How to set a fence post in concrete

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Knowing how to install a fence post is pivotal to a strong fence. Fence post installation is not complicated. But it does require some heavy lifting. In this video we installed a treated wood fence post. This DIY fence post installation saves an enormous amount of money compared to hiring the job out.
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First we had to dig the fence post holes. To do that we used a one-man post hole auger.
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We were setting fence posts in concrete. This is a typical way to install a fence but not the only way. The fence post cement we used was Quikrete post cement. It sets up in 20-40 minutes and is strong enough for fence installation after curing for 4 hours.
To begin, we strung a line from one corner fence post or stake to another corner fence post or stake. That provided a straight measuring line with which to align all the middle fence posts. Our fence post spacing was typically 8 feet from post to post. The fence post hole depth was 30 inches of more with 4-6 inches of gravel at the bottom of the holes.
How much concrete per fence post varied from hole to hole. It averaged 1-2 50 pound bags.
To measure how much concrete for a post hole, you need use the width and the depth of the hole less the volume of the actual post. Use the formula for the volume of a cylinder.
That is about it! You should have a good idea how to put in a fence post. So go do it!
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@anneiconex1473 3 жыл бұрын

I spent 15 minutes on the phone with a guy from Home Depot trying to figure out how to put the cement in at the bottom of my fence post, and he had no idea. THX FOR THE ANSWER!! I’m a girl putting in a fence by myself.👱🏻‍♀️

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Anne, Glad you found us - that’s why we post all our videos -300+ - to help people learn with us or from us! Hope your project goes great! Good for you for making the effort - projects can be tough, but once complete, everyday you get to appreciate the work you put in! Thx fir watching!

@bignorwegian Жыл бұрын

If you mean having concrete under the post, you don't want that; the concrete will create a cup that holds water, exposing the bottom of the post to rot. You want gravel under the post, like he did in the video, then only have concrete on the sides/around the post. I'm sure your project is long finished; just adding this for anyone else wondering.

@bryceyantzi2407 9 ай бұрын

You should definitely pre mix concrete in a pale or wheelbarrow before putting it in your hole. Adding water after won’t mix your concrete right….

@garydayton3556 Жыл бұрын

This is the only KZfaq video I found that taught me what I needed to know to set a post straight. I looked at 10 of those before I found this one. Thank you so much for doing a excellent KZfaq video

@Housebarons Жыл бұрын

Hey Gary, Thx for taking the time to let us know - very kind! And thx for watching!

@DevonTT Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this! Very clear and instructional.

@richduperbash2966 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this demo and tips 👍. Very helpful.

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Rich, Thx for letting us know & thx for watching.

@browill9 3 жыл бұрын

Thanx for sharing. Just the information I needed.

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey browill9, Glad it helped. Thx for watching!

@rcas350pilot8 2 жыл бұрын

The comments here were extremely helpful. Saved this to watch later so I can come back and refer to things.

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey RC, Thx for watching!

@machiavellian18 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks very helpful.

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Machiavellian, Glad to hear it. Thx for watching !

@m.s.7595 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@imaginationcreated 2 жыл бұрын

Great Video!! Thank you for sharing.

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@artparga3261 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@williamsinclair6326 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tips it really was helpful

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey William, Thx for watching!

@nigelclark7360 3 жыл бұрын

Very good, and help full.

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Nigel, Thx for watching!

@dolphin19721000 Жыл бұрын

Great instructional video!

@Housebarons Жыл бұрын

Thx!!

@godisallaroundus Жыл бұрын

So helpful Thanks

@Housebarons Жыл бұрын

Hey Godisallaroundus, Thx for watching!

@christophermee6462 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you kindly

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Christopher, thx for watching!

@kennethsalter9998 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Kenneth, Thx for watching!

@dalehammond1749 Жыл бұрын

We're fencing our garden and started with 4x4 treated posts set in Quikrete "Fast Setting Concrete." We found our posts weak after nearly 3 days of curing. We dug one post up and the junks of Quikrete could easily be broken with our fingers. We redid the work with posts simply set 3 to 4 foot deep with no Quikrete and now the posts are rock solid strong.

@maribabette2205 11 ай бұрын

Did you do it dry like the video or did you pour it in wet?

@robertsanders9127 3 жыл бұрын

Good job

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Robert, Thanks for watching!

@ivorygilyard2243 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video, it was very helpful. Thank you for explaining.

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Ivory, Glad you liked it! Thx for watching!

@McmM-ck1op 2 жыл бұрын

Good job I that I'm going to do the same thing you did thanks for the info...👍

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Mcm…, Have fun. Thx for watching!

@jonthemachine7364 10 ай бұрын

Good video mate.

@Housebarons 10 ай бұрын

Hey Ion…, Thanks 👍 for watching - Cheers!

@Humble_Lion337 3 жыл бұрын

This help!!

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey 25MAMOU, Great! Thx for watching!

@Humble_Lion337 3 жыл бұрын

@@Housebarons i need some advice....

