in a game with purposefully confusing exploration anymore. The people with the patience to look up what to do probably had a better time than me. Dont know why the guy uploading the video thinks you should waste time figuring out how to experience the game.

@@sleeplessomniman5204 look I don't want to be mean but if you haven't progressed decently far into the game (as in gotten the first ending at least) and you can't figure out where you can continue exploring in 10 to 20 mins MAX you have to be pretty fucking stupid ngl.

@@sleeplessomniman5204 maybe try out tetris, sounds like it would be your jam - pretty straightforward!

@@s8n.. I feel like you think I'm saying the game is bad. I'm just saying that its not accessible to people that don't play games like that. And while I've never looked into it, now that I can see that other people have had the same problem it makes me more sure of my assessment of the game.

Stuff like that is what ruined CoD zombies for me (and the lead director leaving while Activision was doing Activision things). When I finished the WaW campaign with my cousin in 2008 and we got dropped into zombies it was a magical moment. Not knowing what to do, the slow build up of zombies (that does make it hard to go back to now). And every game kept expanding on that. Load into a new map without knowing anything and just figure it out. They were good at adding more mechanics and every map was more fun than the last while slowly building up this story. Use the environment and world building to solve the puzzles and survive. Once Black Ops 3 came around, there was a dedicated community and all of a sudden every dlc map that came out was completely solved and everything about it discovered by the end of the week, I think in one case it took 12 hours. It was fun to be a part of a large community all trying to discover things but waiting 2-3 months just to spend less than a week playing each dlc eventually wasn’t fun. I don’t want every map to just be “look up the 30 minute guide.” And I think the mentality of just watching the KZfaqrs solve everything in a day (in some cases they got early access to dlc) kinda ruined my enjoyment going forward. I bought WWII and it was such a breath of fresh air to have hints in game but you didn’t need to go to KZfaq. Cold War was similar, it never felt like I needed to go to KZfaq and I could just figure it out slowly with my friends by putting our brains together. Keep in mind, I did enjoy black ops 3 a lot, to the point that it’s one of my favourite cod games even though I’ve been around since 2008, but my love for zombies did not continue into black ops 4. I didn’t want that same experience. I just want to play a game, occasionally look something up if I’m brain dead or the developers made a bad puzzle (Uncharted 3 light room), but mostly just experience it without the help of others.

@tph_dragon🐁 that's infuriating too, but my main issue is that all we've gotten is the title drop at this point. No game. There is no game yet. The game has yet to be sold, and people are already acting like it's been released and releasing tips, tricks, lore, etc, for a game that they don't have access to. They are essentially lying all for the sake of getting that sweet, sweet youtube money by milking as much of it out of the title drop as they can. The only ones I forgive are the trailer analysis videos because that's content made from content avaliable, but imagine you never heard about the game until you saw one of these "tears of the kingdom tips" videos and then looked up the game only to find out that its not even released. I'm just disappointed in how many people in the Zelda community are willing to, essentially, lie and pretend that they're in the know to the rest of the community all for the youtube cash.

I am intentionally avoiding any media around that game for the very reason stated in the video. When I first played BOTW, I was amazed and had so much fun discovering its world. I really want to do it again for Tears of the Kingdom.

I dont think it's bad ; it's simple you don't see those videos . No matter how infuriating it is . Don't look up the guides to spoil for yourself but I disagree with the game tips being available is a issue. It is a divisable opinion but that's it.

I like theorycrafting before the game releases, really makes me feel like a part of something bigger.

I hear you

same, i´m 18 and currently working and going to university, you just can´t spend so much time on games anymore, there´ll be a moment you´ll be able to enjoy with no spoilers, however sometimes you gotta look stuff up

5!?!?!?!?

I don't understand. Why not pick a different game that would work better for someone who can't take the time so solve puzzles on his own? If you care so much about efficiency, why not go all the way and play something you'd enjoy more instead of prostrating yourself before GameFAQs?

