How to run Hybrid Workshops w/ Remote Guests

How to run Hybrid Workshops w/ Remote Guests | ATEM Mini Extreme Setup

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Every wanted to have seamless interaction between online and face-to-face participants? Join me as I break down a setup that can do exactly that!
The two cornerstones of this setup are the ATEM Mini Extreme and the Zoom Livetrack L-8. Using these in combination with some cameras (This setup shows the GH5 and G85, but the Sony a6600 or BMPCC 4k are also great options), microphones and screens you can create an experience that caters for those tuning on online, or who happen to be in the room.
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0:00 - Intro
0:33 - 4 Rules of the Set-Up
1:49 - The 4 Experiences to create
3:19 - An Example of the Set-Up
7:18 - The 1st Cornerstone: Sound Mixer Livetrak L-8
9:30 - The 2nd Cornerstone: Vision Mixer ATEM Mini Extreme
10:10 - Diagram of the Set-Up
13:11 - Limitations
15:05 - The Role of the Switcher
16:08 - Setting Up Zoom
17:44 - Zoom Alternatives: Skype, OBS, vMix, Vimeo

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@rss_thms Жыл бұрын

This is quite possibly the best video on this I have found. I work for an online university and we want to improve the production quality of our webinars/lectures and also have something afterwards we can repurpose, so this has been incredibly helpful. Thank you for making this (and feel free to make more 🙂)

@jimisweetnyc Жыл бұрын

i'm genuinely impressed with this video. nice job.

@askanthony 2 жыл бұрын

Great content and nice touch of humor and very genuine

@LukeJohnEmmett 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video. So clearly explained. I run the tech side of virtual/hybrid events and this video has unfogged my brain with regards to easy routing and mix minus. My method was MUCH more complicated. So thank you for taking the time to share. Massively appreciated.

@Calvarydima Жыл бұрын

Guys you are genius OM how simple and yet brilliant it can be

@dogsod 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this helpful video.

@offorh.i.c8374 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! Timely also. I run, to the little best of my ability for now, the visuals probono for my local church within the AV team or any Faith-based programmes any church member has in my state and this video has just made my day. Thank you so so so much Sir and may God bless you all immeasurably.

@Calvarydima Жыл бұрын

Probably the best video and definitely my KZfaq Chanel creator of the week for me. Or perhaps even a creator of the month !

@NjokuSomto 3 жыл бұрын

This channel is so underrated. Great video! Will try out these as we have hybrid events every once in a while.

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! All the best with your hybrid event!

@SuperCleary 2 жыл бұрын

This is a really cool setup. Nice stuff.

@Eliott_berger 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for this video mate, this is really helpful !

@revmarkmcdonald 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, this is a great overview video. It is a level above what I needed but it is good to see what is possible if we stretch.

@KenKasischke 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, thanks for your effort!

@RaulFontes 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, really what I needed. Thank you ;)

@jonloeppkycreative Жыл бұрын

Great job. I'm currently designing a livestream for a client offering hybrid in-person/online training. I found your video extremely helpful. Thx

@arinfilms Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot dear for such a wonderful masterclass. Regards

@nitsharma2k 2 жыл бұрын

very comprehensive and relevent content. Thanks

@LoveStoryArt 3 жыл бұрын

Great video and resources. I think your content easily adapts to small/medium enterprises and other non-profits. Will be taking the course.

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I'll see you around in the course!

@kelvinsanaescott5500 Жыл бұрын

Outstanding video. We’ve been wanting to integrate zoom with our livestream setup for our Sunday school and mid week Bible class. I wasn’t sure how to set it all up. This video has been very informative and helpful. I will come back hopefully later this week to let you know how it goes. Thank you so much.

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 Жыл бұрын

It's been a few months but how did you go?

@tedz2000 3 ай бұрын

Great presentation, from Los Angeles…

@TerenceKearns Жыл бұрын

Wow. That’s complicated but you did a great job explaining it

@phcphcphc 2 жыл бұрын

Very good explanation of a hybrid setup. I wish I had the brain to fully understand it.

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 2 жыл бұрын

I have faith in you Pete!

@IFPRI 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic video! I've now transitioned into this exact set-up for my organization's hybrid events. One big question, though: Do you have guidance on how to configure the L-8?

@ivansamokhin2750 2 жыл бұрын

At out contemporary arts Center we use Allen & heath sq5 for audio + vMix (vMix call for interviewees + can connect zoom audience & laptop presentation via ndi) + blackmagic television studio 4k. It’s not optimal bit this is what we had :)

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 2 жыл бұрын

Whatever gets the job done!