@mrockefeller10mr Жыл бұрын

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@Housebarons Жыл бұрын

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@michaeljoiner4305 Ай бұрын

Add wood stakes to secure level

@5stardave 9 ай бұрын

Wider hole (3 times post width) and tamp the dry concrete after each bag. For best results layer with 1/2 bag then tamp, add 1/2 water and repeat til 3 to 6 inches from ground level.

@aaroncarr-mackay2457 9 ай бұрын

For water just use a pressure washer. I did that yesterday. Worked great.

@Housebarons 9 ай бұрын

Great tip! Thx for watching!

@johnbower Жыл бұрын

When I put posts in I like them to vertical no good having them level, I fit diagonal supports to hold the posts while adding the mix.

@Housebarons Жыл бұрын

Hey John, Thx for the input and for watching!

@Crooked_Clown 8 ай бұрын

Myself, I prefer bracing the post, so I don't have to be checking and adjusting every time I pour concrete or dirt down the hole. It only take a few minutes and ensure that the post stay plum while the concrete cures.

@davidb9166 3 жыл бұрын

Wow. You had a lot of posts to put in.

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey David, Yeah. Took all day. Something like 35 or 38 Thx for watching.

@pipi7731 Жыл бұрын

Well my fence fell down in the last storm so, I will be digging a few post holes and setting a few of these. I am going to put an asphalt emulsion ($15 a gallon) on the end of the post that goes into the ground. I will add about 6 inches of large gravel to the bottom then the post. I am thinking about staining or putting a water seal on the part from the emulsion upward. Another idea was to add a cap to the top of the post. When it rains this cap would help keep rain from seeping in the top. Comments welcome. I need all the help that I can get.

@retireearly7223 Жыл бұрын

All great ideas. Use pressure-treated lumber, of course.

@1rezlife 2 жыл бұрын

Do.. you cut them to length after?

@nonymousjones7204 3 жыл бұрын

What kind of boots do you have

@westvalley411 3 жыл бұрын

Nice work! Practical approach. Would suggest one gallon water bucket if that is true need. I'll do mine tomorrow. I think the contractors just use a garden hose and wing it! Of course it's just a fence not the Sistine Chapel.

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Westvalley, You are absolutely right. A hose would work if you are familiar enough with the consistency of the concrete you are trying to achieve. Great points. Thx for watching!

@redfrog5515 Жыл бұрын

You won’t feel that way when it falls over in a strong wind. Do it right and always mix your concrete and shovel it in wet.

@westvalley411 Жыл бұрын

Yea, I've done it both ways. Seems not to matter much, but I do put a few cups to a quart of water in before pouring in cement to make sure the bottom is not dry. At the end of the day, moisture will get all the cement mix wet and harden it. Even if you wait til it rains....

@aaroncarr-mackay2457 9 ай бұрын

I used a pressure washer yesterday. I have made a lot of fences and it blew my mind. It penetrates to the bottom and mixes the concrete in quick order. First time for everything.

@vincentfrancia8392 3 жыл бұрын

I'm not a fence expert..but may be a bag of concrete and add water.

@chrisdascalos7701 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Baron. Seems better to mix with water in a basin first and shovel in the concrete. My fence was whipped together by a contractor for KB homes and some of the posts that failed just had powder inside. It wasn't mixed together. How did your fence hold up?

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Chris, The fence is straight as a arrow but it has not been that long. There were instructions on the bag that said if your hole was over (30?) inches deep, then pour half the hole in and add water, then the 2nd half of the hole and add water again. It’s also possible that the previous guy did not use the special “ just add water “ concrete. What we used was a specific blend meant just for this type application. Lastly, could be you live in a very dry area, w/o sufficient ground moisture. If you buy the right bag mix, you should be fine. It’s your choice though. Thx for watching!

@williamwallace1745 3 жыл бұрын

That's what I did, mixed it thick and shoveled in and tamped it down and put a little dry crete under the post in hole with a in or 2 of stone and little dry on top.. 1st post (for a kiwi trellis) only made it 18'' deep but it will be supported on top.. Shame I couldn't get any black locust posts, that wood lasts forever even with no crete, had to settle for ground contact pressure treated I guess pine.

@ShyRage1 2 жыл бұрын

Its fine the way he did it but grab a stick or pole and poke around would have been ideal

@fredchester921 Жыл бұрын

This is the lazy way to do a post with concrete (by yourself). It also will not insure that the concrete sets properly, as some areas will remain powder. It doesn't take really that much more time to do it properly: And you will need TWO PEOPLE to do it right. One person holding the post with the level to maintain its level (get the plastic 'mail box post' levels from Home Depot, that you can attach with a rubber band). Then with that person holding the post, the other should bring up the wheel barrow, added in the dry concrete mix, then from a garden hose, add in water slowly as you use the shovel to mix around the concrete slurry until it's the proper consistency (and fully mixed). It will take a bunch of scraping and moving around, and adding water. Don't add too much water, btw. You will notice as you mix the concrete with the shovel, it will break up some of the powdery areas. When you are ready, used the shovel to shovel in the concrete and use a long 2x2 or 2x4 wooden stick, about 4-5 foot in length, to tamp down the concrete as you're shoveling it in. Tamp it down on all four sides. Check the level to make sure it's on the mark. Then, when it's set, you can pretty much just continue adding in the concrete to the top. At the top, angle the sides of the concrete so that it angles away and down, like a hill, and smooth it out with a more wetter slurry of concrete. This is done so when it rains, the water will pour away from the wooden post. (Some folks also get two 5 foot 1x2s and screw in one end to the post and the other onto the grass, putting a stake in at the end, from two 45 degrees, to hold the post safely while it cures in a day. Then remove. Use screws [and a power tool] for this instead of nails. The screws will not interfere with the set post. If you hammer in the nails, it will void the work you just did).