Not quite sure how to unpack this. Can't tell if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing. The reason I don't pick a different game is because I still enjoy these games. There really isn't one specific way to enjoy a game. And not everybody cares about solving every little puzzle on their own. It sounds like you do. And I do too, but with my life changes, like family(which is way more important than games to me), I tend to enjoy the game in any way that fits my lifestyle. It's not like playing the game this way is the most honorable way to play. Amongst other nerds and "hard core gamers" it might. But lets be honest, I have a massive life outside of games. I'll enjoy them my way :) @@simonplumaj5542

Yeah, Fran Bow is cool but suffers so much from this

Looking at you Fallout 4 Railroad quest, and Skyrim Barenziah stones quest. I'm fine with no quest markers. Hell I'd disable the entire UI if I could for Skyrim sometimes, just to have more immersive fun. But my god when a game gives you quest markers for EVERYTHING. And then for this One quest that's like "oh ya know, find it." Like AGH. It makes me so mad because if you're not well versed in Boston and history, or are playing Skyrim and don't want to trek back and forth for 3 hours looking over every spot you could've missed a stone, you tend to get frustrated. just my opinion though, fuck no quest markers Sometimes.

Hollow knight or similar games arent for you then. Theres millions of other games to play that are more your speed.

@@smegspreader shut up please

@@smegspreader no it's for everyone who wants to play it and if they want to look stuff up, that's 100% okay. Gatekeeping is worthless.

"Food tastes better after you put a little work into it" couldn't have said it better myself

Bro, this is exactly how my experience went. I loved the ori games, had hollow knight in my wishlist, finally got it. Now I'm addicted to it, and attempting speedruns. Hollow knight is best!

I had the same experience, but I still prefer Ori over Hollow Knight. Hollow Knight slaps though.

Yes. Just, yes.

I might sound rude but for me No jrpg can top the legend of heroes trails series And I am not talking about just story This franchise is peak jrpg

I only look things up when I’m finished with a game but still don’t understand what happened (Hollow Knight lore, Undertale’s endings, Rogue Legacy and Rogue Legacy 2’s unique story basis, etc.) or when I’m incredibly stuck on a single stupid puzzle (oh my lord are some of Ocarina of Time’s puzzles difficult).

imo the best way to approach these kind of problems, the devs dind't expect you to 100% the game first try anyways and there's always that one puzzle that took you a week to solve so you had to look it up (but doing it on your own feels more satisfying tho)

Yeah, i finished hollow knight with like 94% completion (1st ending). So i really would have to now go through the whole map, checking every single wall for a secret room to find the extra hidden stuff. I didnt do that, i "spoiled" myself the location of those 4 or so rooms. Also i somehow missed one of the simple keys in an area i already revealed. Finding the key with no help would take even more time.

After dying several times at Pantheon of Sage I just gave up and went to youtube to see the godhome ending

same! I usually like to try stuff until things aren't fun and then try and get help looking up things. I feel like it really is just a different way to experience games. Then again I'm someone who's pretty chill about spoilers, I try to avoid them but I feel like experiencing something with knowledge of a spoiler beforehand can sometimes enhance an experience

You kind of need to explore everything anyway though and you have a map, dont know how you would get lost.

He just said the reason...

but you don't need any sense of direction, you can always check the map every seconds and just go to random unlocked map

In a game with LITERAL bright shining beacons at every checkpoint.

Weak.

@@KwikBR and what about it? 🤨

Ohhh yeah those are good pointers. I think players sometimes worry they're doing something wrong too quickly, so this reassures them they're on the right track and need to give it a few more tries

The Outer Wilds community is one of the greatest for understanding how not to spoil

​@@peterpeladoni mean, if you spoil that game, It will become just a bad game

@@quemuraa I don't think it's even a game. Just a flight simulator with text all over the place pretty much.

​@@bananatheo3796bro hasn't played outer wilds 🔥🔥🔥🔥

I really think hollow knight is a game that is super easy to get stuck on. Yes it's not ideal to have to look something up, but without someone to walk you through it sometimes you have to. I've literally done the same thing where I sit with my friend / bf and just watch them and maybe gently nudge them. Like yeah it's probably cooler to just be amazing at the game or suck until u get better but if you barely missed a bench right before a fight it might be nice to have someone help to keep that from happening.

Yeah sometimes the best advice for a piece of media is to never look it up. Same with The Good Place which is a show. I initially didn’t wanna watch it but heard it’s good, just DON’T read anything about it. They were right, it was amazing.