@etavsolucoeslda8558 Жыл бұрын

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@benmccammick-copley2907 11 ай бұрын

Hi there, really fantastic video and probably one of/if not the best that I've seen. Could you provide model/make details of the speaker/s and MIC's that you use please and also, do you have any recommendations in regards to the quality of the HDMI cables themselves? Many thanks :)

@keithbrennan7280 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Mate, loved the vid, I almost understood it all! I don't work for a church, but a Veteran organisation. I am looking at putting together something like this for training and regular meetings of advocates around the country. At the moment we use Teams and workplace, which are great, but on their own using webcams, don't look as good as they could be. We currently don't utilise all their functionality, like integrating Microsoft whiteboard and other screens to show MyGov for tutorials etc. I'm considering getting an ATEM and a Rhodecaster pro for a proof of concept to show my boss (hopefully they'll reimburse me!). I'll think about your course to gain some knowledge. Thanks again.

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Keith! Good luck with levelling up your meetings.

@LiveStreamEnt Жыл бұрын

Can you explain the crowd camera and how that works. How do you set it so the Zoom speakers only see the crowd

@LukInMaking 2 жыл бұрын

This is awesome! Thank you for sharing. I am curious how do you create the "slide in, rotating diagram" inserts? thanks in advance :)

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 2 жыл бұрын

No worries! I used Canva to create the diagram, I broke it down into several different versions. I then used premiere pro to animate the images by using keyframes on the position and rotation. Hope that helps! One day I'll do some editing tutorials if that helps.

@sudhirvaid7514 2 жыл бұрын

@@digitalministrymasterclass9421 the first

@neltube 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, what do you think about the other competitors to the audio board like the rodecaster pro which has deesser and compressions. Can the small board also power large speakers and not have feedback into the mics again?

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 3 жыл бұрын

If you check out my last video on building a small church studio, we recommended the Rodecaster for that set-up (use the timecodes to skip to the end). The Rodecaster is awesome, but it's more narrowed to capturing content (podcasts). It only has two balanced 1/4ich outputs for connecting a pair of stereo speakers. So if you use that for speakers, then you can't use it to feed into the ATEM and vice versa. You could get another audio interface with more outputs, but that's an additional cost and piece of gear. It may be worth it for some. The L-8 can feed XLR into large speakers (I imagine they have their own power), feedback then is more about the positioning of the microphones away or behind the speakers and having a cardioid microphone that only picks up whoever is using it and not the who room (like the one in the thumbnail).

@timdgooding 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, although do you mean TRRS cable not TRSS cable when you were talking about linking the laptop to the mixer? 8:56

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 3 жыл бұрын

Good pickup on the typo!

@justacowboy61 2 жыл бұрын

Can you explain how the L8 and a laptop (using Zoom) are specifically wired? My laptop only has a headphone jack.

@Supanizar 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, thanks for making it. Quick question, how are you allowing users online to advance power points if it is only local to you? If a remote participant shared it via zoom are you using a NDI capability to bring it into your ATEM mixer?

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 2 жыл бұрын

Great question. This set-up was designed around always having the primary speaker in the studio, secondary speakers could be on Zoom. If I was bringing in a remote speaker with a presentation and all they had was a laptop, I don't know if Zoom's new NDI features are advanced enough to have the full control I'd want. (Correct me if I'm wrong!) But I would be trying to get their full video feed, and a full presentation capture separately to feed into the Atem. This may require an additional laptop or 2 to feed into the Atem. (This is where a digital mixer like OBS would make this job easier, but the drawback is working across multiple switchers). There are simpler ways, but if you want to control everything on the in-room screens and online spaces it takes a few more elements. Worth the effort to avoid the basic screen share though!

@srbh41413 2 жыл бұрын

@@digitalministrymasterclass9421 Thank you for putting so much thought and effort into this. Regarding NDI out from Zoom, the first caveat is that it’s only available from the higher cost Zoom Rooms. That being the case, I haven’t personally used it, but the standard for NDI out is for the currently shared screen to be an independent source. As different participants share their screens, the NDI just shows whichever is live. I experience this in Teams, for example.

@NoelDelPilar 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, love that set-up, just in time for my next client. One question, in the Zoom laptop, I Sign In Zoom as a Host or Join as a Guest?

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 2 жыл бұрын

I'd be signing in as the host to have more control. But if you were joining someone else's Zoom it would still work tuning in as a guest too.