@joshuasmith1215 3 жыл бұрын

I would think the posts could shift once you start adding the water. Do you have to fine tune them after adding the water to the mix?

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Joshua, Because the holes are 30 inches deep, there is so much material around the posts that they are pretty solid. You can tap on the poles to move them incrementally before adding water - but I think you’d be surprised how solid they are locked in by mix alone. It never hurts to double check the plumb of the posts after adding water, but I never saw any movement. Thx for the comment and for watching!

@aaronzimmermann7618 3 жыл бұрын

Your checking it for plumb, not level. Plumb is vertical, level is horizontal 😜😉 i think I will fast set crete my posts, hope it holds up. Never used fast setting in post holes

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Aaron. Thanks for the clarification. I misspoke. I would not worry about the fast-crete. Should work fine. Thx for watching.

@gmaddox2400 3 жыл бұрын

You can see your posts are all different heights. You need either a top string or marks on the base of the posts for depth into the ground.But thanks for posting the video.

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey G I opted to not spend time trying to precisely measure the holes as I went. It was faster to trim the tops after the boards were installed. Then everything looked perfect. Thx for watching!

@scurling2993 Жыл бұрын

Great video, hey, how long did it take you to place all those posts?

@Housebarons Жыл бұрын

Hey scuttling…, 38 posts holes were dug in one day and it probably took a day or maybe a little more to set them. The whole fence took a week. Thx for watching!

@edzanjero353 2 жыл бұрын

If I'm replacing posts, should I use the same holes? I see you set your posts to various heights...are they supposed to be the same?

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Ed, I thought it would be easier to not worry about height while installing as they would all be too tall and would eventually need to be trimmed later. You can do it either way - just preference. Thx for watching!

@johnjohnson1997 Жыл бұрын

Is it okay to use an agitator or a tamp to speed the watering process and to ensure good water distribution ?

@Housebarons Жыл бұрын

Hey John, It wasn’t needed for the concrete type that we bought. I guess you could…??? Thx for watching!

@paleashail7265 3 жыл бұрын

You could nail the post level with steaks so you don't have to continuously check the level while pouring the cement

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Pale, Thanks for the tip and for watching!

@jorgerios1420 Жыл бұрын

Should I use Rib-Eye? Or New York Strip?

@bawwf011 2 жыл бұрын

I used a tube form (8" diameter) and about 2' depth. However when I pour the water, it didnt get absorbed. I didnt pour too much water either. Im just concerned that if it doesnt percolate down, then the bottom concrete will not solidfy

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Mirza, 1st - did you buy the right concrete - the ‘ just add water kind ‘ because there are different types. 2nd - I know that type of concrete is also designed to pull water from the soil. So I’m not sure how the tube would effect that. Might be worth a call to the concrete maker customer service if possible. Thx for watching!

@ShyRage1 2 жыл бұрын

in the video, everything is done correctly. It helps if you have a rod of some sort and poke down and around the post. This will ensure that it reaches the very bottom.

@bawwf011 2 жыл бұрын

@@ShyRage1 I did all that but it just failed to reach the bottom of the tube.

@ShyRage1 2 жыл бұрын

@@bawwf011 that's weird. I wonder if more water was needed

@mikeperetti7487 3 жыл бұрын

What diameter hole did you drill? Another video on the Quikrete says it should be 3x the post size, so a 4x4 would be a 12” diameter. Yours look smaller. I’m asking because if I can get away with a smaller hole than I will as long as it works.

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Mike, I used an 8 inch auger. I first planned to use a 10 inch but the rental place only had 8 & 12. My perspective : 1) I like to follow the source of information. quikrete is in the business of selling quikrete. 12 inches is about 3x the concrete as 8 inches ( volume of a circle less the post ). I could not make sense of why that amount of concrete would reasonably be needed. Telephone poles are only stuck in a deep hole - no concrete at all. 2) we have dense clay soil so I didn’t imagine much movement once in the ground. 3) I did a lot of research and found all kinds of ways to sink posts as well as how much concrete to use. 8 inches seemed both reasonable and a middle choice. 4) I had to dig the holes on my own. The one-man auger with an 8 inch auger was SERIOUS WORK. I can’t imagine what the 12 inch would have been for a lone digger!! 5) I occasionally manually widened a hole in order to get all the posts to line up perfectly. Operator error I guess - w/ that auger!😃 So there you go. Hope that helps! Enjoy the journey! Thx for watching!