The only thing I have searched for un botw aré the koroks because I'm not gonna check every single spot in the game until I get them all

Definitely amazing. I played botw when it launched knowing nothing about Zelda and it was peak. The funnest thing is I even didn't know how to use the mission locater on the map and I spent so many hours searching for the Divine Beast locations.

the only things i searched up in that game were 3 things: location of the last 2 great fairy fountains (cuz fk that lol), and ways to farm arrows. i’m really glad i searched up the second thing, because it led me to doing the tarrey town quest (i also used a guide for that quest, cuz i knew there was gonna be so much backtracking and i didn’t wanna bother - that’s my 3rd search). botw is one of the best games i’ve ever played. waiting for a discount or smth for totk lol

For me the game that made me realise that spoiling myself was not a good idea is Dark Souls. Not that I checked for guides or ask questions, but after playing DS3 (yeah, I played that one first) I read and watched a shit ton of Dark Souls lore to the point where Dark Souls 1 wasn't really new for me, which sucks because I regret doing that to this day.

And then there’s me , I looked up the answer the first time I played Twilight Princess and I looked up the answer every time I’ve played that game since then.

really? can no one figure stuff out on their own

The same thing happened to me for the most part. I did the whole thing by myself, but I looked it up at one point because I didn't know a big gameplay mechanic: you can jump on spikes using your nail. Somehow I had gotten through the whole game without that coming up so I never found out you could do it. After I knew about that, the rest of it was easy... Well, comparatively speaking anyway.

mood bro

@@NovusIgnis That does come up in a bunch of areas that can only be crossed using nail jumps on spikes. You must not have explored everything if you didn't find that out until Path of Pain.

Yea I felt all these feelings too

@@NovusIgnisSame, I was in a discord call when I learned in white palace that you could pogo on spikes and my friend was lost for words that I made it that far without realizing that.

How do you know if it's required to the story before you look it up?

@@Beeftitan probably just an educated guess based on prior experiences with games

Yep zoomers. "Just google it" is in their life blood. They'll learn eventually tho.

Sometimes I spend an hour or two looking and just decide I don’t really want to spend the time on it and get on with my day and search that one little thing up. It’s not that serious.

@@cotton3399 Yeah. Especially if you're not one for puzzles.

I buy games for combat, not puzzles most of the time. Usually I can figure it out on my own but my patience runs very thin so I don't bother for too long if I can't figure it out. I don't see how that a bad thing.

@@switchblade6 then don't buy puzzle games. You guys are literally sad

I don't think that's a bad thing at all though; if an open-world game _doesn't_ make you want to go off the beaten path it generally means they haven't made the world interesting or exciting enough

Trying to be a completionist can really ruin a game experience and it's often something I need to protect myself from. I give myself a pass in looking stuff up if I'm close to getting all of it but I still need like 1 to have all of them so I can unlock something, but these days I try to force myself to just not bother with getting everything, as it really kills the excitement. Tears of the Kingdom ends up being a surprising antidote to this. In some way it's an utter completionists nightmare as there's just constantly so many things to do, everywhere and all of the time. Most of the time there's several things in sight to do or collect and by the time you get to any of them you've come across several more. It's so much that it turns back on itself and just makes me feel it's fine to miss stuff.

Good luck figuring out how to spare toriel with that kind of strategy

@@MisterIncog Clever comment

"Did I ever tell you, what the defenition of insanity was ?"

@@tartipouss and I’m pretty sure it’s not the only place in the entire gaming where the expected and unobvious strategy is some form of “keep doing what you do until you get a result”

​@@MisterIncog There are two hints in the game which may help. Hint 1: There is a single Froggit in the ruins who tells you that you may need to one day spare a monster whose name is not yellow or pink. This hint is somewhat obscure and easy to miss. Hint 2: If Toriel has been killed in a previous run, any attempt at talking to her after the first time results in the narrator quote "Can you show mercy without fighting or running away...?". This hint is not easy to miss. A player fighting Toriel after having killed her is obviously going to be looking for a way to spare her, as there is no other reason to replay the fight. The only option they have besides fighting is talking. And talking shows this hint. If the player tries to talk repeatedly, the hint is shown repeatedly. You would have to have an exceptionally thick skull for you not to get that you're supposed to spare her.