@Zonuna_Chawngthu 2 жыл бұрын

Just what i need to know, I am trying the same thing but using Atem 4 M/E studio (Main switcher) with Atem mini pro as webcam to zoom plus live to youtube, i want to be able to switch with Atem 4 ME so i`ll be inputing the zoom laptop to the main switcher.

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad it was a help!

@nepalicreator Жыл бұрын

Hi, I am a beginner. Need to learn setting up live stream using ATEM Mini extreme, rodecaster pro 2 combining stream with zoom, Facebook/KZfaq. Do you have any specific course or package? Thank you.

@gmartinezcabrera 3 жыл бұрын

This is great. I run a small school for underserved adults. Esl. High school equivalency. Digital lit etc. this is so helpful. I will sign up for the course but are you open to being hired to do some consulting for our specific use case? Via zoom?

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear g! Sounds like a great cause. If you check out the about section of this channel you can find my email address. I've also put it in the description of this video. Shoot me an email and we can have a chat! I have done some consulting for similar groups recently too.

@deanhome1 3 жыл бұрын

I just got the Extreme ISO and A stream Bridge and can't wait to use it professionally I am in a new area and I don't know anyone so I have been networking and also contacting friends and clients from my old area to let them know. It has been hard getting work lately what are some other Ideas you recommend to get more clients

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 3 жыл бұрын

Great question. Are you looking specifically for live-stream jobs? I use my ATEM Pro on freelance videography jobs so I can live edit 3-4camera interview shoots. It adds a lot of value and I haven't even touched the streaming functionality of the ATEM. Otherwise, It's PURELY a numbers game. Get your pitch right, show references for what you can do, and then tell as many people as you can. People underestimate how many contacts you need to have before you book a job. Especially for a streaming niche. It's a hard slog and easier said than done, I've definitely been there. God bless!

@deanhome1 3 жыл бұрын

@@digitalministrymasterclass9421 Thank you for the response I am trying to get 2 blackmagic 6k pros eventually but I may rent I have a sony a6300 currently but for an event, I would want the same cameras and I also need audio setup so I am not fully ready to do a gig yet but I wondered how the market is in VA. I also wanted to ask about the ISO workflow with Resolve

@kerryoreilly8029 Жыл бұрын

Great video, BUT when I plugged my laptop HDMI output (I have a MacBook Pro) to HDMI 4 so that it sees my laptop as another camera and started zoom (changing all the settings as per in the directions and changing video to BM from FaceTiime internal camera - it starts making multiples of the screen and keeps scrolling - reminds me of when you back up to time machine, and it is scrolling through all the dates. Tried moving to HDMI 3 and 2, but it does the same thing. The laptop is connected with USB C to USB C (A) on the Atem extreme ISO. What am I missing?

@aquilliuscorp 6 ай бұрын

How do we prevent video feedback loop in a hybrid environment? We have a camera that is pointed at a projector screen to show the large room but, it's causing a video feedback loop that shows up on the projector screen.

@APECEpic 2 жыл бұрын

mahalos for the wonderful graphics and video . i was wondering about audio feedback when using a different sound board not so enabled for zoom as yours seems to be . it maybe safer to take audio from the camera shooting and then cut to the zoom with the sound from that computer whilst definitely shutting off the sound from all other sources . mahalo again

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers! That's definitely a work around if you don't have an audio mixer with a mix minus. It all just depends on the scale of your audio needs.

@APECEpic 2 жыл бұрын

@@digitalministrymasterclass9421 this video and the graphics really helped to establish some basic foundations with regards to how we should set up; with of course the caveat of no zoom board . when we actually did the livestream i did get to delay the sound coming into the mix of hte cameras about 3/29.97 frames per second; about one tenth of a second with the ATEMmini extreme . this allowed for the hdmi camera delay of pic and audio . when zoom came into the stream picture i had no computer to take pic or audio from unfortunately . my friend then aimed the camera at the screen and we output the sound from the computer running the zoom directly to the sound system . it worked even with the mics on that same system going live, like a normal conversation on zoom . they had back and forths . i think this could be done sending the zooms picture and audio to the ATEM however we might have had to set up in the way stated previous or possibly have an awkward delay of 6 frames . not sure about that tho . in any case mahalos so much

@APECEpic 2 жыл бұрын

@@digitalministrymasterclass9421 oh yes one more caveat . i think with some streaming services they can stream your output from the ATEM straight to zoom without the picture needing to go to the computer as a source then to zoom networks from that computer by adding zoom as a destination somehow on hte ATEM . this could make less of a delay potentially and sync the two up ..... maybe

@gmartinezcabrera 3 жыл бұрын

I will take your class but we have some specific use cases since we train teachers to work in underserved communities.