@artadams1 3 жыл бұрын

@@Housebarons All states have code requirements for fences, there is a national code for them as well. Most of the information can be found in your zoning code which is local to each area. The size of the hole is determined by the wind load rating of your local zoning. Both depth and width are requirements of local zoning code.

@williamwallace1745 3 жыл бұрын

@TheLawDemon same for me, we don't even get building permits doing decks and additions where I'm at.. If you screw up well its your problem type of thinking.

@mostardentlyasmr4777 2 жыл бұрын

I’m installing a fence this coming week. 4x4 posts. I assumed 12 hole. Is 12 inches over kill?

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Most…, Actually I think that is what to concrete bag recommends. But you will use a LOT more concrete ( do that math - volume of the hole less the volume of the post ). We were going to do a 10 inch hole, but the rental company only had an 8 inch drill. So far so good - no complaints & fence looks great. Your call. Have fun - it’s a great workout😃 Thx for watching!

@danielmunoz128 Жыл бұрын

so are you suppose to set the corner posts first then string line and follow the line to do the posts in the middle? does my question make sense?

@Housebarons Жыл бұрын

Hey Daniel, Yes. That sounds correct. Corner posts or corner stakes will provide the same method for a straight line. Thx for watching!

@jayv9286 Жыл бұрын

Your neighbor just pulled in, you should get him to help you.

@ricktorreano266 Жыл бұрын

You mentioned to keep concrete around the posts BELOW the ground level - then build up with 'dirt' and create a 'slope' away from the posts to prevent water from going down into the post area. But I didn't see your actual finished area you described. Based on your how-to explanation, once rain hits, the 'dirt' mound around the posts would seem to just level out around the post and water would just soak down to the level of concrete and around the exposed 3-4" of post. Why not put concrete slightly ABOVE the ground level - then trowel out to create the proper descending grade so rain runs AWAY from the posts. OR - did I misunderstand how you finish the top area of the post hole? Thanks in advance for a reply.

@Housebarons Жыл бұрын

Hey Rick , Should have said ( if I didn’t ), concrete ABOVE ground level sloping down. Hope that helps. Thx for watching!

@terryfrederickson2774 Жыл бұрын

cement should be about 3 in below ground level so you can cover with dirt after your done so it don't look like crap

@Housebarons Жыл бұрын

Hey Terry, Thx again!

@jxtdenco6984 3 жыл бұрын

My fence installer put my posts in with concrete but when it dried, there are now a motes around the posts that collect water. I want to mound up more concrete so the water will shed away from the posts but I don't know how to get the new concrete (or cement if I can use hydraulic cement) to stick to the old concrete. Any ideas on how to do this would be appreciated. Thanks for all the great videos!

@MrThisIsMeToo 2 жыл бұрын

Little late,. but use a mortar mix instead of concrete. Type N would be better but Type S would be fine as most of the big box stores carry Type S. Make sure the existing concrete is clean and damp. Mortar is made to be sticky and exactly what you need here.

@vegetablesempai7603 2 жыл бұрын

They told me that I need to put bituthene on the posts before I install them with cement is this true because a lot of people that just put the cement without waterproofing the posts

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Vegetable…, If the posts are ore-treated, I doubt that’s needed. Green or brown treat posts are meant for ground contact. Thx for watching!

@xxomegaman007 Жыл бұрын

If I may exercise my Obsessive Compulsive Disorder here re posts being "Level": "Level" refers to something that is perfectly flat or horizontal. A perfectly upright post is "Plumb"

@Housebarons Жыл бұрын

Hey xx…., You are correct. Thx for watching!

@farealwitit7947 2 жыл бұрын

b best if u poured the concrete above grade and sloped away frm post to keep water away

@LSD123. 2 жыл бұрын

If you listened that's exactly what he said he was going to do....

@johnal4560 2 жыл бұрын

is that all the water you pure that was not much ? thx

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey John, Just followed direction on the bag. It also draws moisture from ground. Thx for watching!

@lenandov 3 жыл бұрын

Use some thin rod and poke down into the cement powder. Releases air pockets. Ensures water soaks into all the concrete mix. You could also set additional stones at the bottom of the post (not under) to prevent shifting.

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey lenandov, Thanks for the tips and for watching!

@ShyRage1 2 жыл бұрын

This is great advice. When installing wood posts, what's the best way to prevent the concrete around the base from rising? I heard things like a bell-shaped bottom and large deck screws screwed into the ground while in the hole. Are these ideal methods? I would love to hear everyone's input and suggestions. Many thanks

@fadedglory1045 Жыл бұрын

@@ShyRage1 have you heard of pea gravel at the bottom and just filling with dirt and tamping ?

@mindya1799 3 жыл бұрын

What gravel did you use?

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey mind...? It was 3/4-2 inch gravel. Thx for watching!

@ShyRage1 2 жыл бұрын

the same brand of concete mixed that was used in the video also says gravel for the application. Jus giving you a heads up

@Humble_Lion337 3 жыл бұрын

Im trying to build a 12×12 (7 post) with a roof top for my horse.. i been habing hell trying to learn how to get my posts straight!! ... any more advice anyone?