@baku153 Ай бұрын

How do you work with latency?

@FalschParker 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Alex, thx for the awesome video. I really can not say how often i wtached it ofter last few months. But I just wanted to asure: I have 3 outputs i can control complety independant? So i can say the Atem that i now just want to switch the sources of the USb Output and so on, right? Because in many videos i saw the people showing the "outputs" menu button of the atem and there just appeared 2 soruces, the 2 HDMI's Thanks i advance. Cheers!

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Flasch. I'm glad the video was helpful to you. The USB-C can only output the 'program'. It can't independantly 'preview' seperate sources like the HDMI output can. In otherwords, it can only see the final show. This can be an issue in some edge cases. I mention it in the limitations section of using it to feed the ZOOM chat, you can create a video feedback loop if you cut to them on full screen. You can't just keep one camera angle for them the whole time as they are seeing the final output, cuts and all. If you want that ability, you could instead feed a computer with one of the HDMI outputs and use a cheap USB HDMI capture card to plug it into the computer. Or use a HDMI splitter. Let me know if that answers your question :)

@fed02 2 жыл бұрын

thanks and awesome work. Did you face any audio sync issues?

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 2 жыл бұрын

Nope! HDMI cords have a 5ms delay compared to straight audio inputs. To fix this you can delay the audio inputs on the ATEM. With this set up we would have delayed the audio going from the LiveTrak L8 going into the ATEM

@fed02 2 жыл бұрын

@@digitalministrymasterclass9421 Thankyou. Very tempted to purchase the LiveTrak L8.

@breaks.berlin 2 жыл бұрын

Nice Video! I am currently building the same setup using VDO Ninja for the remote speakers. Do you have experience in routing multiple speakers from one Session to separate Video Outputs of a computer to have them on separate channels of the ATEM mini?

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 2 жыл бұрын

If VDO Ninja can output multiple video feeds, then it would be possible... but I have a feeling it can't. Usually, I switch the remote speaker on the PC and not on the ATEM. If you need to switch them on the ATEM then usually people set up multiple cheap laptops for each speaker so each one has a Video output. There may be a software solution but I haven't come across it. Let me know if you find a solution!

@Backyardvideo 2 жыл бұрын

@@digitalministrymasterclass9421 In general VDO Ninja is capable of splitting up every speaker to a separate link, even from bigger Group Chats. The idea to use multiple laptops is of course possible but i would like to combine that, so I can at least have 4 Speakers from one OBS Computer and put them out via separate SDI Ports from a Decklink Card. That way I could easy control every signal in Terms of color, contrast etc in OBS and the do the super source building on the ATEM Extreme. Buuuuut it seems the prefered Plugin (OBS Decklink Output Filter) as of now, is just working properly on PC and I am on Mac (Please everybody no comments on PC vs Mac). So I was wondering if you ever built something similar with other software/hardware?

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 2 жыл бұрын

@@Backyardvideo I know that feeling! The perfect Niche solution but it's only on mac or pc. Hmmm... I'm theorizing here... but you could use Skype. Create an NDI for each speaker, then use Newtek NDI Video monitor to create a window for each speaker (there is a trick to open multiple windows however, there are tutorials online), route those to a separate SDI output each. There are pros and cons to that solution, but hopefully, it might help!

@jen3800 2 жыл бұрын

what is a TRSS ?

@fed02 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, i got a sharp frequency feedback when i use the Master out or any of the 3 mix minus headphones out to the Atem Mini. Did you have this problem? or what cable did you use to send the audio mix to the Atem Mini Pro?

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that! What are you using for your audio mixer? Where is the feedback happening? If it's a feedback issue, I'd suggest drawing a diagram of your system to try and spot what is causing the feedback loop. Draw every input/output audio source on both the Atem and your audio mixer. It could be in the mix-minus routing, could be in the speaker/microphone placement. It shouldn't be a cable issue. It's a TRRS cable. Make sure the Atem audio inputs are set to Line In rather than Mic In if you are sending line-level audio from your mixer.

@RudyCaseres Жыл бұрын

Where did you get your motion background?

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 Жыл бұрын

The grain effect is a stock asset on loop. I created the diagram in Canva, exported it as transparent, then animated it in Premiere Pro over the top of the grain video. Let me know if you have any specific questions

@gmartinezcabrera 3 жыл бұрын

Not sure if the other comment went through. Are you open to some paid consulting via zoom for my small school for disadvantaged adults?