@chasegarner4450 3 жыл бұрын

Brace them off with stakes in ground that hold them level

@yourMyfancy27 Жыл бұрын

I've been watching a few videos for mixing fast-setting concrete. I find it interesting how almost all the videos mention the importance of wearing a mask when working around concrete dust, but none of the people in the videos are wearing mask. Lead by example please. Other than that, great advice in the video!

@Housebarons Жыл бұрын

Hey Dexter, 😳 Oops! Good call. Thx for watching!

@darrellhamner4608 Жыл бұрын

So, did you use 2 50 lb bags per post?

@Housebarons Жыл бұрын

Hey Darrell, If I remember right it was closer to 1.5. It all depends on how deep and how wide the hole is. Do the math and you might be shocked to see how much extra volume is created by a hole that is an extra 2 inches wider. So choose the auger size wisely. Concrete manufacturer says something like 3x the post size to get the diameter of the hole. Obviously we did not do that .. or I’d still be digging! Have fun! Thx for watching.

@adelaramirez1591 Жыл бұрын

how much do i dig for a 4 ft post

@Housebarons Жыл бұрын

Hey Adela, It depends on where you live. You need to get down below the frost line - below where the ground can freeze. That will stop the ground from forcing the post up over time. Just guessing but Texas might be 24 inches and Michigan might be 36 inches . Best to call local building department… they can give you a number. Thx for watching!

@handyandy8671 3 жыл бұрын

how do you set the height of all the posts?

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Handy, I cut the tops of the posts off after hanging the horizontal boards. I just made sure I had at least 5 feet above ground. With 30 inch holes and 8 ft posts, that left me more than 5 ft for each post. Then if a hole is a little deeper than 30 inches, it’s no worries. Thx for watching!

@handyandy8671 3 жыл бұрын

@@Housebarons thanks!

@anthonychase4945 2 жыл бұрын

If the directions specify to pour in the bag and then add water why would that way not work ? Why would the concrete be dry at the bottom ? Doesnt the manufacturer know how this mix works ?

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Anthony, It does work. I would guess the manufacturer has figured this all out. Our fence is standing strong and unmoved. Thx for watching!

@heyitsbroski 2 жыл бұрын

I want your covers for your shoes. What are they called?

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Michael, Those are concrete boots. Try harbor freight. Thx for watching.

@markd4768 2 жыл бұрын

How deep did you dig?

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Mark, 30-32 inches - below our frost-line! Thx for watching.

@danlaur7973 2 жыл бұрын

What's with the boots?

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Dan, Those are boots for pouring concrete slabs. It was pretty muddy in that yard so I used those - just hose off and you are good! Thx for watching!

@SuperLittleTyke 3 жыл бұрын

Why not add a couple of temporary struts to hold the post upright? I banged a couple of "anchors" into the ground using timber offcuts, then screwed or clamp a strut between the anchor and the main post. Do this again through 90 degrees, then adjust the struts so that the main post in truly vertical. Then you can pour in all the Postcrete in one go.

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Super, Thanks for the tip.... And thx for watching.

@the_original_skytiger 3 жыл бұрын

@@Housebarons lol

@ShyRage1 2 жыл бұрын

If one would do this, do you have to drill into the post?

@SuperLittleTyke 2 жыл бұрын

@@ShyRage1 I didn't. I fixed the struts with F-clamps. The struts are only needed until the Postcrete sets, about 20 minutes. I used a spirit level to ensure the post was properly positioned.

@tedjordan7567 Жыл бұрын

in my experience (built about 1000 feet of 4 board fence recently) using struts or bracing on posts of this size is not necessary. As Chris mentions in a post above, by the time you pour in dry mix the post is not going to move very much unless it gets hit real hard. You still have enough wiggle room to make small adjustments to level, but once you add water, in a few minutes the post isnt going to move from then on. My process is (1) dig 33-36" hole with 1-man gas auger (2) rake away excess dirt (3) tamp down bottom of hole with the post (4) add small layer of gravel if desired (5) stand post in the hole and get it positioned where it is perpendicular to the ground as it touches the string; (6) hold the post still in that spot and pour in 1 bag of the red concrete mix (shown in video, bought from Lowe's); (7) wiggle the post a little bit so that concrete settles around it 360 degrees; (8) check level and adjust accordingly. at this point you can let go of the post and the dry mix will pretty much hold it in place. (9) pour in some water and jab with a thin stick or rebar to mix in the hole and release air pockets, you have just a couple minutes from this point until the concrete sets; (10) wiggle the post a little and push back to level. After this first bag, the post is pretty much not going to move. (11) Add another bag of concrete and water, jab with stick, let dry. next hole. if i slice open the side of the concrete mix bag and lay it beside the hole, I can do all of the above myself. I hold the post in place with one hand and dump the concrete bag in the hole with the other. Probably 15 minutes altogether including digging the hole

@gregtaylor8327 3 жыл бұрын

The bottom of your post is surrouded by air. Pulling it sideways to move the bottom. Okay with normal REAL concrete not with this dry guff. Also you never prodded the mix at all. Its wet about 1 foot down if your lucky. Never touch the stringline with the post. Unless you want a curve in your fence. Keep the posts a smidgen away from the string line.

@joel4210 2 жыл бұрын

There’s a video here on KZfaq about pouring the Quikrete dry into the hole, then adding water. After it was dried up, they pulled the post from the ground and showed the results. The water actually makes it’s way all the way down.

@ShyRage1 2 жыл бұрын

When installing wood posts, what's the best way to prevent the concrete around the base from rising? I heard things like a bell-shaped bottom and large deck screws screwed into the ground while in the hole. Are these ideal methods? I would love to hear everyone's input and suggestions. Many thanks

@siilkyjohnson5779 2 жыл бұрын

@@ShyRage1 tp avoid the concrete from rising you dig below frost line where I'm at that's around 3 feet. To prevent water pooling and rotting the base of the post a strip of somo tube at the rope with a runoff into the grass you'll be good my guy. These guys always just pour the big and leave the top however it is. Water ends up sitting there over the year the whole fence topples over. I'm a cibcrete worker now but have many years exp building decks and fences. 90% of fence I used to have to re plant posts for or redo the complete fence was done incorrectly. Those fences could have last 20 years but instead tipped over in 10c

@ShyRage1 2 жыл бұрын

@@siilkyjohnson5779 how high should the somo tube be from ground level?

@allenthomas914 3 жыл бұрын

Do I add water after I put the concrete in?

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Allen, The directions in our bag said to add water after adding concrete unless you hole was more than 30 inches deep. Then you would fill half the hole, add water, then fill second half of the hole and add more water. Note: this is a special kind of concrete mix that you can add to the hole dry and add water after. Most types of concrete have to be mixed w/ water first. Be sure to buy the right kind. The back of the bag should explain the process. Thx for watching

@allenthomas914 3 жыл бұрын

@@Housebarons do I need 1 whole bag per post I'm making 55 post

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Allen, Depends on the diameter of your hole. I think we used an 8” bore and we used 1-1.5 bags per hole 30-32 inches deep. Thx sgain

@waltercastro2015 2 жыл бұрын

@@Housebarons i wasn't wrong 30-32 inch deep. I have auger my dad was saying deep more. I am like naaaah man i am not in the shore or oil search. Yup it takes about 1-1/2 bag but did use a 6 inch bore. Going to buy the 8 inch it gives more play compare the 6in tight space. Will go more concrete chances are 2-1/4 to 2-1/2 per post. Good thing using an auger leaves the concrete cylinder in the way will be easy to slide it up in the future repairs. Compare old style will anchor so much in the soil to the point have to dig all around.

@mikepierson7447 Жыл бұрын

None of use safety equipment unless Osha is watching.

@Housebarons Жыл бұрын

Hey Mike, TRUE. Thx for watching!

@terryfrederickson2774 Жыл бұрын

add powder to water not water to powder and stir with a stick wile mixing , that is how block wall guys do it

@Housebarons Жыл бұрын

Hey Terry, Thx for the input and thx for watching!

@davids8449 3 жыл бұрын

Postcreat is alright so long as you pretend it is dry and put soil on top

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey David, Thx for watching!

@AKhinch 3 жыл бұрын

I never doing half way by water.. I just pour 2 bags of concrete and then add 2 gallons of water...

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Alex, Thx for watching.

@paulharvey4159 2 жыл бұрын

Ive learned the hard way over the years.. Good advice here but mind if I ad a comment, you want the post to last as long as possible, so when I install any wooden post..I choose my height, and dig down just 2 more inches, pull the post back out, put in 2 inches of mix, then put the post back in so now it's actually sitting on the mix and not on bare soil otherwise it'll start decaying straight away..then bring the mix to the top, just over the level of the ground surface and with a trowel slope the mix away from the post, so the whole post is incased from sitting in moisture and it will last much much longer..if that makes sense.

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Paul, Great comment! Thx for sharing and Thx for watching!

@assortedmountainlife 2 жыл бұрын

The water has no place to escape when you have concrete on all sides. the wood shrinks over time and the capillary action of the wood and water will draw water down into that concrete encasement rotting it from the bottom up.

@Bacrenfencing Жыл бұрын

Wood can't decay at the bottom of the hole as there is no Oxygen down there.........a common misconception. You see all these youtubers adding gravel to the bottom of the hole etc etc, not realisong that it does nothing. Posts always rot at ground level not at the base.

@farealwitit7947 2 жыл бұрын

better off using a larger level n try not 2 throw ur level around like that. it will eventually no longer b accurate

@benc1927 3 жыл бұрын

First things first. Explain those boots.

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Ben, Those are concrete boots. Great for wading in concrete - they are just a rubber shell - hose off and go. I was wearing them because the yard pretty muddy - deep mud in places. Thx for watching.

@davidabineri908 2 жыл бұрын

not sure why your VERTICAL posts should be LEVEL?

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey David, Goood point! Missed that in the edit - Thx for watching

@farealwitit7947 2 жыл бұрын

b easier if u used stakes and 2x to nail to the post to keep it plumb

@ShyRage1 2 жыл бұрын

WHat kind of stakes are ideal?