@noornabizarief8452 2 жыл бұрын

Hey ! Nice video, but how can the people who are in different countries and joined in zoom, can hear the good quality sound from a meeting ?

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 2 жыл бұрын

As long as the other country has good internet, the sound quality should be the same. There may be a slightly longer delay however. If you capture good sound, everyone on Zoom should hear good sound. Hope that helps!

@cellodan6353 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video :) I am practicing with a similar set up. One issue I am having is that when the presenters laptop sends a video the quality is very poor for the zoomers. Slides and PowerPoint with no sound are just fine. When a video is needed to be shared I am sharing from within zoom and the zoom participants get a perfect video. Any tips on how to improve the presenters laptop video quality that the zoomers end up experiencing on their end ?

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 2 жыл бұрын

Hi @CelloDan, it could be a few things. You can turn on HD quality sharing within zoom for video. Within Share Screen advanced you can change make sure the frame rate limit is unchecked. You can turn hardware acceleration on. It could be a limitation of the presenter's laptop. When a presenter goes to share a video there is also an 'optimize for video clip' option. Hope that helps!

@cellodan6353 2 жыл бұрын

Going live next week and practicing today with a couple of different configurations. I think I prefer the second on which starts at the 3:50 mark. Any comments or suggestions appreciated :) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pM5zptpi2dnYnWQ.html

@BigBodyBobby Жыл бұрын

Minute 14 - The other way to avoid them seeing a visual loop wouldn't it make sense to do a supersource? Do a zoom drone computer and your in room video. Idk if I missed that in your video but with the extreme that would be a good workaround.

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 Жыл бұрын

Good idea. Super source is so powerful. Another great reason to go for the ATEM Extreme

@intraportas8396 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, I like this setup and want to test this next time, using two Mini's since I dont have the Extreme. But I can't see how the sound from the laptop running the presentation (it could be a video with sound), will get through to Zoom since all sounds is taken from the mixer. Any Idea how to achieve that?

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 2 жыл бұрын

Good question. You'd want to plug the Presentation Laptop's audio output into the mixer. So the mixer is still controlling all the audio. That way you can pass laptop Audio to Zoom and the in-room amplification. I tried to think of a way to do it via the Laptop passing Audio to the ATEM via HDMI, but to avoid feedback that's more trouble than it's worth. The laptop should easily be able to route video via one cord, and sound through another. You may need a small audio interface, or just an adapter to change the 3.5mm audio jack to XLR or 6.35mm jack

@intraportas8396 2 жыл бұрын

@@digitalministrymasterclass9421 Thank you for the answer! Yes, that's probably the safe way around this. I did however make a test using the Sound Control Panel in Windows 10. In the "Recording" tab and "Properties" there is a "Listen" tab. I checked the checkbox called "Listen to this device" after selecting the USB from the Atem. This actually routed the sound from the Atem to the headphone output. I can't say this is a good solution yet, so I will have to test this more later on.

@petecrouch8277 2 жыл бұрын

Hi this video has been a massive help. I am setting up a hybrid event and using very similar kit. One question I have though is why are you not using the usb connection between the zoom l8 and the Zoom laptop? Is it because you only get mix minus on the trrs connection? Reason I ask is I am using a rodecaster pro for my connection to the zoom laptop but was planning on using the usb and not the trrs which it does have? Many thanks in advance Pete

@digitalministrymasterclass9421 2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it! That's a good question. Some USB audio interfaces aren't two way or mix-minused. I'd have to do some testing. Were you able to do it through the rodecaster?

@metubemehappy 2 жыл бұрын

@@digitalministrymasterclass9421 I maked a similar solution, using USB successfully with my Zoom Podtrak P4 (also has a TRRS-port).

@tamarawebb6801 Жыл бұрын

Do you have to do any special settings on the L8 to make that two-way mix-minus connection?

@TwithGazz 2 жыл бұрын

It's the "new normal" sigh.

@TheRealHolyGhost 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent content. A few suggestions. Ditch the background music. It's annoying and got in my way of understanding what you were saying. Several times I had to stop and go back to catch up. Ditch the "glitchy" visual effects and transitions. Like the background music they were intrusive and distracting from your excellent content. Ditch the cheesy comments. They get in the way of your excellent content. Your experience and content are your strongest assets here. Put that to the front and leave all the other stuff out.