@farealwitit7947 2 жыл бұрын

@@ShyRage1 u can get sum 1x steax at home depot or u can make em urself by cutting a v at the end of a 1x3/4.

@joseruiz-dg6xz 2 жыл бұрын

Always Pre-mix cement, then pour the in. Use a bucket to Pre-mix. Post was settle much better.

@richardhaley3347 Жыл бұрын

Concrete is not the best way to set a wooden post. Anytime you set a post you need to seal the wood to protect it from rot up to the mark of how deep it's buried. I use Redgard (2 coats) and be sure to do the bottom of the post. You can also use blackjack roofing sealer. I pack the post with 5/8 random aggregate and pack it in plumb up to 1 ft below ground level. Start with at least 4" of aggregate in the hole before you place the post in the hole. Cap it with concrete. You can use 8" cardboard tube for a form or you can build your own with scrap fence materials. I like to taper the slope away from the post with a 1/8 to 1/4" slope. The post hole for a 4x4 post should be at least 3 times the width of the material. My posts will outlast anything out there with just concrete

@Housebarons Жыл бұрын

Hey Richard, Thx for the detail in your comments and for watching!

@redshift6712 2 жыл бұрын

You checked the post for plumb, not level.

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Red, Thx for clarifying.

@farealwitit7947 2 жыл бұрын

prolly b better 2 mix ur concrete b4 pouring

@danp6125 3 жыл бұрын

To expensive that way. those bags really cost. you can mix and use one bag with a water mix.

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Dan, Thx for the input and thx for watching!

@unknownfreak3843 2 жыл бұрын

Are you telling me that your whole bucket of water got in the hole? It seems like it would take forever to absorb. Plus, why do you add concrete mix after and directly into the water. The ratio would not be right.

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Unknown…, Per the directions all was to their receipt. Worked great. Thx for watching!

@Digmen1 2 жыл бұрын

You did not seem to add much water

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Dig…, We followed the bag directions. This concrete will also wick moisture from the ground ( which was pretty wet) which the manufactures planned on. Thx for watching!

@adamormond9542 3 жыл бұрын

What he did was useless, the top 5 or 6 inches of that quickcrete will set and the rest underneath will stay dust. What he should of done is put in about a fifth of a bag ,wet that let set for about ten minutes ,then fill the hole about 3/4 full with water and then pour the rest of the bag in around the post while tamping or mixing with a strick or off cut.

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Adam, All I did was follow the directions on the bag.

@adamormond9542 3 жыл бұрын

That water didn't penetrate all the way down, there wasn't enough water to begin with. Dig up anyone of those posts to check there is no way they're set properly

@adamormond9542 3 жыл бұрын

Here's how you check without digging up the post, get a long masonry drill bit one that will reach the bottom of the dust. If its dust under the top layer you'll have little resistance n you go all the way to the bottom , you then get a hose n shoot water down that drill hole n do that several times around that post. If I'm wrong and you've got resistance all the way then fill the hole back in n enjoy the peace of mind.

@Fivemonthslater1 2 жыл бұрын

@@adamormond9542 it works. There is a video here where a guy used this exact concrete then pulled the post out, and it is rock solid all the way down.

@abettermind Жыл бұрын

All depends on where you're at. Wet environment (high humidity, lot of rain) dry setting works fine. Arid environment would be best to mix it up.

@johnsn10 3 жыл бұрын

Not supposed to use gravel under wood fence posts bc ground water will cause it to rot when the post isn’t fully encased in concrete

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Johnsn10, We buried a 2’ section of treated 4x4 about 15 years ago with total ground contact as a trampoline anchor. Trampoline is long gone, but the post is still there. Personally, I’m not worried about the potential exposed bottom of a post otherwise covered in concrete. Thanks for the input and thanks for watching.

@rumpstatefiasco Жыл бұрын

Excellent teacher.

@Housebarons Жыл бұрын

Hey egs…, Many thanks. And thx for watching!

@the_original_skytiger 3 жыл бұрын

lol Just use stakes to keep the post plumb and quit screwing around. What a dork. haha

@snippits75 3 жыл бұрын

Yes that's the easy way. Two wood stakes driven in ground and two furring strips attached to the stakes and post.

@tonycat721 2 жыл бұрын

Don't ever go to Germany with that tash ............lol

@RobHTech 3 жыл бұрын

The concrete is not supposed to be over the top and thus exposed to the elements. That's the top mistake people make.

@harryl8234 3 жыл бұрын

Wrong...on wood fence posts the concrete should never be below ground level. Rather, concrete should slightly above ground in a mound shape so that water can shed off and away from the wood post. If concrete is below ground level the moisture/wet soil will slowly cause the wood post to rot where it encases the concrete.

@RobHTech 3 жыл бұрын

@@harryl8234 yaya. It depends on geography/climate too. It doesn't matter if the concrete is under the soil as the water still contacts the entire concrete no matter what. The reason why people leave 4" or so at the top is so that the concrete is covered by a layer of soild that is all connected as one. So, as the temp. drops, the top soil freezes before the bottome. The theory is thus that in doing so, the frozen top soil helps to prevent freeze heaving. Do whatever you want. If you take a clear box, fill it with dirt, then dig a post hole, put a minature post hole in there, concrete it up to and over the top soil and make your artistic mound. Then, once the concrete is hardened, take your hose and start spraying away. See what happens. Does the concrete get wet?

@the_original_skytiger 3 жыл бұрын

He has no idea what he's doing. lol

@harryl8234 3 жыл бұрын

@@RobHTech the point is if the post is constantly surrounded with wet soil the post will rot sooner. Your analogy about the wet concrete is not exactly correct. The concrete if artistically shape correctly will shed water away from the post. Not saying the post won't rot, but it will be less susceptible to rot.

@RobHTech 3 жыл бұрын

@@harryl8234 i agree with that. If talking about wood posts, then sure, it probably helps by slowing down the stream of water. Kind of how windows have a lip on the outside top and sometimes bottom: as the water slides down the house to the window, the water hits the lip which projects it off and away from the window. But for chain link, not sure it really matters. In any case, they all have a life expectancy.

@obrapro Жыл бұрын

Wear a mask when working with cement. Being upwind is a fool's direction.

@brandonvandine1695 2 жыл бұрын

Get a professional is my suggestion I don't understand any of this stuff I'm beyond not handy

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Brandon, Not a bad way to go if you have the money and know a pro you can trust. Otherwise DIY Is 80 % education and 20% practice/ experience. Thx for watching!

@tcbridges 3 жыл бұрын

You dont know what your doing.

@stevee7774 2 жыл бұрын

You don’t know how to spell you’re.

@tcbridges 2 жыл бұрын

@@stevee7774 Here I corrected it for you !!

@darrenbeabers7252 2 жыл бұрын

Never set wooden posts in concrete.....NEVER!!!! THEY WILL ROT QUICKLY!!!!!

@Housebarons 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Darren, So far, so good. The posts are treated. Thx for watching!

@Bensandoval901 3 жыл бұрын

Who told you that was a right way to do it? That is such a lazy way to do it man

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Benjamin, The manufacturer of the concrete mix made it for be used exactly the way we did it. Thx for watching.

@gregtaylor8327 3 жыл бұрын

@@Housebarons Thats exactly right mate. The directions on the bag explain exactly how to do it the lazy way.

@biggerthebetter 3 жыл бұрын

In all my years as a timber fence builder you makes these videos so backwards.and it makes me laugh. Tell me this. If you are digging your holes 600mill deep by 200mill wide. You put your post in the hole poor dry concrete in it and add water. So my question is .by the video I just saw. How does the water get to the bottom of the hole with all that dry concrete filled to the top of the hole. If your concrete is not totally wet and only 100 to 200mill of water you put in.its doesn't secure the post to the hole . Not very smart.

@Housebarons 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Barry, This seems to be a common misconception. You may want to check with the quikrete company. We were just following their directions. They actually make a concrete for this purpose. Thx for watching!

@biggerthebetter 3 жыл бұрын

@@Housebarons if you are a timber fence builder you should know dont blame the tools you are using. It's called commonsence. That you lack in

@self2self9 3 жыл бұрын

@@biggerthebetter and any craftsman worth their salt knows to use the right tools for the right job. As he said already, the concrete mix is designed to be used without the need for pre-mixing and is intended for lighter applications like fence posts. Quikrete’s fast-set mix also has the same strength rating as their general use mix at 4000psi. Sure, pre-mixing is more reliable but it is also far more time consuming and labor intensive. You wouldn’t use it for foundation work but again, right tools for the right job. Unless this guy’s fence is getting hit by a tornado or stampeded by a herd of cattle I doubt these posts are going anywhere for a while. Not sure what you’re so caught up on.

@biggerthebetter 3 жыл бұрын

@@self2self9 Intended for light applications. Do you have any idea how much weight there is on a fence post when building a timber fence. Rails and palings. If the post is not secure into the ground from top to bottom of concrete or cement and not dry but totally wet and mixed well.then any storm will blow it over. So use your tools and your common-sense.

@self2self9 3 жыл бұрын

@@biggerthebetter LightER applications. A fence is far lighter than most other projects that concrete is intended and required to be used for. I understand your concern and I was skeptical when first using it but after multiple experiences with it it’s a lot more reliable that you may think. Two points I’d like to make on the mix being dry: 1. The concrete is designed so that the water is able to thoroughly wet the entire mix and avoid the very scenario you’re talking about. Spending just a couple minutes stirring/poking it with a piece of rebar or something ensures that even further. 2. Have you ever seen what happens to a bag of concrete that’s been left in a garage or shop for too long? It’ll harden like a rock from just the moisture in the air around it. Dirt and soil contains much more water in it than air so on the off chance the bottom stays dry during the pour there’s plenty of water in the ground for the mix to absorb and set in a relatively short amount of time. Again, I understand your concern, but if that fence was planned and built properly then I am fairly certain a storm wouldn’t come close to knocking it over. It may damage parts of the fence but so would a baseball bat. It would take some extreme weather conditions to rip those posts out. If the guy does live in an area where such events do take place then there are far more precautions to take but this doesn’t appear to be the case.